<html><head/><body><html><head></head><body>We could use the info tag to provide a one line help, including a link to a wiki page AND we could provide for the same link to the wiki page from the thumbnail area.<br>
<br>
We could even automate it. We have a fixed wiki. (Community website), and a fixed link (page name).<br>
<br>
<br>
Tom<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Kemp Johnathan <johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com> schreef:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>What I was thinking requires to things to be available</div><div><br /></div><div>1. A url within the wiki that takes you to a specific page (which appears possible from the link you have provided)</div><div>2. A means in Xerte / XOT to link to that specific page (e.g. in the way I was using the info tag to link to a specific page)</div>
<div><br /></div><div>There are two issues at present with using the info tag</div><div>a) It can result in some of the xwd fields failing to be displayed</div><div>b) It is only available to the Author after they have added the page type, since the link is from the xwd form.</div>
<div><br /></div><div>I was thinking that as the wiki expands any contents page that listed all the pages could get very long. So for an author a way of going directly from Xerte / XOT to a specific page type's wiki entry could be very user friendly and helpful.</div>
<div><br /></div><div>At present I think we may have a generic help link that could take you to the wiki home page, or we can use the info tag with its current drawbacks.</div><div><br /></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br />
</div><div>Johnathan</div><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 March 2013 17:47, Tom Reijnders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl" target="_blank">reijnders@tor.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
You can, that's no problem at all:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.xerte.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Template_walkthrough" target="_blank">http://www.xerte.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Template_walkthrough</a><br />
<br />
Tom<br />
<br />
<div>Op 10-3-2013 18:10, Kemp Johnathan
schreef:<br />
</div><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>It would be nice if there was a way of accessing the wiki
page about a specific Xerte / XOT page type, perhaps before
having added that page type to your project. This could then
help both with selecting the page type to use as well as
assisting the author in the using of that page.</div>
<div><br />
</div>
<div>This is in contrast to just having a generic link to the wiki
home page.</div>
<div><br />
</div>
<div>Kind regards</div>
<div><br />
</div>
<div>Johnathan</div>
<br />
<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 March 2013 13:55, Smith, John <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>></span>
wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">A
wiki…</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">John
Smith</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Learning
Technologist</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">School
of Health & Life Sciences</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Glasgow
Caledonian University</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 08, 2013 1:48 PM</span></p>
<div>
<div><br />
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br />
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: use of info tag in
xwd forms</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">I don’t much like the idea of
separate files (pdfs / docs etc) I think it would
be better as a central resource on a web site,
maybe the community site?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br />
<b>Sent:</b> 06 March 2013 18:57<br />
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br />
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: use of info tag
in xwd forms</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I suppose one alternative would be
to set up a wiki, but I am not sure this is the
best approach for help documents.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">One thought that has just sprung to
mind - what about using an ebook editor? I know
next to nothing about them but it would seem a
possibly logical platform to publish to. I am
not sure if this would be the right approach if
we only want to create a set of individual files
that are each a single publication?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I did a quick google and found an
open source wysiwyg editor called sigil. It
looks quite powerful, but it appears designed to
pull together large numbers of separate files
into a single document.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I don't know if there is anyone on
the list who is familiar with this stuff and
could pass a more informed opinion?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I have to admit, the one thing that
concerns me with using Open Office is that
someone will go and open up the file in Word and
bugger up its formatting :-(</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">What concerns me about not using
Open Office is the possible lack of a familiar,
versatile, and easy to use interface for
creating the documents.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">JK</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">On 6 March 2013 18:25, Dave Burnett
<<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Just my personal preference.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Static documents usually lead
to version control nightmares.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">I
still believe in the Java "write once,
deliver everywhere" fantasy.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">;-)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin-left:.5in">
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span lang="EN-GB">
<hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" />
</span></div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013
18:20:51 +0000<br />
From: <a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a><br />
To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span lang="EN-GB"><br />
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: use of info
tag in xwd forms</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#3333ff" lang="EN-GB">Advantage
of pdf?
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">A single file that
contains text and graphics and will
maintain its format when printed out
(some people still like to print
things out).</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">My approach so far has
been to author the files in Open
Office which will export to pdf.
This provides a master file (the
Open Office odt) file that is
editable, and the pdf export of the
odt file that can be published for
Author usage.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">So whilst at present
the file the Author uses is pdf,
this is generated from a single,
easily edited odt file. Open Office
is free, open source, and available
in many languages.
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I agree with the idea
of allowing those with svn access to
edit the help files. The current
approach fully facilitates that.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Folks with svn access
can edit (or make a copy and
translate) the odt file and then
generate a new pdf file for
publication.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I am not sure of the
benefit of trying to edit the help
documents in a Xerte app. Why try to
create a cut down word processor in
Xerte, if there is already a fully
featured one available for free?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">The only downside I see
is that each help file consists of
two files (rather than one) - the
odt source file and the published
public accessed pdf file. But this
has upsides as well. The odt help
file can be edited without affecting
the published pdf file, which can be
re-published once the editing /
updating is completed.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Just my take on things</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Johnathan</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">On 6 March 2013 12:35,
Dave Burnett <<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Advantage of pdf?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">I would bet we
get a lot more contribution if
it's dynamic.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Maybe something
editable in a Xerte app?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">Folks with svn
access can edit?</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB">> From: <a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">
J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a><br />
> To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br />
> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013
12:09:21 +0000</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB"><br />
> Subject: [Xerte-dev]
Re: use of info tag in xwd
forms<br />
> <br />
> Sure Tom, I suppose
an alternative would be to
funnel everything through
help/index.php?language=XX&file=YYY
and let it decide which to
serve up...<br />
> <br />
> I'm having to do
similar with the api...<br />
> <br />
> Regards,<br />
> <br />
> John Smith<br />
> Learning Technologist<br />
> School of Health
& Life Sciences<br />
> Glasgow Caledonian
University<br />
> <br />
> <br />
> -----Original
Message-----<br />
> From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">
xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders<br />
> Sent: Wednesday,
March 06, 2013 11:05 AM<br />
> To: For Xerte
technical developers<br />
> Subject: [Xerte-dev]
Re: use of info tag in xwd
forms<br />
> <br />
> It's not too much
work to fall back to
English if we need to,<br />
> <br />
> So have a
help/<language code>
for the help forlder
location like we have
wizard/<language
code> now.<br />
> <br />
> <br />
> The thing I have
against mod_rewrites is
that it's webserver
specific.<br />
> <br />
> So, now we only have
to agree on the help file
format. .pdf is fine with
me...<br />
> <br />
> Tom<br />
> <br />
> Citeren "Smith, John"
<<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>>:<br />
> <br />
> > Why not just
append the language code
to the URL (new website)
and mod<br />
> > rewrite the url.
If there is a language
file that matches send
that,<br />
> > otherwise send
the English one...<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > Regards,<br />
> ><br />
> > John Smith<br />
> > Learning
Technologist<br />
> > School of Health
& Life Sciences<br />
> > Glasgow
Caledonian University<br />
> ><br />
> > From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">
xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br />
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of<br />
> > Julian Tenney<br />
> > Sent: Wednesday,
March 06, 2013 10:38 AM<br />
> > To: For Xerte
technical developers<br />
> > Subject:
[Xerte-dev] Re: use of
info tag in xwd forms<br />
> ><br />
> > What about
languages? You might want
help in several languages.
But<br />
> > we can cope with
multi lingual wizards, so
why not multi lingual
help?<br />
> ><br />
> > The form is a
bit of a pain because now
we have advanced /
language<br />
> > options,
redrawing the form is a
bit of a pain, so thinking<br />
> > differently
might be a good idea.<br />
> ><br />
> > From:<br />
> > <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Kemp<br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> > Sent: 06 March
2013 10:02<br />
> > To: For Xerte
technical developers<br />
> > Subject:
[Xerte-dev] Re: use of
info tag in xwd forms<br />
> ><br />
> > Hi Folks,<br />
> ><br />
> > What I would
like to be able to achieve
is a means of providing a<br />
> > link to a pdf
file that the author can
access to provide
additional<br />
> > information to
support the use of the
page type. My original
need<br />
> > was to support
the connector pages and
the inventory page with
more<br />
> > information
about how the page worked
and how, in the case of<br />
> > connector pages
they could be used in
conjunction with other
pages.<br />
> > However the help
file could provide other
stuff such as examples of<br />
> > use or
pedagogical information.<br />
> ><br />
> > How that link is
made available to the
author I don't have a
strong<br />
> > view on. It just
seemed that the
<info> tag already
provided the<br />
> > functionality
(except for this
frustrating glitch). If
resolving the<br />
> > glitch was a
simple matter then the
<info> tag might be
a convenient<br />
> > way of doing
this without involving
much time input. If
however the<br />
> > glitch is
difficult to pin down then
a different approach might
be<br />
> > appropriate.<br />
> ><br />
> > By putting the
link in the xwd file it
keeps everything about the<br />
> > page in one
place. However it does
have the disadvantage of
making<br />
> > it difficult to
change the location of the
help files.<br />
> ><br />
> > Perhaps an
approach that assumed the
help file would use the
same<br />
> > stem as the
model file but have a pdf
extension (e.g. quiz.rlm
and<br />
> > quiz.pdf), would
allow a Xerte or XOT
project to define a single<br />
> > folder location
for all the help files.
The specific help file for
a<br />
> > page type would
then be accessed by
combining the single
folder<br />
> > address with the
model name and a pdf
extension.<br />
> ><br />
> > This would allow
help files to be either
located on a remote server<br />
> > or on a local
server, or even in a
desktop Xerte installation
folder<br />
> > e.g.
Xerte\pages\help\. It
would also make it easier
to change the<br />
> > locations of the
help files as there would
be only one path to
change.<br />
> ><br />
> > Kind regards<br />
> ><br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> ><br />
> > On 6 March 2013
07:50, Julian Tenney<br />
> > <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>><br />
> > wrote:<br />
> > Maybe we should
tackle this differently:
rather than trying to<br />
> > display the
<info> on the form,
why not pop it up in a
message or<br />
> > show it
somewhere else?<br />
> ><br />
> > From:<br />
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On Behalf Of Kemp<br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> > Sent: 05 March
2013 17:53<br />
> > To: For Xerte
technical developers<br />
> ><br />
> > Subject:
[Xerte-dev] Re: use of
info tag in xwd forms<br />
> ><br />
> > The most recent
version of the desktop
would ensure you have the<br />
> > latest version
of wizard.swf, but if you
can see the Show Language<br />
> > Options I think
that should be enough to
demonstrate the issue.<br />
> ><br />
> > The "here is the
help" text is the text
contained in the info tag.<br />
> ><br />
> > If you click in
the Show Language Options
check box you will see<br />
> > that some
additional fields are
displayed in the form but
that there<br />
> > is an expanse of
blank grey form before the
"here is the help" text<br />
> > is displayed.<br />
> ><br />
> > If you mouse
over the grey area above
the "here is the help"
text<br />
> > you will see the
mouse pointer change as it
hovers over where the<br />
> > text entry boxes
for the hidden language
options are positioned.<br />
> ><br />
> > If you click on
the Quiz2 page to open its
xwd form the effect is<br />
> > clear as none of
the fields are flagged as
language options so as<br />
> > soon as the form
opens you see that the
display of labels and
fields<br />
> > ends abruptly
and then there is again
the grey expanse of blank
form<br />
> > before the "here
is the help" text is
displayed. You have
noticed,<br />
> > in your second
post that the entry below
"single answer wrong" is<br />
> > cut short
vertically. There are also
more fields below this
which<br />
> > are not
displaying at all.<br />
> ><br />
> > If you edit the
quiz.xwd file in the
page002 folder to remove
the<br />
> > "info" tag then
all the fields defined in
the form are displayed<br />
> > correctly. So it
is the "info" tag that is
causing the display issue.<br />
> ><br />
> > Kind regards<br />
> ><br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> ><br />
> > On 5 March 2013
10:43, Dave Burnett<br />
> > <<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:d_b_burnett@hotmail.com" target="_blank">d_b_burnett@hotmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br />
> > What version of
desktop is required?<br />
> > The only
language related object I
have showing is "Show
Language<br />
> > Options" in the
bottom bar.<br />
> ><br />
> > (I do see "Here
is the help" in blue near
the bottom).<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> >
________________________________<br />
> > Date: Tue, 5 Mar
2013 10:23:23 +0000<br />
> > From: <a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a>><br />
> > To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br />
> > Subject:
[Xerte-dev] Re: use of
info tag in xwd forms<br />
> ><br />
> > If you include
the info tag in an xwd
form it can result in the
none<br />
> > display of the
last entries in the form.<br />
> ><br />
> > The info tag
displays at the bottom of
the form with a blank area
of<br />
> > form above it
where the missing fields
and field labels should be<br />
> > displayed.<br />
> ><br />
> > If you move the
mouse pointer over the
blank area of the form
then<br />
> > the mouse
pointer will change
indicating that the fields
are there -<br />
> > you just can't
see them.<br />
> ><br />
> > The easiest way
to explain what is
happening is for you to
see it<br />
> > for yourself.<br />
> ><br />
> > I have attached
a simple demo. The demo is
a standard Xerte project<br />
> > (not a "Pages"
type project - I have
manually set up the xwd
links<br />
> > for the pages)
in which I have set up two
copies of the Quiz page.<br />
> ><br />
> > 1. Open this
project in Xerte<br />
> > 2. Double click
on the Quiz page to open
the xwd form<br />
> > 3. Click on the
language tab to display
the language fields<br />
> > 4. Scroll down
the form - you will see
the blank area where the<br />
> > hidden language
fields should appear and
the blue info comment at<br />
> > the bottom.<br />
> > 5. The language
tag is not significant to
this issue.<br />
> > 6. Double click
on the Quiz2 page, you
will see the same effect<br />
> > without the use
of the language tag (I
deleted them from this
pages<br />
> > xwd file)<br />
> > I don't know if
the cause is to do with
layers or visibility<br />
> > settings. I
don't know what happens
when the info tag is
actioned in<br />
> > the code.<br />
> ><br />
> > I hope this
makes the effect clear (if
not the cause :-( )<br />
> ><br />
> > Kind regards<br />
> ><br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > On 5 March 2013
09:40, Julian Tenney<br />
> > <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>><br />
> > wrote:<br />
> ><br />
> > What's the
problem in a nutshell?<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > From:<br />
> > <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
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On Behalf Of Kemp<br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> > Sent: 04 March
2013 22:18<br />
> > To: Xerte
Developers Discussion List<br />
> > Subject:
[Xerte-dev] use of info
tag in xwd forms<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > On the 4th
December I posted to the
developer list an issue
with the<br />
> > xwd forms
relating to the use of the
"info" tag.<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > The inclusion of
an info tag in the xwd
form can result in space<br />
> > being allocated
above the info tag for the
display of the last few<br />
> > properties in
the xwd form definition,
but the properties are not<br />
> > visible in the
form. You can however
confirm their "presence"
as the<br />
> > mouse pointer
responds to them if moved
over the input fields.<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > You can test
this out in Xerte (or XOT)
by creating a page using
one<br />
> > of the Connector
page types. The info tag
has been used in these<br />
> > pages to link to
a pdf help file that is
hosted on the Xerte<br />
> > community web
site, but the "language"
flagged form properties
are<br />
> > no longer all
editable, due to the
presence of the info tag.<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > This is a pity
as the info tag could be
used to provide a link to
an<br />
> > external
document that gives the
Author useful additional<br />
> > information to
assist them in making the
best use of that page
type.<br />
> > e.g.<br />
> ><br />
> > * Information
about what the page is
designed to do<br />
> ><br />
> > * Instructions
on what the properties in
the form are to<br />
> > help in
completing the form
created by the xwd file;<br />
> ><br />
> > * examples of
actual uses of that page
type in real projects.<br />
> ><br />
> > * examples of
combining this page type
with other page types<br />
> > to achieve a
particular pedagogical
approach<br />
> ><br />
> > * guidance as to
how accessible the page is
with respect to<br />
> > particular types
of user, or what features
the page has as optional<br />
> > properties to
provide additional
accessibility<br />
> ><br />
> > However at
present if the "info" tag
is used then the ability
to<br />
> > edit the
language flagged elements
of the page is
compromised.<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > Is this
something that is intended
to be addressed before the
next<br />
> > release of Xerte
/ XOT?<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > Sorry to be a
nuisance, but it seems
such a potentially useful<br />
> > feature it seems
a shame not to be able to
use it.<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > Kind regards<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> > Johnathan<br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
> ><br />
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