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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I'm sorry I have to correct this - it's obviously not my preference at all to undo any changes that make XOT more user friendly.</span>
</div><div><br></div><div>I wasn't having a go at you Ron :-)</div><div><br></div><div>What you are suggesting mirrors the options that were originally available, so your ideas reflect my own initial preferences. I can also appreciate your reasoning behind your suggestion. I don't mind implementing your suggestions, I just think it makes sense for a few more people to get their heads around the Connector pages before a final decision is made, particularly if in doing so we can involve more of the authoring community. That way we can be sure we have the right balance between simplicity and functionality.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>We are all working to achieve the same aim here.</div><div><br></div><div>KInd regards</div><div><br></div><div>Johnathan</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 31 July 2012 17:33, Ron Mitchell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk" target="_blank">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">></span> <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have modified the connector pages to make them more XOT friendly. Now Ron's preferences are to effectively undo that again. I want to make the Connector pages meet people's needs. I am not currently convinced that there is a consensus formed as to how that can best be achieved.<</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I'm sorry I have to correct this - it's obviously not my preference at all to undo any changes that make XOT more user friendly. I have also tested most of the connectors and have a clear idea about how I might use them and support others to do so. It's in that context that I think the suggested options need to be avilable but it sounds like it's agreed by all now to park any further development or discussion about connectors until October.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ron</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="138dde21de5da4d4__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></a></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 31 July 2012 15:53</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity</div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal">
</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am not suggesting we delay the launch of Xerte till October. Personally the sooner Xerte can launch the better, it has already consumed far more of my time than I anticipated it would.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I believe the Connector pages will prove useful in their current state and with the current navigation options (both with respect to settings in the Connector pages and with respect to the current lack of historic backward navigation).</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am just suggesting that any further changes to the Connector pages can be deferred until October.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
I have modified the connector pages to make them more XOT friendly. Now Ron's preferences are to effectively undo that again. I want to make the Connector pages meet people's needs. I am not currently convinced that there is a consensus formed as to how that can best be achieved.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There are also a number of opportunities for making use of the setNavigationStyle() method, but again if there is a clear consensus on how (or if) that should be used, I don't feel that I understand from the communications thus far what that is.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think that we will end up with a clearer understanding of the issues and arrive at the best solution to those issues if people have had a chance to try out the Connector pages for themselves and can then talk things through. The October meet offers a unique opportunity to involve both the Developer and Authoring community.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If this is unacceptable then yes I can start making whatever changes you want, but they may not be completed until sometime week commencing 20th August. I will be away for a while and then I have a court case to prepare for. </p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Johnathan</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">
On 31 July 2012 15:26, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>So a delay until October…</p><p class="MsoNormal">
What? You have got to be kidding.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 31 July 2012 15:14</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity</p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
</p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Adding the additional navigation options depends on a couple of issues</p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt">1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>When the release is going to take place. I am going to have very little time this week to implement the changes and no time at all next week.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt">2.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span>I don't want to make changes until I feel they have a general consensus behind them. I have already removed the ability to set individual navigation buttons, which was part of the original functionality, in order to make the pages more XOT friendly. To simply replace the functionality now would be to ignore the merit of the discussions that lead to the simplification of the options. Which is why I suggested deferring any further developments until the pages have had a little exposure and we can sit round a table and discuss the various issues the connector pages raise.</p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Unless things have changed as a result of the language developments, it is my understanding that changes to the model and xwd files would automatically pass through to existing XOT projects. So a delay until October should not prevent anyone developing in the meantime. Any changes would be fully backward compatible.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kind regards</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
Johnathan</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 31 July 2012 15:03, Ron Mitchell <<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk" target="_blank">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sounds like a good idea!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But could the "Back, Next and TOC", "Back and Next only", "Back only", "Next only" options still be added before the meeting - indeed before release? If not so be it but my point and reasons for those option are valid for my planned usage regardless of the history setting.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><a name="138dde21de5da4d4_138dd6e9692620fb_138dd586f42a8f10__MailE"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></a></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 31 July 2012 14:46</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity</p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>How many times do I have to make this point. </span></p><div><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">BUTTONS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR FUNCTION.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">>OK, I’m going to put the navigation back to linear in all situations. I’m going to leave the rootIcon.setNavigationStyle() method so you can switch it if you want,.</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I am not trying to be pedantic.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I am trying to ensure we are all sharing a common understanding and at the moment I am confused.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">If I use the setNavigationStyle() method then the back button will change its functioning. So is that OK because it is still a back button. Or is that unacceptable because buttons don't change their function?.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Can I make a suggestion?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">It will be relatively easy at a later date to add additional exit navigation button setting options to the connector pages xwd and model files. I have in an earlier post discussed a workaround that can be used to get the best out of the Connector pages with purely linear navigation. So how about we leave things as they are for now and then discuss this at the forthcoming Xerte meet in October? </p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">This will avoid any further delays in the Xerte release, allow a little time for people to try out the Connector pages and give both the Authoring and Developer communities an opportunity to engage with the discussion.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">All in favour ?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
Johnathan</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
</p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 31 July 2012 12:37, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</p><div><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Personally I think it should be set at the learning object level so that navigation remains consistent throughout the project.<span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="color:red">Wouldn't that lead to the confusion and inconsistency Julian is trying to avoid? I would only see this being needed if a connector is used within the project and only then if required for a specific purpose e.g. to go back to the connector rather than linear back. (Also see response to 3 below)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">How many times do I have to make this point. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">BUTTONS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR FUNCTION.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt">
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