[Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

Wed Nov 13 14:44:02 GMT 2013

It's become a bit like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y ;-)

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:30 PM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

Fair enough...

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:21 PM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

> Still not 100% convinced about potentially shutting out the 'poorer' sections of the world where they are potentially locked into IE6/7 even if it is because the only thing they have is a knockoff of Windows 98SE or XP_SP0

Maybe, but there are very good reasons to develop for a modern browser, especially in a free project, and there is a reasonableness test here: how reasonable is it for a free project developed out of goodwill to hamper itself by trying to accommodate old technology? I think too much good developer time has been lost to IE6 already. Time to move on.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 13 November 2013 14:05
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

Yeah I think depending on where you look you will definitely see differently skewed stats - I rate statcounter because of the number of sites (more coverage) is showing about 1% usage of IE6/7 over 3million sites and about 11% if you include IE6-8

So perhaps Julian is right, perhaps we should only focus on supporting IE8+

Still not 100% convinced about potentially shutting out the 'poorer' sections of the world where they are potentially locked into IE6/7 even if it is because the only thing they have is a knockoff of Windows 98SE or XP_SP0

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:15 AM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

I think those w3schools results are skewed by the type of content/purpose of their site.
In my experience on desktops/laptops IE is still the default in most education establishments especially FE, ACL etc
It also seems to have become common to also have Chrome or Firefox installed/available (mostly driven by Moodle drag and drop) but these are not very often set as the default so non technical users follow a link and it still opens in IE.
This is obviously mostly anecdotal but certainly reflected by stats on sites to which I have access to that kind of info.

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 13 November 2013 10:48
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

I suppose if you use something like this as an indicator http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_explorer.asp then we see that last month <5% of visitors to w3schools used IE6-8

But if you look at something like this (last year admittedly http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/23/current-status-of-the-browser-wars/), then in Asia we have 23% still using IE6-8. Not an insignificant market by any means...

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:03 AM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

> I've been trying hard to maintain IE6+ support in xenith but it does make it hard to stay cutting edge though...

Quite. I think there's only so much we can reasonably do.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 13 November 2013 10:00
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

There's lots of cool stuff out there but we're almost getting to the reverse of what happened 5-6 years ago with Chrome now being the leader... back then Microsoft added all this proprietary stuff that developers loved and then developers used it and to this day we have web apps that only work fully in IE... there are about 4 systems currently in use at GCU where IE is the only browser that you can get 100% functionality on and 1 app that I can no longer actually use as it doesn't work in IE9 and above (only IE6-8)...

I've been trying hard to maintain IE6+ support in xenith but it does make it hard to stay cutting edge though...

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:49 AM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/

Cool stuff here.

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