<div>What I was thinking requires to things to be available</div><div><br></div><div>1. A url within the wiki that takes you to a specific page (which appears possible from the link you have provided)</div><div>2. A means in Xerte / XOT to link to that specific page (e.g. in the way I was using the info tag to link to a specific page)</div>
<div><br></div><div>There are two issues at present with using the info tag</div><div>a) It can result in some of the xwd fields failing to be displayed</div><div>b) It is only available to the Author after they have added the page type, since the link is from the xwd form.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I was thinking that as the wiki expands any contents page that listed all the pages could get very long. So for an author a way of going directly from Xerte / XOT to a specific page type's wiki entry could be very user friendly and helpful.</div>
<div><br></div><div>At present I think we may have a generic help link that could take you to the wiki home page, or we can use the info tag with its current drawbacks.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br>
</div><div>Johnathan</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 March 2013 17:47, Tom Reijnders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl" target="_blank">reijnders@tor.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    You can, that's no problem at all:<br>
    <br>
    <a href="http://www.xerte.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Template_walkthrough" target="_blank">http://www.xerte.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Template_walkthrough</a><br>
    <br>
    Tom<br>
    <br>
    <div>Op 10-3-2013 18:10, Kemp Johnathan
      schreef:<br>
    </div><div><div class="h5">
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      <div>It would be nice if there was a way of accessing the wiki
        page about a specific Xerte / XOT page type, perhaps before
        having added that page type to your project. This could then
        help both with selecting the page type to use as well as
        assisting the author in the using  of that page.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>This is in contrast to just having a generic link to the wiki
        home page.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Kind regards</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Johnathan</div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On 8 March 2013 13:55, Smith, John <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A
                  wiki…</span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards,</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">John
                      Smith</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Learning
                      Technologist</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">School
                      of Health & Life Sciences</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Glasgow
                      Caledonian University</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
              </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                      <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                      [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 08, 2013 1:48 PM</span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div><br>
                      <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: use of info tag in
                      xwd forms</div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">I don’t much like the idea of
                      separate files (pdfs / docs etc) I think it would
                      be better as a central resource on a web site,
                      maybe the community site?</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                        [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 06 March 2013 18:57<br>
                        <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: use of info tag
                        in xwd forms</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I suppose one alternative would be
                        to set up a wiki, but I am not sure this is the
                        best approach for help documents.</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">One thought that has just sprung to
                        mind - what about using an ebook editor? I know
                        next to nothing about them but it would seem a
                        possibly logical platform to publish to. I am
                        not sure if this would be the right approach if
                        we only want to create a set of individual files
                        that are each a single publication?</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I did a quick google and found an
                        open source wysiwyg editor called sigil. It
                        looks quite powerful, but it appears designed to
                        pull together large numbers of separate files
                        into a single document.</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I don't know if there is anyone on
                        the list who is familiar with this stuff and
                        could pass a more informed opinion?</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I have to admit, the one thing that
                        concerns me with using Open Office is that
                        someone will go and open up the file in Word and
                        bugger up its formatting :-(</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">What concerns me about not using
                        Open Office is the possible lack of a familiar,
                        versatile, and easy to use interface for
                        creating the documents.</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">JK</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">On 6 March 2013 18:25, Dave Burnett
                        <<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:</span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Just my personal preference.</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Static documents usually lead
                              to version control nightmares.</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">I
                              still believe in the Java "write once,
                              deliver everywhere" fantasy.</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">;-)</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        </div>
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                          <div style="margin-left:.5in">
                            <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span lang="EN-GB">
                                <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center">
                              </span></div>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013
                              18:20:51 +0000<br>
                              From: <a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a><br>
                              To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
                                <span lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                  Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: use of info
                                  tag in xwd forms</span></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#3333ff" lang="EN-GB">Advantage
                                    of pdf?
                                  </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">A single file that
                                    contains text and graphics and will
                                    maintain its format when printed out
                                    (some people still like to print
                                    things out).</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">My approach so far has
                                    been to author the files in Open
                                    Office which will export to pdf.
                                    This provides a master file (the
                                    Open Office odt) file that is
                                    editable, and the pdf export of the
                                    odt file that can be published for
                                    Author usage.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">So whilst at present
                                    the file the Author uses is pdf,
                                    this is generated from a single,
                                    easily edited odt file. Open Office
                                    is free, open source, and available
                                    in many languages.
                                  </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I agree with the idea
                                    of allowing those with svn access to
                                    edit the help files. The current
                                    approach fully facilitates that.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Folks with svn access
                                    can edit (or make a copy and
                                    translate) the odt file and then
                                    generate a new pdf file for
                                    publication.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I am not sure of the
                                    benefit of trying to edit the help
                                    documents in a Xerte app. Why try to
                                    create a cut down word processor in
                                    Xerte, if there is already a fully
                                    featured one available for free?</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">The only downside I see
                                    is that each help file consists of
                                    two files (rather than one) - the
                                    odt source file and the published
                                    public accessed pdf file. But this
                                    has upsides as well. The odt help
                                    file can be edited without affecting
                                    the published pdf file, which can be
                                    re-published once the editing /
                                    updating is completed.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Just my take on things</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Johnathan</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">On 6 March 2013 12:35,
                                    Dave Burnett <<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:</span></p>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Advantage of pdf?</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I would bet we
                                          get a lot more contribution if
                                          it's dynamic.</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Maybe something
                                          editable in a Xerte app?</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Folks with svn
                                          access can edit?</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
                                      <span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">> From: <a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">
                                            J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a><br>
                                          > To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
                                          > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013
                                          12:09:21 +0000</span></p>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                              > Subject: [Xerte-dev]
                                              Re: use of info tag in xwd
                                              forms<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Sure Tom, I suppose
                                              an alternative would be to
                                              funnel everything through
                                              help/index.php?language=XX&file=YYY
                                              and let it decide which to
                                              serve up...<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > I'm having to do
                                              similar with the api...<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Regards,<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > John Smith<br>
                                              > Learning Technologist<br>
                                              > School of Health
                                              & Life Sciences<br>
                                              > Glasgow Caledonian
                                              University<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > -----Original
                                              Message-----<br>
                                              > From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">
xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                                              On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders<br>
                                              > Sent: Wednesday,
                                              March 06, 2013 11:05 AM<br>
                                              > To: For Xerte
                                              technical developers<br>
                                              > Subject: [Xerte-dev]
                                              Re: use of info tag in xwd
                                              forms<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > It's not too much
                                              work to fall back to
                                              English if we need to,<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > So have a
                                              help/<language code>
                                              for the help forlder
                                              location like we have
                                              wizard/<language
                                              code> now.<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > The thing I have
                                              against mod_rewrites is
                                              that it's webserver
                                              specific.<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > So, now we only have
                                              to agree on the help file
                                              format. .pdf is fine with
                                              me...<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Tom<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Citeren "Smith, John"
                                              <<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>>:<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > > Why not just
                                              append the language code
                                              to the URL (new website)
                                              and mod<br>
                                              > > rewrite the url.
                                              If there is a language
                                              file that matches send
                                              that,<br>
                                              > > otherwise send
                                              the English one...<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Regards,<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > John Smith<br>
                                              > > Learning
                                              Technologist<br>
                                              > > School of Health
                                              & Life Sciences<br>
                                              > > Glasgow
                                              Caledonian University<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">
xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
                                              > > [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                                              On Behalf Of<br>
                                              > > Julian Tenney<br>
                                              > > Sent: Wednesday,
                                              March 06, 2013 10:38 AM<br>
                                              > > To: For Xerte
                                              technical developers<br>
                                              > > Subject:
                                              [Xerte-dev] Re: use of
                                              info tag in xwd forms<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > What about
                                              languages? You might want
                                              help in several languages.
                                              But<br>
                                              > > we can cope with
                                              multi lingual wizards, so
                                              why not multi lingual
                                              help?<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > The form is a
                                              bit of a pain because now
                                              we have advanced /
                                              language<br>
                                              > > options,
                                              redrawing the form is a
                                              bit of a pain, so thinking<br>
                                              > > differently
                                              might be a good idea.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > From:<br>
                                              > > <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
                                              [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                                              On Behalf Of Kemp<br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > > Sent: 06 March
                                              2013 10:02<br>
                                              > > To: For Xerte
                                              technical developers<br>
                                              > > Subject:
                                              [Xerte-dev] Re: use of
                                              info tag in xwd forms<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Hi Folks,<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > What I would
                                              like to be able to achieve
                                              is a means of providing a<br>
                                              > > link to a pdf
                                              file that the author can
                                              access to provide
                                              additional<br>
                                              > > information to
                                              support the use of the
                                              page type. My original
                                              need<br>
                                              > > was to support
                                              the connector pages and
                                              the inventory page with
                                              more<br>
                                              > > information
                                              about how the page worked
                                              and how, in the case of<br>
                                              > > connector pages
                                              they could be used in
                                              conjunction with other
                                              pages.<br>
                                              > > However the help
                                              file could provide other
                                              stuff such as examples of<br>
                                              > > use or
                                              pedagogical information.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > How that link is
                                              made available to the
                                              author I don't have a
                                              strong<br>
                                              > > view on. It just
                                              seemed that the
                                              <info> tag already
                                              provided the<br>
                                              > > functionality
                                              (except for this
                                              frustrating glitch). If
                                              resolving the<br>
                                              > > glitch was a
                                              simple matter then the
                                              <info> tag might be
                                              a convenient<br>
                                              > > way of doing
                                              this without involving
                                              much time input. If
                                              however the<br>
                                              > > glitch is
                                              difficult to pin down then
                                              a different approach might
                                              be<br>
                                              > > appropriate.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > By putting the
                                              link in the xwd file it
                                              keeps everything about the<br>
                                              > > page in one
                                              place. However it does
                                              have the disadvantage of
                                              making<br>
                                              > > it difficult to
                                              change the location of the
                                              help files.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Perhaps an
                                              approach that assumed the
                                              help file would use the
                                              same<br>
                                              > > stem as the
                                              model file but have a pdf
                                              extension (e.g. quiz.rlm
                                              and<br>
                                              > > quiz.pdf), would
                                              allow a Xerte or XOT
                                              project to define a single<br>
                                              > > folder location
                                              for all the help files.
                                              The specific help file for
                                              a<br>
                                              > > page type would
                                              then be accessed by
                                              combining the single
                                              folder<br>
                                              > > address with the
                                              model name and a pdf
                                              extension.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > This would allow
                                              help files to be either
                                              located on a remote server<br>
                                              > > or on a local
                                              server, or even in a
                                              desktop Xerte installation
                                              folder<br>
                                              > > e.g.
                                              Xerte\pages\help\. It
                                              would also make it easier
                                              to change the<br>
                                              > > locations of the
                                              help files as there would
                                              be only one path to
                                              change.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Kind regards<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > On 6 March 2013
                                              07:50, Julian Tenney<br>
                                              > > <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>><br>

                                              > > wrote:<br>
                                              > > Maybe we should
                                              tackle this differently:
                                              rather than trying to<br>
                                              > > display the
                                              <info> on the form,
                                              why not pop it up in a
                                              message or<br>
                                              > > show it
                                              somewhere else?<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > From:<br>
                                              > > <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
                                              [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>]

                                              On Behalf Of Kemp<br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > > Sent: 05 March
                                              2013 17:53<br>
                                              > > To: For Xerte
                                              technical developers<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Subject:
                                              [Xerte-dev] Re: use of
                                              info tag in xwd forms<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > The most recent
                                              version of the desktop
                                              would ensure you have the<br>
                                              > > latest version
                                              of wizard.swf, but if you
                                              can see the Show Language<br>
                                              > > Options I think
                                              that should be enough to
                                              demonstrate the issue.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > The "here is the
                                              help" text is the text
                                              contained in the info tag.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > If you click in
                                              the Show Language Options
                                              check box you will see<br>
                                              > > that some
                                              additional fields are
                                              displayed in the form but
                                              that there<br>
                                              > > is an expanse of
                                              blank grey form before the
                                              "here is the help" text<br>
                                              > > is displayed.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > If you mouse
                                              over the grey area above
                                              the "here is the help"
                                              text<br>
                                              > > you will see the
                                              mouse pointer change as it
                                              hovers over where the<br>
                                              > > text entry boxes
                                              for the hidden language
                                              options are positioned.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > If you click on
                                              the Quiz2 page to open its
                                              xwd form the effect is<br>
                                              > > clear as none of
                                              the fields are flagged as
                                              language options so as<br>
                                              > > soon as the form
                                              opens you see that the
                                              display of labels and
                                              fields<br>
                                              > > ends abruptly
                                              and then there is again
                                              the grey expanse of blank
                                              form<br>
                                              > > before the "here
                                              is the help" text is
                                              displayed. You have
                                              noticed,<br>
                                              > > in your second
                                              post that the entry below
                                              "single answer wrong" is<br>
                                              > > cut short
                                              vertically. There are also
                                              more fields below this
                                              which<br>
                                              > > are not
                                              displaying at all.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > If you edit the
                                              quiz.xwd file in the
                                              page002 folder to remove
                                              the<br>
                                              > > "info" tag then
                                              all the fields defined in
                                              the form are displayed<br>
                                              > > correctly. So it
                                              is the "info" tag that is
                                              causing the display issue.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Kind regards<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > On 5 March 2013
                                              10:43, Dave Burnett<br>
                                              > > <<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a>>>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              > > What version of
                                              desktop is required?<br>
                                              > > The only
                                              language related object I
                                              have showing is "Show
                                              Language<br>
                                              > > Options" in the
                                              bottom bar.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > (I do see "Here
                                              is the help" in blue near
                                              the bottom).<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > >
                                              ________________________________<br>
                                              > > Date: Tue, 5 Mar
                                              2013 10:23:23 +0000<br>
                                              > > From: <a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a>><br>

                                              > > To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br>

                                              > > Subject:
                                              [Xerte-dev] Re: use of
                                              info tag in xwd forms<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > If you include
                                              the info tag in an xwd
                                              form it can result in the
                                              none<br>
                                              > > display of the
                                              last entries in the form.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > The info tag
                                              displays at the bottom of
                                              the form with a blank area
                                              of<br>
                                              > > form above it
                                              where the missing fields
                                              and field labels should be<br>
                                              > > displayed.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > If you move the
                                              mouse pointer over the
                                              blank area of the form
                                              then<br>
                                              > > the mouse
                                              pointer will change
                                              indicating that the fields
                                              are there -<br>
                                              > > you just can't
                                              see them.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > The easiest way
                                              to explain what is
                                              happening is for you to
                                              see it<br>
                                              > > for yourself.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > I have attached
                                              a simple demo. The demo is
                                              a standard Xerte project<br>
                                              > > (not a "Pages"
                                              type project - I have
                                              manually set up the xwd
                                              links<br>
                                              > > for the pages)
                                              in which I have set up two
                                              copies of the Quiz page.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > 1. Open this
                                              project in Xerte<br>
                                              > > 2. Double click
                                              on the Quiz page to open
                                              the xwd form<br>
                                              > > 3. Click on the
                                              language tab to display
                                              the language fields<br>
                                              > > 4. Scroll down
                                              the form - you will see
                                              the blank area where the<br>
                                              > > hidden language
                                              fields should appear and
                                              the blue info comment at<br>
                                              > > the bottom.<br>
                                              > > 5. The language
                                              tag is not significant to
                                              this issue.<br>
                                              > > 6. Double click
                                              on the Quiz2 page, you
                                              will see the same effect<br>
                                              > > without the use
                                              of the language tag (I
                                              deleted them from this
                                              pages<br>
                                              > > xwd file)<br>
                                              > > I don't know if
                                              the cause is to do with
                                              layers or visibility<br>
                                              > > settings. I
                                              don't know what happens
                                              when the info tag is
                                              actioned in<br>
                                              > > the code.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > I hope this
                                              makes the effect clear (if
                                              not the cause :-( )<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Kind regards<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > On 5 March 2013
                                              09:40, Julian Tenney<br>
                                              > > <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>><br>

                                              > > wrote:<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > What's the
                                              problem in a nutshell?<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > From:<br>
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                                              On Behalf Of Kemp<br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > > Sent: 04 March
                                              2013 22:18<br>
                                              > > To: Xerte
                                              Developers Discussion List<br>
                                              > > Subject:
                                              [Xerte-dev] use of info
                                              tag in xwd forms<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > On the 4th
                                              December I posted to the
                                              developer list an issue
                                              with the<br>
                                              > > xwd forms
                                              relating to the use of the
                                              "info" tag.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > The inclusion of
                                              an info tag in the xwd
                                              form can result in space<br>
                                              > > being allocated
                                              above the info tag for the
                                              display of the last few<br>
                                              > > properties in
                                              the xwd form definition,
                                              but the properties are not<br>
                                              > > visible in the
                                              form. You can however
                                              confirm their "presence"
                                              as the<br>
                                              > > mouse pointer
                                              responds to them if moved
                                              over the input fields.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > You can test
                                              this out in Xerte (or XOT)
                                              by creating a page using
                                              one<br>
                                              > > of the Connector
                                              page types. The info tag
                                              has been used in these<br>
                                              > > pages to link to
                                              a pdf help file that is
                                              hosted on the Xerte<br>
                                              > > community web
                                              site, but the "language"
                                              flagged form properties
                                              are<br>
                                              > > no longer all
                                              editable, due to the
                                              presence of the info tag.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > This is a pity
                                              as the info tag could be
                                              used to provide a link to
                                              an<br>
                                              > > external
                                              document that gives the
                                              Author useful additional<br>
                                              > > information to
                                              assist them in making the
                                              best use of that page
                                              type.<br>
                                              > > e.g.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > * Information
                                              about what the page is
                                              designed to do<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > * Instructions
                                              on what the properties in
                                              the form are to<br>
                                              > > help in
                                              completing the form
                                              created by the xwd file;<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > * examples of
                                              actual uses of that page
                                              type in real projects.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > * examples of
                                              combining this page type
                                              with other page types<br>
                                              > > to achieve a
                                              particular pedagogical
                                              approach<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > * guidance as to
                                              how accessible the page is
                                              with respect to<br>
                                              > > particular types
                                              of user, or what features
                                              the page has as optional<br>
                                              > > properties to
                                              provide additional
                                              accessibility<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > However at
                                              present if the "info" tag
                                              is used then the ability
                                              to<br>
                                              > > edit the
                                              language flagged elements
                                              of the page is
                                              compromised.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Is this
                                              something that is intended
                                              to be addressed before the
                                              next<br>
                                              > > release of Xerte
                                              / XOT?<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Sorry to be a
                                              nuisance, but it seems
                                              such a potentially useful<br>
                                              > > feature it seems
                                              a shame not to be able to
                                              use it.<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Kind regards<br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > ><br>
                                              > > Johnathan<br>
                                              > ><br>
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                                              > ><br>
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                                              > ><br>
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Tom Reijnders
TOR Informatica
Chopinlaan 27
5242HM Rosmalen
Tel: 073 5226191
Fax: 073 5226196

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