<html><body style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><div>Hello,</div><div><br /></div><div>Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again</div><div><br /></div><div>The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work.</div><div><br /></div><div>I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options?</div><div><br /></div><div>This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab</div><div><br /></div><div>OR</div><div><br /></div><div>You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL_return function like what exists at present</div><div><br /></div><div>I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas">https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas</a> exists as well</div><div><br /></div><div>Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too</div><div><br /></div><div>REMEMBER</div><div><br /></div><div>if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well</div><div><br /></div><div>Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :)</div> <br />Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com<div>Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality</div><br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "For Xerte technical developers" <xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>"For Xerte technical developers" <xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<br /><br /><br />
There are some subtle differences:<br /><br />
Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you
need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is
generated from the modules/<framework> php code. So... only
xerte LO's would get that option.<br /><br />
And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but
the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is
inquired to see which engine to use.<br /><br />
I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely
together.<br /><br />
As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever
you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the
'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and
perhaps export_site.php should move to a folder modules/site and be
called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php.<br /><br />
Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root'
preview.php... and even peer.php<br /><br />
Right Pat?<br /><br />
I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test.
Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. <br /><br />
If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how
this works.<br /><br />
Tom<br /><br /><br /><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney
schreef:<br /></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then
I'll mangle</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mangle away… this obviously has links to
the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed
earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here’s
where I thought we’d got to:</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The user would select the delivery option
from the properties panel;</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Different URLs would provide access to the
content – so the flash / html URLs would actually be available</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Principle: authors test and check rather
than auto-conversion</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The setting in the properties panel would
drive the URLs in the various feeds etc</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Principle: existing links continue to work
</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php
page in place as it’s not only Ron who is already putting
content ‘live’ this way</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We need to accommodate the site template as
well (which I’m going to have to rename for political reasons
here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?)</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is there anything else? If we have a good
list, we’ll only have to do the work once…</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up,</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julian</p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.acuk</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Pat @ Pgogy<br /><b>Sent:</b> 10 April 2013 12:13<br /><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I didn't make the changes last time (as
sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd
agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to
waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff.</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I felt xenith was important and so I
didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes.</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">You could place a header redirect in
playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old
links could be maintained - albeit as a work round.</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p> </p><p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff,
then I'll mangle<br /><br />
Pgogy Webstuff - <a href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Makers of web things of a fair to
middling quality</p><p></p><p></p>
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On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:</p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">Is
there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the
existing stuff in place so things don’t break, but build
a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff
much better? When I put the site template in it was
obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having
to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and
having to modify other files in the root folder is also
not so plug and play: there is specific (if
(thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in
there, which shouldn’t be there really.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">We
wanted to put a new zip out on 26<sup>th</sup> April, a
tentative deadline. I don’t mind waiting a few more
weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that
it can be installed in places before the summer – so
those who want to build materials for next year can use
it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far
as I’d want to wait I think.</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;">What
do others think?</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, 'sans-serif';color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:xerte@pgogywebstuff.com">xerte@pgogywebstuff.com</a><br /><b>Sent:</b> 10 April 2013 11:19<br /><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">True,
and happy to shut up</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">But
I first raised this in November - <a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html">http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html</a> -
but it didn't go anywhere</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#e4e4e4;"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">From:</span></b></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#e4e4e4;"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">"For
Xerte technical developers" <<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>></span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">To:</span></b></p><p></p><p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">"For
Xerte technical developers" <<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>></span></p><p></p><p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">Cc:</span></b></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';"> </span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">Sent:</span></b></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">Wed,
10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">Subject:</span></b></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica, 'sans-serif';">[Xerte-dev]
Re: Modules and htaccess<br /><br /><br />
Always we seem to hit something fundamental right
before we're due to finish the work. There is a
degree of frustration here with two things:<br /><br />
- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has
worked through it once with Pat to get the html5
links working, and I have worked through it with Pat
to get the site template working. Now we want to do
it differently?<br />
- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well,
that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always
intended as a way of beta testing the templates,
rather than anything else.<br /><br />
At this stage of things, I think we should go with
what we have, and Tom's database solution solution,
and get this phase of work done, and then address it
later when we have a new cycle underway. I
appreciate the issues, but there is no point in
getting hung about functionality that no one is
using yet (modularity), at the expense of
functionality that everyone wants to use (html5
delivery). <br /><br />
-----Original Message-----<br />
From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell<br />
Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15<br />
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'<br />
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<br /><br />
For me the basic principal must be whatever we want
to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break
existing links or require people to duplicate or
re-write any code to maintain that compatibility.
The vast majority will not have the time, skills or
inclination to do that. So...<br /><br />
/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including
the embed code links should continue to play
existing LO's via Flash likewise<br />
/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123
should continue to work even if that's no longer the
default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.<br /><br />
I can see the point about not referring to html5 and
keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see
a problem with changes like this or the new defaults
being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as
long as existing links aren't broken. But what would
be the Apache/htaccess version of that? <br /><br />
Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and
individuals have shared many links to LO's they have
made public with the community, with their learners,
with colleagues and this includes sharing of the
play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what
we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we
shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid
it.<br /><br />
HTH<br />
Ron<br /><br />
-----Original Message-----<br />
From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Smith, John<br />
Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25<br />
To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br />
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<br /><br />
Howdy<br /><br />
I personally think you need to run everything
through the same page, with parameters Its the only
way you can prevent worsening the situation 12
months down the line where we have many deployed
play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to
deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite
that page to your main play.php page with
method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file
as play_html5 if they must.<br /><br />
Begs the question - should we drop references to
html5 and just call it html - what happens if they
release html6 in a few years?<br /><br />
Regards<br /><br />
John Smith<br />
Learning Technologist<br />
School of Health and Life Sciences<br /><br />
Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII<br /><br /><br /><br />
"Pat @ Pgogy" <<a href="mailto:xerte@pgogywebstuff.com">xerte@pgogywebstuff.com</a>>
wrote:<br /><br /><br />
Could we use the following URL structure?<br /><br />
Can the play URL be<br /><br />
Play.php?template_id=560<br />
And<br />
Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML<br /><br />
And not playhtml.php?<br /><br />
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