[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

[Pat @ Pgogy]

Also - nerd point

Would this sort of SaaS possibly need multisite?


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Pat @ Pgogy <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>wrote:

> The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some
> people won't.
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> I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could
>
> We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom
> a small paid for service would make sense.
>
> Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership
> approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is
> driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole
> (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the
> development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the
> community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open
> as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model)
>
> However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical
>
> No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly
> education?
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> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
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>> > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's
>> no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with
>> service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without
>> involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).****
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>> ** **
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>> It’s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ‘free’ side
>> of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to
>> pay for is better. The commercial organisations I’ve worked in would
>> definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no
>> support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a
>> barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren’t as good
>> as ours charging a lot of money for a year’s access, it’s not just a tenner
>> here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume.
>> ****
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>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy
>> *Sent:* 18 October 2013 09:37
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>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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>> Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true… with far more
>> cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or
>> LDAP authentication).****
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>> Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for
>> Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently
>> reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's
>> an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process.****
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>> ** **
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>> These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no
>> visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with
>> service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without
>> involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).****
>>
>> ** **
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>> These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable
>> simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because
>> it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability
>> to spend time understanding how the software works.****
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>> Regards,****
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>> Mark****
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>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:****
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>> At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house****
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>> particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective
>> is****
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>> to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work.****
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>> -----Original Message-----****
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>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk****
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>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney****
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>> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54****
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>> To: For Xerte technical developers****
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>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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>> I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.*
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>> There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd
>> ****
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>> prefer it was us.****
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>> ________________________________________****
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>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk****
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>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John****
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>> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30****
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>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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>> oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-)****
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>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney****
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>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]****
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>> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26****
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>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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>> I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only
>> ****
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>> £20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere
>> to****
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>> earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me,****
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>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk****
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>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders****
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>> Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03****
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>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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>> We might want to transfer the contents of the database...****
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>> Tom****
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>> Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30:****
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>> RIP old wiki…****
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>> To: For Xerte technical developers****
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>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net****
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>> Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to
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>> say the domain registration is about to lapse. It’s where the old wiki is
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>> are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away?****
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