[Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Mon Jul 20 10:30:23 BST 2015 

Actually, it's 'Log uit'  :-)

Op 20-7-2015 om 11:23 schreef Julian Tenney:
>
> You like it with an icon as well?
>
> One potential problem here is with languages, as any longer text makes 
> the button wrap and it screws the layout up. Presumably the Dutch for 
> ‘logout’ is something ‘Getmethehelloutahere’ so that was why it was 
> indented to the right slightly before?
>
> *From:*Tenney Julian
> *Sent:* 20 July 2015 09:58
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> Brill, thanks.
>
>
> Fine with the logos. I think we should assume the apereo one will be 
> often replaced with an institution’s own logo / branding, so that’s fine.
>
> I’ll fix up the logout button, no problem.
>
> I can make the buttons a fixed width, or push the margins out a  bit 
> to make them a little bigger, however all browsers handle buttons 
> slightly differently, so it won’t be wholly consistent unless we use 
> images.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Mitchell
> *Sent:* 17 July 2015 21:57
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> Hi all
>
> I've added a panel of footer logos and added a few comments along with 
> the commit. For me I think it was important to get these in place as 
> clickable links to the respective sites rather than just background 
> images. To avoid too much duplication I've reverted the top right logo 
> back to just the apereo logo but that's easily changed back if you 
> think the OSI logo should apear there too.
>
> Reflecting on all the changes we've made today (see IE screenshot 
> below) I think we're nearly there but I think we should consider the 
> following changes:
>
> 1. The logout button should be reverted back to the words 'logout' - 
> to make it very clear what that button does without needing to hover. 
> There's no need to save space in that area.
>
> 2. I think the projects panel buttons are a little bit too small and 
> should be made a bit larger. Firefox seems to exaggerate the size 
> compared with Chrome and IE (see the comparison between Julian's 
> screenshot and this one from IE.
>
> There's a resolution difference here but you can see the difference 
> between IE and Firefox with this next screenshot. It's not massive but 
> I think there's room to make the button/icon size a bit bigger:
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of 
> *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 17 July 2015 14:52
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> If I look at the central panel and tidy that up, do you want to look 
> at the bottom third?
>
> This is where I am with things (crikey it seems to have taken all 
> day!). The icons mean the workspace area can be a lot smaller without 
> going screwy.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Mitchell
> *Sent:* 17 July 2015 10:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> Aside from closing the 6 issues we currently have on github flagged as 
> v3 release personally I think the most important thing with this is 
> getting a panel of logos complete with links in the footer somewhere. 
> I don't think your solution of adding the OSI logo alongside the 
> Apereo logo top right is the right solution for 2 reasons:
>
> 1. The vast majority of organisations using Xerte that I know of (and 
> I'm sure Tom echos this) want their own logo either top right or top 
> left. We have a built-in solution for that but it means one or other 
> of the 'official' logos get removed.
>
> 2. Ideally I think we want each of the logos to also link off to the 
> relevant site pages.
>
> The CSS isn't right, especially the logos, but something like this?
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of 
> *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 17 July 2015 09:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> Not sure authoring on phones is viable though? My Asus transformer has 
> 800 px width; the iPad 750, which ought to be plenty. Do we want to 
> progress looking at this before we release the code? I’m happy to do 
> the work, but find it a bit slow picking through the code / 
> implications for languages, and I’m a bit time limited over the next 
> few weeks.
>
> Perhaps make it a 3.1 thing and get concentrate on getting v3.0 out 
> the door
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Mitchell
> *Sent:* 16 July 2015 17:06
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> > How wide is portrait view on a tablet?<
>
> What tablet? ;-)
>
> Attached is a screenshot from my iPad - appears to be 1536px wide in 
> Portrait view. But I suspect the lowest common denominator is less 
> than that. e.g.
>
> http://www.websitedimensions.com/pixel/
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of 
> *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 July 2015 16:01
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> This looks nicer I think (I haven’t managed to sort the search box 
> styles yet). Presumably we can fix a minimum width for the panel? 
> Things get screwy when it is smaller than about 540 pixels. How wide 
> is portrait view on a tablet?
>
> I know these are small issues compared to a lot of things we’ve worked 
> through lately, but for some users, the look and feel is really 
> important and sometimes it’s just a few small things that really make 
> the difference.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Mitchell
> *Sent:* 16 July 2015 15:38
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> Not wedded to the search box being at the top.
>
> Although I wondered about the How to, feedback and site links etc 
> being in an orange menu to the right of the Sort menu and then leaving 
> space for a centered logo panel in the footer.
>
> Shouldn't the heading you've added by My Projects and left aligned?
>
> Agree the middle panel should be wider by default and the left panel 
> narrower to accommodate that.
>
> Something like this mock up?
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of 
> *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 July 2015 14:54
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> I was thinking it makes sense to have similar things in proximity. 
> Both the search and the sort are to do with the workspace items, it 
> makes sense to me to put these controls together.
>
> Also this is a consistency thing: some tabs have titles, some don’t. 
> Either let’s give them all titles, or let’s lose the big header on the 
> tabs altogether maybe: if it’s not serving any purpose, why use the 
> space? Also with this, the headers create a division / barrier between 
> the projects and the controls to edit / properties etc. Previously 
> these controls were much more clearly associated with the list of 
> projects in the workspace. Could we put those buttons in the header 
> perhaps? It does make sense that they are more closely associated with 
> the project list, as the projects are the things they control.
>
> By default the project details tab, the central one, doesn’t look very 
> nice as it’s very narrow.
>
> This is what we have now, which I like a lot: it’s clean / FWS etc.
>
> And this is what we have in x3 which looks nice, but could still do 
> with a few tweaks to make it really lovely:
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Mitchell
> *Sent:* 16 July 2015 14:44
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
>
> I would leave the search box where it is but make it less wide and put 
> the title to the left. It seems more inuititive to have the search at 
> the top rather than the bottom.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of 
> *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 July 2015 14:31
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Workspace Layout
>
> What do you think of the idea of moving the search box down next to 
> the ‘Sort your files’ drop down, and then we can give all three tabs 
> titles:
>
> Your Projects, Project Details, Project Templates
>
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