<div>I got back earlier than expected.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tom, do you want me to update the files in line with Julian's changes or do you want to handle it?</div><div><br></div><div>With respect to the Xerte desktop menu uptions do you think they need looking at?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Currently to create a new project we have</div><div><br></div><div>File / New...</div><div>Pages / Create Template Project from Pages</div><div>Pages / Create new Page Project</div><div>Templates / Case Study</div>
<div>Templates / Media Interactions</div><div>Templates / Menu</div><div>Templates / Page Templates</div><div>Templates / Presentation</div><div>Templates / folders e.g. Dependent on what Page Wizards have been installed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It's my understanding that the intention is that every page should be in Toolkits / Page Templates and that all the rest of the templates are effectively legacy items left over to provide compatibility with earlier projects.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Would it make sense to update the menu so that we had</div><div><br></div><div>File / New </div><div> / Basic project (i.e. what you get now when you do File / New.)</div><div> / Developer project (i.e. the new style of project offering individual page templates)</div>
<div> / Toolkits style project (or Author project) i.e. pageTemplates project</div><div><br></div><div>Templates / Legacy (or Deprecated) </div><div> / Case Study</div><div> / Media Interactions</div>
<div> / Menu</div><div> / Presentation</div><div> / Folders (i.e. the page wizard folders if Page Wizards are installed)</div><div>
<br></div><div>The Page Wizards should now be considered legacy items. I would not recommend that they continue to be available for download as all the functionality they offer is now in the Individual Page Templates as provided by the Developer project.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What do you think.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Johnathan </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 March 2012 10:57, Tom Reijnders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl">reijnders@tor.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
About the 2 out of 4 issue....<br>
<br>
Yes, you are absolutely right that you have to be careful with the
order of words. My solution is just different, and in a way a bit
more flexible. The 'numbers' are referred to by a 'macro'($C, or
$T) and replaced in he text before display. This even gives you the
freedom as a user to skip the 'of 10' part.<br>
<br>
I'll put together an example and show you...<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tom <br>
<br>
Op 19-3-2012 11:43, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">
<div><font color="#3333ff">Alistair was here on Friday and we did
a few accessibility tweaks, also I’ve been checking some
occasional fixes / new bits and pieces into
\templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly changes
in the main set thata ren’t reflected in your own?</font><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes my current models will not include any changes you made
on Friday. Tom if you want to update those changes go ahead. I
will need to check over the tab nav connector as it may also
need modifying since the tab navigator has changed. If you see
any issues of accessibility that I have missed in the new pages
then by all means address those as well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color="#3333ff">Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I
change the way you handled the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue.
For a translator it is MUCH easier to have to translate 'You
answered $C out of $T'. In the code you would have to
substitute $C and $T, and you have to explain users NOT to
change the $C and $T, but it is much more flexible and cleaner
than the way you do it now in my humble opinion.</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The only reason I implemented the question 1 of 8, you have
scored 3 out of 10 etc. in a way that lets you choose whether to
put the page number before the count or the count before the
page number was because I don't know enough about the variety of
languages that Xerte may get translated in to to be sure that
one or more of them would not normally express things in what
would be to us the reverse order. Just as in English we say
telephone number whilst in French it is expresses as "number of
the telephone". If this is unlikely to be an issue then there is
no point in implementing it this way and simplifying it makes
sense. I am happy to be guided by you.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Whilst I have put in an amount of work to help with this next
version of Xerte I hope I can remain objective to achieving the
optimum solution and not become overly attached to any
particular feature that I may have introduced. If there are
features that I have introduced that you feel could be improved
or need modifying then now is the time to speak up. :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> I think I understand what you are referring to with the
concept of the translation database. I look forward to seeing
what you have come up with. If it means that the English set
remain the master set that are updated, and then your database
allows for other translations file sets to be generated
automatically then that will be extremely valuable in coping
with the potential confusion that multiple sets of xwds could
introduce.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I may not be available now until later today.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Johnathan </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 March 2012 10:01, Tom Reijnders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl" target="_blank">reijnders@tor.nl</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Yes,<br>
<br>
Ultimately, there will be one set. It is NOT needed, but
VERY confusing if we don't do that. I am willing to make
sure we merge in the changes.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you
handled the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator
it is MUCH easier to have to translate 'You answered $C out
of $T'. In the code you would have to substitute $C and $T,
and you have to explain users NOT to change the $C and $T,
but it is much more flexible and cleaner than the way you do
it now in my humble opinion.<br>
<br>
I appreciate all your hard work, and this will give the
Xerte development by the community an enormous boost (I am
convinced of that). Given the fact that you/we CANNOT change
the identifiers used in the xwd (because that would
absolutely break the current XOT LO's, the translation is
far for trivial. You really have to know what you can
change and what NOT to touch. Your document explains that
clearly. Also, if we're not careful, we will re-introduce a
maintenance nightmare, if the xwd's of a translation get out
of synch with the English ones.<br>
<br>
My proposal is to have an helper website that will take the
English XWD's as master, and build a translation database
from those. Than the XWD's for the other languages will be
generated from the English XWD and the translation database.
If all goes well, I've got something working by the end of
the day...<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Op 19-3-2012 10:40, Julian Tenney schreef:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">How
are we going to merge the files in
pageWizards\models with
\templates\pageTemplates\models? We will end up
with one set of models?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alistair
was here on Friday and we did a few
accessibility tweaks, also I’ve been checking
some occasional fixes / new bits and pieces into
\templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are
possibly changes in the main set thata ren’t
reflected in your own?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 March 2012 19:19<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte Developers Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Desktop files
developments - ready for testing</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I
have now committed to the svn the new model and
xwd files that have support for
internationalisation and the generation of a
single template.xwd file from a set of
individual page xwd files. This includes new
thumb images were required. I have also provide
draft new versions of the project files
pagetemplate.rlo complete with new xml and xwd
files to provide a variety of project layout /
colour change options. There are a number of new
pages including 7 connector pages, an inventory
page and an index changer page (desktop projects
only);</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I
have updated the Project State of Play.rtf file
to reflect what I believe is now the current
situation.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">As
far as I can tell the only changes that will be
required to be made to a few of the xwd files is
the addition of the name of the icon once one
has been added to the Xerte engine. Other than
that they should be stable enough for
translation to begin. In the svn I have added in
the page wizards section a supporting documents
folder which contains a brief guide to support
the translation of xwd files into other
languages. It is in both Open Office and pdf
format, so that others can translate the
document if they wish.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kind
regards</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Johnathan</p>
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