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I merged in and committed the changes (buttonNav, columnPage, jmol
and title), youtube and youtuberss were alredy taken care of.<br>
<br>
The only thing I noticed, is there seems to be an addition to
columnPage. A header? That must have caused a cange to the .xwd ,
but I can't find that. Any idea about the timeframe on when that
addition was done? I need to find the template.xwd where that
change is in. Current live xot?<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
Op 11-5-2012 11:54, Julian Tenney schreef:
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I can compare the beta set of files with the pageTemplate set
of files and ensure the changes get into the beta models.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Then the models in the two folder should be
*<b>exactly</b>* the same?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And the definitive set of files are those
in pageWizards/models?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 May 2012 10:52<br>
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">During the
development of the new models I kept a folder in xerte
svn/pageWizards called baseline. In this I have a set of the
models from pageTemplates.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">When I updated
my svn I compared the pageTemplates models with the ones in
the baseline so that I could detect any changes and
implement them in my models. Then I copied across the
updated files from the pageTemplates folder so that baseline
was in sync again.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Since the beta
release I had incorrectly assumed that changes would be made
in the beta models, however this appears not always to have
been the case.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">It will not be
easy to compare the models in the pageTemplates with the new
models because there will be many changes showing in the
comparison that are merely the fact that [0] has changed to
[projPI].<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">However as far
as I know the baseline files are up to date to the last time
I did a comparison, so it should be possible to identify any
changes in the pageTemplate version of the models and to
implement those changes in the new models.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">A quick
comparison using winmerge shows the following files have
been modified since my last check.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">buttonNav<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">columnPage<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">jmol<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">title<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">youtube<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">youtuberss<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I can compare
the beta set of files with the pageTemplate set of files and
ensure the changes get into the beta models.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Since we are
heading for a situation in which pageTemplates based
projects will be generated from the same set of models as
are used by desktop Xerte, rather than having a set of
models packaged in an xtp file it would be really useful if
we could get to the position in which the model files in the
runtime/pages folder are the definitive set. I have been
leaving this to Tom as he has a better understanding of how
svn's work than I do and I don't know what changes to files
(if any) he may need to make. In the mean time I will
continue to update the set of model and wizard files in the
pageWizard section of the svn.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Johnathan<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 11 May 2012
09:24, Julian Tenney <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">></span>
I have not been doing anything with xerte
svn\templates\pageTemplates<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
might be bad news then, because I have always edited,
templates/pageTemplates/models, because that has
always been considered the number one source until
very recently. It was my understanding that you were
keeping your models in synch with these. I have never
made any edits to the models in pageWizards/models,
but I thought any changes to the files in
templates/pageTemplates were reflected in your files.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 May 2012 23:05</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><br>
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept
test<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">I
have been updating xerte svn\pageWizards\models<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">I
have not been doing anything with xerte
svn\templates\pageTemplates<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">I
don't know anything about
xerte2code\pageTemplates\models is that in the
xerte svn?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">Is
there a separate set of model files in
xerte2code\templates\pageTemplates\models that
have been changed separate to the files in xerte
svn\pageWizards\models ?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">I
have just updated both my xerte svn and toolkits
svn and compared the model folders using winmerge
and the models are identical save that the xerte
svn has indexChanger.rlm and toolkits has
translation.rlm and xerte.rlm<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">So
this is correct as I understand things should be.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">Kind
regards<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">Johnathan<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">On
10 May 2012 14:17, Julian Tenney <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">>
Are all the latest rlm's from Xerte also in the
XOT svn? Not sure they are.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt">This
is a question we need to nail down. AFAIK, the one
source is the models folder in xerte
svn\pageWizards\models, so these are the files we
should be modifying / fixing and then copying to
toolkits. Whether or not they contain all changes
to the files in
xerte2code\templates\pageTemplates\models I am not
sure.<br>
<br>
Jonathan?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
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href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell<br>
Sent: 10 May 2012 10:10<br>
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'<br>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test<br>
<br>
> and there's still a bit to do <<br>
<br>
On that note I checked the XOT svn last night
and there were no new files<br>
but just in case I re-uploaded all the latest
code to the test server<br>
overwriting what was there with the exception
of config.php and index.php.<br>
<br>
I'll update some notes in the Google doc later
but a few quick points:<br>
<br>
deleting unused media not working<br>
<br>
export not including language folder and files<br>
<br>
I know the language functionality is still
under development but just a note<br>
that using either guest or moodle integration
the language selection menu<br>
doesn't show e.g. only shows on login page not
when auto logged in. Perhaps<br>
it should always be available?<br>
<br>
Are all the latest rlm's from Xerte also in
the XOT svn? Not sure they are.<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
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target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Julian Tenney<br>
Sent: 10 May 2012 09:16<br>
To: For Xerte technical developers<br>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test<br>
<br>
Let's leave it for now. Priority now is
getting the release done, and<br>
there's still a bit to do,
________________________________________<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
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On Behalf Of Pat Lockley<br>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:patrick.lockley@googlemail.com"
target="_blank">patrick.lockley@googlemail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: 09 May 2012 20:53<br>
To: For Xerte technical developers<br>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test<br>
<br>
Well you could do it on page title?<br>
<br>
if(startpage){<br>
<br>
Cover LO while LO loads<br>
move to startpage<br>
uncover LO<br>
<br>
}<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Ron Mitchell
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk"
target="_blank">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> firstly yes I always encourage people to
think granular and not build<br>
> one big LO but sometimes original plans
change and even with a<br>
> relatively small LO linking to a specific
page can be very useful.<br>
><br>
> It obviously hasn't ever been available
in XOT but for me the simplest<br>
> would be if authors could simply append
something like &page=5 or<br>
> just #page=5 to link to page 5. e.g.
similar to what you can do with<br>
> pdf's<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=5"
target="_blank">http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=5</a><br>
><br>
> Before anyone says "that's not reliable
what happens when pages are<br>
> moved around" it's no different to other
self-authored resources - the<br>
> author would know the implications of
that and re-send or update the<br>
> deep link if pages are re-ordered and in
most cases would only be<br>
> sending deep links to established
resources unlikely to change or when<br>
> the deep link is an individualised point
inWel time reference rather<br>
> than needing to be a permalink etc.<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
On Behalf Of Pat<br>
> Lockley<br>
> Sent: 09 May 2012 20:05<br>
> To: For Xerte technical developers<br>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept
test<br>
><br>
> i can't recall where the deep link is
shown? how does a teacher find it?<br>
><br>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Dave
Burnett <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> One objection:<br>
>> Your deep linking examples "moodle
resources, pages with websites,<br>
>> specific blog posts etc" are support
materials correct?<br>
>><br>
>> So in the flow of a coherent LO, you
can pop up some backup or<br>
>> exploratory material.<br>
>> They generally aren't "Abandon the
current learning object, jump to<br>
>> this blog post and continue the
lesson from there".<br>
>><br>
>> I see the use of being able to send a
link via email.<br>
>> As you say, it's all in context. The
needs hierarchy. :-)<br>
>><br>
>> Dave<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of
concept test<br>
>><br>
>> I demonstrated the online copy of the
test file today as an example<br>
>> of possible features of the upcoming
1.8 release and as expected<br>
>> delegates thought it very useful. In
my experience it's something<br>
>> people have wanted for a long time
e.g. they often use deep linking<br>
>> to moodle resources, pages with
websites, specific blog posts etc and<br>
>> particularly in an FE and ACL context
and have often voiced<br>
>> frustration at not being able to do
so with Xerte LO's. There are<br>
>> limitations in having to say "follow
this link to the first page of<br>
>> this LO and then navigate to page x"
especially in areas such a SFL<br>
>> etc. The ability to send a direct
link via email or to add a link in<br>
>> another resource to a page within an
LO would be very useful in many<br>
>> cases - if it's possible and
reliable. It's not a game changer but<br>
>> useful<br>
> on the occasions where it might be used
for a particular reason e.g.<br>
>> differentiation and for instance if
you take the 560 example<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560"
target="_blank">http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560</a>
there are many<br>
>> occasions where it would be useful to
link to a specific page when<br>
>> providing CPD support etc.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> So if it's unreliable or likely to
delay the release then in that<br>
>> context it's not so important but if
it can be made to work in a<br>
>> satisfactory way then I can see it
being a very useful including the<br>
>> ability to link to new page types
within an updated 560 example when<br>
>> highlighting what's new in 1.8.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of Dave<br>
>> Burnett<br>
>> Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of
concept test<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Always value in pure research, but
just to be a negative Nellie, I've<br>
>> real doubts about a feature like this
actually being used, even if<br>
>> the technical issues are addressed.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Authorware had "jumpfile", which
seamlessly segued between files.<br>
>><br>
>> It was used if you had a router style
architecture.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Don't remember anyone asking for the
ability to jump to a specific page.<br>
>><br>
>> That sounds like a glossary or
definition type structure requirement<br>
>> and there's easier ways to accomplish
those.<br>
>><br>
>> And without the ability to return to
the same place in the calling<br>
>> module (Call and Return), I don't see
huge numbers of folks using it.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> But like I said, futzing around is a
great way to stumble across<br>
>> other nuggets.<br>
>><br>
>> :-)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>><br>
>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100<br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com"
target="_blank">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a><br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of
concept test<br>
>><br>
>> According to my Xerte desktop
installation it generates a linkID and<br>
>> not a pageID<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> phew you had me worried there for a
minute :-)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I know you have referred to "deep
linking" before but I was never<br>
>> sure what you meant.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The idea here was to create a link
using a value known to the<br>
>> learning object author.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It was just an experiment. Maybe if
it works without the delay in XOT<br>
>> then it would be more acceptable.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I can shorten the delay in Xerte but
in the absence of a means of<br>
>> knowing when the page array has been
fully populated it will always<br>
>> be guess work as to how short the
delay can be.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Johnathan<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> No, the wizard automatically produces
a pageID in the xml - you'll<br>
>> have seen it I'm sure. The intention
for this was to facilitate deep<br>
> linking, i.e.<br>
>> ?pageID=321234524<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> But when Pat and I tried to get it to
work nicely we couldn't and<br>
>> parked<br>
> it.<br>
>> It may well be we hit the same issue
you have hit: the need for the<br>
>> delay, which I don't think is
acceptable to the end user.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of Kemp<br>
>> Johnathan<br>
>> Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers<br>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of
concept test<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The javascript routine used matches a
name to data, so you could just<br>
>> as easily use ?name=titlePage as you
could ?pageID=titlePage<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The problem with using name is that
the page name is more likely to<br>
>> be "Title Page" and the use of spaces
might cause a problem.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It was never intended that this
should be an alternative routing<br>
>> internally within a learning object
to another page in that learning<br>
>> object. It was only intended to be a
means of opening a different<br>
>> learning object, which you can do
already using a URL. The only<br>
>> difference here was that someone on
one of the postings was lamenting<br>
>> the inability to open a new learning
object at a specific page.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The version for XOT would have to use
the extXML which, from memory,<br>
>> did not suffer the need for a delay
before it could be used. But I am<br>
>> quite happy to leave it out of this
release as once people were happy<br>
>> it would work OK then it could be
added later.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I need a little time to finish the
XOT demo version anyway and right<br>
>> now I am focusing on an update to the
scenario page to make it easier<br>
>> to implement scenarios like the
Farmer, the Goose, the Fox and the<br>
>> Bag of Grain on one side of the
river.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Johnathan<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> The need for that delay may well be
why we decided to leave it last time.<br>
>> It's disorienting to see the page for
that long and then suddenly be<br>
>> moved on. Let's leave this for
another time.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of Kemp<br>
>> Johnathan<br>
>> Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers<br>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of
concept test<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The delay is because I have had to
put a timer in to give Xerte the<br>
>> time to build the rootIcon.pages
array - it's a bit of guess work as<br>
>> to how long I need to give it. It
would be nice if the onInit event<br>
>> didn't fire until the array had
completed being built, then I could<br>
>> remove the timer and the delay would
be reduced to the minimum required.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In XOT you use a different array so I
think the time delay will be<br>
>> insignificant as if I recall
correctly the array was already fully<br>
>> available.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'll run some further tests in XOT
now that I have the javascript<br>
>> sorted out and then post something
for you to try out.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Johnathan<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk"
target="_blank">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Working fine here too<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu"
target="_blank">http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu</a><br>
>><br>
>> Win 7 64bit<br>
>><br>
>> IE 8.0<br>
>><br>
>> Chrome 18.0<br>
>><br>
>> Safari 5.1.5<br>
>><br>
>> Opera 10.60<br>
>><br>
>> Firefox 12.0<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Great job Jonathan this will be a
very popular feature.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
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On Behalf Of Tom<br>
>> Reijnders<br>
>> Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23<br>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers<br>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of
concept test<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Working fine here (although with a
noticeable lag, first page is<br>
>> shown and after 1 second the menu
page is opened)<br>
>><br>
>> Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome
18<br>
>><br>
>> Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan
schreef:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello Everyone,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I have been working (between beta
version stuff) on a means of making<br>
>> it possible to open a Xerte project
at a specific page, rather than<br>
>> always have them open at the title
page.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Attached is a simple 3 page desktop
Xerte project as a proof of concept.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Do not open it in Xerte (at least
until you have finished testing<br>
>> it!) If you publish the project, in
Xerte, your local copy of<br>
>> rloObject.js will overwrite the one
in the project and the code that<br>
>> supports the redirection will be
lost.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Would you mind unzipping it and then
opening index.htm in a web<br>
>> browser - not Xerte.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> For it to work you will need to set
up the folder in which you place<br>
>> it as a trusted location in the Flash
player settings (otherwise<br>
>> javascript calls will not work).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It should open at a title page.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Then add to the url in your browser<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ?pageID=menu<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> and press enter to reload the page.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> After a short delay the project
should redirect from the title page<br>
>> to the menu page.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I have tested this in Firefox, IE8,
and Opera.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> If anyone has other browsers at their
disposal I would be keen to<br>
>> know if the redirection works. e.g.
Chrome, Safari,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Should you examine the project the
key stuff that makes it work is a<br>
>> function at the end of rlsObject.js
and some code running off the<br>
>> onInitHandler interaction in the
entry frame. Because<br>
>> rootIcon.pages.length has not
finished being built when the onInit<br>
>> event fires I have added a timer to
create a delay to allow time for<br>
>> the array to be built - hence the
delay before redirection takes place.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Should this prove reliable in your
testing I believe the same<br>
>> approach should be applicable to XOT
(albeit using a different array<br>
>> to source the page information)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Johnathan<br>
>><br>
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may contain confidential information. If you have
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me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy
or disclose the information contained in this message
or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed
by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect
the views of the University of Nottingham. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">This message has been
checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
may still contain software viruses which could damage
your computer system: you are advised to perform your
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href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev"
target="_blank">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><br>
<br>
This message and any attachment are intended solely for the
addressee and may contain confidential information. If you
have received this message in error, please send it back to
me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or
disclose the information contained in this message or in any
attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author
of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the
University of Nottingham.<br>
<br>
This message has been checked for viruses but the contents
of an attachment<br>
may still contain software viruses which could damage your
computer system:<br>
you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
communications with the<br>
University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
legislation.<br>
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This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
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