[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

[Pat @ Pgogy]

The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some
people won't.

I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could

We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a
small paid for service would make sense.

Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership
approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is
driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole
(the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the
development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the
community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open
as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model)

However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical

No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly
education?






On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's
> no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with
> service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without
> involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).****
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> It’s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ‘free’ side
> of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to
> pay for is better. The commercial organisations I’ve worked in would
> definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no
> support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a
> barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren’t as good
> as ours charging a lot of money for a year’s access, it’s not just a tenner
> here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume.
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy
> *Sent:* 18 October 2013 09:37
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> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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> Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true… with far more
> cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or
> LDAP authentication).****
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> Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for
> Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently
> reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's
> an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process.****
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> These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no
> visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with
> service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without
> involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).****
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> These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable
> simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because
> it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability
> to spend time understanding how the software works.****
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> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:****
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> At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house****
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> particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective
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> to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work.****
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> -----Original Message-----****
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk****
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> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
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> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54****
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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> I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.**
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> There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd
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> prefer it was us.****
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> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John****
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> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30****
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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> oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-)****
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> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney****
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> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26****
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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> I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only
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> £20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to
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> earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me,****
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> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders****
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> Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03****
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net****
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> We might want to transfer the contents of the database...****
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> Tom****
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> Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30:****
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> RIP old wiki…****
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> Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to*
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