[Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Thu Apr 25 15:24:55 BST 2013 

Done....
Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
> OK, the UoN xerte site now points to 
> http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip 
> for the download. Let me know if that's not correct...
>
> ...and please build a zip!
>
> *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 15:06
> *To:* Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers 
> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
> *Cc:* Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay 
> Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge 
> (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk)
> *Subject:* RE: Community Website
>
> I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community 
> site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the 
> typography consistent at least.
>
> I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out 
> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any 
> further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new 
> stuff.
>
> I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and 
> made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced 
> the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you 
> might not see the changes just yet.
>
> Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site 
> to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the 
> link be 
> http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? 
> At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create 
> account to download' stuff we talked about.
>
> I would prefer to direct people to both 
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in 
> information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the 
> community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now 
> (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if 
> you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to 
> write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that.
>
> Next week I can help with the community site -- I'm out of the office 
> tomorrow.
>
> *From:*Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:57
> *To:* Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers 
> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)
> *Cc:* Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu 
> <mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>); 'Fay Cross' 
> (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>); Nuno 
> Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk>)
> *Subject:* RE: Community Website
>
> That's very odd -- I can't replicate those issues (except the 
> typography styles -- that's a consequence of things being written by 
> different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style 
> guide).
>
> The whole point -- to me -- about a community site is that it will 
> evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need 
> to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping 
> around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to 
> on the Resources page.
>
> I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be 
> launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit 
> of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site 
> for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of 
> the community feel?
>
> We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a 
> consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather 
> than later!
>
> Alistair
>
> *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:41
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)
> *Cc:* Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change 
> (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu <mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>); 'Fay 
> Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>); Nuno Jorge 
> (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk>)
> *Subject:* Community Website
>
> I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public 
> consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and 
> wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the 
> downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you 
> navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is 
> inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font 
> sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource 
> panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ 
> page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all 
> just a bit of a mess if you ask me.
>
> I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can 
> do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it 
> doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools.
>
> At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site 
> and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community 
> site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We 
> can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, 
> and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to 
> toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well.
>
> So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we 
> always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without 
> letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from 
> www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte <http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte>: they 
> just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community 
> site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work.
>
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