From i.donkervoort at 12change.eu Tue Jun 6 14:40:36 2017 From: i.donkervoort at 12change.eu (Inge Donkervoort) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:40:36 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte on the Apereo programm Message-ID: <5936B0D4.5040202@12change.eu> Hi all, Tom Reijnders and I (inge Donkervoort) are visiting the Apereo Conference in Philadelphia USA at the moment and did also a Xerte session yesterday. That went well by the way. Watching the program of today we are very excited because two of the sessions today are about Xerte and are NOT presented by us :) *Hey it's a MOOC, let's copy and use it!* Presented by: Greg Doyle - University of Cape Town The globalization of MOOCs has evolved to where it attracts participants from all over the world, expanding access to higher education for the masses. Poorly resourced institutions frequently use these teaching and learning resources as an expansion to what is available at their own institutions. Opportunities for reuse and repurposing through Creative Commons licenses enable modified course content to be re-published at other educational facilities. MOOCS therefore offer productive pathways for expanding educational learning opportunities. The question is how do you convert the content used in a MOOC and run it locally? In this presentation we will share converting and localizing the content an international MOOC on the topic of eye health in Xerte and running it on Sakai. We describe the affordances of Xerte and the opportunities it allows for different modes of delivery. * **Assessing Third-Party Tools* Presented by: Jeff Pasch - LMS Product Director, New York University ; Robert Squillace - Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Educational Technology Liaison, Liberal Studies, NYU Assessing third party tools: Xerte We'll keep you informed! Bye Tom & Inge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Jun 7 02:41:38 2017 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 03:41:38 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Message-ID: <5584b94c-e17f-efd5-162e-ecce1da57b94@tor.nl> Hi all, There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all the interactivities again to add them. 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by labeling them. 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that: - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5 formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted texts. - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements) consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking. So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use these labels in the tracking code. Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome! Regards, Tom From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Jun 7 07:47:17 2017 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 06:47:17 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options In-Reply-To: <5584b94c-e17f-efd5-162e-ecce1da57b94@tor.nl> References: <5584b94c-e17f-efd5-162e-ecce1da57b94@tor.nl> Message-ID: I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a good time at the conference! Julian ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Tom Reijnders Sent: 07 June 2017 02:41 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Hi all, There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all the interactivities again to add them. 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by labeling them. 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that: - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5 formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted texts. - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements) consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking. So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use these labels in the tracking code. Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome! Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Xerte-dev Info Page - University of Nottingham lists.nottingham.ac.uk To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Xerte-dev Archives. Using Xerte-dev: To post a message to all the list members, send ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Jun 7 08:54:21 2017 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 08:54:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options In-Reply-To: References: <5584b94c-e17f-efd5-162e-ecce1da57b94@tor.nl> Message-ID: <00ab01d2df63$466c3a60$d344af20$@mitchellmedia.co.uk> Yeah hope the trip to Philly has proved worthwhile! I'd make the following comments about labels. Sounds like a good plan to have plain text only labels for tracking etc Obviously needs to work with existing projects without needing loads of manual edits e.g. authors should only need to edit/rename when they want the management/tracking benefits of doing so. Ideally we should have a way of visually showing in the tree/editor what icons/fields aren't shown on the pages of the LO and only used for tree clarity and tracking purposes etc Does this have implications for the other project templates too? I know we don't have tracking etc in those but for consistency/clarity e.g. new users are often confused about the icons/fields in the other templates and which are tree only and which appear on pages. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 07 June 2017 07:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a good time at the conference! Julian _____ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > on behalf of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 07 June 2017 02:41 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Hi all, There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all the interactivities again to add them. 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by labeling them. 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that: - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5 formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted texts. - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements) consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking. So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use these labels in the tracking code. Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome! Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Xerte-dev Info Page - University of Nottingham lists.nottingham.ac.uk To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Xerte-dev Archives. Using Xerte-dev: To post a message to all the list members, send ... This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Every single time I create a quiz page I write the question and options in the label fields (as the default text in these boxes says 'question' & 'option') and then when I preview I just see 'Here is a prompt' & lots of 'here is an option'. I know I should have learnt by now that this is not what to do but for some reason my brain does not accept that the question doesn't get written where it says question! I'm sure lots of new users must get confused by this too. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 07 June 2017 08:54 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Yeah hope the trip to Philly has proved worthwhile! I'd make the following comments about labels... Sounds like a good plan to have plain text only labels for tracking etc Obviously needs to work with existing projects without needing loads of manual edits e.g. authors should only need to edit/rename when they want the management/tracking benefits of doing so. Ideally we should have a way of visually showing in the tree/editor what icons/fields aren't shown on the pages of the LO and only used for tree clarity and tracking purposes etc Does this have implications for the other project templates too? I know we don't have tracking etc in those but for consistency/clarity e.g. new users are often confused about the icons/fields in the other templates and which are tree only and which appear on pages. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 07 June 2017 07:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a good time at the conference! Julian ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > on behalf of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 07 June 2017 02:41 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Hi all, There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all the interactivities again to add them. 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by labeling them. 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that: - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5 formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted texts. - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements) consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking. So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use these labels in the tracking code. Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome! Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Xerte-dev Info Page - University of Nottingham lists.nottingham.ac.uk To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Xerte-dev Archives. Using Xerte-dev: To post a message to all the list members, send ... This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Cheers, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort Sent: 06 June 2017 14:41 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte on the Apereo programm Hi all, Tom Reijnders and I (inge Donkervoort) are visiting the Apereo Conference in Philadelphia USA at the moment and did also a Xerte session yesterday. That went well by the way. Watching the program of today we are very excited because two of the sessions today are about Xerte and are NOT presented by us :) Hey it's a MOOC, let's copy and use it! Presented by: Greg Doyle - University of Cape Town The globalization of MOOCs has evolved to where it attracts participants from all over the world, expanding access to higher education for the masses. Poorly resourced institutions frequently use these teaching and learning resources as an expansion to what is available at their own institutions. Opportunities for reuse and repurposing through Creative Commons licenses enable modified course content to be re-published at other educational facilities. MOOCS therefore offer productive pathways for expanding educational learning opportunities. The question is how do you convert the content used in a MOOC and run it locally? In this presentation we will share converting and localizing the content an international MOOC on the topic of eye health in Xerte and running it on Sakai. We describe the affordances of Xerte and the opportunities it allows for different modes of delivery. Assessing Third-Party Tools Presented by: Jeff Pasch - LMS Product Director, New York University ; Robert Squillace - Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Educational Technology Liaison, Liberal Studies, NYU Assessing third party tools: Xerte We'll keep you informed! Bye Tom & Inge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Jun 7 17:23:10 2017 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:23:10 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options In-Reply-To: References: <5584b94c-e17f-efd5-162e-ecce1da57b94@tor.nl> <00ab01d2df63$466c3a60$d344af20$@mitchellmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: Ok. I can understand that. So... - I cannot change the name of the option (anymore) as this would break older LO's, otherwise we should call it 'label' in stead of 'name' - The attribute 'name' is currently always put as the first field in the wizard form, as this used to be the title I created a prototype where I make a distinction between 'name' fields with wysiwyg enabled and 'name' fields with wysiwyg disabled and I changed the default text inside of those fields: - So the Label field will no longer be the first field on the form - It states it's a tree/tracking label What do you think? Op 7-6-2017 om 11:20 schreef Fay Cross: > > That?s fine Tom but I agree with Ron when he says we need to make it > more obvious what the label field is for. > > Every single time I create a quiz page I write the question and > options in the label fields (as the default text in these boxes says > ?question? & ?option?) and then when I preview I just see ?Here is a > prompt? & lots of ?here is an option?. I know I should have learnt by > now that this is not what to do but for some reason my brain does not > accept that the question doesn?t get written where it says question! > I?m sure lots of new users must get confused by this too. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron > Mitchell > *Sent:* 07 June 2017 08:54 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in > sub-pages like questions and options > > Yeah hope the trip to Philly has proved worthwhile! > > I?d make the following comments about labels? > > Sounds like a good plan to have plain text only labels for tracking etc > > Obviously needs to work with existing projects without needing loads > of manual edits e.g. authors should only need to edit/rename when they > want the management/tracking benefits of doing so. > > Ideally we should have a way of visually showing in the tree/editor > what icons/fields aren?t shown on the pages of the LO and only used > for tree clarity and tracking purposes etc > > Does this have implications for the other project templates too? I > know we don?t have tracking etc in those but for consistency/clarity > e.g. new users are often confused about the icons/fields in the other > templates and which are tree only and which appear on pages. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 07 June 2017 07:47 > *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in > sub-pages like questions and options > > I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a > good time at the conference! > > Julian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > on behalf of Tom > Reijnders > > *Sent:* 07 June 2017 02:41 > *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in > sub-pages like questions and options > > Hi all, > > There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the > usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham > template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all > the interactivities again to add them. > > 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance > easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you > have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by > labeling them. > 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have > these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the > questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that: > - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5 > formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted > texts. > - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements) > consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking. > > So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or > more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use > these labels in the tracking code. > > Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome! > > Regards, > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Xerte-dev Info Page - University of Nottingham > > > lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the > Xerte-dev Archives. 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Name: edbmgimolbpacnlh.png Type: image/png Size: 64523 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jun 8 07:57:34 2017 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 06:57:34 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options In-Reply-To: References: <5584b94c-e17f-efd5-162e-ecce1da57b94@tor.nl> <00ab01d2df63$466c3a60$d344af20$@mitchellmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: I think that'll be fine. Thanks Tom From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 07 June 2017 17:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Ok. I can understand that. So... - I cannot change the name of the option (anymore) as this would break older LO's, otherwise we should call it 'label' in stead of 'name' - The attribute 'name' is currently always put as the first field in the wizard form, as this used to be the title I created a prototype where I make a distinction between 'name' fields with wysiwyg enabled and 'name' fields with wysiwyg disabled and I changed the default text inside of those fields: - So the Label field will no longer be the first field on the form - It states it's a tree/tracking label What do you think? [cid:image001.png at 01D2E02C.E23D59A0] Op 7-6-2017 om 11:20 schreef Fay Cross: That's fine Tom but I agree with Ron when he says we need to make it more obvious what the label field is for. Every single time I create a quiz page I write the question and options in the label fields (as the default text in these boxes says 'question' & 'option') and then when I preview I just see 'Here is a prompt' & lots of 'here is an option'. I know I should have learnt by now that this is not what to do but for some reason my brain does not accept that the question doesn't get written where it says question! I'm sure lots of new users must get confused by this too. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 07 June 2017 08:54 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Yeah hope the trip to Philly has proved worthwhile! I'd make the following comments about labels... Sounds like a good plan to have plain text only labels for tracking etc Obviously needs to work with existing projects without needing loads of manual edits e.g. authors should only need to edit/rename when they want the management/tracking benefits of doing so. Ideally we should have a way of visually showing in the tree/editor what icons/fields aren't shown on the pages of the LO and only used for tree clarity and tracking purposes etc Does this have implications for the other project templates too? I know we don't have tracking etc in those but for consistency/clarity e.g. new users are often confused about the icons/fields in the other templates and which are tree only and which appear on pages. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 07 June 2017 07:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a good time at the conference! Julian ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > on behalf of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 07 June 2017 02:41 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options Hi all, There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all the interactivities again to add them. 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by labeling them. 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that: - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5 formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted texts. - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements) consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking. So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use these labels in the tracking code. Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome! Regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Xerte-dev Info Page - University of Nottingham lists.nottingham.ac.uk To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Xerte-dev Archives. Using Xerte-dev: To post a message to all the list members, send ... This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 64523 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Jun 19 10:22:09 2017 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:22:09 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Added unmark for completion Message-ID: Guys and Girls, I comitted the following: Add unmark for completion optional parameter - Replace mark for completion, so default behaviour is marked! - Use fontaweson icon to indicate in tree - replace hidden and deprecated icons with fontawesome icons - Refactor the way the icons are placed and removed and use css, i.e. icons are always places, but made visible/invisable with classes So, instead of having a mark for completion, I created an unmark for completion, in order to have mark for completion as the default. It would be good if the progressbar could also make use of this functionality (I think). I also refactored the code that manipulates the icons and states of the tree node. So for example, the background colour of the whole node is changed, instead of only the text and I used font awesome for the icons instead of images. Please feel free to suggest alternatives. I would appreciate some testing of the behaviour (hiding/unhiding pages, unmark/mark for completion, add optional parameter, remove optional parameter) Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Jun 19 11:42:24 2017 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:42:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Added unmark for completion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01fb01d2e8e8$bdb7ed10$3927c730$@mitchellmedia.co.uk> Hi Tom I pulled down the changes and had a quick look but will test further when I have more time. A few quick comments: I think the default being marked is a good solution. Does that apply to all existing LO?s too - I suspect it does but thought I should check? FA Icons seem fine. The unmark for completion looks a bit like a delete icon but I can?t think of anything better from the FA set right now. Agree the progress bar should take account of pages unmarked for completion so if unmarked not calculated as part of the total/percentage. Or should that be optional? Personally I?m not sure about having a grey background behind hidden page name and icons. I know we already had the grey background behind the page name but somehow having that span across the whole line makes it look like it?s selected. I wonder if the text color of the page name should just turn grey rather than have a background? But it?s a small point and others may think differently. Will test further asap. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 June 2017 10:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Added unmark for completion Guys and Girls, I comitted the following: Add unmark for completion optional parameter - Replace mark for completion, so default behaviour is marked! - Use fontaweson icon to indicate in tree - replace hidden and deprecated icons with fontawesome icons - Refactor the way the icons are placed and removed and use css, i.e. icons are always places, but made visible/invisable with classes So, instead of having a mark for completion, I created an unmark for completion, in order to have mark for completion as the default. It would be good if the progressbar could also make use of this functionality (I think). I also refactored the code that manipulates the icons and states of the tree node. So for example, the background colour of the whole node is changed, instead of only the text and I used font awesome for the icons instead of images. Please feel free to suggest alternatives. I would appreciate some testing of the behaviour (hiding/unhiding pages, unmark/mark for completion, add optional parameter, remove optional parameter) Regards, Tom This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jun 19 16:30:03 2017 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:30:03 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Added unmark for completion In-Reply-To: <01fb01d2e8e8$bdb7ed10$3927c730$@mitchellmedia.co.uk> References: <01fb01d2e8e8$bdb7ed10$3927c730$@mitchellmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: I?m not all that familiar with the functionality, but to me the phrase ?unmark for completion? is difficult to understand. Would a user understand what is meant by it? Should it be ?Do not track?? Like Ron I think having it as default is the right way to go. I?ll have a look at the visuals at some point. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 19 June 2017 11:42 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Added unmark for completion Hi Tom I pulled down the changes and had a quick look but will test further when I have more time. A few quick comments: I think the default being marked is a good solution. Does that apply to all existing LO?s too - I suspect it does but thought I should check? FA Icons seem fine. The unmark for completion looks a bit like a delete icon but I can?t think of anything better from the FA set right now. Agree the progress bar should take account of pages unmarked for completion so if unmarked not calculated as part of the total/percentage. Or should that be optional? Personally I?m not sure about having a grey background behind hidden page name and icons. I know we already had the grey background behind the page name but somehow having that span across the whole line makes it look like it?s selected. I wonder if the text color of the page name should just turn grey rather than have a background? But it?s a small point and others may think differently. Will test further asap. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 June 2017 10:22 To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Added unmark for completion Guys and Girls, I comitted the following: Add unmark for completion optional parameter - Replace mark for completion, so default behaviour is marked! - Use fontaweson icon to indicate in tree - replace hidden and deprecated icons with fontawesome icons - Refactor the way the icons are placed and removed and use css, i.e. icons are always places, but made visible/invisable with classes So, instead of having a mark for completion, I created an unmark for completion, in order to have mark for completion as the default. It would be good if the progressbar could also make use of this functionality (I think). I also refactored the code that manipulates the icons and states of the tree node. So for example, the background colour of the whole node is changed, instead of only the text and I used font awesome for the icons instead of images. Please feel free to suggest alternatives. I would appreciate some testing of the behaviour (hiding/unhiding pages, unmark/mark for completion, add optional parameter, remove optional parameter) Regards, Tom This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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