<html><body style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Longtail hates it some of the time, but I got bored and wrote a separate HTML5 version for apple stuff.<br /><br />Apple pick and choose what they want really, and people believe it or they don't<br /><br />It is noticeable now that I often open a newspaper page (normally newspapers) and the amount of time it takes all the JS to finish firing stops the browser for a good few seconds. So we've gained nothing really, bar getting rid of flash, which hasn't really happened, so all we've done is made stuff harder.<br /><br />Win win.<br /><br />Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com<div>Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality</div><br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Julian Tenney" <Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>"For Xerte technical developers" <xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:31:03 +0000<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>[Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...<br /><br /><br /><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Yeah, we’ve had a right PITA with the embedded quicktime player.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></p><p> </p><p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br /><b>Sent:</b> 22 February 2013 13:22<br /><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...</span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"></p><p> </p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Which is ironic considering a big part of the move to html5 has been driven by the argument that ipads won’t do Flash so we should target html5…</span></p><p></p><p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Regards,</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">John Smith</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Learning Technologist</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">School of Health & Life Sciences</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Glasgow Caledonian University</span></p><p></p><p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p> </p><p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat @ Pgogy<br /><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 22, 2013 12:51 PM<br /><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...</span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p> </p><p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From my experience of iPads - the html5 support is shocking. Events don't fire, the embedded QuickTime player sucks and so on.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p> </p><p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Steve Jobs. Genius<br /><br />Pgogy Webstuff - <a href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a></span></p><p></p><p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality</span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"><br />On 22 Feb 2013, at 12:28, "Ron Mitchell" <<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p><p></p><p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Hi John/all</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">you may have tested already I guess but thought I should add that unfotunately Popcorn Maker doesn't appear to work on iPads :-( Curiously on my iPhone the video plays but no pop ups are shown but on my iPad the video doesn't play either. I've only been testing the clip on the homepage at </span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"><a href="https://popcorn.webmaker.org/">https://popcorn.webmaker.org/</a> but I've tried that with various browsers on my iPad and none work - shame!</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Ron</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><a><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></a><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br /><b>Sent:</b> 21 February 2013 14:44<br /><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Hi Ron,</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Wasn’t aware of Popcorn before – looks good, will have to give it a try.</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">As for the videos, it should be possible to add a check for different video types but I’ll wait to catch up with Fay when she returns. Fay shared a page with me a while ago that had multiple audio and video formats and there were considerable problems getting them to play in all the browsers so maybe that has to be explored and we might need to have more than just mp4 and flv types, based on the supported browsers list… same goes for audio – we could actually build this into the xenith code and detect the browser and try the recommended video extensions. There’s no file_exists() command in js though so to test for existence would require an ajax request which could delay the video appearing…</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Regards,</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">John Smith</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Learning Technologist</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">School of Health & Life Sciences</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Glasgow Caledonian University</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, 'sans-serif';" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br /><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:41 PM<br /><b>To:</b> 'For Xerte technical developers'<br /><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] what's the plan re video for pages like synched video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...</span><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"></span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Hi all</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">a quick question about this... I always advise people to use streaming services for video wherever possible and with the HTML 5 playback it's obviously much more flexible now regarding what can be used and in which page type which is great. However there are some occasions where it's justified to upload a small video direct to an LO especially to use the synched video page functionality but even just the plain video page too. For Flash playback obviously it's still an flv that needs to be uploaded but what's the current plan for HTML 5? I know there's been all sorts of previous discussion about player licensing and codecs etc but has anything been decided? </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Is there perhaps a solution to check for an mp4 in the HTML 5 model with the same name as the .flv and if it exists use that instead of the .flv via html 5?</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">I know Fay isn't around until next week now but posting this now while I have time.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Also perhaps relevant I'm not sure if you've seen or used Popcorn Maker <a href="https://popcorn.webmaker.org/">https://popcorn.webmaker.org/</a> but that provides a quick way of adding all sorts of synched events to video's and works well via the embed content page e.g. <a href="http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_53">http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_53</a></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Cheers</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;"><span lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us">Ron</span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt;"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;" lang="en-us" xml:lang="en-us"> </span><span lang="en-us" 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