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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the explanation Tom sounds like a good plan to fill basic.xwd with the preferred top menu and have any differences simply appended.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On the test server we are using I might quickly edit data.xwd to reflect that category order I listed below but I guess basix.xwd needs to be updated wherever it exists in the trunks?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2012 13:10<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Location of xwd and rlm files in the svn(s) plus any other shared files<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>First an explanation:<br><br>The template.xwd is generated from basic.xwd and parsing all the individual pages to add the rest. At the moment basic.xwd has an empty top menu, and contains basically the setup scripts for a pageTemplate project. The top menu is automatically generated when the individual pages are read and maintains an alphabetical order.<br><br>What we could do is the following:<br><br>Fill basic.xwd with the top menu that we know/expect to find in the individual pages and keep the order as they are in basic.xwd. If a page is encountered with a top menu different from the ones found in basic.xwd, it is simply appended (not resorted in any way). This would be easy to implement, it doesn't require any extra info in the xwd's and gives us maximum control.<br><br>The (minor) drawback is, that if we move pages around and one of the topmenus in basic.xwd happens to be empty, strange things can happen, but those are easily fixed. <br><br>Tom<br><br><br><br><br><br>Op 20-4-2012 13:22, Ron Mitchell schreef: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the Google doc Julian commented as follows: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>JT - would like the top level sections to be based on some order of popularity, i.e. text / media ones first, as they were. Charts does not make sense at the top. Second level menus could be alphabetical. We could analyse Nottingham's LOs to see what is used most? I think it is text / media / navigators before anything else.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My preference would be the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Text</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Media</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Navigators</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Connectors</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Charts</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Interactivity</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Games</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Misc</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>and have the page types within each category alphabetical A - Z</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That would maintain continuity/familiarity for existing users and although the individual page type order within at least some of the categories would have changed I think that's let important and makes more sense to be alphabetical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is that possible without major code changes?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2012 11:42<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Location of xwd and rlm files in the svn(s) plus any other shared files</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The order has changed depending on what template.xwd you use. The one that is generated from the pages (individual xwd's) maintains an <br>alphabetical order, that used to be a different order typed in in the template xwd.<br><br>Of course we can change that, but I would need more information in the individual xwd's to indicate the order or placement.<br><br>Tom<br><br><br>Op 20-4-2012 12:13, Ron Mitchell schreef: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That's a good point Jonathan but I guess the answer isn't straightforward :-(</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>e.g. I notice Fay has just updated /trunk/modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/data.xwd but I'm not sure what changes that contains or whether that brings it in sync or out of sync with the Xerte version or rather versions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As we've listed and discussed the custom stylesheet option has gone missing in the XOT 1.8 beta to which I guess means it's gone missing from the xwd but I'm not sure how or why. Likewise there's the discussion about the order in which the categories and page types appear in the Nottingham template and I guess this applies to Xerte as well as XOT although I haven't checked if this has changed in Xerte too?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess Julian is king and needs to guide us? ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2012 10:47<br><b>To:</b> Xerte Developers Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Location of xwd and rlm files in the svn(s) plus any other shared files</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Currently we have separate svns for Xerte and Toolkits.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Whilst developing the new model and xwd files I set up a pageWizards folder in the root of the Xerte svn so that they could be developed parallel to the existing models which were still in use.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now we have come to a point where we are testing a beta release of Toolkits that is based on these new models and xwds. Also a beta release of desktop Xerte is imminent, which will also be using the same model and xwd files. They will also share many other files e.g. thumbs, the "common" folder and I also (?) the core files such as editor.swf, XMLengine.swf etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Would it not make sense for all the shared files to be kept in one location so that we avoid a situation in which the various copies of the files that currently exist get out of synch with each other? If the Toolkits release is using earlier versions of swf files that have been modified in the desktop Xerte then this is going to create anomalies during testing, since the models were developed in the desktop environment.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Where then are we to keep them?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The testing of the XOT beta is raising the need to make some changes to xwd files and possibly also some model files. I don't want to start making these changes whilst there is ambiguity as to which set of files to work from.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Personally I have no preference as to where they are kept. I think Tom may have a view on this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Currently there are copies of the new xwd and rlm files in<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>xerte svn / runtime/pages /<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>xerte svn / pageWizards/models (rlms) and pageWizards/en-gb (xwds)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>XOT svn/ modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models (rlms) and wizards (xwds)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Johnathan<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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