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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sounds good to me. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As you say perhaps eventually a single auto detect link which can also have parameters to force one or the other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The preview button in the workspace also needs a solution similar to what you've enabled for the editor e.g. Ctrl + Click to preview html5 rather than Flash (I'm not sure how to detect/enable that but I'm sure Pat does?) then perhaps at some point in the future they reverse so that html5 is the default?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 November 2012 09:24<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: html5 link in properties<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No I think it’s perfectly acceptable to say this is a beta. It might change. What will happen is that people will build real content with it and deploy in the link we provide for now. I don’t see any reason to take that away even if we change the way things work: we will need two urls or one parameterised one so people can choose which delivery system to force content down, as they will need to make a concrete choice in some cases. I could see a situation where there are three eventual choices:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Auto-detect. Hit and hope. Works in 99% of cases, and delivers to the widest range of devices<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- HTML5. Forces the content to use the html system. Maybe because the developer has added custom HTML5 bits which will not work in flash. Will have tighter minimum specs than auto-detect <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Flash. Forces the content in to the Flash system. Maybe because the developer used a lot of flash content that doesn’t work in html very well, or custom xerte stuff etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat Lockley<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 November 2012 09:14<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: html5 link in properties<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>That'll need a database change / some odd code though.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>I get the desire to let people play, just worried it'd create a rod for our backs?<br><br>On 15 Nov 2012, at 08:48, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s more complicated than that because some pieces are not going to work in html5 even in a new browser because of the way they are designed. So auto detection isn’t (all of) the answer. I think it should probably be author choice, with the default for new projects being HTML, old projects continue to use play.php.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat Lockley<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 November 2012 16:01<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: html5 link in properties</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><thoughts><br>I don't think this is a good idea, it makes more sense to have a play.php which negotiates with the device to see what can be displayed?<br></thoughts><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Fay Cross <<a href="mailto:Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, commit it please. That’s on my to do list so if you’ve already done it that’s great.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 November 2012 15:42<br><b>To:</b> 'For Xerte technical developers'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] html5 link in properties</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Hi Fay/all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>I noticed that Julian had committed an update to allow Ctrl + Click html5 preview from the editor and also I know part of the 1.9 plans is to enable either the play_html5 link or auto detection or both but as a temporary measure for testing xenith development etc I had already been testing enabling a second play link in the properties window and I've uploaded this to the Techdis install for now but could commit the code if you want?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>This involved a small addition to url_library.php and properties_library.php and well as properties_library.inc for the language string.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Have a look at the Techdis install and let me know if you want me to commit these additions?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>For the moment I haven't duplicated the embed code box for the html5 version.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>HTH<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:72.0pt'>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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