[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

Julian Tenney Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
Fri Apr 12 09:19:46 BST 2013


I haven't tried yet, but might get some time later, otherwise, next week,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 12 April 2013 09:13
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

The patch I got from Julian is 2,327 but progress of sorts...

Has anyone else got this working?

I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email received to file system
Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then Patch all items
Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no idea why it didn't previously following exact same process
TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder
Copy that code over existing working localhost install
Visit upgrade.php

This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash for existing projects
Existing projects play via Flash but...
I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks
Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get failed to create template
If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it plays via html5

HTH
Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 12 April 2013 07:34
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size.
Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef:
Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch?
If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

Strange.

Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags.

Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> schreef:
Cheers got it!


I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me...


1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code
2. Exported patched version
3. Dropped over a localhost test install


I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked
But I can't untick that or tick the flash option
When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow
and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template


I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there?


HTH
Ron


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess


I've just sent it on...


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess


Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it.
Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> schreef:
Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update.


Ron


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess


I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian.
Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef:
As an addition:

Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show :
1. if the template_frame=xerte  in the engine set by the user
2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php

Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine.

Some is true for preview.

You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed)

I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-)

Tom


Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef:
Almost finished.

I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page

- Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview
- Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play
- Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview
- Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click
- Move site to its own module dir
- Changed basic.sql
- updates upgrade.php

Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet

Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752)

It's about 2.2Mb
Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> schreef:
Hello,


Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again


The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work.


I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options?


This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab


OR


You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present


I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed


https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well


Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too


REMEMBER


if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well


Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :)

Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality



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[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess


There are some subtle differences:

Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need  to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/<framework> php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option.

And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use.

I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together.

As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php.

Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php

Right Pat?

I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward.

If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works.

Tom
Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef:
I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle


Mangle away... this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to:


The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel;
Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / html URLs would actually be available
Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion
The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc
Principle: existing links continue to work

Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way
We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?)


Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do the work once...


Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up,


Julian




From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess


I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff.


I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes.


You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round.


I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle

Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality
On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn't be there really.

We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think.

What do others think?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>
Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

True, and happy to shut up

But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html<http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html> - but it didn't go anywhere

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Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things:

- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently?
- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else.

At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery).

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So...

/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise
/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.

I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that?

Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it.

HTH
Ron

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Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

Howdy

I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must.

Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years?

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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"Pat @ Pgogy" <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>> wrote:


Could we use the following URL structure?

Can the play URL be

Play.php?template_id=560
And
Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML

And not playhtml.php?

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