From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 1 08:53:59 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:53:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 In-Reply-To: <5249E1B8.5040905@tor.nl> References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C826F41CC@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <5249DA6B.10006@tor.nl> <5249E1B8.5040905@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813417@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> So now when I pull from 2.1 I?m getting everything I should? Git still holds some mysteries for me as well! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 30 September 2013 21:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 After push... [cid:image001.png at 01CEBE83.C4B2D2D0] Op 30-9-2013 22:11, Smith, John schreef: Yes, if you are happy then go for it... :-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 30 September 2013 21:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Yes I can. I did it locally (merge develop into 2.1, and then 2.1 into develop to get the upload changes) It looks like this: [cid:part1.07010201.03090300 at tor.nl] Shall I push this? Tom Op 30-9-2013 21:49, Smith, John schreef: Hi all, So I've committed the changes to both upload.php files which takes MoovRelocator out of the upload path as Ron highlighted an important fact - it didn't work... still not sure why but it just seems to unreliable to leave it in there at least... Now, the other point (and maybe Tom knows how to resolve this) is that I appear to have screwed things up a little... the work I was doing for Alistair is also now committed (might still make a change or two though) but as it was a gitflow feature branch from develop then SourceTree would only let me end the feature back on develop... so now These are sitting on the other branch. I know there most likely is a way (although I have no idea how) but can develop now be merged back into 2.1? Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 30 September 2013 10:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 OK, no worries, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 September 2013 10:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Hi all. I haven't committed the change to upload yet as i haven't had time yet but will today. I plan to take moovrelocator out of the direct upload path completely as there are too many unknowns and add it to the media quota tab but doubt that will happen for the v2.1 release. I think the other thing that needs to be tested well is video playback. I've upgraded mediaelements in develop since v2.0 to take advantage of better browser compatibility. Has been flawless in my testing so should be ok but would like to be sure that haven't inadvertently broken a page model... Also, please do not release final version until Alistair's new feature goes in. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi Tom I just tested this, although not fully, but I wanted to test if the mp4 issue John and I have been discussing still exists with this beta and it does. I don't know if you've followed that thread but from my testing on 3 different servers the moovrelocator code is causing an error when uploading mp4 files whereby the mp4 fails to upload. mp4 upload works fine via media & quota but not via the editor. John can't reproduce this on xampp but it's a problem for me on 3 different linux servers. John tweaked upload.php to bypass the moovrelocator code until we can identify and resolve the cause of this problem and I thought John said he'd committed that change? I think that temporary fix ought to be part of the beta until we can work out the cause/solution? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 29 September 2013 14:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 I've created a 2.1-beta zip build. It's available on the community website: http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?Itemid=510 (in the Xerte Online Toolkits section) In this way, mor people can test the upcoming 2.1 release. As soon as we are comfortable with this, I'll remove this in favour of a zip of master (being called 2.1) at that point. after 2.1 is released, we've fully completed the transfer to git: - master will have the current release (2.1) - develop will have the unstable release. After releasing 2.1 I think we should not support 2.0 any more (no disruptive changes as far as I know) so there will be no maintenance brach of 2.0. Does this make sense? Regards, Tom Op 27-9-2013 9:35, Julian Tenney schreef: Done so. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 27 September 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Er, yes, I think so! -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 27 September 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Are we going to create a release branch? Op 27-9-2013 9:23, Julian Tenney schreef: Nice one. Will start testing what's there next week, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 26 September 2013 21:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 I just committed my last bugfix of my list for 2.1... Op 20-9-2013 11:14, Smith, John schreef: Yeah just add any bugs/issues to github and i will try to pick them up when I can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 20 September 2013 08:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 OK then. I might setup a local install and start testing and reporting stuff anyway. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 September 2013 16:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 The first for me... I won't get the stuff I need to do in by this weekend... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:02 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Both... :-) Op 19-9-2013 16:40, Julian Tenney schreef: What works for you? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 September 2013 15:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 End of september to finish functionality and start testing or finish functionality say this weekend, and start testing with the aim to relase end of september? Op 19-9-2013 15:44, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Shall we aim for end of September? How shall we do testing? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 September 2013 14:42 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Looks nice! I also don't see any reason why not to have the logos, especially since they are configurable if you want! Theming would be nice, although that theming for the LO's has a higher priority. And like John says, Theming is likely to improve the quality of the code. Tom Op 19-9-2013 15:29, Smith, John schreef: I don't see any reason not to have UoN logos there... their IPR after all and if it's relatively easy to change then... I agree theming would be good... I think we should aim for a very clean file and try to remove all inline styles and inline javascript where possible. Then it will be a case of just changing css. This would allow for example similar invert and black-on-yellow modes to address Alistairs requirements without too much effort... The main xenith engine file isn't quite as lean as it could be but at least the layout parts are pretty clean of code/style - I still have a few things to do in there then I'm done with that file for a while - happier now that it plays in IE6-10 quite well now (although there is still that compatibility mode issue)... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:18 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 No it was the HTML5 media viewer, a few other things. I've got some potential deigns to show you guys actually, see attached. I'm not 100% happy with any of them just yet, but I think the elements / colours are there. Maybe we should do this as a theming thing, then people can choose? I also wonder (quietly) whether we should have the UoN logos in there or not. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 September 2013 14:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Yes, what has Nikodem been working on? The workspace redesign? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:10 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 That all sounds good, thanks. Let's let it roll a couple of week s then. The reason for updating our code here is so Nikodem's changes can go out, and it will just be easier to drop the whole file set over the top than check whether anything has changed in dependent files (though I don't think it has). From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 September 2013 14:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 Alistair is looking at it, few minor tweaks to get it ready for consumption... has a lot of model specific stuff (mainly class and id names used by specific models for colour changing purposes) in there though which I don't really want as it makes maintenance a nightmare... What I have started though, that should help a lot with that is I've modularized xenith core and about 10 or so of the page models so that they can load at any time and they then augment objects/arrays in xenith as required by them - they are fully encapsulated in a closure so don't pollute global and this is the obvious place to put class/id names that are required for colour changer... That will be for v2.2+ though - can't get the other models done before xmas I doubt as there are a few changes to the process... I think you'll like it though. I've managed to split xenith itself down into modules, grouping things like glossary, etc so that they everything to do with that is in the one file and it has it's own private and public vars... For Crockford fans I've used 3 different, module patterns to achieve different augmentations to the new XENITH object... will write up in the wiki when I get them done... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:43 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 How long do you need? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 September 2013 09:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 The colourswitcher button should go in... it's nearly ready... There have been enough fixes I think to warrant a new release, if only to spur people to patch things like the previous youtube issue and the stripslashes problem with moodle integration... But... there are a few things that don't seem to be working properly at present. Categories and Licences in management being the ones that immediately spring to mind... not much though... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk t s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:18 AM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk c .uk>) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Toolkits 2.1 We'd quite like to update our install to the latest files, so I thought maybe we should do a 2.1 and put all the more recent changes out there. It's been six months since the last build was made. Do you see any problems with this? Anyone got anything that would be good to include? Might be a good github trial as well... This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 138941 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Oct 1 11:12:42 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:12:42 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813417@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C826F41CC@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <5249DA6B.10006@tor.nl> <5249E1B8.5040905@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813417@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <67681f5a-08ff-456b-a86d-0f74a83676ba@email.android.com> Yes. Even if you pull from develop you get everything. I'll try to com up with some typical situations and how to handle them in git . Tom Julian Tenney schreef: >So now when I pull from 2.1 I?m getting everything I should? Git still >holds some mysteries for me as well! > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 30 September 2013 21:40 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > >After push... > >[cid:image001.png at 01CEBE83.C4B2D2D0] >Op 30-9-2013 22:11, Smith, John schreef: > >Yes, if you are happy then go for it... :-) > > > >Regards, > > > >John Smith | Learning Technologist > >Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >Glasgow Caledonian University > >Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >________________________________________ > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > >Sent: 30 September 2013 21:09 > >To: For Xerte technical developers > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > >Yes I can. I did it locally (merge develop into 2.1, and then 2.1 into >develop to get the upload changes) > > > >It looks like this: > >[cid:part1.07010201.03090300 at tor.nl] > > > >Shall I push this? > > > >Tom > > > > > >Op 30-9-2013 21:49, Smith, John schreef: > > > >Hi all, > > > >So I've committed the changes to both upload.php files which takes >MoovRelocator out of the upload path as Ron highlighted an important >fact - it didn't work... still not sure why but it just seems to >unreliable to leave it in there at least... > > > >Now, the other point (and maybe Tom knows how to resolve this) is that >I appear to have screwed things up a little... the work I was doing for >Alistair is also now committed (might still make a change or two >though) but as it was a gitflow feature branch from develop then >SourceTree would only let me end the feature back on develop... so now >These are sitting on the other branch. I know there most likely is a >way (although I have no idea how) but can develop now be merged back >into 2.1? > > > >Regards, > > > >John Smith | Learning Technologist > >Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >Glasgow Caledonian University > >Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >________________________________________ > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >[Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > >Sent: 30 September 2013 10:55 > >To: For Xerte technical developers > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > >OK, no worries, > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >John > >Sent: 30 September 2013 10:47 > >To: >xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > >Hi all. I haven't committed the change to upload yet as i haven't had >time yet but will today. > > > >I plan to take moovrelocator out of the direct upload path completely >as there are too many unknowns and add it to the media quota tab but >doubt that will happen for the v2.1 release. > > > >I think the other thing that needs to be tested well is video playback. >I've upgraded mediaelements in develop since v2.0 to take advantage of >better browser compatibility. Has been flawless in my testing so should >be ok but would like to be sure that haven't inadvertently broken a >page model... > > > >Also, please do not release final version until Alistair's new feature >goes in. > > > >Regards > > > >John Smith > >Learning Technologist > >School of Health and Life Sciences > > > >Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > > >Ron Mitchell > >wrote: > > > > > >Hi Tom > >I just tested this, although not fully, but I wanted to test if the mp4 >issue John and I have been discussing still exists with this beta and >it does. > >I don't know if you've followed that thread but from my testing on 3 >different servers the moovrelocator code is causing an error when >uploading mp4 files whereby the mp4 fails to upload. mp4 upload works >fine via media & quota but not via the editor. John can't reproduce >this on xampp but it's a problem for me on 3 different linux servers. >John tweaked upload.php to bypass the moovrelocator code until we can >identify and resolve the cause of this problem and I thought John said >he'd committed that change? > > > >I think that temporary fix ought to be part of the beta until we can >work out the cause/solution? > > > >HTH > >Ron > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders > >Sent: 29 September 2013 14:22 > >To: For Xerte technical developers > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > >I've created a 2.1-beta zip build. > > > >It's available on the community website: > >http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?Itemid=510 > (in the Xerte Online Toolkits section) > > > >In this way, mor people can test the upcoming 2.1 release. As soon as >we are comfortable with this, I'll remove this in favour of a zip of >master (being called 2.1) at that point. > > > >after 2.1 is released, we've fully completed the transfer to git: > > - master will have the current release (2.1) > > - develop will have the unstable release. > > > >After releasing 2.1 I think we should not support 2.0 any more (no >disruptive changes as far as I know) so there will be no maintenance >brach of 2.0. > > > >Does this make sense? > > > >Regards, > > > >Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Op 27-9-2013 9:35, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > >Done so. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney > > > >Sent: 27 September 2013 08:32 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >Er, yes, I think so! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders > > > >Sent: 27 September 2013 08:32 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >Are we going to create a release branch? > > > > > > > >Op 27-9-2013 9:23, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > >Nice one. > > > > > > > >Will start testing what's there next week, > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > > > >Reijnders > > > >Sent: 26 September 2013 21:38 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >I just committed my last bugfix of my list for 2.1... > > > > > > > >Op 20-9-2013 11:14, Smith, John schreef: > > > >Yeah just add any bugs/issues to github and i will try to pick them up >when I can... > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > >Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > > > >Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > >________________________________________ > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > >[Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >Sent: 20 September 2013 08:16 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >OK then. I might setup a local install and start testing and reporting >stuff anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > > >John > > > >Sent: 19 September 2013 16:19 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >The first for me... I won't get the stuff I need to do in by this > > > >weekend... > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >John Smith > > > >Learning Technologist > > > >School of Health & Life Sciences > > > >Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > > >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:02 PM > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >Both... :-) > > > >Op 19-9-2013 16:40, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > >What works for you? > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > > >Sent: 19 September 2013 15:28 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >End of september to finish functionality and start testing or finish >functionality say this weekend, and start testing with the aim to >relase end of september? > > > >Op 19-9-2013 15:44, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > >OK. > > > > > > > >Shall we aim for end of September? > > > > > > > >How shall we do testing? > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > > >Sent: 19 September 2013 14:42 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >Looks nice! > > > > > > > >I also don't see any reason why not to have the logos, especially since >they are configurable if you want! > > > > > > > >Theming would be nice, although that theming for the LO's has a higher >priority. And like John says, Theming is likely to improve the quality >of the code. > > > > > > > >Tom > > > >Op 19-9-2013 15:29, Smith, John schreef: > > > >I don't see any reason not to have UoN logos there... their IPR after > > > >all and if it's relatively easy to change then... > > > > > > > >I agree theming would be good... I think we should aim for a very > > > >clean file and try to remove all inline styles and inline javascript > > > >where possible. Then it will be a case of just changing css. This > > > >would allow for example similar invert and black-on-yellow modes to > > > >address Alistairs requirements without too much effort... > > > > > > > >The main xenith engine file isn't quite as lean as it could be but at > > > >least the layout parts are pretty clean of code/style - I still have > > > >a few things to do in there then I'm done with that file for a while > > > >- happier now that it plays in IE6-10 quite well now (although there > > > >is still that compatibility mode issue)... > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >John Smith > > > >Learning Technologist > > > >School of Health & Life Sciences > > > >Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:18 PM > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >No it was the HTML5 media viewer, a few other things. I've got some >potential deigns to show you guys actually, see attached. I'm not 100% >happy with any of them just yet, but I think the elements / colours are >there. > > > > > > > >Maybe we should do this as a theming thing, then people can choose? > > > > > > > >I also wonder (quietly) whether we should have the UoN logos in there >or not. > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > >Sent: 19 September 2013 14:14 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >Yes, what has Nikodem been working on? The workspace redesign? > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >John Smith > > > >Learning Technologist > > > >School of Health & Life Sciences > > > >Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:10 PM > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >That all sounds good, thanks. Let's let it roll a couple of week s >then. The reason for updating our code here is so Nikodem's changes can >go out, and it will just be easier to drop the whole file set over the >top than check whether anything has changed in dependent files (though >I don't think it has). > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > >Sent: 19 September 2013 14:08 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >Alistair is looking at it, few minor tweaks to get it ready for > > > >consumption... has a lot of model specific stuff (mainly class and id > > > >names used by specific models for colour changing purposes) in there > > > >though which I don't really want as it makes maintenance a nightmare... > > > > > > > >What I have started though, that should help a lot with that is I've > > > >modularized xenith core and about 10 or so of the page models so that > > > >they can load at any time and they then augment objects/arrays in > > > >xenith as required by them - they are fully encapsulated in a closure > > > >so don't pollute global and this is the obvious place to put class/id > > > >names that are required for colour changer... > > > > > > > >That will be for v2.2+ though - can't get the other models done > > > >before xmas I doubt as there are a few changes to the process... I > > > >think you'll like it though. I've managed to split xenith itself down > > > >into modules, grouping things like glossary, etc so that they > > > >everything to do with that is in the one file and it has it's own >private and public vars... > > > > > > > >For Crockford fans I've used 3 different, module patterns to achieve > > > >different augmentations to the new XENITH object... will write up in > > > >the wiki when I get them done... > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >John Smith > > > >Learning Technologist > > > >School of Health & Life Sciences > > > >Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:43 AM > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >How long do you need? > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > >Sent: 19 September 2013 09:38 > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >The colourswitcher button should go in... it's nearly ready... > > > > > > > >There have been enough fixes I think to warrant a new release, if > > > >only to spur people to patch things like the previous youtube issue > > > >and the stripslashes problem with moodle integration... > > > > > > > >But... there are a few things that don't seem to be working properly > > > >at present. Categories and Licences in management being the ones that > > > >immediately spring to mind... not much though... > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >John Smith > > > >Learning Technologist > > > >School of Health & Life Sciences > > > >Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > >From: > > > >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >t >s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > > >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > >On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:18 AM > > > >To: For Xerte technical developers > > > >(xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >c > > > >.uk>) > > > >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Toolkits 2.1 > > > > > > > >We'd quite like to update our install to the latest files, so I thought >maybe we should do a 2.1 and put all the more recent changes out there. >It's been six months since the last build was made. > > > > > > > >Do you see any problems with this? > > > >Anyone got anything that would be good to include? > > > > > > > >Might be a good github trial as well... > > > > > > > > > > > >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. 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First attempt was deployment. From: Tenney Julian Sent: 02 October 2013 10:55 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Colour Changer after Export Shows blank after exporting deployment zip. Shall I post bugs here, or create tickets on github? [cid:image001.png at 01CEBF5E.1BAC49B0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:57 AM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Colour Changer after Export It works OK in archive zip. First attempt was deployment. From: Tenney Julian Sent: 02 October 2013 10:55 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Colour Changer after Export Shows blank after exporting deployment zip. Shall I post bugs here, or create tickets on github? 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:57 AM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Colour Changer after Export It works OK in archive zip. First attempt was deployment. From: Tenney Julian Sent: 02 October 2013 10:55 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Colour Changer after Export Shows blank after exporting deployment zip. Shall I post bugs here, or create tickets on github? 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In-Reply-To: <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> We were wondering where to put it...! We'll find a place. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 03 October 2013 09:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Hi, This was my favourite as well! Nice! I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there ;) Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: ...any comments? We settled on this one: [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC01A.D4B5A5C0] [cid:image002.jpg at 01CEC01A.D4B5A5C0] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21829 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22657 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si Thu Oct 3 09:37:57 2013 From: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Brane_=A9mitek?=) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:37:57 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or somewhere else, like an old version of XOT? Kind regards Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. University of Maribor FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES Kidriceva cesta 55/a SI4000 KRANJ SLOVENIA tel: +386 4 237 42 63 fax: +386 4 237 42 99 e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... We were wondering where to put it.! We'll find a place. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 03 October 2013 09:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Hi, This was my favourite as well! Nice! I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there ;) Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: .any comments? We settled on this one: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Brane ?mitek Sent: 03 October 2013 09:38 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or somewhere else, like an old version of XOT? Kind regards Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. University of Maribor FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES Kidriceva cesta 55/a SI4000 KRANJ SLOVENIA tel: +386 4 237 42 63 fax: +386 4 237 42 99 e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... We were wondering where to put it...! We'll find a place. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 03 October 2013 09:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Hi, This was my favourite as well! Nice! I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there ;) Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: ...any comments? We settled on this one: [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC021.9125A420] [cid:image002.jpg at 01CEC021.9125A420] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> I think we've discussed this before - ideally the language selection should be available when logged in as well as prior to login. Also perhaps not for this next release but for a future release can we move the theme type stuff for moth the workspace and the interface to a root folder e.g. themes like Moodle? It's a real pain drilling down into website_code and Nottingham template etc to avoid overwriting customisations on existing installs when upgrading. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 03 October 2013 10:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Yes, or bottom right in the white space? I think it needs to be on the login page somewhere, otherwise if you need it you won't be able to find it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Brane ?mitek Sent: 03 October 2013 09:38 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or somewhere else, like an old version of XOT? Kind regards Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. University of Maribor FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES Kidriceva cesta 55/a SI4000 KRANJ SLOVENIA tel: +386 4 237 42 63 fax: +386 4 237 42 99 e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... We were wondering where to put it.! We'll find a place. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 03 October 2013 09:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Hi, This was my favourite as well! Nice! I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there ;) Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: .any comments? We settled on this one: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21829 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F7D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 October 2013 10:53 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... I think we've discussed this before - ideally the language selection should be available when logged in as well as prior to login. Also perhaps not for this next release but for a future release can we move the theme type stuff for moth the workspace and the interface to a root folder e.g. themes like Moodle? It's a real pain drilling down into website_code and Nottingham template etc to avoid overwriting customisations on existing installs when upgrading. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 03 October 2013 10:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Yes, or bottom right in the white space? I think it needs to be on the login page somewhere, otherwise if you need it you won't be able to find it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Brane ?mitek Sent: 03 October 2013 09:38 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or somewhere else, like an old version of XOT? Kind regards Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. University of Maribor FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES Kidriceva cesta 55/a SI4000 KRANJ SLOVENIA tel: +386 4 237 42 63 fax: +386 4 237 42 99 e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... We were wondering where to put it...! We'll find a place. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 03 October 2013 09:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Hi, This was my favourite as well! Nice! I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there ;) Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: ...any comments? We settled on this one: [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC027.19DC7960] [cid:image002.jpg at 01CEC027.19DC7960] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21829 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22657 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Oct 3 11:07:16 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 12:07:16 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... In-Reply-To: <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> It is at the moment. Op 3-10-2013 11:53, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > I think we've discussed this before - ideally the language selection > should be available when logged in as well as prior to login. > > Also perhaps not for this next release but for a future release can we > move the theme type stuff for moth the workspace and the interface to > a root folder e.g. themes like Moodle? It's a real pain drilling down > into website_code and Nottingham template etc to avoid overwriting > customisations on existing installs when upgrading. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 10:16 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... > > Yes, or bottom right in the white space? I think it needs to be on the > login page somewhere, otherwise if you need it you won't be able to > find it. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brane > S(mitek > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 09:38 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... > > What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or > somewhere else, like an old version of XOT? > > Kind regards > > Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. > University of Maribor > FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES > Kidriceva cesta 55/a > SI4000 KRANJ > SLOVENIA > > tel: +386 4 237 42 63 > fax: +386 4 237 42 99 > e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... > > We were wondering where to put it...! We'll find a place. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Inge > Donkervoort 12Change > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 09:27 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... > > Hi, > > This was my favourite as well! Nice! > I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be > there ;) > > Bye, > Inge > > 12Change > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242 HM Rosmalen > T 073-5226195 > F 073-5226196 > E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > I www.12change.eu > > T twitter > L linkedIn > > > Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: > > ...any comments? We settled on this one: > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 21829 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 03 October 2013 11:07 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... It is at the moment. Op 3-10-2013 11:53, Ron Mitchell schreef: I think we've discussed this before - ideally the language selection should be available when logged in as well as prior to login. Also perhaps not for this next release but for a future release can we move the theme type stuff for moth the workspace and the interface to a root folder e.g. themes like Moodle? It's a real pain drilling down into website_code and Nottingham template etc to avoid overwriting customisations on existing installs when upgrading. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 03 October 2013 10:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Yes, or bottom right in the white space? I think it needs to be on the login page somewhere, otherwise if you need it you won't be able to find it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Brane ?mitek Sent: 03 October 2013 09:38 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or somewhere else, like an old version of XOT? Kind regards Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. University of Maribor FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES Kidriceva cesta 55/a SI4000 KRANJ SLOVENIA tel: +386 4 237 42 63 fax: +386 4 237 42 99 e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... We were wondering where to put it...! We'll find a place. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 03 October 2013 09:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... Hi, This was my favourite as well! Nice! I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there ;) Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: ...any comments? We settled on this one: [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC02A.87A3EE30] [cid:image002.jpg at 01CEC02A.87A3EE30] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21829 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have one question to you: Which are the quality criteria of a learning path in order to be assessed as an "excellent" learning path? Help us on http://bit.ly/1hnaRtJ We also post this question on twitter with hastag #Xerte in English and Dutch. More information about the Xerte event in Flanders follows soon. Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Katrien Bernaerts | Projectbegeleider Toll-net Mobiel: +32 496 523058 Tel.: +32 2 514 19 00 (Provinciaal Onderwijs Vlaanderen) e-mail: katrien.bernaerts at toll-net.be website: http://www.toll-net.be skype: katrienb twitter: kbernaerts linkedin: http://be.linkedin.com/pub/katrien-bernaerts/10/55b/95 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Katrien Bernaerts | Projectbegeleider Toll-net Mobiel: +32 496 523058 Tel.: +32 2 514 19 00 (Provinciaal Onderwijs Vlaanderen) e-mail: katrien.bernaerts at toll-net.be?? website: http://www.toll-net.be skype: katrienb twitter: kbernaerts linkedin: http://be.linkedin.com/pub/katrien-bernaerts/10/55b/95 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Oct 3 19:32:09 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:32:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New look... In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: tempted to add should the new "strip" and the bottom "strip" be collapsable to give more space to the work area Also - work area buttons - allow for one as a drop down for some future proofing? Or to make a more powerful front page - so export could move here, as an example? Export not really a "property" On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > It will be on both pages.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 11:07 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look...**** > > ** ** > > It is at the moment. **** > > Op 3-10-2013 11:53, Ron Mitchell schreef:**** > > I think we've discussed this before - ideally the language selection > should be available when logged in as well as prior to login.**** > > **** > > Also perhaps not for this next release but for a future release can we > move the theme type stuff for moth the workspace and the interface to a > root folder e.g. themes like Moodle? It's a real pain drilling down into > website_code and Nottingham template etc to avoid overwriting > customisations on existing installs when upgrading.**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 10:16 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look...**** > > **** > > Yes, or bottom right in the white space? I think it needs to be on the > login page somewhere, otherwise if you need it you won?t be able to find it. > **** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Brane ?mitek > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 09:38 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look...**** > > **** > > What do you think about top line of the screen near XOT logo or somewhere > else, like an old version of XOT?**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > Kind regards **** > > Branislav SMITEK Ph.D. > University of Maribor > FACULTY OF ORGANIZATIONAL SCIENCES > Kidriceva cesta 55/a > SI4000 KRANJ > SLOVENIA **** > > tel: +386 4 237 42 63 > fax: +386 4 237 42 99 > e-mail: brane.smitek at fov.uni-mb.si **** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:28 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look...**** > > **** > > We were wondering where to put it?! We?ll find a place.**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Inge Donkervoort 12Change > *Sent:* 03 October 2013 09:27 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New look...**** > > **** > > Hi, > > This was my favourite as well! Nice! > I miss the field for choosing the language, but I asume that will be there > ;) > > Bye, > Inge**** > > 1 2 Change > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242 HM Rosmalen > T 073-5226195 > F 073-5226196 > E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > I www.12change.eu > > T twitter > L linkedIn **** > > > Op 3-10-2013 10:21, Julian Tenney schreef: **** > > ?any comments? 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Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 12Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > > There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get > rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but > it's quite a bit of work. > > Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain > the flexibility of the authoring tool. > > What do you mean by 'change the design'? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Inge > Donkervoort 12Change > *Sent:* 07 October 2013 14:59 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Editor > > Hi, > > I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT > (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask > this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. > Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... > > Bye, > Inge > > 12Change > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242 HM Rosmalen > T 073-5226195 > F 073-5226196 > E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > I www.12change.eu > > T twitter > L linkedIn > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete > it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in > this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by > the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the > University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC408.03C752A0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Once October has settled down I'll revisit it and try to progress for the next (or subsequent) version release... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:03 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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It would be good to enable themes and have those options per LO rather than sitewide or as well as site wide. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 09:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 11:05:55 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:05:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <02a801cec40a$5b4cf410$11e6dc30$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <02a801cec40a$5b4cf410$11e6dc30$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> As long as it doesn't get easy to make something bad. WYSIWYG and colours / styles make bad stuff easy to make. Bad stuff should be hard to make in toolkits. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 10:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I did a more basic customisation for all the LO's available from http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk e.g. a green interface rather than black but had to change all the button graphics to do that and it applies installation wide. It would be good to enable themes and have those options per LO rather than sitewide or as well as site wide. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 09:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC416.5C31B850] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 11:06 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor As long as it doesn't get easy to make something bad. WYSIWYG and colours / styles make bad stuff easy to make. Bad stuff should be hard to make in toolkits. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 10:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I did a more basic customisation for all the LO's available from http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk e.g. a green interface rather than black but had to change all the button graphics to do that and it applies installation wide. It would be good to enable themes and have those options per LO rather than sitewide or as well as site wide. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 09:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC417.16CF7670] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 11:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Everyone's impression of what's good and bad isn't the same though... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 11:06 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor As long as it doesn't get easy to make something bad. WYSIWYG and colours / styles make bad stuff easy to make. Bad stuff should be hard to make in toolkits. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 10:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I did a more basic customisation for all the LO's available from http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk e.g. a green interface rather than black but had to change all the button graphics to do that and it applies installation wide. It would be good to enable themes and have those options per LO rather than sitewide or as well as site wide. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 09:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC417.73DCDFB0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. > You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really > nice, but took a bit of work:**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Inge Donkervoort > 12Change > *Sent:* 08 October 2013 00:23 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor**** > > ** ** > > Really like to hear about the work that John did :) > People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using > the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... > > Bye, > Inge**** > > 1 2 Change > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242 HM Rosmalen > T 073-5226195 > F 073-5226196 > E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > I www.12change.eu > > T twitter > L linkedIn **** > > > Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: **** > > There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid > of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it?s > quite a bit of work.**** > > **** > > Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the > flexibility of the authoring tool.**** > > **** > > What do you mean by ?change the design??**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Inge Donkervoort 12Change > *Sent:* 07 October 2013 14:59 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Editor**** > > **** > > Hi, > > I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). > Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's > the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the > possibility to change the design ;)... > > Bye, > Inge**** > > 1 2 Change > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242 HM Rosmalen > T 073-5226195 > F 073-5226196 > E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > I www.12change.eu > > T twitter > L linkedIn **** > > > > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > **** > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC41B.59DE8740] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... 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I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC42D.9EF1EB30] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Not sure what I can easily do to mask / hide that. Hmm. [cid:image003.png at 01CEC42E.B8659D90] From: Tenney Julian Sent: 08 October 2013 13:52 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image004.png at 01CEC42E.B8659D90] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC42F.2C3E4AF0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC434.FAE10F00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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I should pose more questions more often. ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch. ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. 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It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC43F.1E25F1B0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Was never sure whether it was the right place but seemed the best I could come up with... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:58 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC43F.D621B4C0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC43F.FC0B8440] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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But they're OK where they are for the time being. Niko has nearly finished the new look and feel BTW, so we should start pushing on towards 2.1 once that's committed. I tested surface-deep last week and didn't find anything wrong really, but I suspect any issues are to do with quite specific use cases. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I put the MoovRelocator in the /library folder (for it's relatively shortlived life!!). Was never sure whether it was the right place but seemed the best I could come up with... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:58 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC440.6246A0F0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC440.CA94BF20] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC441.0BE7C4E0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 16:13:48 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:13:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC441.5F13E220] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image003.png at 01CEC441.5F13E220] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 16:16:00 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:16:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC441.AD9981C0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC441.AD9981C0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.0E5E9BD0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 16:18:41 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3023@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Other than the way it looks in the editor, as you end up with the > blahs From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes and your icon code going through to the Title of the LO... ;-) Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:14 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC442.0DB4C740] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.0DB4C740] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 16:19:41 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:19:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Do we still need the Bootstrap template then ;-P Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:16 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC442.315D8060] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.315D8060] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do we still need the Bootstrap template then ;-P Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:16 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC442.373D1A40] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.373D1A40] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff... won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC443.1F561070] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC443.1F561070] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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How can we use font awesome without having to load the bootstrap css? From: Tenney Julian Sent: 08 October 2013 16:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff... won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC447.9E9685F0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC447.9E9685F0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 17:01:07 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 17:01:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3070@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3070@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3075@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It's OK, you can just not load the bootstrap css and it still works. Should have spotted it making the LO title bigger earlier... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:59 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes, we do unfortunately. How can we use font awesome without having to load the bootstrap css? From: Tenney Julian Sent: 08 October 2013 16:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff... won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC447.FAF0CBD0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC447.FAF0CBD0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Oct 8 16:30:44 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:30:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00c801cec43b$5bb6e330$1324a990$@co.uk> Yeah I think we do still need the separate 'site' aka bootstrap template because we don't all have access to the kind of all singing all dancing cms tools found in some places! ;-) Moodle is getting more and more bootstrap integration so it's good to keep in sync with all that! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do we still need the Bootstrap template then ;-P Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:16 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor .except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often. ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch. ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Oct 8 16:39:25 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:39:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E302F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E302F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00d401cec43c$920adb70$b6209250$@co.uk> You can use font awesome without bootstrap if there are clashes? Regarding the code showing in the tree and window title - perhaps a separate title icon property in the wizard at some future point? I've just been working on a moodle site and theme where the form field just has the icon name and the rest must get appended via php etc. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff. won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor .except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often. ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch. ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Oct 8 17:15:37 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 17:15:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3070@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3070@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <010701cec441$a1464b60$e3d2e220$@co.uk> You switched on that mailing list delay switch again? ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:59 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes, we do unfortunately. How can we use font awesome without having to load the bootstrap css? From: Tenney Julian Sent: 08 October 2013 16:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff. won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor .except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often. ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch. ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:20 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Horses for courses. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do we still need the Bootstrap template then ;-P Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:16 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC442.ED412C00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.ED412C00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 419816 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Wed Oct 9 14:44:01 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:44:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E302F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E302F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Try it on the Nottingham 560 template or Ron's one with a lot more pages. If they all work or mostly do then leave it in... bugs are all part of the journey and we can't find them all without user testing and if the only way we can do that is the Microsoft way then so be it... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:26 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff... won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC444.50A1E310] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC444.50A1E310] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 09 October 2013 14:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Obviously I jest? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:20 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Horses for courses. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do we still need the Bootstrap template then ;-P Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:16 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ?except they don?t all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I?ll have a look, ?cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC442.ED412C00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] ?No, it?s font-awesome!? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It?s a good call. I?ve put the local copies in, and use them: so they?ll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven?t touched the export code, but suspect it isn?t too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often? ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give ?em an inch? ;-) I?ve done that now. I haven?t added them to the export code ? I?m not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it?ll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I?m not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn?t we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.ED412C00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it?s quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by ?change the design?? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 9 15:41:21 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 15:41:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813E94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <524D2A3F.7090309@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813EA3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005501cec013$dc8728c0$95957a40$@fov.uni-mb.si> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813F19@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005801cec01e$5c4ee7f0$14ecb7d0$@co.uk> <524D41D4.8080208@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C82813FBD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5252BE3B.7050406@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2A0C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <52534252.8010508@12change.eu> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2BF5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2D86@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <001301cec421$83e37590$8baa60b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2EA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2F2F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <005a01cec435$ab4cc910$01e65b30$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FDB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E2FF6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3010@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3017@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E301C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C830E3025@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C83512F42@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Oh flippin heck. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 October 2013 14:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I sent this yesterday!! Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 09 October 2013 14:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Obviously I jest... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:20 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Horses for courses. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do we still need the Bootstrap template then ;-P Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:16 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC442.ED412C00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC442.ED412C00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Wed Oct 9 15:59:57 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 15:59:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Message-ID: And this one... Straight away in response to your email... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Smith, John" wrote: Try it on the Nottingham 560 template or Ron?s one with a lot more pages. If they all work or mostly do then leave it in? bugs are all part of the journey and we can?t find them all without user testing and if the only way we can do that is the Microsoft way then so be it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:26 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff? won?t bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ?except they don?t all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I?ll have a look, ?cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC444.50A1E310] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] ?No, it?s font-awesome!? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It?s a good call. I?ve put the local copies in, and use them: so they?ll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven?t touched the export code, but suspect it isn?t too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often? ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give ?em an inch? ;-) I?ve done that now. I haven?t added them to the export code ? I?m not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it?ll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I?m not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn?t we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC444.50A1E310] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it?s quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by ?change the design?? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe we should start adding some similar stuff into our own css at some point, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 October 2013 16:00 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor And this one... Straight away in response to your email... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Smith, John" wrote: Try it on the Nottingham 560 template or Ron's one with a lot more pages. If they all work or mostly do then leave it in... bugs are all part of the journey and we can't find them all without user testing and if the only way we can do that is the Microsoft way then so be it... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:26 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Are we going to bump inot things if we add bootstrap to the Xerte styles? That could be showstopper for that font-awesome stuff... won't bootstrap start overriding styles / tags etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor ...except they don't all work! Maybe I missed something from the library, or it needs setting up differently. I'll have a look, 'cos they would be pretty handy. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor I tell you what is awesome, you have all the bootstrap components in xerte now: [cid:image001.png at 01CEC444.50A1E310] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 16:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor [adopts Partridge-esque tone] "No, it's font-awesome!" From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 16:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yes that is awesome... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:04 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor BTW I like the way you can stack two or more icons together: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/examples/#stacked From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 15:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Just like the old days! It's a good call. I've put the local copies in, and use them: so they'll need keeping up to date. It means we have bootstrap in two places, so we should look at a common place for shared stuff. I haven't touched the export code, but suspect it isn't too much to add in the new folders; also I just took the downloads and put them in there, I suspect we only need the .min.css files. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 15:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, you pose a question, go away, come back, and it's done! I should pose more questions more often... ;-) I can see John's point about local copies but It's great to have this even if only online - should help to brighten up all those plain text pages at the very least! Very easy to include the icons at different sizes too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Crikey, give 'em an inch... ;-) I've done that now. I haven't added them to the export code - I'm not too familiar with that, so probably easier if Tom does it (it'll just be the two font-awesome folder and bootstrap folder in the Xerte template and the font-awesome folder in the site template (I'm not sure if this exports at all?) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 08 October 2013 14:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Shouldn't we include local copies so that offline LOs benefit too?? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:52 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah, OK. I just added the links to the CDN stylesheet to rloObject.htm in modulkes/xerte/player_html5 and to play.php and preview.php for the bootstrap template. Thanks. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 08 October 2013 13:26 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Yeah I think a drop down for installed themes would be good. We already have the ability to override styles on a per LO basis but not so easy to deal with the button images that way. On a not completely un-related note anyone looked at including Font Awesome for both the XOT template as well as Bootstrap? Indeed is it in the latter already or is there an easy way to include it? http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/ Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 08 October 2013 11:42 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Maybe a drop down for installed themes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 October 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Do you think we should have a property page for look and feel? I am thinking of the "hobbler" script I use for single page LOs as a handy display short cut? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We probably need to make it easy for people to design and apply themes. You can override the stylesheet: someone here did this, which looks really nice, but took a bit of work: [cid:image002.png at 01CEC444.50A1E310] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 08 October 2013 00:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Editor Really like to hear about the work that John did :) People want to change the colours and buttons. I have to look into using the stylesheet a bit more. Haven't have time for that.... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 7-10-2013 16:03, Julian Tenney schreef: There is a desire to change the editor to one written in HTML5 and get rid of the Flash one. I think John has got some progress with it, but it's quite a bit of work. Personally I think it would be very hard to do WYSIWYG and maintain the flexibility of the authoring tool. What do you mean by 'change the design'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Inge Donkervoort 12Change Sent: 07 October 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Editor Hi, I heard there are 'plans' for a another editor in Xerte/XOT (wysiwyg?). Does anyone have information for me about that? I ask this because it's the number 1 question for people working with XOT. Number two is the possibility to change the design ;)... Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Oct 10 13:34:36 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:34:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C87D3944D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for Teachers list? Or the Community forums? What do you think? [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC5BD.7659CAD0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 37728 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Oct 10 14:08:30 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:08:30 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C87D3944D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C87D3944D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5256A6CE.7000608@tor.nl> A manual? List of handy open source tools (audacity, paint.net etc.) A link to a specific resource, and then ending up on the techdis website and/or community website (or any of the other suggestions) works best in my experience. Op 10-10-2013 14:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other > resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte > site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for > Teachers list? Or the Community forums? What do you think? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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List of handy open source tools (audacity, paint.net etc.) A link to a specific resource, and then ending up on the techdis website and/or community website (or any of the other suggestions) works best in my experience. Op 10-10-2013 14:34, Julian Tenney schreef: Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for Teachers list? Or the Community forums? What do you think? [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC5C2.80A1FCB0] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A page on the community site? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 10 October 2013 14:09 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links > > A manual? > List of handy open source tools (audacity, paint.net etc.) > A link to a specific resource, and then ending up on the techdis > website and/or community website (or any of the other suggestions) > works best in my experience. > > Op 10-10-2013 14:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other > resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham > Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte > for Teachers list? Or the Community forums? What do you think? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN?T UPDATED IT???**** > > ** ** > > ;-)**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell > *Sent:* 10 October 2013 14:51 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links**** > > ** ** > > Before it becomes out of date you can link to my simulation if you want - > screenshots will be out of date though! :-(**** > > http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/play.php?template_id=68 **** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 10 October 2013 13:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links**** > > ** ** > > Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the ?Other resources? > links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis > resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for Teachers list? Or the > Community forums? What do you think?**** > > ** ** > > **** > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 37728 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Sun Oct 13 19:15:25 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:15:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Lost projects during upgrade Message-ID: Hi there, I've just taken my dev site from 2.0 to 2.1 beta - taken from XOT-master on Github, using the Easy upgrade process. After running upgrade.php the only project left in XOT was one called Test1. Is there something wrong with the upgrade routine in 2.1? Cheers, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Sun Oct 13 19:28:47 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:28:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lost projects during upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601cec842$0f9ac100$2ed04300$@co.uk> Nothing wrong with the upgrade to my knowledge. What were you using for authentication? I'm guessing that test1 is the guest account did you protect auth_config.php or edit that after upgrade? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 13 October 2013 19:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Lost projects during upgrade Hi there, I've just taken my dev site from 2.0 to 2.1 beta - taken from XOT-master on Github, using the Easy upgrade process. After running upgrade.php the only project left in XOT was one called Test1. Is there something wrong with the upgrade routine in 2.1? Cheers, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Sun Oct 13 19:46:05 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:46:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lost projects during upgrade In-Reply-To: <003601cec842$0f9ac100$2ed04300$@co.uk> References: <003601cec842$0f9ac100$2ed04300$@co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, That must have been it. All seems to be sorted now. Running 2.1 OK Cheers, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Sunday, 13 October 2013 at 19:28, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Nothing wrong with the upgrade to my knowledge. > What were you using for authentication? I'm guessing that test1 is the guest account did you protect auth_config.php or edit that after upgrade? > HTH > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 13 October 2013 19:15 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Lost projects during upgrade > > Hi there, > > > > I've just taken my dev site from 2.0 to 2.1 beta - taken from XOT-master on Github, using the Easy upgrade process. > > > > After running upgrade.php the only project left in XOT was one called Test1. > > > > Is there something wrong with the upgrade routine in 2.1? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED IT??? ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 10 October 2013 14:51 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links Before it becomes out of date you can link to my simulation if you want - screenshots will be out of date though! :-( http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/play.php?template_id=68 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 10 October 2013 13:35 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for Teachers list? Or the Community forums? What do you think? [cid:image001.jpg at 01CEC8C2.78061C00] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:48 AM To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links > Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things.... Got any ideas? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 October 2013 19:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links not sure how we would best internationalise it - and feedback only works if set up. Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things.... On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED IT??? ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 10 October 2013 14:51 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links Before it becomes out of date you can link to my simulation if you want - screenshots will be out of date though! :-( http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/play.php?template_id=68 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 10 October 2013 13:35 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 14 October 2013 10:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links Just a single link to a 'Resources' section in the wiki/community site... That way you can internationalize each page and can have as much stuff as you like... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:48 AM To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links > Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things.... Got any ideas? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 October 2013 19:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links not sure how we would best internationalise it - and feedback only works if set up. Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things.... On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED IT??? ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 10 October 2013 14:51 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links Before it becomes out of date you can link to my simulation if you want - screenshots will be out of date though! :-( http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/play.php?template_id=68 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 10 October 2013 13:35 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? 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On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > I like the idea of linking through to various places on the community site. > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Smith, John > *Sent:* 14 October 2013 10:15 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links**** > > ** ** > > Just a single link to a ?Resources? section in the wiki/community site?*** > * > > ** ** > > That way you can internationalize each page and can have as much stuff as > you like? **** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 9:48 AM > *To:* xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links**** > > ** ** > > > Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things....**** > > ** ** > > Got any ideas?**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 October 2013 19:26 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links**** > > ** ** > > not sure how we would best internationalise it - and feedback only works > if set up.**** > > ** ** > > Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things....**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:**** > > YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN?T UPDATED IT???**** > > **** > > ;-)**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell > *Sent:* 10 October 2013 14:51 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'**** > > > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links**** > > **** > > Before it becomes out of date you can link to my simulation if you want - > screenshots will be out of date though! :-(**** > > http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/play.php?template_id=68 **** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 10 October 2013 13:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links**** > > **** > > Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the ?Other resources? > links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis > resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for Teachers list? Or the > Community forums? What do you think?**** > > **** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev**** > > ** ** > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > **** > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 14 October 2013 11:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links I would agree - but maybe the footer or the header for those? On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: I like the idea of linking through to various places on the community site. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 14 October 2013 10:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links Just a single link to a 'Resources' section in the wiki/community site... That way you can internationalize each page and can have as much stuff as you like... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:48 AM To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links > Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things.... Got any ideas? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 October 2013 19:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links not sure how we would best internationalise it - and feedback only works if set up. Really tempted to say drop and use the space for other things.... On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T UPDATED IT??? ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 10 October 2013 14:51 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Thoughts on resources links Before it becomes out of date you can link to my simulation if you want - screenshots will be out of date though! :-( http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/play.php?template_id=68 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 10 October 2013 13:35 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Thoughts on resources links Any thoughts on what we should include / link to in the 'Other resources' links, bottom right? I thought maybe the Nottingham Xerte site; the techDis resources; the mailing list? Or the Xerte for Teachers list? Or the Community forums? What do you think? 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No idea how we are going to move forward (MySQLi of PDO) in Xerte, but your collegue needs to make sure to have mysql support in php for the time being. Tom On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:03:24 +0100 "Ron Mitchell" wrote Hi all I just received one or two emails from a colleague trying to install Xerte on a Windows server and getting a message during setup that 'Your PHP does not seem to have MySQL support' however phpinfo does show that MySQLi is enabled. Do I recall previous discussion that the current Xerte codebase isn't likely to work with later versions of PHP because of MySQL integration changes? This server is PHP 5.5.4. If so has anyone been working on that for 2.1? Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 12:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Ron, I created an issue for this already. The situtaion is as follows: - Xerte uses the php mysql module, which is deprecated from php 5.5 - There is (already a long time) a new MySQLi (mysql improved) module which we don't use - There is PDO. No idea how we are going to move forward (MySQLi of PDO) in Xerte, but your collegue needs to make sure to have mysql support in php for the time being. Tom On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:03:24 +0100 "Ron Mitchell" wrote Hi all I just received one or two emails from a colleague trying to install Xerte on a Windows server and getting a message during setup that 'Your PHP does not seem to have MySQL support' however phpinfo does show that MySQLi is enabled. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 15 15:29:16 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:29:16 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C87D3A3A5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D6A3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Cheers. I haven't found much in using a localhost the last few weeks, but will make sure I log anything, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 15:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Let's aim for November 1st. Nothing really more dangerous has been added than the fixes we applied to 2.0 as well. I'll start testing too. On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:02:12 +0100 Julian Tenney > wrote Hi, Niko has pushed the new look and feel into the repo, so please go ahead and set it up and start to test in earnest now. I will as well. I'm off work next week: do you think we can aim for a release on Fri 1st November? Thanks to Niko for the interface work, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 15:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Cheers. I haven't found much in using a localhost the last few weeks, but will make sure I log anything, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 15:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Let's aim for November 1st. Nothing really more dangerous has been added than the fixes we applied to 2.0 as well. I'll start testing too. On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:02:12 +0100 Julian Tenney wrote Hi, Niko has pushed the new look and feel into the repo, so please go ahead and set it up and start to test in earnest now. I will as well. 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Personal opinion but I think that could be confusing for new users who don't need to worry about folders to begin with. Will report further after proper testing. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 15:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Cheers. I haven't found much in using a localhost the last few weeks, but will make sure I log anything, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 15:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Let's aim for November 1st. Nothing really more dangerous has been added than the fixes we applied to 2.0 as well. I'll start testing too. On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:02:12 +0100 Julian Tenney > wrote Hi, Niko has pushed the new look and feel into the repo, so please go ahead and set it up and start to test in earnest now. I will as well. I'm off work next week: do you think we can aim for a release on Fri 1st November? Thanks to Niko for the interface work, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 October 2013 16:14 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel I just downloaded and upgraded a test install - is there a reason you changed the New Folder button to just Create? Personal opinion but I think that could be confusing for new users who don't need to worry about folders to begin with. Will report further after proper testing. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 15:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Cheers. 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No, no reason?**** > > ** ** > > ?New Folder??**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell > *Sent:* 15 October 2013 16:14 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel**** > > ** ** > > I just downloaded and upgraded a test install - is there a reason you > changed the New Folder button to just Create?**** > > ** ** > > Personal opinion but I think that could be confusing for new users who > don't need to worry about folders to begin with.**** > > ** ** > > Will report further after proper testing.**** > > Ron**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 15 October 2013 15:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel**** > > ** ** > > Cheers. I haven?t found much in using a localhost the last few weeks, but > will make sure I log anything,**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 October 2013 15:12 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel**** > > ** ** > > Let's aim for November 1st. > Nothing really more dangerous has been added than the fixes we applied to > 2.0 as well. > > I'll start testing too.**** > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:02:12 +0100 Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote**** > > Hi,**** > > **** > > Niko has pushed the new look and feel into the repo, so please go ahead > and set it up and start to test in earnest now. 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There must be some extra space used too - possibly to accommodate the UK China Malaysia bit but according to my tests Nottingham.info needs to change as follows: with topbar as it is at 10px editor size: 800,690 with topbar changed to margin:0px auto 0px auto; editor size: 800,680 I guess this might be unique to my configuration but it certainly applies cross browser on my laptop. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 October 2013 16:38 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Yeah that's worked so far. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 16:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Ah, hadn't noticed that. No, no reason. 'New Folder'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 October 2013 16:14 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel I just downloaded and upgraded a test install - is there a reason you changed the New Folder button to just Create? Personal opinion but I think that could be confusing for new users who don't need to worry about folders to begin with. Will report further after proper testing. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 15:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Cheers. I haven't found much in using a localhost the last few weeks, but will make sure I log anything, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 15:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Let's aim for November 1st. Nothing really more dangerous has been added than the fixes we applied to 2.0 as well. I'll start testing too. On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:02:12 +0100 Julian Tenney wrote Hi, Niko has pushed the new look and feel into the repo, so please go ahead and set it up and start to test in earnest now. I will as well. I'm off work next week: do you think we can aim for a release on Fri 1st November? Thanks to Niko for the interface work, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Most of the XOT code is heading to being almost 5 years old now, stuff like was always going to happen without a sort of core development thread going on On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Thanks Tom**** > > I'll pass that on.**** > > I guess it could become a recurring problem at some point.**** > > Cheers**** > > Ron**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 October 2013 12:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility**** > > ** ** > > Ron, > > I created an issue for this already. The situtaion is as follows: > > - Xerte uses the php mysql module, which is deprecated from php 5.5 > - There is (already a long time) a new MySQLi (mysql improved) module > which we don't use > - There is PDO. > > No idea how we are going to move forward (MySQLi of PDO) in Xerte, but > your collegue needs to make sure to have mysql support in php for the time > being. > > Tom > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:03:24 +0100 "Ron Mitchell" < > ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote**** > > Hi all**** > > I just received one or two emails from a colleague trying to install Xerte > on a Windows server and getting a message during setup that 'Your PHP does > not seem to have MySQL support' however phpinfo does show that MySQLi is > enabled.**** > > **** > > Do I recall previous discussion that the current Xerte codebase isn't > likely to work with later versions of PHP because of MySQL integration > changes? This server is PHP 5.5.4. If so has anyone been working on that > for 2.1?**** > > **** > > Cheers**** > > Ron**** > > ** ** > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > **** > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Oct 15 18:04:13 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:04:13 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> Message-ID: <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. Tom Pat @ Pgogy schreef op 15-10-2013 18:56: > this is sort of why I think we needed a bigger set of goals for stuff > > This has been coming for ages, but everyone at the moment is sort of > solving their own problems (so to speak), and so this wasn't ever > going to become a big deal, but is eventually going to stop everything. > > Most of the XOT code is heading to being almost 5 years old now, stuff > like was always going to happen without a sort of core development > thread going on > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Ron Mitchell > > wrote: > > Thanks Tom > > I'll pass that on. > > I guess it could become a recurring problem at some point. > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 October 2013 12:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility > > Ron, > > I created an issue for this already. The situtaion is as follows: > > - Xerte uses the php mysql module, which is deprecated from php 5.5 > - There is (already a long time) a new MySQLi (mysql improved) > module which we don't use > - There is PDO. > > No idea how we are going to move forward (MySQLi of PDO) in Xerte, > but your collegue needs to make sure to have mysql support in php > for the time being. > > Tom > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:03:24 +0100 "Ron Mitchell" > > wrote > > Hi all > > I just received one or two emails from a colleague trying to > install Xerte on a Windows server and getting a message during > setup that 'Your PHP does not seem to have MySQL support' however > phpinfo does show that MySQLi is enabled. > > Do I recall previous discussion that the current Xerte codebase > isn't likely to work with later versions of PHP because of MySQL > integration changes? This server is PHP 5.5.4. If so has anyone > been working on that for 2.1? > > Cheers > > Ron > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have > received this message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any > views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage > your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. > Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be > monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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I added 'db_query', 'db_query_one' function calls ages ago (see https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/blob/develop/website_code/php/database_library.php ) which do try to allow for the migration away from direct use of the PHP mysql driver (i.e. you could swap to use mysqli / mysqlnd or PDO or whatever easily enough). However, the last time I looked there was plenty of the codebase which still had 'mysql_query()' calls (or other mysql_ calls). In an ideal world, the SQL which is embedded everywhere would be living in some sort of model class/library and be portable (or different files would be used for different databases) - so the project could run on SQLite/PostgreSQL/MSSQL etc but I suspect this would be difficult to achieve. thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. > ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Oct 15 18:31:14 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:31:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> Message-ID: <01c101cec9cc$5a4bc6f0$0ee354d0$@co.uk> >(do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever).< I think this possibly falls into two categories - essential and desirable Essential MySQL has always been the requirement and if that now doesn't work on newer PHP reports of it not installing are going to increase. Desirable (for some) On the other hand the one arguably justifiable excuse that the Windows only IT teams have for not installing on in-house servers is that they don't support MySQL only MSSQL. e.g. XOT will hapilly run on Windows + IIS but not MSSQL Not sure how common the need is for other db's. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 15 October 2013 18:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Oct 15 19:36:08 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:36:08 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> Message-ID: <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl> I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: > > On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your >> reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. >> >> This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do >> from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new >> opportunities. >> >> The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like >> David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy >> with the database. >> > > ( See also my previous email) > > I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you > just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support > e.g. SQLite (or whatever). > > thanks, > David. > > Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) > 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' > > http://www.palepurple.co.uk > Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 > > Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete > it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in > this message or in any attachment. 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I think we could refactor just this, but it feels a bit of a shortcut? Maybe? I think we have to use an abstraction layer and happy to help write it. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. > But I respectfully disagree. > > This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from > time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. > > The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like > David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the > database. > > Tom > > Pat @ Pgogy schreef op 15-10-2013 18:56: > > this is sort of why I think we needed a bigger set of goals for stuff > > This has been coming for ages, but everyone at the moment is sort of > solving their own problems (so to speak), and so this wasn't ever going to > become a big deal, but is eventually going to stop everything. > > Most of the XOT code is heading to being almost 5 years old now, stuff > like was always going to happen without a sort of core development thread > going on > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > >> Thanks Tom >> >> I'll pass that on. >> >> I guess it could become a recurring problem at some point. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 15 October 2013 12:31 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility >> >> >> >> Ron, >> >> I created an issue for this already. The situtaion is as follows: >> >> - Xerte uses the php mysql module, which is deprecated from php 5.5 >> - There is (already a long time) a new MySQLi (mysql improved) module >> which we don't use >> - There is PDO. >> >> No idea how we are going to move forward (MySQLi of PDO) in Xerte, but >> your collegue needs to make sure to have mysql support in php for the time >> being. >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:03:24 +0100 "Ron Mitchell" < >> ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote >> >> Hi all >> >> I just received one or two emails from a colleague trying to install >> Xerte on a Windows server and getting a message during setup that 'Your PHP >> does not seem to have MySQL support' however phpinfo does show that MySQLi >> is enabled. >> >> >> >> Do I recall previous discussion that the current Xerte codebase isn't >> likely to work with later versions of PHP because of MySQL integration >> changes? This server is PHP 5.5.4. If so has anyone been working on that >> for 2.1? >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and >> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do >> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in >> any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this >> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your >> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email >> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as >> permitted by UK legislation. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and >> may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It's where the old wiki is - are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? J This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 09:50, Julian Tenney wrote: > It strikes me this is case where the ?scratch your own itch? principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility > > I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. > > I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. > > That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. > > Tom > David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: > > > > > On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > > > > > > I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. > > > > This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. > > > > The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. > > > > > > ( See also my previous email) > > > > > > > > I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > David. > > > > > > > > Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) > > > > 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' > > > > > > > > http://www.palepurple.co.uk > > > > Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 > > > > > > > > Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Oct 16 10:01:20 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:01:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <026f01ceca4e$49428880$dbc79980$@co.uk> It's possible that my colleague who asked me for advice after not being able to install might be able to fund or contribute if we can estimate how much. They have a Moodle install on the server they were trying to install Xerte which is hapilly running with PHP 5.5 so that can't really downgrade the PHP. I'm happy to help with the work and certainly testing but wouldn't really know the best solution or just how much work is involved. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility It strikes me this is case where the 'scratch your own itch' principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 16 October 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Just a thought? When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 09:50, Julian Tenney wrote: It strikes me this is case where the ?scratch your own itch? principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From david at palepurple.co.uk Wed Oct 16 10:09:01 2013 From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:09:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: <0776BB50AAEC415CA9B15EEA66FDB699@wyversolutions.co.uk> References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0776BB50AAEC415CA9B15EEA66FDB699@wyversolutions.co.uk> Message-ID: <0E1F452E-78F5-463E-B616-80DA936B13D5@palepurple.co.uk> On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:57, Mark Berthelemy wrote: > Just a thought? > > When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. > > https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 > That sounds almost like they're using something like Propel [ see propelorm.org ] whereby you define the database using XML and it generates a load of PHP code to do 'stuff'. (Doctrine is equivalent afaik). This would probably require significant changes to the code base - i.e no embedded SQL, needing some sort of model/service layer and so on. [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm happy to help with the work and certainly testing but wouldn't really know the best solution or just how much work is involved. At it's simplest, everything involving mysql_ is rewritten to use db_query/db_query_one. I suspect the biggest issue would be testing there aren't regressions. David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll cross them off the list then. ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:57, Mark Berthelemy > wrote: Just a thought... When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 That sounds almost like they're using something like Propel [ see propelorm.org ] whereby you define the database using XML and it generates a load of PHP code to do 'stuff'. (Doctrine is equivalent afaik). This would probably require significant changes to the code base - i.e no embedded SQL, needing some sort of model/service layer and so on. [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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Presumably : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 David. On 16 Oct 2013, at 10:21, Julian Tenney wrote: > > I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte > Damn. I?ll cross them off the list then. ;-) > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin > Sent: 16 October 2013 10:09 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility > > > On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:57, Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Just a thought? > > When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. > > https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 > > > > That sounds almost like they're using something like Propel [ see propelorm.org ] whereby you define the database using XML and it generates a load of PHP code to do 'stuff'. > (Doctrine is equivalent afaik). This would probably require significant changes to the code base - i.e no embedded SQL, needing some sort of model/service layer and so on. > > [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ > > David. > > > Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) > 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' > > http://www.palepurple.co.uk > Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 > > Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Or we appeal to users and crowd fund it? Or we wait until there are enough people wanting to run it on 5.5 to scratch their itches and share the costs? Or we get some sponsors like the elearning network? :) Or we look for funding through the usual channels? Lots of options. Depends whether we're talking about ?1k or ?10k. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Would e.g. the google summer of code be a valid option/opportunity? Presumably : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 David. On 16 Oct 2013, at 10:21, Julian Tenney > wrote: > I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte Damn. I'll cross them off the list then. ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:57, Mark Berthelemy > wrote: Just a thought... When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 That sounds almost like they're using something like Propel [ see propelorm.org ] whereby you define the database using XML and it generates a load of PHP code to do 'stuff'. (Doctrine is equivalent afaik). This would probably require significant changes to the code base - i.e no embedded SQL, needing some sort of model/service layer and so on. [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 October 2013 17:03 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Just noticed another small problem and tested in IE, Firefox and Chrome... frontpage.css now has .topbar,.edit_topbar{ height:80px; background-image:url(../images/TopBar.jpg); background-repeat:repeat-x; margin:10px auto 0px auto; width:910px; } I'm not sure that top margin of 10px is really needed but if it's left at 10px then the editor height in Nottingham.info needs to be increased otherwise at 100% zoom the play button in the editor is hidden. There must be some extra space used too - possibly to accommodate the UK China Malaysia bit but according to my tests Nottingham.info needs to change as follows: with topbar as it is at 10px editor size: 800,690 with topbar changed to margin:0px auto 0px auto; editor size: 800,680 I guess this might be unique to my configuration but it certainly applies cross browser on my laptop. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 October 2013 16:38 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Yeah that's worked so far. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 16:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Ah, hadn't noticed that. No, no reason... 'New Folder'? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 October 2013 16:14 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel I just downloaded and upgraded a test install - is there a reason you changed the New Folder button to just Create? Personal opinion but I think that could be confusing for new users who don't need to worry about folders to begin with. Will report further after proper testing. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 October 2013 15:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Cheers. I haven't found much in using a localhost the last few weeks, but will make sure I log anything, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 15:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 2.1 / Look and Feel Let's aim for November 1st. Nothing really more dangerous has been added than the fixes we applied to 2.0 as well. I'll start testing too. On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:02:12 +0100 Julian Tenney > wrote Hi, Niko has pushed the new look and feel into the repo, so please go ahead and set it up and start to test in earnest now. I will as well. I'm off work next week: do you think we can aim for a release on Fri 1st November? Thanks to Niko for the interface work, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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A month?s work? Three? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 16 October 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Just a thought? When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 09:50, Julian Tenney wrote: It strikes me this is case where the ?scratch your own itch? principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 16 10:40:26 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:40:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: <67qd0bmhx7khovxeiicuk42w.1381916102787@email.android.com> References: <67qd0bmhx7khovxeiicuk42w.1381916102787@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D8CC@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 October 2013 10:38 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I think we can do it between us very quickly to make it work, after this release, to allow lots of backwards compatibility testing. There aren't that many places where the database is hit that it would be too onerous. We need to abstract to properly support other dbs but we don't need to immediately to support php 5.5. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Interesting. I suspect for the same failure of the scratch your own itch principle. What are we talking about? A month?s work? Three? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 16 October 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Just a thought? When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 09:50, Julian Tenney wrote: It strikes me this is case where the ?scratch your own itch? principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Wed Oct 16 10:39:28 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:39:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Message-ID: I'll take a month off work and do it for 10k ;-) Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Could be. Probably there are lots of angles. If we?re talking about a few grand, then we could probably cobble it together between us one way or another. Or we run a paid for service at the soon to expire xerte.net for individuals to pay for the software? Or we appeal to users and crowd fund it? Or we wait until there are enough people wanting to run it on 5.5 to scratch their itches and share the costs? Or we get some sponsors like the elearning network? :) Or we look for funding through the usual channels? Lots of options. Depends whether we?re talking about ?1k or ?10k. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Would e.g. the google summer of code be a valid option/opportunity? Presumably : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 David. On 16 Oct 2013, at 10:21, Julian Tenney > wrote: > I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte Damn. I?ll cross them off the list then. ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:57, Mark Berthelemy > wrote: Just a thought? When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 That sounds almost like they're using something like Propel [ see propelorm.org ] whereby you define the database using XML and it generates a load of PHP code to do 'stuff'. (Doctrine is equivalent afaik). This would probably require significant changes to the code base - i.e no embedded SQL, needing some sort of model/service layer and so on. [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 16 10:43:04 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:43:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D8D4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Good lad, cheers. :-) -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 October 2013 10:39 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I'll take a month off work and do it for 10k ;-) Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Could be. Probably there are lots of angles. If we're talking about a few grand, then we could probably cobble it together between us one way or another. Or we run a paid for service at the soon to expire xerte.net for individuals to pay for the software? Or we appeal to users and crowd fund it? Or we wait until there are enough people wanting to run it on 5.5 to scratch their itches and share the costs? Or we get some sponsors like the elearning network? :) Or we look for funding through the usual channels? Lots of options. Depends whether we're talking about ?1k or ?10k. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Would e.g. the google summer of code be a valid option/opportunity? Presumably : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 David. On 16 Oct 2013, at 10:21, Julian Tenney > wrote: > I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte Damn. I'll cross them off the list then. ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 09:57, Mark Berthelemy > wrote: Just a thought. When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 That sounds almost like they're using something like Propel [ see propelorm.org ] whereby you define the database using XML and it generates a load of PHP code to do 'stuff'. (Doctrine is equivalent afaik). This would probably require significant changes to the code base - i.e no embedded SQL, needing some sort of model/service layer and so on. [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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There aren't that many places where the database is hit that it would be too onerous. We need to abstract to properly support other dbs but we don't need to immediately to support php 5.5. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Interesting. I suspect for the same failure of the scratch your own itch principle. What are we talking about? A month?s work? Three? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 16 October 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Just a thought? When this issue came up with Moodle, Microsoft sponsored the development required for the db abstraction. https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=57989 Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 09:50, Julian Tenney wrote: It strikes me this is case where the ?scratch your own itch? principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Oct 16 11:02:05 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:02:05 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I don't know how much work it is, I have the impression it's not to much, but haven't investigated yet. But I agree with Pat that we should use an abstraction layer. As that offers the most flexibillity in the future I would like to implement MySQLi and PDO to start with. Fundings are always welcome. I just don't think it is so much work, as we don't do anything fancy with SQL. The other thing I would like to do (and I already started on that) for the next version, is to get rid of the current site_details table, and replace it with a key,value table. Tom .On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:50:34 +0100 Julian Tenney wrote It strikes me this is case where the 'scratch your own itch' principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 15 October 2013 19:36 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk [2] Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From david at palepurple.co.uk Wed Oct 16 11:18:42 2013 From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:18:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:02, "Tom Reijnders" wrote: > I don't know how much work it is, I have the impression it's not to much, but haven't investigated yet. But I agree with Pat that we should use an abstraction layer. As that offers the most flexibillity in the future > > I would like to implement MySQLi and PDO to start with. > Assuming db_query etc is adequate, both of those would be easy enough. > > Fundings are always welcome. I just don't think it is so much work, as we don't do anything fancy with SQL. > > The other thing I would like to do (and I already started on that) for the next version, is to get rid of the current site_details table, and replace it with a key,value table. > > the 'config' table already exists/existed [may have disappeared for all I know] for that purpose. David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Wed Oct 16 11:24:29 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:24:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Message-ID: I think one of the first things that i need to do is revisit the api... We had discussed previously turning all the ajax calls into api endpoints. That way most of the database abstractions would actually be being called from within the api code. My initial interpretation of the api was external only so i have done all the work of oauth authorization so i think just taking care of logged in user authentication should allow us to expand the api to take care of the other internal processes... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: I don't know how much work it is, I have the impression it's not to much, but haven't investigated yet. But I agree with Pat that we should use an abstraction layer. As that offers the most flexibillity in the future I would like to implement MySQLi and PDO to start with. Fundings are always welcome. I just don't think it is so much work, as we don't do anything fancy with SQL. The other thing I would like to do (and I already started on that) for the next version, is to get rid of the current site_details table, and replace it with a key,value table. Tom .On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:50:34 +0100 Julian Tenney wrote It strikes me this is case where the ?scratch your own itch? principle fails to provide an optimum solution. Do we need to find some sponsorship to pay for the work to be done? How much work do you think there is? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 October 2013 19:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I already formulated my wish to be able to use more db engines than only mysql/mariadb. I am willing to spend some time on it. Not sure how far I will get. But, I simply think that we can't afford to simply formulate our wishes and expect it to be implemented. That doesn;t mean that we shouldn't formulate our wishes. Tom David Goodwin schreef op 15-10-2013 19:12: On 15 Oct 2013, at 18:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: I understand where you are coming from, and I understand your reasoning. But I respectfully disagree. This is just a typical re-factoring which we will be obliged to do from time to time. No new functionality involved, perhaps new opportunities. The question is more MySQLi vs. PDO. Or a more generic approach Like David Goodwin used for authentication. We don't do anything fancy with the database. ( See also my previous email) I think someone needs to start from stating the requirements (do you just want to stick to using MySQL/MariaDB) or do you need to support e.g. SQLite (or whatever). thanks, David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Oct 16 11:51:09 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:51:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0776BB50AAEC415CA9B15EEA66FDB699@wyversolutions.co.uk> <0E1F452E-78F5-463E-B616-80DA936B13D5@palepurple.co.uk> Message-ID: [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ Where's your ambition? ;-) This, without over reading it, is where my refactor isn't kinda enough argument comes from. Yesterday there was an email from Hull Uni, so that's another Uni on the "list" and we are heading towards being "big" or if not "big" then "a default elearning option" And with great users bases comes great responsibility. This is why I think the scratch or sponsorship stuff is handy, but it sort of acknowledges a certain burst of movement rather than perhaps a smooth progression. I think moving towards some form of construct which could aid this would be a better step. Again, it is growing pains, but maybe we're at least post puberty now. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Mark Berthelemy < mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote: > Hi David & all, > > [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't > see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ > > Where's your ambition? ;-) > > Xerte has the potential to be as big as Articulate, if not bigger - > because the target audience is far larger. > > Mark > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yesterday there was an email from Hull Uni, so that's > another Uni on the "list" and we are heading towards being "big" or if not > "big" then "a default elearning option" > > And with great users bases comes great responsibility. > > This is why I think the scratch or sponsorship stuff is handy, but it sort > of acknowledges a certain burst of movement rather than perhaps a smooth > progression. > > I think moving towards some form of construct which could aid this would > be a better step. Again, it is growing pains, but maybe we're at least post > puberty now. > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Mark Berthelemy < > mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi David & all, >> >> [Un]Fortunately Moodle is significantly larger in all metrics - I can't >> see Microsoft sponsoring Xerte :-/ >> >> Where's your ambition? ;-) >> >> Xerte has the potential to be as big as Articulate, if not bigger - >> because the target audience is far larger. >> >> Mark >> -- >> Mark Berthelemy >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - some are more equal than others etc. There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api. The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to use e.g. db_query*. David. > > But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff > > I will do it for 9,999 pounds Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I based the internationalisation on zencart, which seemed a nice way of doing it (and easy for people to change who aren't technical) So for example, we could redo the main page using jQuery or angular or bootstrap or all of them, or change the back end to node.js, or do it in python. All I can think of is to completely separate the logic and display, and then underpin it with abstraction layers with an API as well, so it is so flexible it is almost liquid. But you see, we've already moved on from talking about just the database.... *mua ha ha ha ha* On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:10 PM, David Goodwin wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - > I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend) > > > Yes, and then : > > a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards > > b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and > perhaps better) solution might have been chosen. > > I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a > short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - > some are more equal than others etc. > > > There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and > associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api. > > The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably > replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to > use e.g. db_query*. > > > David. > > > > But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff > > I will do it for 9,999 pounds > > > Pale Purple Ltd. 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The problem we started discussing was how to handle the PHP 5.5 thing. Scratch you own itch suggests those wanting to use 5.5 should shoulder the costs / efforts. If a simple fix is a few days' work, then Ron might want to talk to his contact about the possibility of finding ?1000 for someone here to take on the coding? We can return to the ongoing discussions about APIs / abstraction / design patterns later: I sense those discussions could be paralysis, though of course I see the potential. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy > wrote: How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend) Yes, and then : a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and perhaps better) solution might have been chosen. I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - some are more equal than others etc. There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api. The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to use e.g. db_query*. David. But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff I will do it for 9,999 pounds Pale Purple Ltd. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Oct 16 13:50:54 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:50:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823DA04@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0776BB50AAEC415CA9B15EEA66FDB699@wyversolutions.co.uk> <0E1F452E-78F5-463E-B616-80DA936B13D5@palepurple.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823DA04@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: It's fine to consider it a separate block of work, much like a bug fix (which it is effectively) At the moment when I use XOT there are a few itches I kind of want to change, but I don't feel it is "fair" to submit them as I could see others would never need them, but I don't know this for definite? An example, no one seems that fussed about writing new modules, so I don't know if "the app store" ever made it into the main code, but as a sort of self-employed developer person having an app store really appeals, but perhaps the itch approach doesn't offer a certainty in terms of investing time in it? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > So we need to weigh up the pros and cons? smaller pieces of work are much > easier to progress than larger ones. Re-writing everything to use an API > and completely re-writing all the code is a big job, too big a job I think, > unless someone is going to sit down at it for a couple of months and that?s > not realistic unless we can pay them. The problem we started discussing was > how to handle the PHP 5.5 thing. Scratch you own itch suggests those > wanting to use 5.5 should shoulder the costs / efforts. If a simple fix is > a few days? work, then Ron might want to talk to his contact about the > possibility of finding ?1000 for someone here to take on the coding? We can > return to the ongoing discussions about APIs / abstraction / design > patterns later: I sense those discussions could be paralysis, though of > course I see the potential.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *David Goodwin > *Sent:* 16 October 2013 12:10 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:**** > > > > **** > > How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - > I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend)**** > > ** ** > > Yes, and then :**** > > ** ** > > a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards > **** > > ** ** > > b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and > perhaps better) solution might have been chosen.**** > > ** ** > > I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a > short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - > some are more equal than others etc.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and > associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api.*** > * > > ** ** > > The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably > replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to > use e.g. db_query*.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > David.**** > > ** ** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff**** > > ** ** > > I will do it for 9,999 pounds**** > > ** ** > > Pale Purple Ltd. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 October 2013 13:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility It's fine to consider it a separate block of work, much like a bug fix (which it is effectively) At the moment when I use XOT there are a few itches I kind of want to change, but I don't feel it is "fair" to submit them as I could see others would never need them, but I don't know this for definite? An example, no one seems that fussed about writing new modules, so I don't know if "the app store" ever made it into the main code, but as a sort of self-employed developer person having an app store really appeals, but perhaps the itch approach doesn't offer a certainty in terms of investing time in it? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: So we need to weigh up the pros and cons... smaller pieces of work are much easier to progress than larger ones. Re-writing everything to use an API and completely re-writing all the code is a big job, too big a job I think, unless someone is going to sit down at it for a couple of months and that's not realistic unless we can pay them. The problem we started discussing was how to handle the PHP 5.5 thing. Scratch you own itch suggests those wanting to use 5.5 should shoulder the costs / efforts. If a simple fix is a few days' work, then Ron might want to talk to his contact about the possibility of finding ?1000 for someone here to take on the coding? We can return to the ongoing discussions about APIs / abstraction / design patterns later: I sense those discussions could be paralysis, though of course I see the potential. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy > wrote: How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend) Yes, and then : a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and perhaps better) solution might have been chosen. I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - some are more equal than others etc. There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api. The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to use e.g. db_query*. David. But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff I will do it for 9,999 pounds Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Oct 16 14:46:52 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:46:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823DA90@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <007801cec98d$cab9d0b0$602d7210$@co.uk> <00ea01cec99d$0bf9c5d0$23ed5170$@co.uk> <525D758D.6070601@tor.nl> <525D8B18.2040303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D850@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0776BB50AAEC415CA9B15EEA66FDB699@wyversolutions.co.uk> <0E1F452E-78F5-463E-B616-80DA936B13D5@palepurple.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823DA04@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823DA90@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Go to management.php Log in Go to templates (central templates) I think it is at the bottom On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > Well, talk about them here. If you committed the app store stuff, it?s in > there (I?m not sure how I?d know?). The idea of others building their own > templates has always seemed a good one to me, but it has never really taken > off. Maybe one day?**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 16 October 2013 13:51 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility**** > > ** ** > > It's fine to consider it a separate block of work, much like a bug fix > (which it is effectively)**** > > ** ** > > At the moment when I use XOT there are a few itches I kind of want to > change, but I don't feel it is "fair" to submit them as I could see others > would never need them, but I don't know this for definite? **** > > ** ** > > An example, no one seems that fussed about writing new modules, so I don't > know if "the app store" ever made it into the main code, but as a sort of > self-employed developer person having an app store really appeals, but > perhaps the itch approach doesn't offer a certainty in terms of investing > time in it?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:**** > > So we need to weigh up the pros and cons? smaller pieces of work are much > easier to progress than larger ones. Re-writing everything to use an API > and completely re-writing all the code is a big job, too big a job I think, > unless someone is going to sit down at it for a couple of months and that?s > not realistic unless we can pay them. The problem we started discussing was > how to handle the PHP 5.5 thing. Scratch you own itch suggests those > wanting to use 5.5 should shoulder the costs / efforts. If a simple fix is > a few days? work, then Ron might want to talk to his contact about the > possibility of finding ?1000 for someone here to take on the coding? We can > return to the ongoing discussions about APIs / abstraction / design > patterns later: I sense those discussions could be paralysis, though of > course I see the potential.**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *David Goodwin > *Sent:* 16 October 2013 12:10**** > > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility**** > > **** > > **** > > On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:**** > > ** ** > > How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - > I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend)**** > > **** > > Yes, and then :**** > > **** > > a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards > **** > > **** > > b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and > perhaps better) solution might have been chosen.**** > > **** > > I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a > short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - > some are more equal than others etc.**** > > **** > > **** > > There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and > associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api.*** > * > > **** > > The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably > replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to > use e.g. db_query*.**** > > **** > > **** > > David.**** > > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff**** > > **** > > I will do it for 9,999 pounds**** > > **** > > Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814)**** > > 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business'**** > > **** > > http://www.palepurple.co.uk **** > > Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 **** > > **** > > Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd**** > > **** > > ** ** > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > **** > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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But it might be in the repo? [cid:image001.png at 01CECA81.0891D510] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 October 2013 14:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Go to management.php Log in Go to templates (central templates) I think it is at the bottom On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: Well, talk about them here. If you committed the app store stuff, it's in there (I'm not sure how I'd know?). The idea of others building their own templates has always seemed a good one to me, but it has never really taken off. Maybe one day... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 October 2013 13:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility It's fine to consider it a separate block of work, much like a bug fix (which it is effectively) At the moment when I use XOT there are a few itches I kind of want to change, but I don't feel it is "fair" to submit them as I could see others would never need them, but I don't know this for definite? An example, no one seems that fussed about writing new modules, so I don't know if "the app store" ever made it into the main code, but as a sort of self-employed developer person having an app store really appeals, but perhaps the itch approach doesn't offer a certainty in terms of investing time in it? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: So we need to weigh up the pros and cons... smaller pieces of work are much easier to progress than larger ones. Re-writing everything to use an API and completely re-writing all the code is a big job, too big a job I think, unless someone is going to sit down at it for a couple of months and that's not realistic unless we can pay them. The problem we started discussing was how to handle the PHP 5.5 thing. Scratch you own itch suggests those wanting to use 5.5 should shoulder the costs / efforts. If a simple fix is a few days' work, then Ron might want to talk to his contact about the possibility of finding ?1000 for someone here to take on the coding? We can return to the ongoing discussions about APIs / abstraction / design patterns later: I sense those discussions could be paralysis, though of course I see the potential. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy > wrote: How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend) Yes, and then : a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and perhaps better) solution might have been chosen. I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - some are more equal than others etc. There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api. The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to use e.g. db_query*. David. But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff I will do it for 9,999 pounds Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: > > RIP old wiki... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 16 October 2013 09:26 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] xerte.net > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch > to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It's where the old > wiki is -- are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? > > J > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete > it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in > this message or in any attachment. 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Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 15:04 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility I have this so no? But it might be in the repo? [cid:image001.png at 01CECA81.0891D510] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 October 2013 14:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility Go to management.php Log in Go to templates (central templates) I think it is at the bottom On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: Well, talk about them here. If you committed the app store stuff, it?s in there (I?m not sure how I?d know?). The idea of others building their own templates has always seemed a good one to me, but it has never really taken off. Maybe one day? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 October 2013 13:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility It's fine to consider it a separate block of work, much like a bug fix (which it is effectively) At the moment when I use XOT there are a few itches I kind of want to change, but I don't feel it is "fair" to submit them as I could see others would never need them, but I don't know this for definite? An example, no one seems that fussed about writing new modules, so I don't know if "the app store" ever made it into the main code, but as a sort of self-employed developer person having an app store really appeals, but perhaps the itch approach doesn't offer a certainty in terms of investing time in it? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: So we need to weigh up the pros and cons? smaller pieces of work are much easier to progress than larger ones. Re-writing everything to use an API and completely re-writing all the code is a big job, too big a job I think, unless someone is going to sit down at it for a couple of months and that?s not realistic unless we can pay them. The problem we started discussing was how to handle the PHP 5.5 thing. Scratch you own itch suggests those wanting to use 5.5 should shoulder the costs / efforts. If a simple fix is a few days? work, then Ron might want to talk to his contact about the possibility of finding ?1000 for someone here to take on the coding? We can return to the ongoing discussions about APIs / abstraction / design patterns later: I sense those discussions could be paralysis, though of course I see the potential. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 16 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: PHP compatibility On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:53, Pat @ Pgogy > wrote: How long would it take to change the code over to abstraction - honestly - I'd say 2-3 days (I internationalised over a weekend) Yes, and then : a. There was refactoring and bug fixing by others for days/weeks afterwards b. If there had been a discussion beforehand, perhaps a different (and perhaps better) solution might have been chosen. I'm all for someone 'fixing' the mysql_ stuff - but there needs to be a short discussion beforehand. There are 101 different possible approaches - some are more equal than others etc. There's a big difference between replacing instances of 'mysql_query' and associated stuff with db_query* versus making some sort of library/api. The effort/changes required for a library/api would probably replace/rewrite/overwrite whatever may have been done changing things to use e.g. db_query*. David. But it just feels a bit odd to just do the database stuff I will do it for 9,999 pounds Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Web and Mobile Application Development for Business' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It?s where the old wiki is ? are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? J This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Wed Oct 16 22:30:43 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:30:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E508@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D825@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <025801ceca49$f3e975f0$dbbc61d0$@co.uk>, <525EF11D.1030003@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E508@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It?s where the old wiki is ? are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? J This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Wed Oct 16 22:34:34 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D825@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <025801ceca49$f3e975f0$dbbc61d0$@co.uk>, <525EF11D.1030003@tor.nl>, , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E508@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: "Thanks for the tenner." > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:30:43 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > We might want to transfer the contents of the database... > > Tom > > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: > RIP old wiki? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 > To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 16 22:53:51 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:53:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D825@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <025801ceca49$f3e975f0$dbbc61d0$@co.uk>, <525EF11D.1030003@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E508@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E509@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It?s where the old wiki is ? are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? J This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Thu Oct 17 23:25:51 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:25:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Message-ID: Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Workspace.PNG Type: image/x-png Size: 30026 bytes Desc: Workspace.PNG URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 08:32:24 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:32:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E2F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 08:38:54 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:38:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E2F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E2F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E2F3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 08:55:41 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:55:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Message-ID: <2d3pca32oyw20ikr47n02yo7.1382082938187@email.android.com> The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 09:00:52 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:00:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: <2d3pca32oyw20ikr47n02yo7.1382082938187@email.android.com> References: <2d3pca32oyw20ikr47n02yo7.1382082938187@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E30F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Oct 18 09:10:52 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:10:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E2F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E2F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <015f01cecbd9$915372b0$b3fa5810$@co.uk> Yes looks good John. Have only looked at the screenshot so far but I think that's a nice little improvement. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 09:15:19 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:15:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Message-ID: I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading considerably... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Oct 18 09:18:57 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:18:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E509@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823D825@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <025801ceca49$f3e975f0$dbbc61d0$@co.uk>, <525EF11D.1030003@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E508@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E509@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 09:37:14 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:37:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> Message-ID: <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: > At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house > particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is > to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd > prefer it was us. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Smith, John > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk)] > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow > Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk)] > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only > ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to > earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl (mailto:reijnders at tor.nl)] > Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > We might want to transfer the contents of the database... > > Tom > > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: > RIP old wiki? > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Julian Tenney > Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net (http://Xerte.net) has been in touch to > say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 10:24:09 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:24:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 10:32:11 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:32:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3AE6E7F981DC4C30B48292A6CEA51B46@wyversolutions.co.uk> You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court? but that's why you expect to pay for it! Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). > > > Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. > > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house > > > > particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is > > > > to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. > > > > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd > > > > prefer it was us. > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk)] > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow > > > > Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk)] > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only > > > > ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to > > > > earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > > > [reijnders at tor.nl (mailto:reijnders at tor.nl)] > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > We might want to transfer the contents of the database... > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: > > > > RIP old wiki? > > > > > > > > From: > > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > > > > Julian Tenney > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)) > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net (http://Xerte.net) has been in touch to > > > > say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 10:34:46 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:34:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <3AE6E7F981DC4C30B48292A6CEA51B46@wyversolutions.co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3AE6E7F981DC4C30B48292A6CEA51B46@wyversolutions.co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> That?s what I meant! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 10:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court? but that's why you expect to pay for it! Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It?s where the old wiki is ? are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? J This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 10:38:30 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:38:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3AE6E7F981DC4C30B48292A6CEA51B46@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <778913BCE91C4023A6A55CA5E6FDCFCC@wyversolutions.co.uk> I thought so, but just wanted to make sure. Cheers, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:34, Julian Tenney wrote: > That?s what I meant! > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 10:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court? but that's why you expect to pay for it! > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > > > > > > > > > It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house > > > > > > > > > > > > particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is > > > > > > > > > > > > to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > prefer it was us. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > > > > > > > > > > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk)] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > > > > > > > > > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow > > > > > > > > > > > > Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > > > > > > > > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk)] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only > > > > > > > > > > > > ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to > > > > > > > > > > > > earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > > > > > > > > > > > [reijnders at tor.nl (mailto:reijnders at tor.nl)] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We might want to transfer the contents of the database... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: > > > > > > > > > > > > RIP old wiki? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > Julian Tenney > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)) > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net (http://Xerte.net) has been in touch to > > > > > > > > > > > > say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 10:45:08 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:45:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3AE6E7F981DC4C30B48292A6CEA51B46@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I think we?re getting away from what we are? do we want to be a hosting company or do we want to be developers? Personally I?d like to see us get Xerte onto Softaculous and thus into cPanel, Plesk, DirectAdmin, InterWorx, H-Sphere. Then people can use all the webhosts out there who know what they are doing and have a one click install? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:35 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net That?s what I meant! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 10:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court? but that's why you expect to pay for it! Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 10:48:11 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:48:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3AE6E7F981DC4C30B48292A6CEA51B46@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40438E27F5064B2D9D3A262144EAF821@wyversolutions.co.uk> Hi John, I know what you mean, but I've seen too many O/S project not get the traction they deserve because developers didn't take into account marketing, documentation, support and hosting. It's the ones that can offer the full package (whether themselves or through partners) that see significant ongoing use and have a sustainable business model. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:45, Smith, John wrote: > I think we?re getting away from what we are? do we want to be a hosting company or do we want to be developers? > > Personally I?d like to see us get Xerte onto Softaculous and thus into cPanel, Plesk, DirectAdmin, InterWorx, H-Sphere. Then people can use all the webhosts out there who know what they are doing and have a one click install? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:35 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > That?s what I meant! > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 10:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court? but that's why you expect to pay for it! > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > > > > > > > > > It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house > > > > > > > > > > > > particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is > > > > > > > > > > > > to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > prefer it was us. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > > > > > > > > > > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk)] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > > > > > > > > > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow > > > > > > > > > > > > Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > > > > > > > > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk)] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only > > > > > > > > > > > > ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to > > > > > > > > > > > > earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > > > > > > > > > > > [reijnders at tor.nl (mailto:reijnders at tor.nl)] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We might want to transfer the contents of the database... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: > > > > > > > > > > > > RIP old wiki? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > Julian Tenney > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > > > > > > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)) > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net (http://Xerte.net) has been in touch to > > > > > > > > > > > > say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Oct 18 10:49:44 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:49:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, do this re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow scroll? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John wrote: > I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... > Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading > considerably... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only > separate template, so presumably that's why... > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > > The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the > icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that > identifies it as rss... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? > The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > > Nice! Cheers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > Importance: High > > Hi all, > > I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think > makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please > let me know... > > 1. > Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. > Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x > scrolling 3. > Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. > Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the > projects and templates > > Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see > attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report > back when you can... > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 11:14:51 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:14:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E40A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If there was some documentation or something, like, people, might, you know, figure out how to use it. ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, do this re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow scroll? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John > wrote: I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading considerably... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 10:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi John, I know what you mean, but I've seen too many O/S project not get the traction they deserve because developers didn't take into account marketing, documentation, support and hosting. It's the ones that can offer the full package (whether themselves or through partners) that see significant ongoing use and have a sustainable business model. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:45, Smith, John wrote: I think we?re getting away from what we are? do we want to be a hosting company or do we want to be developers? Personally I?d like to see us get Xerte onto Softaculous and thus into cPanel, Plesk, DirectAdmin, InterWorx, H-Sphere. Then people can use all the webhosts out there who know what they are doing and have a one click install? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:35 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net That?s what I meant! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 10:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court? but that's why you expect to pay for it! Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Oct 18 11:27:24 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:27:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some people won't. I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a small paid for service would make sense. Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model) However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's > no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with > service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without > involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).**** > > ** ** > > It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side > of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to > pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would > definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no > support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a > barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good > as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner > here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 09:37 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more > cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or > LDAP authentication).**** > > ** ** > > Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for > Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently > reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's > an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process.**** > > ** ** > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no > visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with > service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without > involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).**** > > ** ** > > These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable > simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because > it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability > to spend time understanding how the software works.**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Mark**** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > Mark Berthelemy**** > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd**** > > Tel: 01773 318 962**** > > Mob: 07922 146 761**** > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk**** > > ** ** > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:**** > > At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house**** > > particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective > is**** > > to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work.**** > > ** ** > > -----Original Message-----**** > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney**** > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54**** > > To: For Xerte technical developers**** > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.** > ** > > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd > **** > > prefer it was us.**** > > ________________________________________**** > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John**** > > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]**** > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30**** > > To: For Xerte technical developers**** > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-)**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith | Learning Technologist**** > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow**** > > Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA**** > > ________________________________________**** > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney**** > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]**** > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26**** > > To: For Xerte technical developers**** > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only > **** > > ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to > **** > > earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me,**** > > ________________________________________**** > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders**** > > [reijnders at tor.nl]**** > > Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03**** > > To: For Xerte technical developers**** > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > We might want to transfer the contents of the database...**** > > ** ** > > Tom**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30:**** > > RIP old wiki?**** > > ** ** > > From:**** > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk< > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott **** > > ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of**** > > Julian Tenney**** > > Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26**** > > To: For Xerte technical developers**** > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >)**** > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to* > *** > > say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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(Not urgent, and didn't change it) Julian Tenney schreef op 18-10-2013 12:14: > > If there was some documentation or something, like, people, might, you > know, figure out how to use it. > > ;-) > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 10:50 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > > or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to > like, do this > > re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it > overflow scroll? > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John > wrote: > > I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database > row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading > considerably... > > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Julian Tenney > wrote: > > Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only > separate template, so presumably that's why... > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > > Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > > The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify > the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other > field that identifies it as rss... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Julian Tenney > wrote: > > > Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as > well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the > toolkits ones? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > > Nice! Cheers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > Importance: High > > Hi all, > > I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I > think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns > then please let me know... > > 1. > Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. > Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x > scrolling 3. > Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. > Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of > the projects and templates > > Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... > see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test > and report back when you can... > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 11:39:38 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:39:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah.. it was late and I did it and then realized rss was showing same as xerte and I had already taken screenshot etc etc... I'm sure there is a way to do it... just wasn't at midnight!! Re3... if you have tones of templates wouldn't they be one under the other? Hence the reason why I have left overflow-y:scroll set ;-) Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:50 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, do this re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow scroll? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John > wrote: I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading considerably... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 11:38:10 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:38:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9BA774BB0DF0448BA32C2496726D0D3A@wyversolutions.co.uk> Hi Pat, The benefit of the centralised approach is that you can start to set/enforce some standards around coding, documentation and support services. It doesn't stop people feeding into the development, either with modular plugins, or even to the core code. Like Julian, hosting's not for everyone, but you could have partners that offer those sort of services with a percentage of revenue going back into the central organisation (which would need to be a foundation or company or some such entity). I've done a lot of very large corporate projects where Xerte would have been a perfect fit technically, but organisationally did not fit at all. If we could have dealt with a Xerte organisation, with guaranteed support it would have made things much easier. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:27, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some people won't. > > I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could > > We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a small paid for service would make sense. > > Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model) > > However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical > > No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education? > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > > > It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). > > > > > > Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. > > > > > > > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). > > > > > > > > These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house > > > > > > particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is > > > > > > to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. > > > > > > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd > > > > > > prefer it was us. > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Smith, John > > > > > > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk)] > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > > > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow > > > > > > Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk)] > > > > > > Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only > > > > > > ?20 or so. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 11:15 AM To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface If there was some documentation or something, like, people, might, you know, figure out how to use it. ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, do this re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow scroll? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John > wrote: I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading considerably... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... 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On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some > people won't. > > I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could > > We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom > a small paid for service would make sense. > > Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership > approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is > driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole > (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the > development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the > community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open > as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model) > > However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical > > No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly > education? > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > >> > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's >> no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with >> service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without >> involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side >> of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to >> pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would >> definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no >> support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a >> barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good >> as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner >> here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy >> *Sent:* 18 October 2013 09:37 >> >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true? with far more >> cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or >> LDAP authentication).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for >> Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently >> reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's >> an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no >> visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with >> service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without >> involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable >> simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because >> it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability >> to spend time understanding how the software works.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Mark**** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- **** >> >> Mark Berthelemy**** >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd**** >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962**** >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761**** >> >> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:**** >> >> At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house**** >> >> particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective >> is**** >> >> to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> -----Original Message-----**** >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney**** >> >> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54**** >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers**** >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.* >> *** >> >> There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd >> **** >> >> prefer it was us.**** >> >> ________________________________________**** >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John**** >> >> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]**** >> >> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30**** >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers**** >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** >> >> ** ** >> >> oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> John Smith | Learning Technologist**** >> >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> Glasgow**** >> >> Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA**** >> >> ________________________________________**** >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney**** >> >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]**** >> >> Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26**** >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers**** >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only >> **** >> >> ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere >> to**** >> >> earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me,**** >> >> ________________________________________**** >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders**** >> >> [reijnders at tor.nl]**** >> >> Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03**** >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers**** >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We might want to transfer the contents of the database...**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Tom**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30:**** >> >> RIP old wiki?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> From:**** >> >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk< >> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott **** >> >> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of**** >> >> Julian Tenney**** >> >> Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26**** >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers**** >> >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >)**** >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to >> **** >> >> say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Oct 18 11:43:33 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:43:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some people won't. I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a small paid for service would make sense. Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model) However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It?s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ?free? side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I?ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren?t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year?s access, it?s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 11:43:39 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E43E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education? For the reasons being discussed. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some people won't. I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a small paid for service would make sense. Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model) However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It's interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the 'free' side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I've worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren't as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year's access, it's not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true... with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 11:45:54 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:45:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E441@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Probably not charging enough, but that might be because higher prices would be a hard sell in education. If you look at what people are paying to use some products out there in the commercial world it is typically $400 - $1000 per year for anything half decent, and big corps don't even blink at that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 18 October 2013 11:44 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some people won't. I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a small paid for service would make sense. Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model) However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). It's interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the 'free' side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I've worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren't as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year's access, it's not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true... with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication). Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process. These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier). These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works. Regards, Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote: At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity. There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd prefer it was us. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only ?20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net We might want to transfer the contents of the database... Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30: RIP old wiki... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to say the domain registration is about to lapse. It's where the old wiki is - are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away? J This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Oct 18 11:47:20 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:47:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <021301cecbef$6c2f1410$448d3c30$@co.uk> On the whol vertical scrolling thing - in light of recent discussions about the content of the pods etc do we need such a fixed 'view port' of the workspace and template areas? e.g. could the whole page just scroll to fit or at least be longer than it is now? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 11:40 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Yeah.. it was late and I did it and then realized rss was showing same as xerte and I had already taken screenshot etc etc. I'm sure there is a way to do it. just wasn't at midnight!! Re3. if you have tones of templates wouldn't they be one under the other? Hence the reason why I have left overflow-y:scroll set ;-) Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:50 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, do this re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow scroll? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John wrote: I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading considerably... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... 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I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 12:15:06 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:15:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface In-Reply-To: <021301cecbef$6c2f1410$448d3c30$@co.uk> References: <021301cecbef$6c2f1410$448d3c30$@co.uk> Message-ID: I kinda hoped the redesign would be a full width scrolling overhaul... but there is a lot going on in Workspace so it probably wasn't the right time... If I ever get back to doing the editor then I think that the workspace will be rewritten in Angularjs too. Then all the logic will be removed from the layout and we can lay the screen out a lot better and have more control over the sorting (and I'd like to see filtering) of projects in the workspace... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 11:47 AM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface On the whol vertical scrolling thing - in light of recent discussions about the content of the pods etc do we need such a fixed 'view port' of the workspace and template areas? e.g. could the whole page just scroll to fit or at least be longer than it is now? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 11:40 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Yeah.. it was late and I did it and then realized rss was showing same as xerte and I had already taken screenshot etc etc... I'm sure there is a way to do it... just wasn't at midnight!! Re3... if you have tones of templates wouldn't they be one under the other? Hence the reason why I have left overflow-y:scroll set ;-) Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:50 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, do this re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow scroll? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John > wrote: I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading considerably... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only separate template, so presumably that's why... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that identifies it as rss... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Nice! Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 October 2013 23:26 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] A few tweaks to the Workspace interface Importance: High Hi all, I've just committed a few changes to the Workspace interface that I think makes it look/feel better but if you have any issues/concerns then please let me know... 1. Added 5px padding between icon and name of LO/Folder/Recycle bin 2. Made the Create template box slightly smaller to avoid the need for x scrolling 3. Hid the horizontal scrollbar in templates list 4. Added basic icon support to the Workspace for easier identification of the projects and templates Have been wanting to do that last one for ages - hope you like it... see attached screenshot if you don't have v2.1 setup but please test and report back when you can... 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Then all the logic will be removed from > the layout and we can lay the screen out a lot better and have more control > over the sorting (and I?d like to see filtering) of projects in the > workspace?**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell > *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 11:47 AM > > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface**** > > ** ** > > On the whol vertical scrolling thing - in light of recent discussions > about the content of the pods etc do we need such a fixed 'view port' of > the workspace and template areas? e.g. could the whole page just scroll to > fit or at least be longer than it is now?**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Smith, John > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 11:40 > *To:* xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface**** > > ** ** > > Yeah.. it was late and I did it and then realized rss was showing same as > xerte and I had already taken screenshot etc etc? I?m sure there is a way > to do it? just wasn?t at midnight!!**** > > ** ** > > Re3? if you have tones of templates wouldn?t they be one under the other? > Hence the reason why I have left overflow-y:scroll set ;-)**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 10:50 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface**** > > ** ** > > or you know, use the module code :) Which is like, almost, built, to like, > do this**** > > ** ** > > re 3 - what if I have a tonne of templates - which I do - is it overflow > scroll?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Smith, John wrote:* > *** > > I'll take a look later to see if i can differentiate from database row... > Otherwise only way is to parse xml which would slow the loading > considerably...**** > > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Julian Tenney wrote:**** > > Because theya re both part of the Xerte templates. Site is the only > separate template, so presumably that's why...**** > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John**** > > Sent: 18 October 2013 08:56 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface**** > > The problem i saw last night is that the field i am using to identify the > icon to use reports rss as xerte too so there must be some other field that > identifies it as rss... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > Do you think we should do icons for the toolkit and feed projects as well? > The feed icon is obvious, not sure what we should use or the toolkits ones? > **** > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 October 2013 08:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: A few tweaks to the Workspace interface > > Nice! 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Oct 18 12:54:41 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:54:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered > it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. > It could be resurrected as a discussion though.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 11:48 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source > project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through > which I could feed back payments. **** > > ** ** > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence > to start investing in it?**** > > ** ** > > Mark**** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > Mark Berthelemy**** > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd**** > > Tel: 01773 318 962**** > > Mob: 07922 146 761**** > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk**** > > ** ** > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote:**** > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a > thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! **** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 13:07:03 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:07:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 14:39:08 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:39:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere > > > > So, where? > > > > Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. > > > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 14:55:26 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:55:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 15:07:03 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:07:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:54 PM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] 2.1 Release Guys, I'm off next week, and will be back 29th, please test and fix as much as possible with the 2.1 files and I'll do what I can but it might not be very much. On the other hand I've been running the files all week on my local host and haven't spotted anything really, so I think Tom's point of view, that it ought to be at least as good as 2.0, stands. Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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We really need to start putting some stuff into the wiki? anyone fancy coming up with a list of sections that we can then start to try and populate? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:54 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] 2.1 Release > > Guys, I?m off next week, and will be back 29th, please test and fix as much as possible with the 2.1 files and I?ll do what I can but it might not be very much. On the other hand I?ve been running the files all week on my local host and haven?t spotted anything really, so I think Tom?s point of view, that it ought to be at least as good as 2.0, stands. > > Julian > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Oct 18 16:09:22 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:09:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from > merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again > though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there > doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing > anything with it?**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University > should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me > the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in > much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up > against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very > keen to leave this job to pursue it.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 14:39 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > ** ** > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; > with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the > viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?**** > > ** ** > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a > company for much less cost...**** > > ** ** > > Mark**** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > Mark Berthelemy**** > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd**** > > Tel: 01773 318 962**** > > Mob: 07922 146 761**** > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk**** > > ** ** > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:**** > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good > place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit > to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 12:55 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > **** > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I > would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs > decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) **** > > **** > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the > first place) and is when bad things happen.**** > > **** > > It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to > go anywhere**** > > **** > > So, where? **** > > **** > > Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett?**** > > **** > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:**** > > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered > it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. > It could be resurrected as a discussion though.**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Mark Berthelemy > *Sent:* 18 October 2013 11:48**** > > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net**** > > **** > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source > project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through > which I could feed back payments. **** > > **** > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence > to start investing in it?**** > > **** > > Mark**** > > **** > > -- **** > > Mark Berthelemy**** > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd**** > > Tel: 01773 318 962**** > > Mob: 07922 146 761**** > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk**** > > **** > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote:**** > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a > thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! **** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev**** > > **** > > ** ** > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 16:13:48 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:13:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: We could do book signings... Wait... we need to write the book first... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:09 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is there... again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 16:16:37 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:16:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, where? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > > > > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 16:33:23 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:33:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <033601cecc17$20ad1050$620730f0$@co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <033601cecc17$20ad1050$620730f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <57EFA29DFC4F4A318B3CE3D18B4750C7@wyversolutions.co.uk> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com); For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: > > > > > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John Smith > > > > > > Learning Technologist > > > > > > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, where? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > > > > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Oct 18 16:42:54 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <57EFA29DFC4F4A318B3CE3D18B4750C7@wyversolutions.co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <033601cecc17$20ad1050$620730f0$@co.uk> <57EFA29DFC4F4A318B3CE3D18B4750C7@wyversolutions.co.uk> Message-ID: <034701cecc18$b6d69280$2483b780$@co.uk> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 16:46:19 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:46:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <034701cecc18$b6d69280$2483b780$@co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <033601cecc17$20ad1050$620730f0$@co.uk> <57EFA29DFC4F4A318B3CE3D18B4750C7@wyversolutions.co.uk> <034701cecc18$b6d69280$2483b780$@co.uk> Message-ID: <779E45BF931D48F3A4CE631AD10CC564@wyversolutions.co.uk> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com); For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > > > > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: > > > > > > > > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Smith > > > > > > > > > Learning Technologist > > > > > > > > > > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, where? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Oct 18 17:02:44 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:02:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <779E45BF931D48F3A4CE631AD10CC564@wyversolutions.co.uk> References: <016301cecbda$b1baee10$1530ca30$@co.uk> <82743AF487BC43299B4469BF29AF51CD@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E3B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <020e01cecbee$e5459280$afd0b780$@co.uk> <3B53541DE8524C4DBD0369FBB3B817D6@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E44E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E4C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <027C3CD547B5431AB2A156B91356A5B5@wyversolutions.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8823E56D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <033601cecc17$20ad1050$620730f0$@co.uk> <57EFA29DFC4F4A318B3CE3D18B4750C7@wyversolutions.co.uk> <034701cecc18$ b6d69280$2483b780$@co.uk> <779E45BF931D48F3A4CE631AD10CC564@wyversolutions.co.uk> Message-ID: <036701cecc1b$7c12c030$74384090$@co.uk> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere So, where? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Fri Oct 18 17:19:19 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:19:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <036701cecc1b$7c12c030$74384090$@co.uk> References: <036701cecc1b$7c12c030$74384090$@co.uk> Message-ID: <6A5AC56F24744766BE14FC50032F4B6B@wyversolutions.co.uk> Absolutely Ron. And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. Sorry about that. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > > > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com); For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > > > > > > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning Technologist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > > > > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, where? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost ?5k or ?10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > > > > Sent: 18 October 2013 11:48 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk (http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > > > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 18:22:15 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:22:15 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Message-ID: <517eukcqge1emtehqnialmvp.1382116195751@email.android.com> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy wrote: Absolutely Ron. And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. Sorry about that. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 18:53:38 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:53:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Message-ID: Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Smith, John" wrote: Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy wrote: Absolutely Ron. And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. Sorry about that. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 22:18:44 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:18:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Cracked it... Message-ID: So I took Pat's rather obscure advice and revisited the icons situation and it turned out to be relatively easy... So the icons are cobbled but will do... I am no designer! See attached screenshot again for a sneak peek but please test this week. I also committed the http/https youtube change discussed on the list today - please test with any youtube LO pages that you have to make sure that I haven't broken something else... 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I am no designer! > > See attached screenshot again for a sneak peek but please test this week. > > I also committed the http/https youtube change discussed on the list today > - please test with any youtube LO pages that you have to make sure that I > haven't broken something else... > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 14:09:24 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:09:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Cracked it... Message-ID: Yeah i was thinking that we should move the icons into the modules area and rather than rename the image filename we change the path... It can wait for v2.2 Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: So I guess we just need a default icon for modules "sans" icon? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Smith, John > wrote: So I took Pat's rather obscure advice and revisited the icons situation and it turned out to be relatively easy... So the icons are cobbled but will do... I am no designer! See attached screenshot again for a sneak peek but please test this week. I also committed the http/https youtube change discussed on the list today - please test with any youtube LO pages that you have to make sure that I haven't broken something else... 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 22:30:53 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:30:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Smith, John" wrote: Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy wrote: Absolutely Ron. And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. Sorry about that. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Sun Oct 20 22:47:17 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:47:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Oct 21 00:10:49 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 00:10:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: https://community.adaptlearning.org/mod/page/view.php?id=13 this? On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Mark Berthelemy < mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Julian, > > I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this > year. > > What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that > allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to > build a one page site at run time. > > At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. > But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are > working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good > things like marketing and documentation. > > IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for > Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" > > I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let > me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the > next two weeks I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Mark > > ----- > Mark Berthelemy > 07922 146 761 > > > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes > so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. > I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good > perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' > project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all > work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group > are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, > but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are > very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going > to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we > could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... > please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > > ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [ > J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i > only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc > being funded too. > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your > reply... > > > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse > - assuming they are happy to do that. > > > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least > the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy > coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really > work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid > work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but > sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql > depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour > jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, > while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie > the conference participants, companies, etc... > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely Ron. > > > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads > happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be > the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to > corporates. > > > > Sorry about that. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main > objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I > think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to > corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & > Performance Institute. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis > especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so > that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some > overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future > developments? > > > > > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty > important IMO. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost > would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who > would support that. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that > wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot > of takers from the corporate world. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a > XOT conference > > > > > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, > quids in > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from > merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again > though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there > doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing > anything with it? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John Smith > > > > Learning Technologist > > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University > should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me > the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in > much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up > against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very > keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; > with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the > viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a > company for much less cost... > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good > place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit > to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I > would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs > decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the > first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Mon Oct 21 06:46:21 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 06:46:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7A779568-BD0A-4723-9F74-3D74A72ED790@wyversolutions.co.uk> That's it. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 21 Oct 2013, at 00:10, "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > https://community.adaptlearning.org/mod/page/view.php?id=13 > > this? > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Mark Berthelemy wrote: >> Hi Julian, >> >> I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. >> >> What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. >> >> At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. >> >> IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" >> >> I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mark >> >> ----- >> Mark Berthelemy >> 07922 146 761 >> >> > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: >> > >> > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. >> > >> > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. >> > ________________________________________ >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] >> > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 >> > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... >> > >> > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > John Smith >> > Learning Technologist >> > School of Health and Life Sciences >> > >> > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> > >> > >> > >> > "Smith, John" wrote: >> > >> > >> > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... >> > >> > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. >> > >> > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? >> > >> > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. >> > >> > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. >> > >> > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. >> > >> > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > John Smith >> > Learning Technologist >> > School of Health and Life Sciences >> > >> > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> > >> > >> > >> > Mark Berthelemy wrote: >> > >> > >> > Absolutely Ron. >> > >> > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! >> > >> > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. >> > >> > Sorry about that. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Berthelemy >> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> > Tel: 01773 318 962 >> > Mob: 07922 146 761 >> > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk >> > >> > >> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> > >> > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 >> > To: For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > >> > >> > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. >> > >> > >> > >> > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. >> > >> > >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Mark Berthelemy >> > >> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> > >> > Tel: 01773 318 962 >> > >> > Mob: 07922 146 761 >> > >> > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> > >> > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 >> > To: For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > >> > >> > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? >> > >> > >> > >> > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? >> > >> > >> > >> > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. >> > >> > >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Mark Berthelemy >> > >> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> > >> > Tel: 01773 318 962 >> > >> > Mob: 07922 146 761 >> > >> > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> > >> > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 >> > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > >> > >> > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. >> > >> > >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Mark Berthelemy >> > >> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> > >> > Tel: 01773 318 962 >> > >> > Mob: 07922 146 761 >> > >> > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: >> > >> > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference >> > >> > >> > >> > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: >> > >> > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > John Smith >> > >> > Learning Technologist >> > >> > School of Health & Life Sciences >> > >> > Glasgow Caledonian University >> > >> > >> > >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM >> > >> > To: For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > >> > >> > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 >> > To: For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > >> > >> > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? >> > >> > >> > >> > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... >> > >> > >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Mark Berthelemy >> > >> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> > >> > Tel: 01773 318 962 >> > >> > Mob: 07922 146 761 >> > >> > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: >> > >> > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 >> > To: For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> > >> > >> > >> > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) >> > >> > >> > >> > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. >> > >> > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> > >> > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> > >> > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Xerte-dev mailing list >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> > >> > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> > >> > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> > >> > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Xerte-dev mailing list >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Xerte-dev mailing list >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 07:28:47 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:28:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Message-ID: We've talked about converting the internal structure to using json and renaming it to Jerte (only kidding!) and in many ways i think json editing and transport would be more robust and prevent most of the quote escaping and bad character issues that have cropped up recently... As Tom and Ron both pointed out though the xml is interwoven into a lot of the peer and sharing functionality so a direct switch would some care and attention... Have often wondered though about running both out upon saving and loading the json directly into xenith to avoid the lengthy parsing routine at runtime... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy wrote: Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 10:28:02 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:28:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it? > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Oct 21 10:45:10 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:45:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark > Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about > a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people > come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money > from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is > there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the > ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark > and then not doing anything with it. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) > I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which > SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 10:52:42 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:52:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> Message-ID: Highly unlikely I will be there but would be happy to be involved in the project if it overlaps... I had a look a few days ago when it was first mentioned on the ALT list but they didn't have any Github code published yet - once I see that I'll know how we can collaborate... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:45 AM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch > goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - > i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the > purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at > least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but > sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, > while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark > Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & > Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC > Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty > important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about > a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people > come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money > from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is > there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the > ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark > and then not doing anything with it. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the > University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they > are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) > I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which > SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in > the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Oct 21 10:45:10 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:45:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark > Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about > a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people > come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money > from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is > there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the > ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark > and then not doing anything with it. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) > I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which > SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Oct 21 11:10:52 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:10:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember you can build an editor to do whatever to want it to do - there is no requirement on it to have to be XML Mark if you've not seen there are non-Xerte modules you can add to XOT which edit a variety of things (I tend to use serialised PHP as my storage as a bit quicker if talking only to PHP) Given Angular and so on, moving towards json makes sense to me On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Smith, John wrote: > We've talked about converting the internal structure to using json and > renaming it to Jerte (only kidding!) and in many ways i think json editing > and transport would be more robust and prevent most of the quote escaping > and bad character issues that have cropped up recently... > > As Tom and Ron both pointed out though the xml is interwoven into a lot of > the peer and sharing functionality so a direct switch would some care and > attention... > > Have often wondered though about running both out upon saving and loading > the json directly into xenith to avoid the lengthy parsing routine at > runtime... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Hi Julian, > > I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this > year. > > What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that > allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to > build a one page site at run time. > > At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. > But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are > working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good > things like marketing and documentation. > > IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for > Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" > > I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let > me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the > next two weeks I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Mark > > ----- > Mark Berthelemy > 07922 146 761 > > > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes > so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. > I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good > perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' > project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all > work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group > are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, > but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are > very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going > to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we > could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... > please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > > ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [ > J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i > only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc > being funded too. > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your > reply... > > > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse > - assuming they are happy to do that. > > > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least > the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy > coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really > work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid > work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but > sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql > depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour > jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, > while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie > the conference participants, companies, etc... > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely Ron. > > > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads > happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be > the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to > corporates. > > > > Sorry about that. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main > objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I > think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to > corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & > Performance Institute. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis > especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so > that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some > overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future > developments? > > > > > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > > > > > Sorry to be picky? but good governance and structures are pretty > important IMO. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost > would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who > would support that. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that > wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot > of takers from the corporate world. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a > XOT conference > > > > > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, > quids in > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > > > We?ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from > merchandising; how much I don?t know but the opportunity is there? again > though it?s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership ? there > doesn?t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing > anything with it? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John Smith > > > > Learning Technologist > > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University > should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me > the University has registered a trademark against ?Xerte?, to be managed in > much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up > against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very > keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; > with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the > viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a > company for much less cost... > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark Berthelemy > > > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good > place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit > to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I > would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs > decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the > first place) and is when bad things happen. > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 11:28:38 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:28:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know, it's just that just now it needs to be written back to xml for the rest... I still think JSON is the way forward, especially to increase the user experience, but then you know that... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Remember you can build an editor to do whatever to want it to do - there is no requirement on it to have to be XML Mark if you've not seen there are non-Xerte modules you can add to XOT which edit a variety of things (I tend to use serialised PHP as my storage as a bit quicker if talking only to PHP) Given Angular and so on, moving towards json makes sense to me On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Smith, John > wrote: We've talked about converting the internal structure to using json and renaming it to Jerte (only kidding!) and in many ways i think json editing and transport would be more robust and prevent most of the quote escaping and bad character issues that have cropped up recently... As Tom and Ron both pointed out though the xml is interwoven into a lot of the peer and sharing functionality so a direct switch would some care and attention... Have often wondered though about running both out upon saving and loading the json directly into xenith to avoid the lengthy parsing routine at runtime... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy > wrote: Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" > wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy > wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky... but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John >> wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is there... again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 11:29:59 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:29:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh and angular is what I've been working with... I think it makes a lot of sense and the two way data-binding is refreshing... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Remember you can build an editor to do whatever to want it to do - there is no requirement on it to have to be XML Mark if you've not seen there are non-Xerte modules you can add to XOT which edit a variety of things (I tend to use serialised PHP as my storage as a bit quicker if talking only to PHP) Given Angular and so on, moving towards json makes sense to me On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Smith, John > wrote: We've talked about converting the internal structure to using json and renaming it to Jerte (only kidding!) and in many ways i think json editing and transport would be more robust and prevent most of the quote escaping and bad character issues that have cropped up recently... As Tom and Ron both pointed out though the xml is interwoven into a lot of the peer and sharing functionality so a direct switch would some care and attention... Have often wondered though about running both out upon saving and loading the json directly into xenith to avoid the lengthy parsing routine at runtime... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy > wrote: Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" > wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy > wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky... but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John >> wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is there... again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk>> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 12:21:30 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:21:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark > Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about > a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people > come, quids in > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money > from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is > there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the > ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark > and then not doing anything with it. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) > I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which > SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) > > > > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Oct 21 13:17:04 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:17:04 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Would you like me to try to attend as well? Julian Tenney schreef: >I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to >get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we >need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that >time. >________________________________________ >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >[ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] >Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 >To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > >At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to >confirm >asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the >best >date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone >too. > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > >20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome >too. >________________________________________ >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >[mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] >Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Cc: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > >Hi Julian, > >I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this >year. > >What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap >that >allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the >framework to >build a one page site at run time. > >At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited >interactions. >But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are >working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good >things >like marketing and documentation. > >IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool >for >Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" > >I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. >Let me >know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the >next >two weeks I'm afraid. > >Cheers, > >Mark > >----- >Mark Berthelemy >07922 146 761 > >> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > >wrote: >> >> This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch >goes >so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are >opportunities. >I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some >good >perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his >'Adapt' >project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all >work >together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group >are >much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, >but it >has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are >very >different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to >come >to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could >have >a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please >read >up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. >> >> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] >> Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation >- i >only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... >> >> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc >being funded too. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Smith, John" wrote: >> >> >> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw >your >reply... >> >> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the >purse - >assuming they are happy to do that. >> >> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at >least >the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? >> >> For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy >coding. >My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work >to >my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work >you >obviously work to someone else's agenda. >> >> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but >sometimes >falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That >NEEDS done otherwise we stall. >> >> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour >jobs. >And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. >> >> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, >while >taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the >conference participants, companies, etc... >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Mark Berthelemy wrote: >> >> >> Absolutely Ron. >> >> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads >happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well >be the >answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! >> >> As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to >corporates. >> >> Sorry about that. >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Berthelemy >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main >objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But >I >think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. >> >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark >> Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to >corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. >> >> >> >> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & >Performance >Institute. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC >Techdis >especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility >so >that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some >overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future >developments? >> >> >> >> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? >> >> >> >> Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty >important >IMO. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost >would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who >would support that. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 >> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For >Xerte >> technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream >that >wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a >lot >of takers from the corporate world. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: >> >> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about >> a XOT conference >> >> >> >> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people >> come, quids in >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John >> wrote: >> >> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money >> from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is >> there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and >the >> ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark >> and then not doing anything with it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> John Smith >> >> Learning Technologist >> >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the >University >should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to >me >the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be >managed in >much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came >up >against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very >keen >to leave this job to pursue it. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they >are; >with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the >viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? >> >> >> >> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a >company for much less cost... >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. 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They should be comparable. >> >> Is it possible you're closing and reopening many db connections in one >> request/call or having problems looking up hostnames? >> >> >> David. >> >> On 21 Oct 2013, at 12:53, "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >> So for something else I was playing with mysqli on Xampp over the weekend >> >> It is unbearably slow - noticeably slow (when compared to mysql, which >> you don't notice, mysqli took a couple of seconds). >> >> Anyone else know of this - just worried DB extraction might cause >> problems for localhosters >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> Pale Purple Ltd. 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They should be comparable. >>> >>> Is it possible you're closing and reopening many db connections in one >>> request/call or having problems looking up hostnames? >>> >>> >>> David. >>> >>> On 21 Oct 2013, at 12:53, "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>> >>> So for something else I was playing with mysqli on Xampp over the weekend >>> >>> It is unbearably slow - noticeably slow (when compared to mysql, which >>> you don't notice, mysqli took a couple of seconds). >>> >>> Anyone else know of this - just worried DB extraction might cause >>> problems for localhosters >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> Pale Purple Ltd. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00cb01cece65$3a161eb0$ae425c10$@co.uk> Hi John this is very subjective but I spend a lot of time encouraging users to avoid 'text behind glass' so that plain text page icon for the XOT template somehow looks 'demoted' compared with the more colourful icons for Bootstrap and RSS. I know we could end up with many more icons with Pat's plugins etc but I wonder if we could use something like the attached for the XOT template? Icon and screenshot attached. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 20 October 2013 14:09 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Cracked it... Yeah i was thinking that we should move the icons into the modules area and rather than rename the image filename we change the path... It can wait for v2.2 Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: So I guess we just need a default icon for modules "sans" icon? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Smith, John > wrote: So I took Pat's rather obscure advice and revisited the icons situation and it turned out to be relatively easy... So the icons are cobbled but will do... I am no designer! See attached screenshot again for a sneak peek but please test this week. I also committed the http/https youtube change discussed on the list today - please test with any youtube LO pages that you have to make sure that I haven't broken something else... 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Hi John this is very subjective but I spend a lot of time encouraging users to avoid 'text behind glass' so that plain text page icon for the XOT template somehow looks 'demoted' compared with the more colourful icons for Bootstrap and RSS. I know we could end up with many more icons with Pat's plugins etc but I wonder if we could use something like the attached for the XOT template? Icon and screenshot attached. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 20 October 2013 14:09 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Cracked it... Yeah i was thinking that we should move the icons into the modules area and rather than rename the image filename we change the path... It can wait for v2.2 Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: So I guess we just need a default icon for modules "sans" icon? On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Smith, John > wrote: So I took Pat's rather obscure advice and revisited the icons situation and it turned out to be relatively easy... So the icons are cobbled but will do... I am no designer! See attached screenshot again for a sneak peek but please test this week. I also committed the http/https youtube change discussed on the list today - please test with any youtube LO pages that you have to make sure that I haven't broken something else... 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 15:18:35 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:18:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: MySQLi Experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Should we be trying to use PDO? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:53 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] MySQLi Experiments So for something else I was playing with mysqli on Xampp over the weekend It is unbearably slow - noticeably slow (when compared to mysql, which you don't notice, mysqli took a couple of seconds). 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Oct 21 16:20:04 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:20:04 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8c8a08b0-d21f-47a6-bd7d-420f7e4ff405@email.android.com> I can do November 20. Julian Tenney schreef: >I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to >get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we >need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that >time. >________________________________________ >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >[ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] >Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 >To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > >At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to >confirm >asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the >best >date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone >too. > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > >20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome >too. >________________________________________ >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >[mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] >Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Cc: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > >Hi Julian, > >I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this >year. > >What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap >that >allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the >framework to >build a one page site at run time. > >At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited >interactions. >But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are >working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good >things >like marketing and documentation. > >IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool >for >Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" > >I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. >Let me >know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the >next >two weeks I'm afraid. > >Cheers, > >Mark > >----- >Mark Berthelemy >07922 146 761 > >> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > >wrote: >> >> This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch >goes >so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are >opportunities. >I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some >good >perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his >'Adapt' >project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all >work >together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group >are >much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, >but it >has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are >very >different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to >come >to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could >have >a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please >read >up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. >> >> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] >> Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation >- i >only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... >> >> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc >being funded too. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Smith, John" wrote: >> >> >> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw >your >reply... >> >> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the >purse - >assuming they are happy to do that. >> >> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at >least >the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? >> >> For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy >coding. >My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work >to >my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work >you >obviously work to someone else's agenda. >> >> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but >sometimes >falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That >NEEDS done otherwise we stall. >> >> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour >jobs. >And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. >> >> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, >while >taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the >conference participants, companies, etc... >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Mark Berthelemy wrote: >> >> >> Absolutely Ron. >> >> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads >happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well >be the >answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! >> >> As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to >corporates. >> >> Sorry about that. >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Berthelemy >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main >objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But >I >think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. >> >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark >> Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to >corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. >> >> >> >> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & >Performance >Institute. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC >Techdis >especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility >so >that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some >overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future >developments? >> >> >> >> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? >> >> >> >> Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty >important >IMO. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost >would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who >would support that. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 >> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For >Xerte >> technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream >that >wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a >lot >of takers from the corporate world. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: >> >> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about >> a XOT conference >> >> >> >> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people >> come, quids in >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John >> wrote: >> >> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money >> from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is >> there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and >the >> ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark >> and then not doing anything with it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> John Smith >> >> Learning Technologist >> >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the >University >should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to >me >the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be >managed in >much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came >up >against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very >keen >to leave this job to pursue it. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they >are; >with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the >viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? >> >> >> >> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a >company for much less cost... >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >www.wyversolutions.co.uklutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very >good >place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a >limit to >how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. >> >> >> >> From: >> >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) >> I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which >> SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) >> >> >> >> It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in >the >first place) and is when bad things happen. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >the >Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland >partners. >> >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >the >Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland >partners. >> >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and >may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 19:30:01 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:30:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <8c8a08b0-d21f-47a6-bd7d-420f7e4ff405@email.android.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <8c8a08b0-d21f-47a6-bd7d-420f7e4ff405@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E513@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net I can do November 20. Julian Tenney schreef: I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time. ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. Regards John Sm ith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Smith, John" wrote: Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy wrote: Absolutely Ron. And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! As a means of promoting a conferen ce, JISC is less relevant to corporates. Sorry about that. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 Octobe r 2013 16:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments? What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in O n Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John < J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote: We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit t o how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) a nd is when bad things happen. 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From mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk Mon Oct 21 22:03:19 2013 From: mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk (Mark Berthelemy) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:03:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E513@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <8c8a08b0-d21f-47a6-bd7d-420f7e4ff405@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E513@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I've put 20th Nov in my diary. Cheers, Mark On Oct 21, 2013 7:30 PM, "Julian Tenney" wrote: > Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [ > reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > I can do November 20. > > Julian Tenney schreef: > > I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get > here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need > that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time. > ________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ > ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] > Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm > asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best > date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone > too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: 21 October 2013 > 10:28 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. > ________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] > Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Cc: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Hi Julian, > > I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this > year. > > What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that > allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to > build a one page site at run time. > > At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. > But, what they do > have > is a strong governance setup and people who are > working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good > things > like marketing and documentation. > > IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for > Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" > > I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me > know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next > two weeks I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Mark > > ----- > Mark Berthelemy > 07922 146 761 > > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > This is all > interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes > so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. > I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good > perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' > project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all > work > together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are > much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but > it > has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very > different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to > come > to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could > have > a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read > up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. > > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. > ________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i > only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... > > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc > being funded too. > > Regards > > John Sm > ith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your > reply... > > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - > assuming they are happy to do that. > > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least > the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? > > For example i have a job but > also > occasionally do some consultancy coding. > My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to > my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you > obviously work to someone else's agenda. > > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes > falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That > NEEDS done otherwise we stall. > > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. > And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. > > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while > taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the > conference participants, companies, etc... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Mark Berthelemy wrote: > > > Absolutely Ron. > > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads > happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be > the > answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! > > As a means of promoting a conferen > ce, > JISC is less relevant to corporates. > > Sorry about that. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Berthelemy > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > Tel: 01773 318 962 > Mob: 07922 146 761 > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk< > http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main > objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I > think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark > Berthelemy > Sent: 18 Octobe > r 2013 > 16:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to > corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. > > > > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance > Institute. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: > www.wyversolutions.co.uk< > http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/ lutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis > especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so > that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some > overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future > developments? > > > > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? > > > > Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important > IMO. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: > www.wyversolutions.co.uk< > http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/ lutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: > > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost > would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who > would support that. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte > technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that > wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot > of takers from the corporate world. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: > www.wyversolutions.co.uk< > http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/ lutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: > > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about > a XOT conference > > > > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people > come, quids in > > > > O > n Fri, > Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John > < > J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote: > > We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money > from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is > there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the > ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark > and then not doing anything with it. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University > should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me > the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in > much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up > against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very > keen > to leave this job to pursue it. > > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net > > > > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; > with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the > viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? > > > > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a > company for much less cost... > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Berthelemy > > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd > > Tel: 01773 318 962 > > Mob: 07922 146 761 > > Web: > www.wyversolutions.co.uk< > http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/ lutions.co.uk> > > > > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. 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Will arraive at London Standsted at around 8:10 (uk time) and have to be at Standsted at around 19:00) Tom On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:03:19 +0100 Mark Berthelemy wrote I've put 20th Nov in my diary. Cheers, Mark On Oct 21, 2013 7:30 PM, "Julian Tenney" wrote: Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [2] [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [3]] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl [4]] Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [5] I can do November 20. Julian Tenney schreef: I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time. ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [7] [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [8]] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk [9]] Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [10] At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [12] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [13]] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [14] 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too. ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [16] [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [17]] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk [18]] Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Cc: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [19] Hi Julian, I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year. What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time. At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation. IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid. Cheers, Mark ----- Mark Berthelemy 07922 146 761 On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney wrote: This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [22] [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [23]] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk [24]] Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [25] Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [26] Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too. Regards John Sm ith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Smith, John" wrote: Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply... I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that. But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda. Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall. We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Mark Berthelemy wrote: Absolutely Ron. And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! As a means of promoting a conferen ce, JISC is less relevant to corporates. Sorry about that. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk [30] On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [33] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [34]] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy Sent: 18 Octobe r 2013 16:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [35] Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net [67] Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world. Mark -- Mark Berthelemy Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd Tel: 01773 318 962 Mob: 07922 146 761 Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk [70] wrote: We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost... 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Oct 22 13:24:45 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:24:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net In-Reply-To: <40dc20cda25c1d45563c94a00b3cda1e@server.tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <004e01cece42$3d407180$b7c15480$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E50F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <8c8a08b0-d21f-47a6-bd7d-420f7e4ff405@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E513@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <40dc20cda25c1d45563c94a00b3cda1e@server.tor.nl> Message-ID: Can you try paying extra and getting to East Mids? So much easier I can't do it (probably in Miami at a conference), but interested in minutes? On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Sounds like November 20th is acceptable > > I'll book a flight later today and hire a car (or you must convince me, > the train is better, but I must say, I haven't got much confidence in > trains, based on the Dutch NS. Will arraive at London Standsted at around > 8:10 (uk time) and have to be at Standsted at around 19:00) > > Tom > > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:03:19 +0100 Mark Berthelemy < > mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote > > I've put 20th Nov in my diary. > > Cheers, > > Mark > On Oct 21, 2013 7:30 PM, "Julian Tenney" > wrote: > >> Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then. >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [ >> reijnders at tor.nl] >> Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> I can do November 20. >> >> Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get >> here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need >> that lo ng? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time. >> ________________________________ >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ >> ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] >> Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to >> confirm >> asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the >> best >> date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone >> too. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte- dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >> Tenney >> Sent: 21 October 2013 >> 10:28 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome >> too. >> ________________________________ >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk] >> Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Cc: For Xerte technical developers >> Subjec t: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> Hi Julian, >> >> I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this >> year. >> >> What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that >> allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework >> to >> build a one page site at run time. >> >> At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. >> But, what they do >> have >> is a strong governance setup and people who are >> working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good >> things >> like marketing and documentation. >> >> IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for >> Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized" >> >> I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let >> me >> know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next >> two weeks I'm afraid. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mark >> >> ----- >> Mark Berthelemy >> 07922 146 761 >> >> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney >> wrote: >> >> This is all >> interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes >> so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are >> opportunities. >> I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good >> perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' >> project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all >> work >> together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are >> much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but >> it >> has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very >> differ ent. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to >> come >> to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could >> have >> a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read >> up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts. >> >> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response. >> ________________________________ >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] >> Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i >> only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with... >> >> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc >> being funded too. >> >> Regards >> >> John Sm >> ith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Smith, John" wrote: >> >> >> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your >> reply... >> >> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - >> assuming they are happy to do that. >> >> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least >> the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded? >> >> For example i have a job but >> also >> occasionally do some consultancy coding. >> My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to >> my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you >> obviously work to someone else's agenda. >> >> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes >> falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That >> NEEDS done otherwise we stall. >> >> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. >> And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged. >> >> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while >> taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the >> conference participants, companies, etc... >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Mark Berthelemy > >> wrote: >> >> >> Absolutely Ron. >> >> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads >> happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be >> the >> answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be! >> >> As a means of promoting a conferen >> ce, >> JISC is less relevant to corporates. >> >> Sorry about that. >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Berthelemy >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk< >> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main >> objecti ves and these are obviously different for different people. But I >> think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications. >> >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark >> Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 Octobe >> r 2013 >> 16:46 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to >> corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used. >> >> >> >> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance >> Institute. >> >> >> >> Mark >> * >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >> www.wyversolutions.co.uk< >> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/> lutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis >> especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so >> that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There' s some >> overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options. >> >> >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future >> developments? >> >> >> >> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it? >> >> >> >> Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important >> IMO. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >> www.wyversolutions.co.uk< >> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/> lutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> Likewise I think if we made it known that som e of the attendance cost >> would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who >> would support that. >> >> >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17 >> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte >> technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<< a href=" >> http://xerte.net/">http://xerte.net/> >> >> >> >> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that >> wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a >> lot >> of takers from the corporate world. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >> www.wyversolutions.co.uk< >> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/> lutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote: >> >> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about >> a XOT conference >> >> >> >> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people >> come, quids in >> >> >> >> O >> n Fri, >> Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John >> < >> J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money >> from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is >> there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the >> ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark >> and then not doing anything with it. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> John Smith >> >> Learning Technologist >> >> School of Hea lth & Life Sciences >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University >> should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me >> the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed >> in >> much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up >> against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very >> keen >> to leave this job to pursue it. >> >> >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; >> with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the >> viability of Xerte in the medium/long term? >> >> >> >> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a >> company for much less cost... >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Berthelemy >> >> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd >> >> Tel: 01773 318 962 >> >> Mob: 07922 146 761 >> >> Web: >> www.wyversolutions.co.uk> yversolutions.co.uk/ < >> http://www.wyverso >> lutions.co.uk> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good >> place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit >> t >> o >> how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs. >> >> >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ] >> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net >> >> >> >> If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) >> I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which >> SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) >> >> >> >> It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the >> first place) a >> nd is >> when bad things happen. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative o f the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland >> partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> ________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Ti mes Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times H >> igher >> Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland >> partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> ________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinf o/xerte-dev >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and >> may contain confident >> ial >> information. 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Message-ID: <008901cecf26$e2adf040$a809d0c0$@co.uk> Hi all not sure if I should be raising this here or on github? But anyway I'll raise it here for now - possibly just for future reference. When I tested changing the XOT template icon yesterday I noticed a problem with the bootstrap template but didn't have time to test properly until this morning. I upgraded an install to the latest 2.1 code bfore trying the alternative icon and when creating a new project with the bootstrap template I noticed the editor window was tiny. I thought that was the only problem but it turns out if I tried to edit that new project no tree appeared in the editor and this is because no xml was created in the project folder. I checked the .info file which seemed fine. I also replaced the entire install (apart from the user-files folder and auth_config etc) with just the latest 2.1 code and that had the same problem. The Xerte and RSS templates both worked fine. This is a server install (not xampp) that has been upgraded many times and it turns out that the site template showing in the workspace was referencing site inside the xerte folder. I had used management.php to update central templates and I had removed the older code but because the older entries were in the database more than one site template was showing in management. e.g. Xerte > Site and Site > Site. When I clicked show in the second site listing it just opened the other site options. In the end I deleted the site templates direct from the database originaltemplatedetails table and then used update template list to add the site template back and could then access the options under Site > site > show. I could then create projects with the site template correctly. This is all fine as this is only a test install but does make me a bit nervous about upgrading other installations which have been in use a long time and had previous upgrades. A few points for reference and consideration. 1. In management is the code for showing template options somehow referencing name rather than template ID? e.g. I couldn't get to the options of the Site > Site template because clicking show alongside that was just opening the other Xerte > Site options. 2. Should there be a delete option alongside each template shown in management? 3. I was able to fix this direct via the database but clearly any projects built with the previous site template when it was within the xerte folder would be broken. This may not apply to many other users apart from us but I can't remember if the site template was ever part of a public zip when it was in the Xerte folder rather than a template on its own? If it was then this could possibly be a problem for others too. 4. I thought Julian had said that he'd committed the change to editor size in the info files? On testing this once I got the site template working properly I can see that the top bar margin has been removed but not sure the info files have been changed - at least not in the 2.1 code? According to my tests the editor window from both XOT and site needs to be editor 800,680 HTH Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Oct 22 16:45:42 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:45:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: latest 2.1 code issue with site template on upgraded install? In-Reply-To: <008901cecf26$e2adf040$a809d0c0$@co.uk> References: <008901cecf26$e2adf040$a809d0c0$@co.uk> Message-ID: 1) Can't remember - right click and look through the DIV id names 2) I don't think you can delete a template from management, I think so people's projects aren't broken if some one deletes the template 3) I think template details has xerte and nottingham entries - or is just Nottingham On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Hi all**** > > not sure if I should be raising this here or on github? **** > > But anyway I'll raise it here for now - possibly just for future reference. > **** > > ** ** > > When I tested changing the XOT template icon yesterday I noticed a problem > with the bootstrap template but didn't have time to test properly until > this morning?**** > > ** ** > > I upgraded an install to the latest 2.1 code bfore trying the alternative > icon and when creating a new project with the bootstrap template I noticed > the editor window was tiny. I thought that was the only problem but it > turns out if I tried to edit that new project no tree appeared in the > editor and this is because no xml was created in the project folder.**** > > ** ** > > I checked the .info file which seemed fine. I also replaced the entire > install (apart from the user-files folder and auth_config etc) with just > the latest 2.1 code and that had the same problem. The Xerte and RSS > templates both worked fine.**** > > ** ** > > This is a server install (not xampp) that has been upgraded many times and > it turns out that the site template showing in the workspace was > referencing site inside the xerte folder. I had used management.php to > update central templates and I had removed the older code but because the > older entries were in the database more than one site template was showing > in management. e.g. Xerte > Site and Site > Site. When I clicked show in > the second site listing it just opened the other site options.**** > > ** ** > > In the end I deleted the site templates direct from the database > originaltemplatedetails table and then used update template list to add > the site template back and could then access the options under Site > site > > show. I could then create projects with the site template correctly. *** > * > > ** ** > > This is all fine as this is only a test install but does make me a bit > nervous about upgrading other installations which have been in use a long > time and had previous upgrades. A few points for reference and > consideration?**** > > ** ** > > 1. In management is the code for showing template options somehow > referencing name rather than template ID? e.g. I couldn't get to the > options of the Site > Site template because clicking show alongside that > was just opening the other Xerte > Site options. **** > > ** ** > > 2. Should there be a delete option alongside each template shown in > management?**** > > ** ** > > 3. I was able to fix this direct via the database but clearly any projects > built with the previous site template when it was within the xerte folder > would be broken. This may not apply to many other users apart from us but I > can't remember if the site template was ever part of a public zip when it > was in the Xerte folder rather than a template on its own? If it was then > this could possibly be a problem for others too.**** > > ** ** > > 4. I thought Julian had said that he'd committed the change to editor size > in the info files? On testing this once I got the site template working > properly I can see that the top bar margin has been removed but not sure > the info files have been changed - at least not in the 2.1 code? According > to my tests the editor window from both XOT and site needs to be editor > 800,680**** > > ** ** > > HTH**** > > Ron**** > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Oct 23 19:55:39 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:55:39 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] 2.1: Properties tab selection doesn't show selected tab properly Message-ID: <52681BAB.6060905@tor.nl> See screenshot for an example (this is chrome) -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 23 October 2013 19:56 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] 2.1: Properties tab selection doesn't show selected tab properly See screenshot for an example (this is chrome) -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32157 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Mitchell schreef op 23-10-2013 21:03: > > Hi Tom > > that doesn't look like the latest 2.1? e.g. the new styling shows on > my test install and the RSS tab works fine... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 23 October 2013 19:56 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] 2.1: Properties tab selection doesn't show > selected tab properly > > See screenshot for an example (this is chrome) > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is just a quick test to see whether a message arrives at all. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From katrien.bernaerts at toll-net.be Thu Oct 24 19:13:06 2013 From: katrien.bernaerts at toll-net.be (Katrien Bernaerts) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:13:06 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2 Days in Flanders - June 2014 Message-ID: <05e901ced0e4$aff73de0$0fe5b9a0$@toll-net.be> Hi all, Note down in your diary that our Xerte days will take place on 5 and 6 June 2014 in the Provincial House of Flemish Brabant in Leuven. Further information will follow later in November. Monday will Inge Donkervoort and I present Xerte at Erasmus MC and Surf in the Netherlands. I made ??a short presentation. Some users tell their experiences with Xerte. You can watch it on http://194.7.157.205/moodle/xertetoolkits/play.php?template_id=6973 It is in Dutch but maybe with google translate and youtube subtitles it will succeed. Regards, Katrien ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Katrien Bernaerts | Projectbegeleider Toll-net Mobiel: +32 496 523058 Tel.: +32 2 514 19 00 (Provinciaal Onderwijs Vlaanderen) e-mail: katrien.bernaerts at toll-net.be website: http://www.toll-net.be skype: katrienb twitter: kbernaerts linkedin: http://be.linkedin.com/pub/katrien-bernaerts/10/55b/95 From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Oct 24 21:47:58 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:47:58 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Message-ID: <5269877E.2050805@tor.nl> Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 18487 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 11902 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 6243 bytes Desc: not available URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Oct 25 09:11:09 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:11:09 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: <007f01ced156$7b639700$722ac500$@co.uk> References: <5269877E.2050805@tor.nl> <007f01ced156$7b639700$722ac500$@co.uk> Message-ID: <526A279D.4080507@tor.nl> committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: > > Hi Tom > > re issue 1 > > can't see a problem with that 5px change > > re issue 2 > > I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works > fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 October 2013 21:48 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Issue 1: > > The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: > > > > This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have > problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). > Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px > i.s.o. 15px? > > > > Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: > > I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. > > > > Tom > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 18487 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am assuming the menu in German will require two monitors at least On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Issue 1: > > The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: > > > > This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems > on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). > Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px > i.s.o. 15px? > > > > Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: > > I can't upload media. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image001.png at 01CED16A.970615A0] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image002.png at 01CED16A.970615A0] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. 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Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 6243 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Oct 25 10:41:28 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:41:28 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: References: <5269877E.2050805@tor.nl> <007f01ced156$7b639700$722ac500$@co.uk> <526A279D.4080507@tor.nl> Message-ID: <526A3CC8.7090402@tor.nl> Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: > > Hi Tom, > > It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent > string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the > mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string > or something... > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > committed issue 1, > > re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta > > Tom > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: > > Hi Tom > > re issue 1 > > can't see a problem with that 5px change > > re issue 2 > > I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video > works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 October 2013 21:48 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Issue 1: > > The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: > > > > This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have > problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). > Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to > 10px i.s.o. 15px? > > > > Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: > > I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. > > > > Tom > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: > > 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST > /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null > HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" > 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST > /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" > "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" > > i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as > well. > > > Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: > > Hi Tom,**** > > ** ** > > It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent > string presents as for the new Firefox? I?ve seen issues on the > mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or > something?**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only** > ** > > ** ** > > committed issue 1, > > re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta > > Tom > > **** > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47:**** > > Hi Tom**** > > **** > > re issue 1**** > > can't see a problem with that 5px change**** > > **** > > re issue 2**** > > I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works > fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning.**** > > **** > > HTH**** > > Ron**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 October 2013 21:48 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only**** > > **** > > Issue 1: > > The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: > > > > This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems > on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). > Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px > i.s.o. 15px? > > > > Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: > > I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. > > > > Tom > > > > **** > > -- **** > > --**** > > **** > > Tom Reijnders**** > > TOR Informatica**** > > Chopinlaan 27**** > > 5242HM Rosmalen**** > > Tel: 073 5226191**** > > Fax: 073 5226196**** > > **** > > > > > > **** > > -- **** > > --**** > > **** > > Tom Reijnders**** > > TOR Informatica**** > > Chopinlaan 27**** > > 5242HM Rosmalen**** > > Tel: 073 5226191**** > > Fax: 073 5226196**** > > **** > > > > > **** > > _______________________________________________**** > > Xerte-dev mailing list**** > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk**** > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev**** > > > > **** > > -- **** > > --**** > > ** ** > > Tom Reijnders**** > > TOR Informatica**** > > Chopinlaan 27**** > > 5242HM Rosmalen**** > > Tel: 073 5226191**** > > Fax: 073 5226196**** > > ** ** > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll take a look at it tonight... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image001.png at 01CED178.5F5C2C80] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image002.png at 01CED178.5F5C2C80] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. [cid:image003.png at 01CED178.5F5C2C80] Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking at the code: function getSessionID(){ var id; var auth = 'authentication_method); ?>'; var browser = (navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('firefox') > -1) ? 'firefox' : ((navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('safari') > -1) ? 'safari' : 'other'); //Pass data to upload (Firefox Flash Cookie Bug) which we are //It first checks moodle, then defaults if (auth == 'moodle') { //Its Moodle integration so we need the whole cookie return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=' + escape(document.cookie); } else if ((id = document.cookie.match(/PHPSESSID=[^;]+/))) { // Its Default authentication so we only need session id return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=xerte&' + id; } return null; } The only reason for &null to be in the URL is if the cookie doesn't have PHPSESSID= in it (assuming you are not using Moodle). That means that Firefox 24 must be using a different session cookie identifier?!? Which is going to further complicate things... Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image001.png at 01CED17A.B4925FB0] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image002.png at 01CED17A.B4925FB0] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. 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It's always worked fine for me whether a cookie prefix is set or not. I just tested an install with and without a prefix and all seemed fine. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 12:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only OK. Looking at the code: function getSessionID(){ var id; var auth = 'authentication_method); ?>'; var browser = (navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('firefox') > -1) ? 'firefox' : ((navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('safari') > -1) ? 'safari' : 'other'); //Pass data to upload (Firefox Flash Cookie Bug) which we are //It first checks moodle, then defaults if (auth == 'moodle') { //Its Moodle integration so we need the whole cookie return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=' + escape(document.cookie); } else if ((id = document.cookie.match(/PHPSESSID=[^;]+/))) { // Its Default authentication so we only need session id return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=xerte&' + id; } return null; } The only reason for &null to be in the URL is if the cookie doesn't have PHPSESSID= in it (assuming you are not using Moodle). That means that Firefox 24 must be using a different session cookie identifier?!? Which is going to further complicate things. Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingha m/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I always had that down as something that I hadn't implemented and since I am using the default Moodle session name to restart the session in Firefox and Safari (the only two browsers needing this it present) but perhaps it isn't an issue... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:27 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point...< Hi John if what you mean by the above snippet is the ability to add a session prefix within Moodle admin so that more than one moodle installation can run on the same server and being able to be logged into each at the same time then I don't think that session prefix has any impact on using moodle authentication with Xerte. It's always worked fine for me whether a cookie prefix is set or not. I just tested an install with and without a prefix and all seemed fine. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 12:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only OK. Looking at the code: function getSessionID(){ var id; var auth = 'authentication_method); ?>'; var browser = (navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('firefox') > -1) ? 'firefox' : ((navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('safari') > -1) ? 'safari' : 'other'); //Pass data to upload (Firefox Flash Cookie Bug) which we are //It first checks moodle, then defaults if (auth == 'moodle') { //Its Moodle integration so we need the whole cookie return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=' + escape(document.cookie); } else if ((id = document.cookie.match(/PHPSESSID=[^;]+/))) { // Its Default authentication so we only need session id return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=xerte&' + id; } return null; } The only reason for &null to be in the URL is if the cookie doesn't have PHPSESSID= in it (assuming you are not using Moodle). That means that Firefox 24 must be using a different session cookie identifier?!? Which is going to further complicate things... Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image001.png at 01CED180.C0FF29D0] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image002.png at 01CED180.C0FF29D0] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. [cid:image003.png at 01CED180.C0FF29D0] Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 12:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Ah. thanks for confirming that Ron - was it in Firefox that you tested this?. I always had that down as something that I hadn't implemented and since I am using the default Moodle session name to restart the session in Firefox and Safari (the only two browsers needing this it present) but perhaps it isn't an issue. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:27 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point.< Hi John if what you mean by the above snippet is the ability to add a session prefix within Moodle admin so that more than one moodle installation can run on the same server and being able to be logged into each at the same time then I don't think that session prefix has any impact on using moodle authentication with Xerte. It's always worked fine for me whether a cookie prefix is set or not. I just tested an install with and without a prefix and all seemed fine. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 12:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only OK. Looking at the code: function getSessionID(){ var id; var auth = 'authentication_method); ?>'; var browser = (navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('firefox') > -1) ? 'firefox' : ((navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('safari') > -1) ? 'safari' : 'other'); //Pass data to upload (Firefox Flash Cookie Bug) which we are //It first checks moodle, then defaults if (auth == 'moodle') { //Its Moodle integration so we need the whole cookie return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=' + escape(document.cookie); } else if ((id = document.cookie.match(/PHPSESSID=[^;]+/))) { // Its Default authentication so we only need session id return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=xerte&' + id; } return null; } The only reason for &null to be in the URL is if the cookie doesn't have PHPSESSID= in it (assuming you are not using Moodle). That means that Firefox 24 must be using a different session cookie identifier?!? Which is going to further complicate things. Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingha m/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, I got your icon uploaded last night so you should be seeing it now if you updated any sites since... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 1:00 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi John yes I tested with Firefox but only 16.0.2 and have certainly used all browsers with installations where custom prefix is in place. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 12:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Ah... thanks for confirming that Ron - was it in Firefox that you tested this?. I always had that down as something that I hadn't implemented and since I am using the default Moodle session name to restart the session in Firefox and Safari (the only two browsers needing this it present) but perhaps it isn't an issue... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:27 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point...< Hi John if what you mean by the above snippet is the ability to add a session prefix within Moodle admin so that more than one moodle installation can run on the same server and being able to be logged into each at the same time then I don't think that session prefix has any impact on using moodle authentication with Xerte. It's always worked fine for me whether a cookie prefix is set or not. I just tested an install with and without a prefix and all seemed fine. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 12:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only OK. Looking at the code: function getSessionID(){ var id; var auth = 'authentication_method); ?>'; var browser = (navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('firefox') > -1) ? 'firefox' : ((navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('safari') > -1) ? 'safari' : 'other'); //Pass data to upload (Firefox Flash Cookie Bug) which we are //It first checks moodle, then defaults if (auth == 'moodle') { //Its Moodle integration so we need the whole cookie return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=' + escape(document.cookie); } else if ((id = document.cookie.match(/PHPSESSID=[^;]+/))) { // Its Default authentication so we only need session id return 'BROWSER=' + browser + '&AUTH=xerte&' + id; } return null; } The only reason for &null to be in the URL is if the cookie doesn't have PHPSESSID= in it (assuming you are not using Moodle). That means that Firefox 24 must be using a different session cookie identifier?!? Which is going to further complicate things... Something else that should/could go into the upload.php page is handling of Moodle session prefix which we don't cater for just now either but will come back to bite us at some point... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image001.png at 01CED183.5411B290] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image002.png at 01CED183.5411B290] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. [cid:image003.png at 01CED183.5411B290] Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? [cid:image006.jpg at 01CED18C.BBBB1630] Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image003.png at 01CED18C.81F46FF0] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image004.png at 01CED18C.81F46FF0] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. [cid:image005.png at 01CED18C.81F46FF0] Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 33219 bytes Desc: image006.jpg URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Oct 25 14:21:15 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:21:15 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: References: <5269877E.2050805@tor.nl> <007f01ced156$7b639700$722ac500$@co.uk> <526A279D.4080507@tor.nl> <526A3CC8.7090402@tor.nl> Message-ID: <526A704B.2050101@tor.nl> No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: > > Hmm.. > > Tom, are you using windows 8.1? > > I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... > Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: > > 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST > /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null > HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" > 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST > /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" > "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" > > i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first > line as well. > > Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: > > Hi Tom, > > It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the > useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues > on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different > useragent string or something... > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in > Firefox only > > committed issue 1, > > re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta > > Tom > > > Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: > > Hi Tom > > re issue 1 > > can't see a problem with that 5px change > > re issue 2 > > I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and > video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 October 2013 21:48 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in > Firefox only > > Issue 1: > > The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is > too large: > > > > This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I > have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both > Win7Pro 64bit). > Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle > to 10px i.s.o. 15px? > > > > Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: > > I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. > > > > Tom > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the > Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with > Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:image001.png at 01CED18E.722B3AC0] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? [cid:image002.jpg at 01CED18E.722B3AC0] Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image003.png at 01CED18E.722B3AC0] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image004.png at 01CED18E.722B3AC0] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. [cid:image005.png at 01CED18E.722B3AC0] Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure if this is the same problem. I thought I might also need to check whether the 'temporary' directory is working and writeable. That has been a problem before with some USB sticks in the past. I have upgraded to windows 8.1. There are a lot of new 'features' in this too! My Bluetooth Headsets no longer work with it, for example. SkyDrive is another problem - I have no write permissions over some folders! Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I'll give it a try - that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed). Let me update and try again. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me. Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingha m/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I'll give it a try - that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed). Let me update and try again. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me. Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingha m/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I'll give it a try - that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... Let me update and try again... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:image008.png at 01CED198.46D03F10] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? [cid:image009.jpg at 01CED198.46D03F10] Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingham/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: [cid:image010.png at 01CED198.46D03F10] This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? [cid:image011.png at 01CED198.46D03F10] Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. [cid:image012.png at 01CED198.46D03F10] Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 October 2013 14:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me. Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingha m/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've turned on error reporting and get this: The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BRO WSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while. Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing. perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I'll give it a try - that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed). Let me update and try again. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me. Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:41 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hmmm, they look decidedly strange to me: 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:01 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-tom-Nottingha m/media/&null HTTP/1.1" 200 - "-" "Shockwave Flash" 192.168.50.11 - - [25/Oct/2013:11:39:05 +0200] "POST /~tom/xotdev/modules/xerte/engine/file_exists.php HTTP/1.1" 200 39 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0" i.e. I would have expected some indication of firefox on the first line as well. Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 11:11: Hi Tom, It is most likely the flash cookie bug. Can you see what the useragent string presents as for the new Firefox? I've seen issues on the mediaelements Github site that IE11 has a different useragent string or something. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:11 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only committed issue 1, re issue 2, I am using Firefox 24.0, latest 2.1-beta Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 25-10-2013 9:47: Hi Tom re issue 1 can't see a problem with that 5px change re issue 2 I just tested with Firefox 16.0.2 and uploading images and video works fine for me with 2.2 code grabbed this morning. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 October 2013 21:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Issue 1: The space needed by the buttons in the Dutch translation is too large: This only happens in (some) installations of firefox, i.e. I have problems on my PC, but Inge does not on hers (Both Win7Pro 64bit). Does anyone mind if I set the margins of .file_mgt_area_middle to 10px i.s.o. 15px? Issue 2, upload of media, so far only encountered in firefox: I can't upload media. Tested with video and images. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? 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Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: > Hi Thomas > > Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... > > I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. > > You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: > > > Hi John, > > Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there's nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. > > I've turned on error reporting and get this: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > The offending line reads > > echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; > > Kindest regards, Thomas > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi Tom, Thomas, > > I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) > > POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... > > Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi, > > I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. > > I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. > > I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. > > Kindest Regards, > Thomas > ========================================================== > Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern > Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity > Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern > Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN > For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Oh right ok, I'll give it a try -- that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... > > Let me update and try again... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: > Hmm.. > > Tom, are you using windows 8.1? > > I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: > Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by > someone (I think it was Pat). > > I'll have a closer look. > > > Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: >> Hi Thomas >> >> Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... >> >> I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. >> >> You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: >> >> >> Hi John, >> >> Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there's nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. >> >> I've turned on error reporting and get this: >> >> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >> >> The offending line reads >> >> echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; >> >> Kindest regards, Thomas >> >> >> >> >> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >> >> Hi Tom, Thomas, >> >> I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: >> >> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >> >> I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) >> >> POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 >> >> SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 >> >> That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... >> >> Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) >> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >> >> Hi, >> >> I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. >> >> I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. >> >> I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Thomas >> ========================================================== >> Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern >> Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity >> Email:thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web:http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern >> Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN >> For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visithttp://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk >> >> >> >> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >> >> Oh right ok, I'll give it a try -- that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... >> >> Let me update and try again... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >> >> No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 >> >> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >> Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: >> Hmm.. >> >> Tom, are you using windows 8.1? >> >> I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? >> >> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there's nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. >>> >>> I've turned on error reporting and get this: >>> >>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>> >>> The offending line reads >>> >>> echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; >>> >>> Kindest regards, Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>> >>> Hi Tom, Thomas, >>> >>> I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: >>> >>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>> >>> I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) >>> >>> POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 >>> >>> SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 >>> >>> That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... >>> >>> Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) >>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. >>> >>> I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. >>> >>> I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. >>> >>> Kindest Regards, >>> Thomas >>> ========================================================== >>> Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern >>> Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity >>> Email:thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web:http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern >>> Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN >>> For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visithttp://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>> >>> Oh right ok, I'll give it a try -- that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... >>> >>> Let me update and try again... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>> >>> No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 >>> >>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>> Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: >>> Hmm.. >>> >>> Tom, are you using windows 8.1? >>> >>> I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? >>> >>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. 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Tom Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:31: > Re Issue 2, > > It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: > > POST > /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m > HTTP/1.1 > > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: >> Fixed this one. >> >> Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: >>> Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by >>> someone (I think it was Pat). >>> >>> I'll have a closer look. >>> >>> >>> Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: >>>> Hi Thomas >>>> >>>> Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... >>>> >>>> I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. >>>> >>>> You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there's nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. >>>> >>>> I've turned on error reporting and get this: >>>> >>>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>>> >>>> The offending line reads >>>> >>>> echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; >>>> >>>> Kindest regards, Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>> Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>>> >>>> Hi Tom, Thomas, >>>> >>>> I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: >>>> >>>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>>> >>>> I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) >>>> >>>> POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 >>>> >>>> SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 >>>> >>>> That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... >>>> >>>> Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>>> >>>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) >>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. >>>> >>>> I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. >>>> >>>> I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. >>>> >>>> Kindest Regards, >>>> Thomas >>>> ========================================================== >>>> Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern >>>> Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity >>>> Email:thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web:http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern >>>> Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN >>>> For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visithttp://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>> Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>>> >>>> Oh right ok, I'll give it a try -- that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... >>>> >>>> Let me update and try again... >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>>> >>>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only >>>> >>>> No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 >>>> >>>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>>> Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: >>>> Hmm.. >>>> >>>> Tom, are you using windows 8.1? >>>> >>>> I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? >>>> >>>> [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>>> >>>> From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d >>>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: cifdedhc.png Type: image/png Size: 27629 bytes Desc: not available URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Oct 26 11:19:56 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:19:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Message-ID: Yes i am sure that happens when you turn off cookies but then i don't understand how you get to that page as no cookies means no session?!? I would have thought that you would get the session not set message instead of the wizard if the cookie was empty... If you can add a line to alert() that document.cookie setting then you might find that it is the PHPSESSID that is different. I tried googling but get nothing... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: When debugging the issue with our install, I get an empty cookie: [cid:part1.02060907.00050905 at tor.nl] Is this is settings thing? Tom Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:31: Re Issue 2, It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: POST /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m HTTP/1.1 Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: Fixed this one. Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). I'll have a closer look. Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: Hi Thomas Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. Thanks in advance. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: cifdedhc.png Type: image/png Size: 27629 bytes Desc: cifdedhc.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Sat Oct 26 14:22:19 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:22:19 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526BC20B.4050903@tor.nl> It's just the same, empty, even if I display de cookie at that the start of the edit windows it's empty.... Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 12:19: > Yes i am sure that happens when you turn off cookies but then i don't understand how you get to that page as no cookies means no session?!? > > I would have thought that you would get the session not set message instead of the wizard if the cookie was empty... > > If you can add a line to alert() that document.cookie setting then you might find that it is the PHPSESSID that is different. I tried googling but get nothing... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > When debugging the issue with our install, I get an empty cookie: > > [cid:part1.02060907.00050905 at tor.nl] > > Is this is settings thing? > > Tom > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:31: > Re Issue 2, > > It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: > > POST /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m HTTP/1.1 > > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: > Fixed this one. > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: > Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). > > I'll have a closer look. > > > Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: > > Hi Thomas > > Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... > > I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. > > You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: > > > Hi John, > > Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there's nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. > > I've turned on error reporting and get this: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > The offending line reads > > echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; > > Kindest regards, Thomas > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi Tom, Thomas, > > I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) > > POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... > > Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi, > > I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. > > I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. > > I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. > > Kindest Regards, > Thomas > ========================================================== > Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern > Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity > Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern > Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN > For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Oh right ok, I'll give it a try -- that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... > > Let me update and try again... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: > Hmm.. > > Tom, are you using windows 8.1? > > I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Oct 26 15:18:41 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Message-ID: I can only Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: It's just the same, empty, even if I display de cookie at that the start of the edit windows it's empty.... Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 12:19: Yes i am sure that happens when you turn off cookies but then i don't understand how you get to that page as no cookies means no session?!? I would have thought that you would get the session not set message instead of the wizard if the cookie was empty... If you can add a line to alert() that document.cookie setting then you might find that it is the PHPSESSID that is different. I tried googling but get nothing... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: When debugging the issue with our install, I get an empty cookie: [cid:part1.02060907.00050905 at tor.nl] Is this is settings thing? Tom Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:31: Re Issue 2, It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: POST /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m HTTP/1.1 Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: Fixed this one. Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). I'll have a closer look. Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: Hi Thomas Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. Thanks in advance. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Oct 26 15:20:23 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:20:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Message-ID: <9iga7ishcm861we8bu2g1ies.1382797218674@email.android.com> Sorry, i can only guess that its a setting then hiding cookie from script. Can you sniff the returned page using firebug or fiddler other something? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: It's just the same, empty, even if I display de cookie at that the start of the edit windows it's empty.... Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 12:19: Yes i am sure that happens when you turn off cookies but then i don't understand how you get to that page as no cookies means no session?!? I would have thought that you would get the session not set message instead of the wizard if the cookie was empty... If you can add a line to alert() that document.cookie setting then you might find that it is the PHPSESSID that is different. I tried googling but get nothing... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: When debugging the issue with our install, I get an empty cookie: [cid:part1.02060907.00050905 at tor.nl] Is this is settings thing? Tom Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:31: Re Issue 2, It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: POST /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m HTTP/1.1 Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: Fixed this one. Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). I'll have a closer look. Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: Hi Thomas Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. Thanks in advance. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Oct 26 16:41:20 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:41:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: <526B8C05.1010702@tor.nl> References: <526B8451.7060603@tor.nl> <526B86A4.1090101@tor.nl>, <526B8C05.1010702@tor.nl> Message-ID: Hi Tom, So I'm re-reading my emails... You say it's working on the techdis sandpit in the exact same browser (Firefox v24) as you used with your install (localhost? or your full install). Some more questions: 1. Have you tried clearing your cookies as well as your cache in case there is a corrupt cookie file or your cookie path is full? 2. Have you tried on a different machine running Firefox 24? 3. Can you set me an account so that I can try logging in on your setup? 4. Are you going through a proxy that could be messing with things? 5. Are you on VPN or https? 6. Is the editor window on the exact same domain/subdomain as the workspace window? Other than those I'm at a loss to explain this... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 26 October 2013 10:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Re Issue 2, It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: POST /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m HTTP/1.1 Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: Fixed this one. Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). I'll have a closer look. Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: Hi Thomas Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. Thanks in advance. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Sat Oct 26 20:16:38 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:16:38 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: References: <526B8451.7060603@tor.nl> <526B86A4.1090101@tor.nl>, <526B8C05.1010702@tor.nl> Message-ID: <526C1516.5070301@tor.nl> Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 17:41: > Hi Tom, > > So I'm re-reading my emails... > > You say it's working on the techdis sandpit in the exact same browser (Firefox v24) as you used with your install (localhost? or your full install). Some more questions: > > 1. Have you tried clearing your cookies as well as your cache in case there is a corrupt cookie file or your cookie path is full? Yes, to no avail > 2. Have you tried on a different machine running Firefox 24? Yes, and we have the same issue > 3. Can you set me an account so that I can try logging in on your setup? Yes, will send you the details > 4. Are you going through a proxy that could be messing with things? No > 5. Are you on VPN or https? No VPN, and I was testing without http (internally I can reach the server through http) but also tried with https (externally, this server is only reachable through https) > 6. Is the editor window on the exact same domain/subdomain as the workspace window? Ehm, yes, as far as I can tell. I do get en session not set error if I clean the cache. Don't know where we loose the information. > > Other than those I'm at a loss to explain this... So am I > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > ________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 26 October 2013 10:31 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Re Issue 2, > > It's working on the vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk sandpit: > > POST /sandpit/modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1052-reijnders at tor.nl-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=moodle&COOKIE=MoodleSessiontechdismoodle%3Dp91ni1h0fmu8l8mm9aq8dta5v6%3B%20MoodleSessionTesttechdismoodle%3DOV9jqQnwS9%3B%20_ga%3DGA1.3.238155761.1382779196%3B%20MOODLEID_techdismoodle%3D%2525F1%2525C9%252517F%2525BDy%2525B5%25251C%2525F3g%2525F5%252529%2525F1%25251A%2525D4m HTTP/1.1 > > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 11:08: > Fixed this one. > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: > Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). > > I'll have a closer look. > > > Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: > > Hi Thomas > > Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... > > I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. > > You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: > > > Hi John, > > Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. > > I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > The offending line reads > > echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; > > Kindest regards, Thomas > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi Tom, Thomas, > > I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) > > POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? > > Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi, > > I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. > > I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. > > I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. > > Kindest Regards, > Thomas > ========================================================== > Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern > Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity > Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern > Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN > For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? > > Let me update and try again? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: > Hmm.. > > Tom, are you using windows 8.1? > > I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Mon Oct 28 17:11:23 2013 From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:11:23 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: =?utf-8?q?New_2=2E1=2C__there_are_2_problems_in_Firefox_only?= In-Reply-To: <526B86A4.1090101@tor.nl> References: <526B8451.7060603@tor.nl>,<526B86A4.1090101@tor.nl> Message-ID: <526ea240.2123b40a.127e.33cf@mx.google.com> Hi Tom, This seems to have changed the problem. When I run with error reporting turned on in config.php, I get a load of warnings as shown below: However the object is imported and shows up in the workspace when I click on the OK button. If I click on ?edit? I get nothing at all, but if I click on ?properties? and then list the Media, everything shows up. I can also see everything in File Explorer. You can see all this in the attached image. I?ve had a look at it with the management.php page and the access is set to ?private? however if I look at the properties, it?s set to ?public?. None of the other objects seem to exhibit this behaviour, but I?m not sure if this is a symptom or a cause! I?m surprised this doesn?t show up in proper server testing. I?ll try it on my Web Server and see if it?s something that?s specific to XAMPP/USB Drives, but I need to prepare for a visit to one of our providers tomorrow, so may not be able to fit this in today. Kindest regards, Thomas Sent from Windows Mail From: Tom Reijnders Sent: ?Saturday?, ?26? ?October? ?2013 ?10?:?08 To: For Xerte technical developers Fixed this one. Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). I'll have a closer look. Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: Hi Thomas Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. Thanks in advance. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: Clipboard02.gif Type: image/gif Size: 143977 bytes Desc: Clipboard02.gif URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Oct 28 19:09:49 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:09:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only In-Reply-To: <526ea240.2123b40a.127e.33cf@mx.google.com> References: <526B8451.7060603@tor.nl>, <526B86A4.1090101@tor.nl> <526ea240.2123b40a.127e.33cf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <526EB67D.6090106@tor.nl> Hi Thomas, It shows again, how difficult it is to test... Ok. Issue 1, the errors. I don't see those. It also is not the reason why the LO doesn't work later. What happens, is that the code loops through modules/xerte/parent_templates and examines all the .rlt file to see what templates are installed in you specific installation. Issue 2, edit and preview are empty, I see as well. I have fixed this specific bug, but I am not sure it's the same as you see. I don't have the strange behaviour with Public and Private. But, in my case there was no preview.xml in the zip to be imported, and the code expects one. If there is none, it generates an empty preview file, resulting in this strange behaviour. It's easy to check if you have the same issue. Just check whether you have an empty preview.xml file, and delete that. Check if the LO functions properly after that. I'll commit the fix in a minute. If you don't have an empty preview.xml file, could you please send me a zip file you try to import? Tom thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk schreef op 28-10-2013 18:11: > Hi Tom, > > This seems to have changed the problem. When I run with error > reporting turned on in config.php, I get a load of warnings as shown > below: > > > > However the object is imported and shows up in the workspace when I > click on the OK button. If I click on 'edit' I get nothing at all, but > if I click on 'properties' and then list the Media, everything shows > up. I can also see everything in File Explorer. You can see all this > in the attached image. > > I've had a look at it with the management.php page and the access is > set to 'private' however if I look at the properties, it's set > to 'public'. None of the other objects seem to exhibit this behaviour, > but I'm not sure if this is a symptom or a cause! > > I'm surprised this doesn't show up in proper server testing. I'll try > it on my Web Server and see if it's something that's specific to > XAMPP/USB Drives, but I need to prepare for a visit to one of our > providers tomorrow, so may not be able to fit this in today. > > Kindest regards, Thomas > Sent from Windows Mail > > *From:* Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* ?Saturday?, ?26? ?October? ?2013 ?10?:?08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > > > Fixed this one. > > Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: > > Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by > someone (I think it was Pat). > > I'll have a closer look. > > > Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: > > Hi Thomas > > Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... > > I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. > > You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: > > > Hi John, > > Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there's nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. > > I've turned on error reporting and get this: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > The offending line reads > > echo $zip $new_file_name ."
"; > > Kindest regards, Thomas > > > > > From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi Tom, Thomas, > > I've now updated the server to the latest install and I'm still not seeing the issue: > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > I've also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) > > POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > SO I'm not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 > > That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn't have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn't changed for a while... > > Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing... perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Hi, > > I've just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it's not a permissions problem with the file system. > > I don't know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it's not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. > > I've done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to 'data' after deleting the 'data' file that was there) and that works just fine. I'm not sure if I need to overwrite the 'data' file or not, but it seems to work. > > Kindest Regards, > Thomas > ========================================================== > Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern > Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity > Email:thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web:http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern > Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN > For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visithttp://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk > > > > From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > Oh right ok, I'll give it a try -- that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn't aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)... > > Let me update and try again... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only > > No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: > Hmm.. > > Tom, are you using windows 8.1? > > I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me... Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? > > [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28411_RAW at sec.galaxytab] > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-d > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Mon Oct 28 21:05:38 2013 From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:05:38 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: =?utf-8?q?New_2=2E1=2C__there_are_2_problems_in_Firefox_only?= In-Reply-To: <526EB67D.6090106@tor.nl> References: <526B8451.7060603@tor.nl>, <526B86A4.1090101@tor.nl> <526ea240.2123b40a.127e.33cf@mx.google.com>,<526EB67D.6090106@tor.nl> Message-ID: <526ed261.2a09b40a.7da8.ffff8f58@mx.google.com> ?. and how lucky we are to have you on board! Purrfect (as Pat might say). Deleting the Preview file did the trick. I?ll try the fix when it?s available to confirm this. Many thanks and kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: Tom Reijnders Sent: ?Monday?, ?28? ?October? ?2013 ?19?:?09 To: For Xerte technical developers Hi Thomas, It shows again, how difficult it is to test... Ok. Issue 1, the errors. I don't see those. It also is not the reason why the LO doesn't work later. What happens, is that the code loops through modules/xerte/parent_templates and examines all the .rlt file to see what templates are installed in you specific installation. Issue 2, edit and preview are empty, I see as well. I have fixed this specific bug, but I am not sure it's the same as you see. I don't have the strange behaviour with Public and Private. But, in my case there was no preview.xml in the zip to be imported, and the code expects one. If there is none, it generates an empty preview file, resulting in this strange behaviour. It's easy to check if you have the same issue. Just check whether you have an empty preview.xml file, and delete that. Check if the LO functions properly after that. I'll commit the fix in a minute. If you don't have an empty preview.xml file, could you please send me a zip file you try to import? Tom thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk schreef op 28-10-2013 18:11: Hi Tom, This seems to have changed the problem. When I run with error reporting turned on in config.php, I get a load of warnings as shown below: However the object is imported and shows up in the workspace when I click on the OK button. If I click on ?edit? I get nothing at all, but if I click on ?properties? and then list the Media, everything shows up. I can also see everything in File Explorer. You can see all this in the attached image. I?ve had a look at it with the management.php page and the access is set to ?private? however if I look at the properties, it?s set to ?public?. None of the other objects seem to exhibit this behaviour, but I?m not sure if this is a symptom or a cause! I?m surprised this doesn?t show up in proper server testing. I?ll try it on my Web Server and see if it?s something that?s specific to XAMPP/USB Drives, but I need to prepare for a visit to one of our providers tomorrow, so may not be able to fit this in today. Kindest regards, Thomas Sent from Windows Mail From: Tom Reijnders Sent: ?Saturday?, ?26? ?October? ?2013 ?10?:?08 To: For Xerte technical developers Fixed this one. Tom Reijnders schreef op 26-10-2013 10:58: Thomas's issue has to do with some debugging code left behind by someone (I think it was Pat). I'll have a closer look. Smith, John schreef op 26-10-2013 10:00: Hi Thomas Yes i was referring to Tom's issue number 2 but your issue seems to be a separate third issue... I think Tom made some changes to the import/export code to solve in-memory issues so he might be able to shed some light on your problem. You always seem to have a very up to date windows install though so it would be very useful if you could try to replicate the media upload issue in Firefox 24 on whatever windows version you have. I think the Jisc sandbox is running the very latest version of the software now. Thanks in advance. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance)" wrote: Hi John, Your image shows media rather than a zip being upload. My problem is that I can upload the zip file and Xerte can unzip it in the import directory, however the file does not appear in the Workspace and there?s nothing in the USER_FILES directory and nothing in the template_details table, and no success/failure message under normal settings. I?ve turned on error reporting and get this: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28415_RAW at sec.galaxytab] The offending line reads echo $zip $new_file_name .?
?; Kindest regards, Thomas From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 16:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi Tom, Thomas, I?ve now updated the server to the latest install and I?m still not seeing the issue: [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28409_RAW at sec.galaxytab] I?ve also tracked the upload.php url parameters and get the correct URL (which is why the upload happens) POST /modules/xerte/engine/upload.php?path=USER-FILES/1-pat-Nottingham/media/&BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 SO I?m not sure why you are seeing &null instead of BROWSER=firefox&AUTH=xerte&PHPSESSID=**mysession** HTTP/1.1 That is definitely the cause of the issue on your machine. The session cannot be restarted in upload.php because it doesn?t have the correct information. I assume you have cleared the cache since upgrade although the code to pass the correct info to upload.php hasn?t changed for a while? Thinking about it too, we I updated the wizard to use file_exists.php but that message you got is perhaps as confusing? perhaps we should leave the file_exists.php and create a new file which can give some better feedback on whether it is a session issue, a permissions issue, etc etc. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford (Jiscadvance) Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Hi, I?ve just checked, the files are there, in the import folder, all neatly unzipped, so it?s not a permissions problem with the file system. I don?t know enough about the way the code works the delve much deeper, but my next thoughts are that if it?s not the file system properties, it could be something to do with the SQL, or the way it transfers the date to the USER_FILES. I?ve done a manual transfer to the USER_FILES (creating a stub in the editor, then uploading the media and template.xwd into the directory created, and copying the latter to ?data? after deleting the ?data? file that was there) and that works just fine. I?m not sure if I need to overwrite the ?data? file or not, but it seems to work. Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 October 2013 14:28 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only Oh right ok, I?ll give it a try ? that server is relatively up to date (not latest though) but I wasn?t aware of any code changes to the upload path (other than the moov stuff being removed)? Let me update and try again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:21 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New 2.1, there are 2 problems in Firefox only No I am not, and I am using the latest 2.1 [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_28410_RAW at sec.galaxytab] Smith, John schreef op 25-10-2013 15:16: Hmm.. Tom, are you using windows 8.1? I just tried in Windows 7 with Firefox 24 and it worked fine for me? Can anyone else with Windows 8 or 8.1 confirm whether it works for them? 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Then I wondered if the icons would be shortcuts to that section of the properties panel e.g. a bit like Moodle edit icons I wondered if it could be a possible problem where long project names are used or different languages like Tom's recent margin resize for Dutch Then I wondered how Julian is likely to respond and whether this is this getting a bit removed from the FWS principal ;-) HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 29-10-2013 7:46: > Hi John > Looks good and I can see it would be useful for existing users with a number of projects etc but as you say could quickly become cluttered and I think possibly confusing for new users in particular. > > I wondered about a checkbox/toggle which is off and not showing the icons by default? (see attached) > > Then I wondered if instead of Show properties that should say Check properties or Quick properties. > > Then I wondered if the icons would be shortcuts to that section of the properties panel e.g. a bit like Moodle edit icons > > I wondered if it could be a possible problem where long project names are used or different languages like Tom's recent margin resize for Dutch > > Then I wondered how Julian is likely to respond and whether this is this getting a bit removed from the FWS principal ;-) > > HTH > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace > > Hi all, > > So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > > I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... > > What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 08:01:14 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:01:14 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Message-ID: Hi I do see your point Ron, which is why i sent the screenshot ( was also thinking of an information bubble on hover)... But have always found it hard to quickly identify the right LO - that was initially the incentive to add the parent template icons. Its very easy to leave the functionality in but turned off for now until after v2.1 release until written decide what would be best or possibly make it configurable. Pat and Julian had initially talked of 'stacked' icons but its going to be relatively hard to get any useful info onto a 16x16 icon... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: Hi John, The full looks OK to me. And in my opinion, people are getting used very quickly on those icons and couldn't believe they ever could work without them. Even changing/editing by clicking the icon would be clear I think. In this case, if the names are long, you get a horizontal scroll bar, so that would be ok too. I'll ask some users. Tom Ron Mitchell schreef op 29-10-2013 7:46: Hi John Looks good and I can see it would be useful for existing users with a number of projects etc but as you say could quickly become cluttered and I think possibly confusing for new users in particular. I wondered about a checkbox/toggle which is off and not showing the icons by default? (see attached) Then I wondered if instead of Show properties that should say Check properties or Quick properties. Then I wondered if the icons would be shortcuts to that section of the properties panel e.g. a bit like Moodle edit icons I wondered if it could be a possible problem where long project names are used or different languages like Tom's recent margin resize for Dutch Then I wondered how Julian is likely to respond and whether this is this getting a bit removed from the FWS principal ;-) HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 09:32:21 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:32:21 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: <003101ced472$90752680$b15f7380$@co.uk> References: <003101ced472$90752680$b15f7380$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8859008D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I think it looks cluttered too. Could they show on hover / right click? Or maybe it's the icons, perhaps if they were a bit less in your face, or smaller? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 29 October 2013 06:46 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Hi John Looks good and I can see it would be useful for existing users with a number of projects etc but as you say could quickly become cluttered and I think possibly confusing for new users in particular. I wondered about a checkbox/toggle which is off and not showing the icons by default? (see attached) Then I wondered if instead of Show properties that should say Check properties or Quick properties. Then I wondered if the icons would be shortcuts to that section of the properties panel e.g. a bit like Moodle edit icons I wondered if it could be a possible problem where long project names are used or different languages like Tom's recent margin resize for Dutch Then I wondered how Julian is likely to respond and whether this is this getting a bit removed from the FWS principal ;-) HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 09:43:21 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:43:21 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Oct 29 10:42:21 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:42:21 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing > someone else's project). > > Can we leave this until 2.2? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace > > Hi all, > > So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility > of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > > I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data > and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets > cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea > of only showing the images for the row that is selected > (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so > not sure how to handle that... > > What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 11:04:28 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:04:28 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: Yes, we can leave until v2.2, I just wanted to see how feasible since I was in that section of code doing the other icons... In fact it's best if we do leave until 2.2 as i've had to rewrite the SQL query using some complex JOINS so want to be sure that it still covers everything it does now... It's easily commented out... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] Sent: 29 October 2013 10:42 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 11:12:46 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:12:46 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oh as for the 'is a share' icon, I couldn't figure out how to do a single SQL statement to do that due to the way the db is structured... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:43 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From i.donkervoort at 12change.eu Tue Oct 29 11:18:04 2013 From: i.donkervoort at 12change.eu (Inge Donkervoort 12Change) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:18:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526F996C.2050807@12change.eu> Hi John, I really like this! Doesnt matter that there are more icons on the page. I'll ask Katrien from Belgium to look at this as well. Bye, Inge Op 28-10-2013 23:18, Smith, John schreef: > Hi all, > > So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > > I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... > > What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 11:20:21 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:20:21 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable... It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Oct 29 11:53:50 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:53:50 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" schreef: >I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really >long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows >and having the icons underneath and toggleable... > >It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to >select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button >that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... > >Regards, > >John Smith >Learning Technologist >School of Health & Life Sciences >Glasgow Caledonian University > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >Pgogy >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > >The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with >any theme? > >I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? > >I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the >properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties >and do lots of important stuff). > >2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use >- would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also >demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have >missed (or is that atypical techie talk) > >On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney >> >wrote: >As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing >someone else's project). > >Can we leave this until 2.2? > >-----Original Message----- >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >On Behalf Of Smith, John >Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 >To: >xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace >Hi all, > >So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the >feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain >statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > >I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required >data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon >gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with >the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected >(XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row >so not sure how to handle that... > >What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... > >Regards, > >John Smith | Learning Technologist >Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >SC021474 > >Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year >2009. >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > >Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland >partners. >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > >Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >SC021474 > >Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year >2009. >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > >Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland >partners. >http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" > schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron?s question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable? It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons? perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Oct 29 13:16:11 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:16:11 -0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00ad01ced4a9$0af36d50$20da47f0$@co.uk> and toggle off by default? ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron?s question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable? It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons? perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Oct 29 13:51:08 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:51:08 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: <00ad01ced4a9$0af36d50$20da47f0$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00ad01ced4a9$0af36d50$20da47f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > and toggle off by default? ;-)**** > > ** ** > > Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it > very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those > sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves > can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more > options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all > they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without > providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then > select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for > supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's > unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added > John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn > editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a > much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile > settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-)**** > > ** ** > > HTH**** > > Ron**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Smith, John > *Sent:* 29 October 2013 12:10 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace**** > > ** ** > > OK, smaller icons and toggle?**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace**** > > ** ** > > No, in my opinion you should just show them. > > Really, people are used to icons. > > If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's > proposal is best: provide a global toggle > > Tom > > **** > > "Smith, John" schreef:**** > > I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron?s question about really long > LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having > the icons underneath and toggleable?**** > > **** > > It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to > select each LO to see the icons? perhaps a tick box or a show button that > toggles or shows icons that then fade out again?**** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > **** > > John Smith**** > > Learning Technologist**** > > School of Health & Life Sciences**** > > Glasgow Caledonian University**** > > **** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace**** > > **** > > The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with > any theme?**** > > **** > > I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons?**** > > **** > > I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the > properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and > do lots of important stuff).**** > > **** > > 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - > would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate > some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that > atypical techie talk)**** > > **** > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:**** > > As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing > someone else's project). > > Can we leave this until 2.2?**** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace**** > > Hi all, > > So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility > of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > > I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data > and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets > cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea > of only showing the images for the row that is selected > (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so > not sure how to handle that... > > What do you think? 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URL: From i.donkervoort at 12change.eu Tue Oct 29 17:54:00 2013 From: i.donkervoort at 12change.eu (Inge Donkervoort 12Change) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 18:54:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885900B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00ad01ced4a9$0af36d50$20da47f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <526FF638.9020001@12change.eu> Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 12Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell > > wrote: > > and toggle off by default... ;-) > > Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would > find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can > actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I > don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. > public/private because there are obviously more options to set > than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do > is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without > providing more value than that then you still have to select the > LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those > responsible for supporting staff and students in their > organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's > certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like > moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so > the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much > longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile > settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] *On Behalf Of > *Smith, John > *Sent:* 29 October 2013 12:10 > > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > OK, smaller icons and toggle... > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > No, in my opinion you should just show them. > > Really, people are used to icons. > > If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then > Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle > > Tom > > "Smith, John" > > schreef: > > I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about > really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand > to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable... > > It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need > to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show > button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better > with any theme? > > I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? > > I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - > the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more > properties and do lots of important stuff). > > 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier > to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might > also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people > have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm > sharing someone else's project). > > Can we leave this until 2.2? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of > Smith, John > Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace > > Hi all, > > So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the > feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance > certain statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > > I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the > required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine > Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have > also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the > row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you > can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... > > What do you think? 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 21:53:33 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:53:33 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Message-ID: Hi Inge There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Inge Donkervoort 12Change wrote: Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell > wrote: and toggle off by default? ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" > schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron?s question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable? It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons? perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 22:19:31 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:19:31 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C8801E527@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically. Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Hi Inge There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Inge Donkervoort 12Change wrote: Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell > wrote: and toggle off by default? ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" > schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron?s question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable? It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons? perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 22:32:00 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:32:00 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Message-ID: Yes, As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately... Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically. Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Hi Inge There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Inge Donkervoort 12Change wrote: Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu> T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell > wrote: and toggle off by default? ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" > schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron?s question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable? It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons? perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 09:24:56 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:24:56 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885905EE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I'll see what I can do... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 22:32 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Yes, As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately... Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically. Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Hi Inge There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Inge Donkervoort 12Change wrote: Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu> T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell > wrote: and toggle off by default... ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" > schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable... It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Oct 30 11:03:52 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:03:52 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885905EE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885905EE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Question on the thinking I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? Public I can see, so on and so forth Perhaps we could make a case for a drop down next to "sort" to show Public Shared RSS Which would remove all the non-public and so on This might be a little more useful than symbols? Though I do like the symbols, but I prefer them as buttons. AND *retreats to cave* Perhaps this is a case for having the panel below the workspace become a properties panel light So you could click on a project, and the panel appears for that project with options for Renaming Public RSS Open and so on? On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > I'll see what I can do... > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 October 2013 22:32 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > Yes, > > As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater > support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately... > > Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... > 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the > idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically. > > Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I > know, with only 8x8px)? > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [ > J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] > Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > Hi Inge > > There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. > Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But > yes it is on the cards... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Inge Donkervoort 12Change wrote: > > > Hi, > > Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol > for share LO's? > She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. > > Bye, > Inge > > 1 2 Change > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242 HM Rosmalen > T 073-5226195 > F 073-5226196 > E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > I www.12change.eu http://www.12change.eu>> > > T twitter > L linkedIn > > Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell > wrote: > and toggle off by default... ;-) > > Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it > very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those > sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves > can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more > options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all > they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without > providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then > select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for > supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's > unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added > John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn > editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a > much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile > settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) > > HTH > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > OK, smaller icons and toggle... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > No, in my opinion you should just show them. > > Really, people are used to icons. > > If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's > proposal is best: provide a global toggle > > Tom > > "Smith, John" > schreef: > I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long > LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having > the icons underneath and toggleable... > > > It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to > select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that > toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... > > > Regards, > > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > > > The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with > any theme? > > > I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? > > > I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the > properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and > do lots of important stuff). > > > 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - > would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate > some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that > atypical techie talk) > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> > wrote: > As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing > someone else's project). > > Can we leave this until 2.2? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, > > So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility > of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: > > Private/Public > Flash vs Javascript > RSS syndicated > Shared with a collaborator > (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) > > I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data > and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets > cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea > of only showing the images for the row that is selected > (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so > not sure how to handle that... > > What do you think? 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 11:09:08 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:09:08 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885905EE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885906E3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? The user won't see the icon to begin with, then shares the project, then sees the icon - so it's (at least sort of) obvious? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 30 October 2013 11:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Question on the thinking I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? Public I can see, so on and so forth Perhaps we could make a case for a drop down next to "sort" to show Public Shared RSS Which would remove all the non-public and so on This might be a little more useful than symbols? Though I do like the symbols, but I prefer them as buttons. AND *retreats to cave* Perhaps this is a case for having the panel below the workspace become a properties panel light So you could click on a project, and the panel appears for that project with options for Renaming Public RSS Open and so on? On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: I'll see what I can do... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 22:32 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Yes, As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately... Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically. Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Hi Inge There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Inge Donkervoort 12Change > wrote: Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> I www.12change.eu> T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell >> wrote: and toggle off by default... ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" >> schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable... It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney >> wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 11:53:12 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:53:12 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885906E3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885905EE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C885906E3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C88590736@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> There's a consistency thing here: Are the icons on or off, i.e. shown or not shown (like sharing - there is no 'not sharing icon'), or are they different states (i.e. the Flash /. Html one, which is always shown in one state or another). What do you think? Is there a need for consistency in how they operate, i.e. on / off or toggling between states? If you toggle between states you could end up with a lot of icons for various things. Is the flash / html icon needed - or should we show a warning if the piece is flash, i.e. [cid:image005.png at 01CED566.84DB0610] The famfamfam bullets have some icons that look OK small and are in-keeping with the others we use elsewhere. Also there are some smaller icons on the page_white icons in there that are easily taken out of the larger icon. [cid:image001.png at 01CED566.9C269DC0] [cid:image002.png at 01CED562.C09AE110] [cid:image003.png at 01CED562.C09AE110] Could I suggest this as the icon for a Xerte Online Toolkits project, it's just a bit softer / more inkeeping with the other icons: [cid:image008.png at 01CED566.9C269DC0] (looks a bit crap here for some reason). They are all attached. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 October 2013 11:09 To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace > I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? The user won't see the icon to begin with, then shares the project, then sees the icon - so it's (at least sort of) obvious? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 30 October 2013 11:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Question on the thinking I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? Public I can see, so on and so forth Perhaps we could make a case for a drop down next to "sort" to show Public Shared RSS Which would remove all the non-public and so on This might be a little more useful than symbols? Though I do like the symbols, but I prefer them as buttons. AND *retreats to cave* Perhaps this is a case for having the panel below the workspace become a properties panel light So you could click on a project, and the panel appears for that project with options for Renaming Public RSS Open and so on? On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: I'll see what I can do... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 22:32 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Yes, As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately... Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically. Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk] Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace Hi Inge There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Inge Donkervoort 12Change > wrote: Hi, Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's? She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item. Bye, Inge 1 2 Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> I www.12change.eu> T twitter L linkedIn Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory.... On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell >> wrote: and toggle off by default... ;-) Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-) HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace OK, smaller icons and toggle... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace No, in my opinion you should just show them. Really, people are used to icons. If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle Tom "Smith, John" >> schreef: I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable... It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme? I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons? I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff). 2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney >> wrote: As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project). Can we leave this until 2.2? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all, So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses: Private/Public Flash vs Javascript RSS syndicated Shared with a collaborator (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of) I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that... What do you think? I'm looking for ideas... 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