<div>The new model (.rlm) files and form (.xwd) files that I created for the next releases of XOT and Xerte - one set of files to be shared by both products were created in the Xerte svn in the Page Wizards folder.<br></div>
<div><br></div><div>When the beta releases were being prepared I copied the model files to the runtime / pages / models folder of the xerte svn and to the XOT svn modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models folder.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If I have understood Tom correctly he has a preference for working with the files in the xerte svn / pageWizards section of the svn as since they have not been copied they will retain a history of their development.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The xwd files have been copied to the XOT svn modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en folder and to the Xerte runtime pages / wizards / en folder</div><div><br></div><div>Ideally we really ought to have one single location for these files.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Already the model files in the XOT are diverging from those in pageWizards as Tom has modified the quiz.rlm file to accommodate his preferred way of handling the "Question 1 of 8 questions" translation.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The data.xwd folder should not be edited directly. Any missing entries should be corrected by editing the appropriate individual xwd files and then the new data.xwd file should be built.</div><div><br>
</div><div>This will improve maintenance in the long term, but right now we need to agree either a single location for the files or if there are to be more than one location then a process for change has to be agreed so that one set is universally accepted as the master set and is the only one modified and then the changes are copied over to the other set(s).</div>
<div><br></div><div>This issue applies to all the files that are shared by both Xerte and XOT. I don't know the full extent of the level of sharing. In addition to the rlm and xwd files there will be the files in the "common" folder, the thumbnails etc. What worries me most are the more core files such as XMLengine.swf or editor.swf. If they are common to XOT and Xerte then the reliability of the beta testing will be compromised if the XOT and Xerte betas are not using the same versions of the files.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In creating the new .rlm files a couple of pages were enhanced i.e. the Title page and the bullets page ( which did not display correctly). The rest of the pages were only modified in terms of adding a test for their location and to support parallel indexed data in Xerte projects (this is neutral to XOT as the index defaults to 0).</div>
<div><br></div><div>The biggest issue I have faced in creating the new models has been to keep up to date with changes that have been made to the current model files and to template.xwd during the time that the new model and xwd set were created. It would be really useful if no further changes to the currently live set of model and xwd files are made. If there are changes I will do my best to pick them up when I update my copy of the svns.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But it is vital that ASAP we establish a which set of beta files is the master set and ensure they are applied to both Xerte and XOT, and that then everyone only introduces change to the master set. The way to chaos lies down the path of trying to maintain multiple sets of duplicate files with no consensus on which set is the master set.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I hope this makes things clearer to everyone. I can understand that this may appear a little confusing to anyone who has not been involved in the development. </div><div><br></div><div>If there is anything that I have not explained clearly enough please ask for clarification.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is Nottingham's call as to how they want to organise the files, until this is resolved I recommend that no files are changed, as every change will lead to potentially greater confusion.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Johnathan</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2012 13:21, Ron Mitchell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks for the explanation Tom sounds like a good plan to fill basic.xwd with the preferred top menu and have any differences simply appended.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">On the test server we are using I might quickly edit data.xwd to reflect that category order I listed below but I guess basix.xwd needs to be updated wherever it exists in the trunks?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ron</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2012 13:10</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Location of xwd and rlm files in the svn(s) plus any other shared files</div>
</div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">First an explanation:<br><br>The template.xwd is generated from basic.xwd and parsing all the individual pages to add the rest. At the moment basic.xwd has an empty top menu, and contains basically the setup scripts for a pageTemplate project. The top menu is automatically generated when the individual pages are read and maintains an alphabetical order.<br>
<br>What we could do is the following:<br><br>Fill basic.xwd with the top menu that we know/expect to find in the individual pages and keep the order as they are in basic.xwd. If a page is encountered with a top menu different from the ones found in basic.xwd, it is simply appended (not resorted in any way). This would be easy to implement, it doesn't require any extra info in the xwd's and gives us maximum control.<br>
<br>The (minor) drawback is, that if we move pages around and one of the topmenus in basic.xwd happens to be empty, strange things can happen, but those are easily fixed. <br><br>Tom<br><br><br><br><br><br>Op 20-4-2012 13:22, Ron Mitchell schreef: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In the Google doc Julian commented as follows: </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">JT - would like the top level sections to be based on some order of popularity, i.e. text / media ones first, as they were. Charts does not make sense at the top. Second level menus could be alphabetical. We could analyse Nottingham's LOs to see what is used most? I think it is text / media / navigators before anything else.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My preference would be the following:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Text</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Media</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Navigators</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Connectors</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Charts</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Interactivity</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Games</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Misc</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">and have the page types within each category alphabetical A - Z</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That would maintain continuity/familiarity for existing users and although the individual page type order within at least some of the categories would have changed I think that's let important and makes more sense to be alphabetical.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Is that possible without major code changes?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ron</span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2012 11:42<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Location of xwd and rlm files in the svn(s) plus any other shared files</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
</p><p class="MsoNormal">The order has changed depending on what template.xwd you use. The one that is generated from the pages (individual xwd's) maintains an <br>alphabetical order, that used to be a different order typed in in the template xwd.<br>
<br>Of course we can change that, but I would need more information in the individual xwd's to indicate the order or placement.<br><br>Tom<br><br><br>Op 20-4-2012 12:13, Ron Mitchell schreef: </p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That's a good point Jonathan but I guess the answer isn't straightforward :-(</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">e.g. I notice Fay has just updated /trunk/modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/data.xwd but I'm not sure what changes that contains or whether that brings it in sync or out of sync with the Xerte version or rather versions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As we've listed and discussed the custom stylesheet option has gone missing in the XOT 1.8 beta to which I guess means it's gone missing from the xwd but I'm not sure how or why. Likewise there's the discussion about the order in which the categories and page types appear in the Nottingham template and I guess this applies to Xerte as well as XOT although I haven't checked if this has changed in Xerte too?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I guess Julian is king and needs to guide us? ;-)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ron</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2012 10:47<br><b>To:</b> Xerte Developers Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Location of xwd and rlm files in the svn(s) plus any other shared files</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Currently we have separate svns for Xerte and Toolkits.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Whilst developing the new model and xwd files I set up a pageWizards folder in the root of the Xerte svn so that they could be developed parallel to the existing models which were still in use.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Now we have come to a point where we are testing a beta release of Toolkits that is based on these new models and xwds. Also a beta release of desktop Xerte is imminent, which will also be using the same model and xwd files. They will also share many other files e.g. thumbs, the "common" folder and I also (?) the core files such as editor.swf, XMLengine.swf etc.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Would it not make sense for all the shared files to be kept in one location so that we avoid a situation in which the various copies of the files that currently exist get out of synch with each other? If the Toolkits release is using earlier versions of swf files that have been modified in the desktop Xerte then this is going to create anomalies during testing, since the models were developed in the desktop environment.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Where then are we to keep them?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The testing of the XOT beta is raising the need to make some changes to xwd files and possibly also some model files. I don't want to start making these changes whilst there is ambiguity as to which set of files to work from.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Personally I have no preference as to where they are kept. I think Tom may have a view on this.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
Currently there are copies of the new xwd and rlm files in</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">xerte svn / runtime/pages /</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">xerte svn / pageWizards/models (rlms) and pageWizards/en-gb (xwds)</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">XOT svn/ modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models (rlms) and wizards (xwds)</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
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