From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 2 07:53:09 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:53:09 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking Message-ID: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> I've will commit several changes shortly. - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! 1. Export I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because there are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For now I've added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use Flash (off by default). - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported with a preference for html5. - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. 2. SCORM I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For now, it will track page visits. I will write up an article of the design, and how you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to know if and for how long a page is visited, you don't need to do anything.) - SCORM tracking is determined on export. a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming week(s). - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some challenges to work out there...) - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it no longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before calling, but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I have the old page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the parameter) in that fuction, and I can handle all tracking in x_changePage. So to move a page forward call x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 2 11:56:03 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:56:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking In-Reply-To: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> References: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> Message-ID: <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> Hi Tom I've put the latest svn code (including these updates) in place on the techdis /xot install The export and ability to view html 5 locally seems to work great! However it seems I can't select to export using only the flash engine e.g. can't un-tick Use HTML5 Engine and with both selected I only get index.htm with HTML5 playback not Flash also? The same applies to a localhost xampp install too. Although both are updates not new installs. Haven't tried the scorm exports yet but the above applies to both deployment and archive. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 02 April 2013 07:53 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking I've will commit several changes shortly. - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! 1. Export I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because there are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For now I've added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use Flash (off by default). - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported with a preference for html5. - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. 2. SCORM I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For now, it will track page visits. I will write up an article of the design, and how you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to know if and for how long a page is visited, you don't need to do anything.) - SCORM tracking is determined on export. a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming week(s). - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some challenges to work out there...) - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it no longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before calling, but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I have the old page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the parameter) in that fuction, and I can handle all tracking in x_changePage. So to move a page forward call x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 2 13:08:38 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:08:38 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking In-Reply-To: <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> References: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <20130402140838.19096e1494t9iuyu@server.tor.nl> Thanks, for trying this out. As far as I can follow you the tickmarks aren't working properly. Will fix a.s.a.p. Tom Citeren Ron Mitchell : > Hi Tom > I've put the latest svn code (including these updates) in place on the > techdis /xot install > The export and ability to view html 5 locally seems to work great! However > it seems I can't select to export using only the flash engine e.g. can't > un-tick Use HTML5 Engine and with both selected I only get index.htm with > HTML5 playback not Flash also? The same applies to a localhost xampp install > too. Although both are updates not new installs. > > Haven't tried the scorm exports yet but the above applies to both deployment > and archive. > > HTH > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 02 April 2013 07:53 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking > > I've will commit several changes shortly. > > - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! > > 1. Export > > I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because there > are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For now I've > added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use Flash (off by > default). > > - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object > - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover > (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) > - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported with a > preference for html5. > - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper > functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. > > 2. SCORM > > I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For now, it > will track page visits. I will write up an article of the design, and how > you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to know if and for how > long a page is visited, you don't need to do anything.) > > - SCORM tracking is determined on export. > a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking > b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking > c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking > > - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming > week(s). > > - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some challenges to > work out there...) > > - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it no > longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before calling, > but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I have the old > page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the parameter) in that fuction, > and I can handle all tracking in x_changePage. So to move a page forward > call x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE > x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. 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From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 3 11:55:01 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:55:01 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking In-Reply-To: <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> References: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <515C0A85.2080202@tor.nl> Ron, I had some (unrelated) issues with my server, so couldn't fix the problem with the checkboxes. Fix is committed now. (Didn't have the time to test extensively) Tom Op 2-4-2013 12:56, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > I've put the latest svn code (including these updates) in place on the > techdis /xot install > The export and ability to view html 5 locally seems to work great! However > it seems I can't select to export using only the flash engine e.g. can't > un-tick Use HTML5 Engine and with both selected I only get index.htm with > HTML5 playback not Flash also? The same applies to a localhost xampp install > too. Although both are updates not new installs. > > Haven't tried the scorm exports yet but the above applies to both deployment > and archive. > > HTH > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 02 April 2013 07:53 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking > > I've will commit several changes shortly. > > - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! > > 1. Export > > I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because there > are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For now I've > added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use Flash (off by > default). > > - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object > - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover > (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) > - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported with a > preference for html5. > - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper > functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. > > 2. SCORM > > I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For now, it > will track page visits. I will write up an article of the design, and how > you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to know if and for how > long a page is visited, you don't need to do anything.) > > - SCORM tracking is determined on export. > a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking > b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking > c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking > > - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming > week(s). > > - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some challenges to > work out there...) > > - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it no > longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before calling, > but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I have the old > page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the parameter) in that fuction, > and I can handle all tracking in x_changePage. So to move a page forward > call x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE > x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 3 12:36:31 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:36:31 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking In-Reply-To: <515C0A85.2080202@tor.nl> References: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> <515C0A85.2080202@tor.nl> Message-ID: <03a801ce305f$80180fd0$80482f70$@co.uk> Hi Tom seems to work fine now! I was able to export and test all three deployment and archive options e.g. html 5 only, flash only and both for archive and deployment. I notice that with the archive option both models and common folders are included even when selecting only html5 or only Flash but that's a minor point and maybe even desirable. Good that the same thing doesn't apply with deployment though unless both options are checked. I haven't tested the scorm options yet but will do at some point. In your original message about this did you say that the quiz tracking won't currently work? HTH Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 03 April 2013 11:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking Ron, I had some (unrelated) issues with my server, so couldn't fix the problem with the checkboxes. Fix is committed now. (Didn't have the time to test extensively) Tom Op 2-4-2013 12:56, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > I've put the latest svn code (including these updates) in place on the > techdis /xot install The export and ability to view html 5 locally > seems to work great! However it seems I can't select to export using > only the flash engine e.g. can't un-tick Use HTML5 Engine and with > both selected I only get index.htm with > HTML5 playback not Flash also? The same applies to a localhost xampp > install too. Although both are updates not new installs. > > Haven't tried the scorm exports yet but the above applies to both > deployment and archive. > > HTH > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 02 April 2013 07:53 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking > > I've will commit several changes shortly. > > - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! > > 1. Export > > I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because > there are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For > now I've added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use > Flash (off by default). > > - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object > - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover > (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) > - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported > with a preference for html5. > - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper > functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. > > 2. SCORM > > I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For > now, it will track page visits. I will write up an article of the > design, and how you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to > know if and for how long a page is visited, you don't need to do > anything.) > > - SCORM tracking is determined on export. > a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking > b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking > c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking > > - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming > week(s). > > - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some > challenges to work out there...) > > - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it > no longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before > calling, but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I > have the old page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the > parameter) in that fuction, and I can handle all tracking in > x_changePage. So to move a page forward call > x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 3 13:51:02 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:51:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking In-Reply-To: <03a801ce305f$80180fd0$80482f70$@co.uk> References: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> <515C0A85.2080202@tor.nl>,<03a801ce305f$80180fd0$80482f70$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F6829F6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> brilliant, thanks for this, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 03 April 2013 12:36 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking Hi Tom seems to work fine now! I was able to export and test all three deployment and archive options e.g. html 5 only, flash only and both for archive and deployment. I notice that with the archive option both models and common folders are included even when selecting only html5 or only Flash but that's a minor point and maybe even desirable. Good that the same thing doesn't apply with deployment though unless both options are checked. I haven't tested the scorm options yet but will do at some point. In your original message about this did you say that the quiz tracking won't currently work? HTH Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 03 April 2013 11:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking Ron, I had some (unrelated) issues with my server, so couldn't fix the problem with the checkboxes. Fix is committed now. (Didn't have the time to test extensively) Tom Op 2-4-2013 12:56, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > I've put the latest svn code (including these updates) in place on the > techdis /xot install The export and ability to view html 5 locally > seems to work great! However it seems I can't select to export using > only the flash engine e.g. can't un-tick Use HTML5 Engine and with > both selected I only get index.htm with > HTML5 playback not Flash also? The same applies to a localhost xampp > install too. Although both are updates not new installs. > > Haven't tried the scorm exports yet but the above applies to both > deployment and archive. > > HTH > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 02 April 2013 07:53 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking > > I've will commit several changes shortly. > > - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! > > 1. Export > > I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because > there are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For > now I've added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use > Flash (off by default). > > - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object > - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover > (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) > - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported > with a preference for html5. > - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper > functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. > > 2. SCORM > > I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For > now, it will track page visits. I will write up an article of the > design, and how you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to > know if and for how long a page is visited, you don't need to do > anything.) > > - SCORM tracking is determined on export. > a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking > b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking > c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking > > - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming > week(s). > > - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some > challenges to work out there...) > > - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it > no longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before > calling, but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I > have the old page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the > parameter) in that fuction, and I can handle all tracking in > x_changePage. So to move a page forward call > x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 3 14:35:59 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:35:59 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking In-Reply-To: <03a801ce305f$80180fd0$80482f70$@co.uk> References: <515A8055.3070907@tor.nl> <02d701ce2f90$ac74e0a0$055ea1e0$@co.uk> <515C0A85.2080202@tor.nl> <03a801ce305f$80180fd0$80482f70$@co.uk> Message-ID: <515C303F.3000000@tor.nl> At the moment, the quiz tracking doesn;t work anymore. But I am working on that. So - now ther is page tracking. Scorm will track in what order pages have been visited, and for how long - quiz score will be in there shortly - I'll try to add 'scores' for all interactivities before April 26 After that is also answer tracking and Tin Can Tom Op 3-4-2013 13:36, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > seems to work fine now! > I was able to export and test all three deployment and archive options e.g. > html 5 only, flash only and both for archive and deployment. I notice that > with the archive option both models and common folders are included even > when selecting only html5 or only Flash but that's a minor point and maybe > even desirable. Good that the same thing doesn't apply with deployment > though unless both options are checked. > > I haven't tested the scorm options yet but will do at some point. In your > original message about this did you say that the quiz tracking won't > currently work? > > HTH > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 03 April 2013 11:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Export and first go at new way of Tracking > > Ron, > > I had some (unrelated) issues with my server, so couldn't fix the problem > with the checkboxes. > Fix is committed now. (Didn't have the time to test extensively) > > Tom > > > Op 2-4-2013 12:56, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Hi Tom >> I've put the latest svn code (including these updates) in place on the >> techdis /xot install The export and ability to view html 5 locally >> seems to work great! However it seems I can't select to export using >> only the flash engine e.g. can't un-tick Use HTML5 Engine and with >> both selected I only get index.htm with >> HTML5 playback not Flash also? The same applies to a localhost xampp >> install too. Although both are updates not new installs. >> >> Haven't tried the scorm exports yet but the above applies to both >> deployment and archive. >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 02 April 2013 07:53 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Export and first go at new way of Tracking >> >> I've will commit several changes shortly. >> >> - Be aware that I have changed the Engine, the preloader AND xenith.js! >> >> 1. Export >> >> I implemented a first pass of the export. It's a first pass because >> there are still discussions going on, on how to implement export. For >> now I've added two checkboxes: Use HTML5 (checked by default) and Use >> Flash (off by default). >> >> - If none is chosen, export creates an html5 object >> - If both are chosen, both are available, but no automatic failover >> (index.htm for html5 and index_flash.htm for flash) >> - With any of the scorm packages only one engine will be exported >> with a preference for html5. >> - I cleaned up a lot of file with respect to the javascript helper >> functions that are needed by xmlEngine.swf. They are now in rlohelper.js. >> >> 2. SCORM >> >> I implemented a new way of SCORM tracking in flash and in HTML5. For >> now, it will track page visits. I will write up an article of the >> design, and how you can add tracking to new pages (if you only want to >> know if and for how long a page is visited, you don't need to do >> anything.) >> >> - SCORM tracking is determined on export. >> a. If you export a Scorm2004 zip, you get full scorm 2004 tracking >> b. If you export a scorm 1.2 package, you et full Scorm 1.2 tracking >> c. If you export a deployment zip, you get no tracking >> >> - The quiz tracking is broken for now. I'll fix that in the upcoming >> week(s). >> >> - I plan to add Tin Can tracking as well (but there are some >> challenges to work out there...) >> >> - In xenith.js, I changed the x_changePage() API function, in that it >> no longer expects x_currentPage to be set to the correct value before >> calling, but it expects the new value as a parameter. In that way, I >> have the old page (in x_currentPage) and the new page (in the >> parameter) in that fuction, and I can handle all tracking in >> x_changePage. So to move a page forward call >> x_changePage(x_currentPage+1); BEWARE that you MUST NOT CHANGE > x_currentPage here, so do NOT call x_changePage(x_currentPage++). >> Tom >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not >> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in >> any attachment. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From magicdream1999 at libero.it Wed Apr 3 14:46:56 2013 From: magicdream1999 at libero.it (magicdream1999 at libero.it) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Change skin of toolkits Message-ID: <4910911.3412221364996816715.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Hi all of you, my little question is how to change skin of XOT, i mean arrow, button and so on. In the code there isn't flash source code, but i need to custom my XOT for my Organizations. Thank you very much. Lukas From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 3 14:57:15 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:57:15 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change skin of toolkits In-Reply-To: <4910911.3412221364996816715.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <4910911.3412221364996816715.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <515C353B.8080402@tor.nl> There is flash source code is you need it in svn. The source of the Engine is in xerte (not xot) But if you have a bit of patience, you could use the html5 engine, which in theory should be easier to customize thruogh css. Xerte svn repository: http://code.google.com/p/xerte XOT svn repository: http://code.google.com/p/xerteonlinetoolkits Tom Op 3-4-2013 15:46, magicdream1999 at libero.it schreef: > Hi all of you, > my little question is how to change skin of XOT, i mean arrow, button and so > on. > In the code there isn't flash source code, but i need to custom my XOT for my > Organizations. > Thank you very much. > Lukas > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From magicdream1999 at libero.it Wed Apr 3 15:06:27 2013 From: magicdream1999 at libero.it (magicdream1999 at libero.it) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Xerte-dev] R: Re: Change skin of toolkits Message-ID: <25538861.3426191364997987479.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Thanks, when will it be ready? >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: reijnders at tor.nl >Data: 03/04/2013 15.57 >A: "magicdream1999 at libero.it", "For Xerte technical developers" >Ogg: Re: [Xerte-dev] Change skin of toolkits > >There is flash source code is you need it in svn. > >The source of the Engine is in xerte (not xot) > >But if you have a bit of patience, you could use the html5 engine, which >in theory should be easier to customize thruogh css. > >Xerte svn repository: http://code.google.com/p/xerte > >XOT svn repository: http://code.google.com/p/xerteonlinetoolkits > >Tom > >Op 3-4-2013 15:46, magicdream1999 at libero.it schreef: >> Hi all of you, >> my little question is how to change skin of XOT, i mean arrow, button and so >> on. >> In the code there isn't flash source code, but i need to custom my XOT for my >> Organizations. >> Thank you very much. >> Lukas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > >-- >-- > >Tom Reijnders >TOR Informatica >Chopinlaan 27 >5242HM Rosmalen >Tel: 073 5226191 >Fax: 073 5226196 > > From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 3 15:47:02 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:47:02 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: R: Re: Change skin of toolkits In-Reply-To: <25538861.3426191364997987479.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <25538861.3426191364997987479.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <515C40E6.2010303@tor.nl> Ehmm. Real soon now. Difficult to give an exact date, because this is a open source project but hopefully end of this month. Op 3-4-2013 16:06, magicdream1999 at libero.it schreef: > Thanks, > when will it be ready? > >> ----Messaggio originale---- >> Da: reijnders at tor.nl >> Data: 03/04/2013 15.57 >> A: "magicdream1999 at libero.it", "For Xerte technical > developers" >> Ogg: Re: [Xerte-dev] Change skin of toolkits >> >> There is flash source code is you need it in svn. >> >> The source of the Engine is in xerte (not xot) >> >> But if you have a bit of patience, you could use the html5 engine, which >> in theory should be easier to customize thruogh css. >> >> Xerte svn repository: http://code.google.com/p/xerte >> >> XOT svn repository: http://code.google.com/p/xerteonlinetoolkits >> >> Tom >> >> Op 3-4-2013 15:46, magicdream1999 at libero.it schreef: >>> Hi all of you, >>> my little question is how to change skin of XOT, i mean arrow, button and > so >>> on. >>> In the code there isn't flash source code, but i need to custom my XOT for > my >>> Organizations. >>> Thank you very much. >>> Lukas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 3 17:04:59 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:04:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Message-ID: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> Hi Fay/all I've been testing the html5 playback of the Hotspot Image connector and have one or two questions... 1. Is the video popup meant to work at the moment e.g. by uploading an .mp4 the same name as the flv? 2. Likewise sound popup? 3. I noticed your comments in the code about changing image size based on text size options and have added some crude size changes (see attached and linked example below) I haven't committed that change (but can do?) and I said crude because ideally the image size ought to be more responsive to window size etc rather than fixed dimensions and you've said in your code comments to look at the textGraphics page so I'm guessing you're planning do this at some point? The fixed sizes I've added seem to work ok on my iPad. In my test file I've uploaded the tweaked html5 model to change size based on the option chosen and on the last page there are video and audio links which at the moment don't seem to work via html 5 but do via Flash but I'm guessing neither are meant to work yet? HTML5 link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 Flash link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_64 Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 3 17:17:27 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:17:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes In-Reply-To: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> References: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> Message-ID: <040801ce3086$bd0dc430$37294c90$@co.uk> Hi Fay sorry I sent this before noticing your commit today! So the audio hotspot now works and the video player loads but shows download file. Can that be made to work the same way as the textVideo page e.g. look for an mp4 of the same name? I've uploaded your updated file but added in my crude sizing to where my test file resides http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 The only change to your latest file is the following: //RM added crude image resizing based on wizard options //ideally needs to be more flexible/responsive than this e.g. respond to window size if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "none") { var imgMaxW = 760, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "narrow") { var imgMaxW = 600, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "wide") { var imgMaxW = 500, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "max") { var imgMaxW = 400, imgMaxH = 476; } Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:05 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay/all I've been testing the html5 playback of the Hotspot Image connector and have one or two questions... 1. Is the video popup meant to work at the moment e.g. by uploading an .mp4 the same name as the flv? 2. Likewise sound popup? 3. I noticed your comments in the code about changing image size based on text size options and have added some crude size changes (see attached and linked example below) I haven't committed that change (but can do?) and I said crude because ideally the image size ought to be more responsive to window size etc rather than fixed dimensions and you've said in your code comments to look at the textGraphics page so I'm guessing you're planning do this at some point? The fixed sizes I've added seem to work ok on my iPad. In my test file I've uploaded the tweaked html5 model to change size based on the option chosen and on the last page there are video and audio links which at the moment don't seem to work via html 5 but do via Flash but I'm guessing neither are meant to work yet? HTML5 link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 Flash link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_64 Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 09:00:26 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:00:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes In-Reply-To: <040801ce3086$bd0dc430$37294c90$@co.uk> References: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> <040801ce3086$bd0dc430$37294c90$@co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Ron All the pages that add audio or video call some code in a file called mediaPlayer.js to load them in the page. I'll move the code used in the textVideo page to here so that it's not something that I need to remember to add in on every page that can have video. I had completely forgotten to add that to this page to be honest so thanks for noticing. I'll add your sizing code to the connector page too, although I'll probably change it to something that's more flexible at some point. Thanks Fay From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay sorry I sent this before noticing your commit today! So the audio hotspot now works and the video player loads but shows download file. Can that be made to work the same way as the textVideo page e.g. look for an mp4 of the same name? I've uploaded your updated file but added in my crude sizing to where my test file resides http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 The only change to your latest file is the following: //RM added crude image resizing based on wizard options //ideally needs to be more flexible/responsive than this e.g. respond to window size if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "none") { var imgMaxW = 760, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "narrow") { var imgMaxW = 600, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "wide") { var imgMaxW = 500, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "max") { var imgMaxW = 400, imgMaxH = 476; } Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:05 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay/all I've been testing the html5 playback of the Hotspot Image connector and have one or two questions... 1. Is the video popup meant to work at the moment e.g. by uploading an .mp4 the same name as the flv? 2. Likewise sound popup? 3. I noticed your comments in the code about changing image size based on text size options and have added some crude size changes (see attached and linked example below) I haven't committed that change (but can do?) and I said crude because ideally the image size ought to be more responsive to window size etc rather than fixed dimensions and you've said in your code comments to look at the textGraphics page so I'm guessing you're planning do this at some point? The fixed sizes I've added seem to work ok on my iPad. In my test file I've uploaded the tweaked html5 model to change size based on the option chosen and on the last page there are video and audio links which at the moment don't seem to work via html 5 but do via Flash but I'm guessing neither are meant to work yet? HTML5 link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 Flash link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_64 Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 4 09:31:36 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:31:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes In-Reply-To: References: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> <040801ce3086$bd0dc430$37294c90$@co.uk> Message-ID: <047201ce310e$d360e950$7a22bbf0$@co.uk> Thanks Fay that sounds like a sensible move to move the mp4 detection to that js file. I think the Hotspot Image Connector will become a very popular and useful page type so great to have a bit more flexibility over image size especially the option for none so that the image is more or less full screen. My dimensions work ok-ish as far as my tests so far but for the none/full screen option it would be better if alignment is centered rather than aligned left but I wasn't sure how best to achieve that. I'm still testing the HTML5 view of this page type but there seems to be something a bit odd about the URL Window Width and Height options for linking to external sites/resources. The width seems to mostly work but height doesn't and regardless of adding different dimensions seems to ping back to 720. In fact if I change width to 1024 for instance and then click publish it pings back to 980. Is there something constraining this to set sizes? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 09:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Ron All the pages that add audio or video call some code in a file called mediaPlayer.js to load them in the page. I'll move the code used in the textVideo page to here so that it's not something that I need to remember to add in on every page that can have video. I had completely forgotten to add that to this page to be honest so thanks for noticing. I'll add your sizing code to the connector page too, although I'll probably change it to something that's more flexible at some point. Thanks Fay From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay sorry I sent this before noticing your commit today! So the audio hotspot now works and the video player loads but shows download file. Can that be made to work the same way as the textVideo page e.g. look for an mp4 of the same name? I've uploaded your updated file but added in my crude sizing to where my test file resides http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 The only change to your latest file is the following: //RM added crude image resizing based on wizard options //ideally needs to be more flexible/responsive than this e.g. respond to window size if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "none") { var imgMaxW = 760, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "narrow") { var imgMaxW = 600, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "wide") { var imgMaxW = 500, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "max") { var imgMaxW = 400, imgMaxH = 476; } Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:05 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay/all I've been testing the html5 playback of the Hotspot Image connector and have one or two questions... 1. Is the video popup meant to work at the moment e.g. by uploading an .mp4 the same name as the flv? 2. Likewise sound popup? 3. I noticed your comments in the code about changing image size based on text size options and have added some crude size changes (see attached and linked example below) I haven't committed that change (but can do?) and I said crude because ideally the image size ought to be more responsive to window size etc rather than fixed dimensions and you've said in your code comments to look at the textGraphics page so I'm guessing you're planning do this at some point? The fixed sizes I've added seem to work ok on my iPad. In my test file I've uploaded the tweaked html5 model to change size based on the option chosen and on the last page there are video and audio links which at the moment don't seem to work via html 5 but do via Flash but I'm guessing neither are meant to work yet? HTML5 link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 Flash link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_64 Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 4 09:24:01 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:24:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <51545C0B.5050500@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4EF0986D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51545C0B.5050500@tor.nl> Message-ID: <8DE67A02-990D-4F68-B920-327B88B76D48@pgogywebstuff.com> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Brilliant. >> >> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > >> >> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > yes the other URL will work as well. >> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >> >> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > >> >> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >> >> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >> >> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, >> Julian >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >> >> Hello all >> >> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >> >> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >> >> 2. Abbreviated link: >> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >> >> 3. Play / Preview links: >> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >> >> 4. Page models: >> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 09:57:39 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:57:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes In-Reply-To: <047201ce310e$d360e950$7a22bbf0$@co.uk> References: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> <040801ce3086$bd0dc430$37294c90$@co.uk> <047201ce310e$d360e950$7a22bbf0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Just fixed a typo that meant the width was never changing - it works now. However, it's the xwd info that is limiting the width and height of the window. The max width value is set to 980 and the max height is set to 720. If you enter a value above these the wizard changes it back, I guess so that you can't put ridiculously high values in. I can change these if you want. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 09:32 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Thanks Fay that sounds like a sensible move to move the mp4 detection to that js file. I think the Hotspot Image Connector will become a very popular and useful page type so great to have a bit more flexibility over image size especially the option for none so that the image is more or less full screen. My dimensions work ok-ish as far as my tests so far but for the none/full screen option it would be better if alignment is centered rather than aligned left but I wasn't sure how best to achieve that. I'm still testing the HTML5 view of this page type but there seems to be something a bit odd about the URL Window Width and Height options for linking to external sites/resources. The width seems to mostly work but height doesn't and regardless of adding different dimensions seems to ping back to 720. In fact if I change width to 1024 for instance and then click publish it pings back to 980. Is there something constraining this to set sizes? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 09:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Ron All the pages that add audio or video call some code in a file called mediaPlayer.js to load them in the page. I'll move the code used in the textVideo page to here so that it's not something that I need to remember to add in on every page that can have video. I had completely forgotten to add that to this page to be honest so thanks for noticing. I'll add your sizing code to the connector page too, although I'll probably change it to something that's more flexible at some point. Thanks Fay From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay sorry I sent this before noticing your commit today! So the audio hotspot now works and the video player loads but shows download file. Can that be made to work the same way as the textVideo page e.g. look for an mp4 of the same name? I've uploaded your updated file but added in my crude sizing to where my test file resides http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 The only change to your latest file is the following: //RM added crude image resizing based on wizard options //ideally needs to be more flexible/responsive than this e.g. respond to window size if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "none") { var imgMaxW = 760, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "narrow") { var imgMaxW = 600, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "wide") { var imgMaxW = 500, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "max") { var imgMaxW = 400, imgMaxH = 476; } Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:05 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay/all I've been testing the html5 playback of the Hotspot Image connector and have one or two questions... 1. Is the video popup meant to work at the moment e.g. by uploading an .mp4 the same name as the flv? 2. Likewise sound popup? 3. I noticed your comments in the code about changing image size based on text size options and have added some crude size changes (see attached and linked example below) I haven't committed that change (but can do?) and I said crude because ideally the image size ought to be more responsive to window size etc rather than fixed dimensions and you've said in your code comments to look at the textGraphics page so I'm guessing you're planning do this at some point? The fixed sizes I've added seem to work ok on my iPad. In my test file I've uploaded the tweaked html5 model to change size based on the option chosen and on the last page there are video and audio links which at the moment don't seem to work via html 5 but do via Flash but I'm guessing neither are meant to work yet? HTML5 link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 Flash link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_64 Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 10:05:33 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:05:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <8DE67A02-990D-4F68-B920-327B88B76D48@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4EF0986D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51545C0B.5050500@tor.nl> <8DE67A02-990D-4F68-B920-327B88B76D48@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 4 10:42:33 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:42:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes In-Reply-To: References: <03f901ce3085$0098a370$01c9ea50$@co.uk> <040801ce3086$bd0dc430$37294c90$@co.uk> <047201ce310e$d360e950$7a22bbf0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <04a101ce3118$bc5ef940$351cebc0$@co.uk> Hi Fay thanks - hadn't spotted the typo. Personally I think those limits are too low especially as some sites or linked resources won't render properly at those dimensions. I know there's an argument that says that's more do to with the limitations of the linked site or resource but that's often beyond the xerte authors control. I would say 1024 x 768 would be a better limit but then again there are examples where it might be useful to have a portrait shaped window so perhaps the limit should be 1024 x 1024 to allow for either? HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Just fixed a typo that meant the width was never changing - it works now. However, it's the xwd info that is limiting the width and height of the window. The max width value is set to 980 and the max height is set to 720. If you enter a value above these the wizard changes it back, I guess so that you can't put ridiculously high values in. I can change these if you want. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 09:32 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Thanks Fay that sounds like a sensible move to move the mp4 detection to that js file. I think the Hotspot Image Connector will become a very popular and useful page type so great to have a bit more flexibility over image size especially the option for none so that the image is more or less full screen. My dimensions work ok-ish as far as my tests so far but for the none/full screen option it would be better if alignment is centered rather than aligned left but I wasn't sure how best to achieve that. I'm still testing the HTML5 view of this page type but there seems to be something a bit odd about the URL Window Width and Height options for linking to external sites/resources. The width seems to mostly work but height doesn't and regardless of adding different dimensions seems to ping back to 720. In fact if I change width to 1024 for instance and then click publish it pings back to 980. Is there something constraining this to set sizes? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 09:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Ron All the pages that add audio or video call some code in a file called mediaPlayer.js to load them in the page. I'll move the code used in the textVideo page to here so that it's not something that I need to remember to add in on every page that can have video. I had completely forgotten to add that to this page to be honest so thanks for noticing. I'll add your sizing code to the connector page too, although I'll probably change it to something that's more flexible at some point. Thanks Fay From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay sorry I sent this before noticing your commit today! So the audio hotspot now works and the video player loads but shows download file. Can that be made to work the same way as the textVideo page e.g. look for an mp4 of the same name? I've uploaded your updated file but added in my crude sizing to where my test file resides http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 The only change to your latest file is the following: //RM added crude image resizing based on wizard options //ideally needs to be more flexible/responsive than this e.g. respond to window size if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "none") { var imgMaxW = 760, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "narrow") { var imgMaxW = 600, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "wide") { var imgMaxW = 500, imgMaxH = 476; } if (x_currentPageXML.getAttribute("textWidth") == "max") { var imgMaxW = 400, imgMaxH = 476; } Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 03 April 2013 17:05 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Hotspot Image Connector image sizes Hi Fay/all I've been testing the html5 playback of the Hotspot Image connector and have one or two questions... 1. Is the video popup meant to work at the moment e.g. by uploading an .mp4 the same name as the flv? 2. Likewise sound popup? 3. I noticed your comments in the code about changing image size based on text size options and have added some crude size changes (see attached and linked example below) I haven't committed that change (but can do?) and I said crude because ideally the image size ought to be more responsive to window size etc rather than fixed dimensions and you've said in your code comments to look at the textGraphics page so I'm guessing you're planning do this at some point? The fixed sizes I've added seem to work ok on my iPad. In my test file I've uploaded the tweaked html5 model to change size based on the option chosen and on the last page there are video and audio links which at the moment don't seem to work via html 5 but do via Flash but I'm guessing neither are meant to work yet? HTML5 link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_64 Flash link http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_64 Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 4 12:15:08 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:15:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4EF0986D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51545C0B.5050500@tor.nl> <8DE67A02-990D-4F68-B920-327B88B76D48@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross wrote: > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, > Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > 3. Play / Preview links: > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > 4. Page models: > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 13:51:52 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:51:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Message-ID: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 14:06:06 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:06:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> Message-ID: I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 4 15:17:28 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> Message-ID: <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 15:43:07 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:43:07 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Message-ID: "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-)Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. All your points are salient Ron.I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point.So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 15:49:42 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:49:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Message-ID: Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 15:58:05 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:58:05 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk>, Message-ID: "things the authors will need to tweak" And as I mentioned should lend itself to some sort of automated approach.The nice thing about dealing with templates.... > From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:49:42 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. > > I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 4 16:07:42 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Message-ID: <052101ce3146$28946a50$79bd3ef0$@co.uk> I could see someone at admin level finding that kind of report a useful rough guide Dave but I think the majority of issues with existing LO's would be aesthetic and practical as much as technical and realistically I'm not sure 'your' parser would help too much. ;-) Great that Fay has already found one or two of the issues I mentioned but that was only a simple example. I agree Flash will eventually die completely but personally I suspect that will be quite a while yet particularly in education because of all the existing content (not just xerte) and regardless of opinion about that I think the key point for us is a revision of your last line... So really it's down to whether to force HTML 5 and potentially break existing LO's or to provide a solution which allows Flash to die more gracefully - or at least to live on until authors rather than us deicide to kill it ;-) Personally I'm killing it for new LO's but allowing it to live on for at least some existing LO's. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 04 April 2013 15:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-) Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. All your points are salient Ron. I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point. So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John - is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. I'll email with more details of what help I might need when I've looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 16:15:15 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:15:15 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <052101ce3146$28946a50$79bd3ef0$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , , , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk>, , <052101ce3146$28946a50$79bd3ef0$@co.uk> Message-ID: I suspect it would be a bit more of a rough guide.Surely (Shirley?) due to the template structure there is a pretty limited number of variations extent here. 'My' parser does AW > Xerte desktop.No help at all. ;-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I could see someone at admin level finding that kind of report a useful rough guide Dave but I think the majority of issues with existing LO's would be aesthetic and practical as much as technical and realistically I'm not sure 'your' parser would help too much. ;-) Great that Fay has already found one or two of the issues I mentioned but that was only a simple example. I agree Flash will eventually die completely but personally I suspect that will be quite a while yet particularly in education because of all the existing content (not just xerte) and regardless of opinion about that I think the key point for us is a revision of your last line... So really it's down to whether to force HTML 5 and potentially break existing LO's or to provide a solution which allows Flash to die more gracefully - or at least to live on until authors rather than us deicide to kill it ;-) Personally I'm killing it for new LO's but allowing it to live on for at least some existing LO's. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 04 April 2013 15:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-)Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. All your points are salient Ron.I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point.So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 16:34:39 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] On server, Sound icon Wait ignored In-Reply-To: <052101ce3146$28946a50$79bd3ef0$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , , , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk>, , <052101ce3146$28946a50$79bd3ef0$@co.uk> Message-ID: My AS is hack and thrash level.I think I have found the swfengine code chunk that regulates the sound wait function. if (wait == 1) {dec.createEmptyMovieClip("waitWatcher", ++this.levels); dec.waitWatcher.onEnterFrame = function() { if (this._parent.sound.duration == this._parent.sound.position) { this._parent.exit(); delete this.onEnterFrame; } };} How do add something that will throw debug information?Just good old debug("hello"); ?Trying to figure out exactly why it fails. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 4 16:40:11 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:40:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0d7f92147361c92f3389bc403c6d894c3bffaf20@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Sheesh I should charge for this stuff. Here is what you do We make a new module called Xerte HTML (for which all the code exists) You give the Existing flash module a new properties tab called "convert" The convert tab allows you to preview the LO in HTML5 and "convert" it to a HTML5 module (all this does is rename the LO folder and update the DB) This way play_560 will be flash if you want it to be flash, but if you want it to be HTML 5 you click a button and you've changed AND your links all still work. From the moment you convert onwards, you have a HTML5 module. No more flash. So no forcing, no pushing, no convincing, it is completely and utterly up to you. Else the hoops that need jumping through aren't really jumpable through, they are break the system hoops. ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:15:15 -0400 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I suspect it would be a bit more of a rough guide.Surely (Shirley?) due to the template structure there is a pretty limited number of variations extent here. 'My' parser does AW > Xerte desktop.No help at all. ;-) ------------------------- From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I could see someone at admin level finding that kind of report a useful rough guide Dave but I think the majority of issues with existing LO's would be aesthetic and practical as much as technical and realistically I'm not sure 'your' parser would help too much. ;-) ? Great that Fay has already found one or two of the issues I mentioned but that was only a simple example. ? I agree Flash will eventually die completely but personally I suspect that will be quite a while yet particularly in education because of all the existing content (not just xerte) and regardless of opinion about that I think the key point for us is a revision of your last line... ? So really it's down to whether to force HTML 5 and potentially break existing LO's or to provide a solution which allows Flash to die more gracefully - or at least to live on until authors rather than us deicide to kill it ;-) ? Personally I'm killing it for new LO's but allowing it to live on for at least some existing LO's. ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] ON BEHALF OF Dave Burnett SENT: 04 April 2013 15:43 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 ? "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's??" ? Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report.?;-) Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. ? All your points are salient Ron. I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point. So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... ? ? ? > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk [1] > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [2] > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 [3] > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 [4] > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [5] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [6]] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 [7] to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [8] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [9]] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [10] > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [14]] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh [16]. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [18]] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 17:08:43 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:08:43 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <0d7f92147361c92f3389bc403c6d894c3bffaf20@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: , <0d7f92147361c92f3389bc403c6d894c3bffaf20@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: >Sheesh I should charge for this stuff. You should. :-) One of Ron's concerns is having to ask the user to review some serious number of modules.That's why I suggested an app to flag (and possibly rectify) non-conforming LO's. From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:40:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sheesh I should charge for this stuff. Here is what you do We make a new module called Xerte HTML (for which all the code exists) You give the Existing flash module a new properties tab called "convert" The convert tab allows you to preview the LO in HTML5 and "convert" it to a HTML5 module (all this does is rename the LO folder and update the DB) This way play_560 will be flash if you want it to be flash, but if you want it to be HTML 5 you click a button and you've changed AND your links all still work. From the moment you convert onwards, you have a HTML5 module. No more flash. So no forcing, no pushing, no convincing, it is completely and utterly up to you. Else the hoops that need jumping through aren't really jumpable through, they are break the system hoops ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:15:15 -0400 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I suspect it would be a bit more of a rough guideSurely (Shirley?) due to the template structure there is a pretty limited number of variations extent here. 'My' parser does AW > Xerte desktop.No help at all. ;-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I could see someone at admin level finding that kind of report a useful rough guide Dave but I think the majority of issues with existing LO's would be aesthetic and practical as much as technical and realistically I'm not sure 'your' parser would help too much. ;-) Great that Fay has already found one or two of the issues I mentioned but that was only a simple example. I agree Flash will eventually die completely but personally I suspect that will be quite a while yet particularly in education because of all the existing content (not just xerte) and regardless of opinion about that I think the key point for us is a revision of your last line... So really it's down to whether to force HTML 5 and potentially break existing LO's or to provide a solution which allows Flash to die more gracefully - or at least to live on until authors rather than us deicide to kill it ;-) Personally I'm killing it for new LO's but allowing it to live on for at least some existing LO's. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 04 April 2013 15:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-)Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. All your points are salient Ron.I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point.So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 4 17:59:01 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:59:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <0d7f92147361c92f3389bc403c6d894c3bffaf20@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: The convert script could read through the modules used in the LO and advise on html5 suitability Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 4 Apr 2013, at 17:08, Dave Burnett wrote: > >Sheesh I should charge for this stuff. > > You should. :-) > > One of Ron's concerns is having to ask the user to review some serious number of modules. > That's why I suggested an app to flag (and possibly rectify) non-conforming LO's. > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:40:11 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sheesh I should charge for this stuff. > > Here is what you do > > We make a new module called Xerte HTML (for which all the code exists) > You give the Existing flash module a new properties tab called "convert" > The convert tab allows you to preview the LO in HTML5 and "convert" it to a HTML5 module (all this does is rename the LO folder and update the DB) > > This way play_560 will be flash if you want it to be flash, but if you want it to be HTML 5 you click a button and you've changed AND your links all still work. From the moment you convert onwards, you have a HTML5 module. No more flash. > > So no forcing, no pushing, no convincing, it is completely and utterly up to you. > > Else the hoops that need jumping through aren't really jumpable through, they are break the system hoops > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:15:15 -0400 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > > I suspect it would be a bit more of a rough guide > Surely (Shirley?) due to the template structure there is a pretty limited number of variations extent here. > > 'My' parser does AW > Xerte desktop. > No help at all. ;-) > > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:07:42 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I could see someone at admin level finding that kind of report a useful rough guide Dave but I think the majority of issues with existing LO's would be aesthetic and practical as much as technical and realistically I'm not sure 'your' parser would help too much. ;-) > > > > Great that Fay has already found one or two of the issues I mentioned but that was only a simple example. > > > > I agree Flash will eventually die completely but personally I suspect that will be quite a while yet particularly in education because of all the existing content (not just xerte) and regardless of opinion about that I think the key point for us is a revision of your last line... > > > > So really it's down to whether to force HTML 5 and potentially break existing LO's or to provide a solution which allows Flash to die more gracefully - or at least to live on until authors rather than us deicide to kill it ;-) > > > > Personally I'm killing it for new LO's but allowing it to live on for at least some existing LO's. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > > > "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " > > > > Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-) > > Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. > > > > All your points are salient Ron. > > I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point. > > So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > > > > > > > > > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > > Layout certainly changes > > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > > > Just a few thoughts. > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > > Brilliant. > > > > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > > > Hello all > > > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > > > > > 4. Page models: > > > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 4 19:57:05 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:57:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Message-ID: <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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What's up with fred = this._parent.sound.duration ? debug("new sound"); //appears when .rlo hits sound icon with Wait set to 1 dec.createEmptyMovieClip("waitWatcher", ++this.levels);dec.waitWatcher.onEnterFrame = function() { fred = 1; //works, shows up in debug below //fred = this._parent.sound.duration; //totally blank debug window debug(fred); if (this._parent.sound.duration == this._parent.sound.position) { this._parent.exit(); delete this.onEnterFrame;etc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Thu Apr 4 22:03:47 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:03:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes In-Reply-To: <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> , <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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Try adding the following: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is default size text e.g. 12pt The following work via flash player but are too large via html 5: Hello Hello Hello However setting size to "4" or "6" works fine via HTML 5 but not Flash: Hello Hello //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Here's the above via Flash http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_67 and the same via HTML 5 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_67 HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John - is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. 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From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 09:29:51 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:29:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes In-Reply-To: <005101ce317e$5c131d80$14395880$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> , <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> <005101ce317e$5c131d80$14395880$@co.uk> Message-ID: Ron I've just had a look into this and it seems that when you use the font tag the size isn't pixels or points but a scale of the text. So size="20" is the equivalent of "120%" if you were using css. It doesn't recognise pt, px or em so won't change what it does to the text if you add these in. The browsers are rendering the text in the correct way and it's flash that seems to deal with the tags differently and interprets the value you enter as pt. If you want to change text using pt, px or em (I'd recommend em) then you would have to use an inline css style. But these won't work in Flash. I can't find a way of doing this that will work consistently in Flash and HTML5. Flash: text HTML5: text Fay -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 22:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi John I suspect that is working it's just that 14pt isn't much of a difference to the default 12pt in the flash player. Try adding the following: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is default size text e.g. 12pt The following work via flash player but are too large via html 5: Hello Hello Hello However setting size to "4" or "6" works fine via HTML 5 but not Flash: Hello Hello //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Here's the above via Flash http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_67 and the same via HTML 5 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_67 HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John - is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 10:47:12 2013 From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: =?utf-8?q?font_size_changes?= In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> , <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> <005101ce317e$5c131d80$14395880$@co.uk>, Message-ID: <515e8f8f.c552b40a.7018.ffff9e37@mx.google.com> HI, I?ve normally used .... Not 100% sure if this works in IE10, but it certainly works in older versions. It also has the advantage that it?s relative to the chosen font size, i.e. making the font larger or smaller in the browser will go on working, it?s only the relative size of the font inside the font tag that changes. I?m a bit busy at the moment and won?t be able to check this properly until this afternoon. Kindest Regards Sent from Windows Mail on a Surface RT From: Fay Cross Sent: ?05? ?April? ?2013 ?09?:?29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Ron I've just had a look into this and it seems that when you use the font tag the size isn't pixels or points but a scale of the text. So size="20" is the equivalent of "120%" if you were using css. It doesn't recognise pt, px or em so won't change what it does to the text if you add these in. The browsers are rendering the text in the correct way and it's flash that seems to deal with the tags differently and interprets the value you enter as pt. If you want to change text using pt, px or em (I'd recommend em) then you would have to use an inline css style. But these won't work in Flash. I can't find a way of doing this that will work consistently in Flash and HTML5. Flash: text HTML5: text Fay -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 22:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi John I suspect that is working it's just that 14pt isn't much of a difference to the default 12pt in the flash player. Try adding the following: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is default size text e.g. 12pt The following work via flash player but are too large via html 5: Hello Hello Hello However setting size to "4" or "6" works fine via HTML 5 but not Flash: Hello Hello //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Here's the above via Flash http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_67 and the same via HTML 5 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_67 HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John - is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. 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URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 09:53:06 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:53:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes In-Reply-To: <515e8f8f.c552b40a.7018.ffff9e37@mx.google.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> , <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> <005101ce317e$5c131d80$14395880$@co.uk>, <515e8f8f.c552b40a.7018.ffff9e37@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Just tried it but the results in Flash and HTML5 are still quite different. text in Flash displays the same as text in HTML5 but if the + is in HTML5 it?s a lot bigger. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Sent: 05 April 2013 10:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes HI, I?ve normally used .... Not 100% sure if this works in IE10, but it certainly works in older versions. It also has the advantage that it?s relative to the chosen font size, i.e. making the font larger or smaller in the browser will go on working, it?s only the relative size of the font inside the font tag that changes. I?m a bit busy at the moment and won?t be able to check this properly until this afternoon. Kindest Regards Sent from Windows Mail on a Surface RT From: Fay Cross Sent: ?05? ?April? ?2013 ?09?:?29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Ron I've just had a look into this and it seems that when you use the font tag the size isn't pixels or points but a scale of the text. So size="20" is the equivalent of "120%" if you were using css. It doesn't recognise pt, px or em so won't change what it does to the text if you add these in. The browsers are rendering the text in the correct way and it's flash that seems to deal with the tags differently and interprets the value you enter as pt. If you want to change text using pt, px or em (I'd recommend em) then you would have to use an inline css style. But these won't work in Flash. I can't find a way of doing this that will work consistently in Flash and HTML5. Flash: text HTML5: text Fay -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 22:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi John I suspect that is working it's just that 14pt isn't much of a difference to the default 12pt in the flash player. Try adding the following: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is default size text e.g. 12pt The following work via flash player but are too large via html 5: Hello Hello Hello However setting size to "4" or "6" works fine via HTML 5 but not Flash: Hello Hello //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Here's the above via Flash http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_67 and the same via HTML 5 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_67 HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross >> wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders >> wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 lkits/play_html5_560> rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John - is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. 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So although this isn't as a wide an issue as other possible differences (e.g. font sizes not used by everyone) I think it does add to the argument that if at all possible we should avoid forcing existing LO's/Play links to switch to HTML 5. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 05 April 2013 09:53 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Just tried it but the results in Flash and HTML5 are still quite different. text in Flash displays the same as text in HTML5 but if the + is in HTML5 it?s a lot bigger. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Sent: 05 April 2013 10:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes HI, I?ve normally used .... Not 100% sure if this works in IE10, but it certainly works in older versions. It also has the advantage that it?s relative to the chosen font size, i.e. making the font larger or smaller in the browser will go on working, it?s only the relative size of the font inside the font tag that changes. I?m a bit busy at the moment and won?t be able to check this properly until this afternoon. Kindest Regards Sent from Windows Mail on a Surface RT From: Fay Cross Sent: ?05? ?April? ?2013 ?09?:?29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Ron I've just had a look into this and it seems that when you use the font tag the size isn't pixels or points but a scale of the text. So size="20" is the equivalent of "120%" if you were using css. It doesn't recognise pt, px or em so won't change what it does to the text if you add these in. The browsers are rendering the text in the correct way and it's flash that seems to deal with the tags differently and interprets the value you enter as pt. If you want to change text using pt, px or em (I'd recommend em) then you would have to use an inline css style. But these won't work in Flash. I can't find a way of doing this that will work consistently in Flash and HTML5. Flash: text HTML5: text Fay -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 22:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi John I suspect that is working it's just that 14pt isn't much of a difference to the default 12pt in the flash player. Try adding the following: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is default size text e.g. 12pt The following work via flash player but are too large via html 5: Hello Hello Hello However setting size to "4" or "6" works fine via HTML 5 but not Flash: Hello Hello //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Here's the above via Flash http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_67 and the same via HTML 5 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_67 HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John - is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 10:21:52 2013 From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:21:52 +0000 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: =?utf-8?q?font_size_changes?= In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> , <001501ce3166$341f3a10$9c5dae30$@co.uk> <005101ce317e$5c131d80$14395880$@co.uk>, <515e8f8f.c552b40a.7018.ffff9e37@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: <515e97b2.c455b40a.3430.ffffaab1@mx.google.com> Hmm, sorry about that, my memory must be playing me false. I don?t have a legacy, Flash-capable device with me at present to try ?. I suppose the problem with using ... (where n is a number between 1 and 4) produces a line break after it and is therefore unsuitable? Kindest regards, Thomas Sent from Windows Mail From: Fay Cross Sent: ?05? ?April? ?2013 ?09?:?53 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Just tried it but the results in Flash and HTML5 are still quite different. text in Flash displays the same as text in HTML5 but if the + is in HTML5 it?s a lot bigger. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Sent: 05 April 2013 10:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes HI, I?ve normally used .... Not 100% sure if this works in IE10, but it certainly works in older versions. It also has the advantage that it?s relative to the chosen font size, i.e. making the font larger or smaller in the browser will go on working, it?s only the relative size of the font inside the font tag that changes. I?m a bit busy at the moment and won?t be able to check this properly until this afternoon. Kindest Regards Sent from Windows Mail on a Surface RT From: Fay Cross Sent: ?05? ?April? ?2013 ?09?:?29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Ron I've just had a look into this and it seems that when you use the font tag the size isn't pixels or points but a scale of the text. So size="20" is the equivalent of "120%" if you were using css. It doesn't recognise pt, px or em so won't change what it does to the text if you add these in. The browsers are rendering the text in the correct way and it's flash that seems to deal with the tags differently and interprets the value you enter as pt. If you want to change text using pt, px or em (I'd recommend em) then you would have to use an inline css style. But these won't work in Flash. I can't find a way of doing this that will work consistently in Flash and HTML5. Flash: text HTML5: text Fay -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 22:50 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi John I suspect that is working it's just that 14pt isn't much of a difference to the default 12pt in the flash player. Try adding the following: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is default size text e.g. 12pt The following work via flash player but are too large via html 5: Hello Hello Hello However setting size to "4" or "6" works fine via HTML 5 but not Flash: Hello Hello //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Here's the above via Flash http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_67 and the same via HTML 5 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_67 HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: font size changes Hi Ron, Didn't know about this feature so thought i'd give it a try and look at the problem... but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas? I've attached a few screenshots. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk] Sent: 04 April 2013 19:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] font size changes Hi Fay I changed the subject line here just to refer to the font size issue in this case... Historically lot's of users (including myself) have used basic html to change font sizes and colours etc within text areas for the Flash based viewing of LO's e.g. Some larger text amongst smaller text and this has always worked well via the Flash player. Is there a reliable way to do this for the HTML 5 player without breaking Flash playback? I've done a few tests and works for the Flash player but makes the text massive for the HTML 5 player. Whereas works for the html 5 player but makes the text tiny for the Flash player. I've tried % and em values etc but can't find a solution that works reliably for both players. Is there a way of getting pt sizes or something else to work reliably for both players? Not saying the sizes need to match exactly but the difference is quite extreme at the moment and could be another example of quite a lot of remedial work required to make an existing LO work ok via HTML 5. Before it's suggested I don't think an auto convertor could or should automatically parse and strip font tags etc because there might be various reasons for those tags to remain including inside embed code etc. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 15:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Just to confuse everyone, I've just fixed the title page bug Ron found in the LO he used as an example. The odd font size thing on page 2 is because the author has put a font tag to change the size in the text they've entered in the wizard (Flash is ignoring it) so they really need to take that out. I'll look into why the annotated diagram page isn't loading - I suspect it's because this is a very old LO and there's an attribute I'm assuming is in the xml that isn't and I haven't put a default in. I completely agree that there are bound to be lots of things that come up like this - a combination of things the authors will need to tweak and bugs that I haven't noticed. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John - is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. 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When you build template.xwd it uses the desktop versions (e.g. cMcq.xwd) but this is the file that's then copied over to the toolkits svn when any xwd changes are made. So, is it possible to have the automatic xwd builder create two xwds? One that works as it does now and the other that uses files ending in _XOT if there is one (this one is the one to copy over to the toolkits svn). Or are the differences between the two versions of xwds for connectors actually important? Am I just getting extra options in xot that don't do anything or am I missing out on important options too? Is it likely to cause confusion if it's left as it is? Fay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 5 14:40:10 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:40:10 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking Message-ID: <515ED43A.80801@tor.nl> I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with optional LO scorm parameters: - Do not track at all - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on individual questions, etc. Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all kinds of scorm environments at the moment. Primary goall: robustness. Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some gotchas there. To be continued. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 5 14:54:09 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 15:54:09 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connectors and xwds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <515ED781.7070104@tor.nl> Yes, it is supposed to do that now anyways. I'll make sure that you have the means to control that process. Tom Op 5-4-2013 15:38, Fay Cross schreef: > > Hello > > I've just finished converting the connector pages to HTML5 and a few > issues have come up with the xwds. The connector pages are supposed to > give different options in the wizard depending on whether you're using > desktop or xot. In the xerte svn there are two xwds for each > connector page (e.g. cMcq.xwd and cMcq_XOT.xwd) reflecting these > differences. When you build template.xwd it uses the desktop versions > (e.g. cMcq.xwd) but this is the file that's then copied over to the > toolkits svn when any xwd changes are made. > > So, is it possible to have the automatic xwd builder create two xwds? > One that works as it does now and the other that uses files ending in > _XOT if there is one (this one is the one to copy over to the toolkits > svn). Or are the differences between the two versions of xwds for > connectors actually important? Am I just getting extra options in xot > that don't do anything or am I missing out on important options too? > Is it likely to cause confusion if it's left as it is? > > Fay > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 14:58:00 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:58:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Flickr Message-ID: Hi Fay, I've nearly completed this, just testing the preloader. Will commit sometime over the weekend. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 5 15:00:01 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:00:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Flickr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 05 April 2013 14:58 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Flickr Hi Fay, I've nearly completed this, just testing the preloader. Will commit sometime over the weekend. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 5 16:24:57 2013 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:24:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connectors and xwds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The xwd files with the _XOT addition are not just for Xerte Online Toolkits, they are also for use in projects that are of the Page Templates type (they use an rlt rather than an rlo file). The _XOT xwds use the pagelist control as a full list of pages in the project can be derived from the single project xml file. This information is not available for desktop Xerte projects that use an .rlo file so they have to resort to the original approach of the user defining a page ID for each page that they want to connect to, and then using that page ID when specifying the connection in the connector pages form. The automatic xwd builder i.e. the script that builds template.xwd (or data.xwd) should only build a single xwd file that uses the version of the xwds that are appropriate to XOt / page templates projects. Where there are two versions of the xwd file e.g. cMcq.xwd and cMcq_XOT.xwd the builder script should be able to identify which files to exclude by the existence of an attribute in the top level tag desktop Xerte only xwds contain XOT / page templates only xwds contain I hope this clears things up. Kind regards Johnathan On 5 April 2013 14:38, Fay Cross wrote: > Hello > > > > I?ve just finished converting the connector pages to HTML5 and a few > issues have come up with the xwds. The connector pages are supposed to > give different options in the wizard depending on whether you?re using > desktop or xot. In the xerte svn there are two xwds for each connector > page (e.g. cMcq.xwd and cMcq_XOT.xwd) reflecting these differences. When > you build template.xwd it uses the desktop versions (e.g. cMcq.xwd) but > this is the file that?s then copied over to the toolkits svn when any xwd > changes are made. > > > > So, is it possible to have the automatic xwd builder create two xwds? One > that works as it does now and the other that uses files ending in _XOT if > there is one (this one is the one to copy over to the toolkits svn). Or > are the differences between the two versions of xwds for connectors > actually important? Am I just getting extra options in xot that don?t do > anything or am I missing out on important options too? Is it likely to > cause confusion if it?s left as it is? > > > > Fay > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 5 16:36:05 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:36:05 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connectors and xwds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <515EEF65.1040800@tor.nl> Yes, I thought so to, but I wanted to verify. One way or another we (Jonathan and I) will sort this one out. Tom Op 5-4-2013 17:24, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > The xwd files with the _XOT addition are not just for Xerte Online > Toolkits, they are also for use in projects that are of the Page > Templates type (they use an rlt rather than an rlo file). > > The _XOT xwds use the pagelist control as a full list of pages in the > project can be derived from the single project xml file. This > information is not available for desktop Xerte projects that use an > .rlo file so they have to resort to the original approach of the user > defining a page ID for each page that they want to connect to, and > then using that page ID when specifying the connection in the > connector pages form. > > The automatic xwd builder i.e. the script that builds template.xwd (or > data.xwd) should only build a single xwd file that uses the version of > the xwds that are appropriate to XOt / page templates projects. Where > there are two versions of the xwd file e.g. cMcq.xwd and cMcq_XOT.xwd > the builder script should be able to identify which files to exclude > by the existence of an attribute in the top level tag > > desktop Xerte only xwds contain > > > XOT / page templates only xwds contain > > > I hope this clears things up. > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > On 5 April 2013 14:38, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Hello > > I've just finished converting the connector pages to HTML5 and a > few issues have come up with the xwds. The connector pages are > supposed to give different options in the wizard depending on > whether you're using desktop or xot. In the xerte svn there are > two xwds for each connector page (e.g. cMcq.xwd and cMcq_XOT.xwd) > reflecting these differences. When you build template.xwd it uses > the desktop versions (e.g. cMcq.xwd) but this is the file that's > then copied over to the toolkits svn when any xwd changes are made. > > So, is it possible to have the automatic xwd builder create two > xwds? One that works as it does now and the other that uses files > ending in _XOT if there is one (this one is the one to copy over > to the toolkits svn). Or are the differences between the two > versions of xwds for connectors actually important? Am I just > getting extra options in xot that don't do anything or am I > missing out on important options too? Is it likely to cause > confusion if it's left as it is? > > Fay > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 5 16:40:06 2013 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:40:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] The future for rlm files? Message-ID: Looking at the discussions at present regarding the next version of XOT there is a fair amount of consideration given to allowing HTML 5 projects to fall back gracefully to Flash if HTML 5 is not supported, also to allow the optional publication of projects as HTML5 or Flash (unless I have misunderstood the discussions). Is it intended that there will always be an .rlm flash based model and a .html html5 based model for every page? As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable to develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 model and an xwd file, and no flash based .rlm model? If this is acceptable then does anything need to change in XOT to accommodate this? e.g. what happens if you try to publish your project as a flash project when it contains a page that has no .rlm file for that page? Kind regards Johnathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it intended that there will always be an .rlm flash based model and a .html html5 based model for every page? As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable to develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 model and an xwd file, and no flash based .rlm model? If this is acceptable then does anything need to change in XOT to accommodate this? e.g. what happens if you try to publish your project as a flash project when it contains a page that has no .rlm file for that page? Kind regards Johnathan _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 5 16:49:02 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:49:02 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: The future for rlm files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <515EF26E.902@tor.nl> Well as far as I am concerned, don't write them off too soon. I want to support all the new things as far as possible for one generation of Xerte standalone.... so... I can't promise anything (yet) but that's the plan. Tom Op 5-4-2013 17:40, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > Looking at the discussions at present regarding the next version of > XOT there is a fair amount of consideration given to allowing HTML 5 > projects to fall back gracefully to Flash if HTML 5 is not supported, > also to allow the optional publication of projects as HTML5 or Flash > (unless I have misunderstood the discussions). > > Is it intended that there will always be an .rlm flash based model and > a .html html5 based model for every page? > > As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable to > develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 model and an > xwd file, and no flash based .rlm model? > > If this is acceptable then does anything need to change in XOT to > accommodate this? e.g. what happens if you try to publish your project > as a flash project when it contains a page that has no .rlm file for > that page? > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 5 16:58:02 2013 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:58:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: The future for rlm files? In-Reply-To: <515EF26E.902@tor.nl> References: <515EF26E.902@tor.nl> Message-ID: My thinking was from a developer perspective. If you were to create a brand new page type would it now be worth the extra time to develop a Flash based model after you had created a working html5 version of the page. If have the impression, based on some of Julian's comments, that it may be possible to do things in html5 that would be difficult to duplicate in Flash. If this is the case would you want to restrict what you could achieve in html5 in order to make it duplicable in Flash? Kind regards Johnathan On 5 April 2013 16:49, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Well as far as I am concerned, don't write them off too soon. > > I want to support all the new things as far as possible for one generation > of Xerte standalone.... so... > > I can't promise anything (yet) but that's the plan. > > Tom > > Op 5-4-2013 17:40, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > > Looking at the discussions at present regarding the next version of XOT > there is a fair amount of consideration given to allowing HTML 5 projects > to fall back gracefully to Flash if HTML 5 is not supported, also to allow > the optional publication of projects as HTML5 or Flash (unless I have > misunderstood the discussions). > > Is it intended that there will always be an .rlm flash based model and a > .html html5 based model for every page? > > As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable to > develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 model and an xwd > file, and no flash based .rlm model? > > If this is acceptable then does anything need to change in XOT to > accommodate this? e.g. what happens if you try to publish your project as a > flash project when it contains a page that has no .rlm file for that page? > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 5 17:07:27 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 18:07:27 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: The future for rlm files? In-Reply-To: References: <515EF26E.902@tor.nl> Message-ID: <515EF6BF.10903@tor.nl> From a developer perspective with new pages, I think things are pretty clear. HTML5 only for the future. It has so many benefits. The only reason to do something in flash right now would be: - You've almost finished, and it would help someone to help you to port it to javascript. Certainly yourscenario, of having completed something in HTML5/javascript, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense to port it to flash. But I say all these things with the expectations that: - We will somehow port the wizard to html5/javascript as a next step (somewhere in the future) - I want to try (I won't promise anything) to come up with a new variant of Xerte Desktop that is HTML5 as well Tom Op 5-4-2013 17:58, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > My thinking was from a developer perspective. > > If you were to create a brand new page type would it now be worth the > extra time to develop a Flash based model after you had created a > working html5 version of the page. > > If have the impression, based on some of Julian's comments, that it > may be possible to do things in html5 that would be difficult to > duplicate in Flash. If this is the case would you want to restrict > what you could achieve in html5 in order to make it duplicable in Flash? > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > On 5 April 2013 16:49, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Well as far as I am concerned, don't write them off too soon. > > I want to support all the new things as far as possible for one > generation of Xerte standalone.... so... > > I can't promise anything (yet) but that's the plan. > > Tom > > Op 5-4-2013 17:40, Kemp Johnathan schreef: >> Looking at the discussions at present regarding the next version >> of XOT there is a fair amount of consideration given to allowing >> HTML 5 projects to fall back gracefully to Flash if HTML 5 is not >> supported, also to allow the optional publication of projects as >> HTML5 or Flash (unless I have misunderstood the discussions). >> >> Is it intended that there will always be an .rlm flash based >> model and a .html html5 based model for every page? >> >> As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable >> to develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 >> model and an xwd file, and no flash based .rlm model? >> >> If this is acceptable then does anything need to change in XOT to >> accommodate this? e.g. what happens if you try to publish your >> project as a flash project when it contains a page that has no >> .rlm file for that page? >> >> Kind regards >> >> Johnathan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Sun Apr 7 23:40:11 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:40:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , , , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk>, , <052101ce3146$28946a50$79bd3ef0$@co.uk>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F6829FB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I think that to get it to do what you need, you will need to debug through the engine. Do you already do that? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com] Sent: 04 April 2013 16:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I suspect it would be a bit more of a rough guide. Surely (Shirley?) due to the template structure there is a pretty limited number of variations extent here. 'My' parser does AW > Xerte desktop. No help at all. ;-) ________________________________ From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I could see someone at admin level finding that kind of report a useful rough guide Dave but I think the majority of issues with existing LO's would be aesthetic and practical as much as technical and realistically I'm not sure 'your' parser would help too much. ;-) Great that Fay has already found one or two of the issues I mentioned but that was only a simple example. I agree Flash will eventually die completely but personally I suspect that will be quite a while yet particularly in education because of all the existing content (not just xerte) and regardless of opinion about that I think the key point for us is a revision of your last line... So really it's down to whether to force HTML 5 and potentially break existing LO's or to provide a solution which allows Flash to die more gracefully - or at least to live on until authors rather than us deicide to kill it ;-) Personally I'm killing it for new LO's but allowing it to live on for at least some existing LO's. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 04 April 2013 15:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-) Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. All your points are salient Ron. I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point. So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross >> wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders >> wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560> rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 09:06:37 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:06:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: The future for rlm files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E11@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> We are not going to support Flash in new projects once we release the HTML5 stuff. It is time to move on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 05 April 2013 16:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: The future for rlm files? > As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable to develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 model and an xwd file, and no flash based .rlm model? I think it would be unacceptable to stay chained to Flash. Dave ________________________________ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:40:06 +0100 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com To: Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] The future for rlm files? Looking at the discussions at present regarding the next version of XOT there is a fair amount of consideration given to allowing HTML 5 projects to fall back gracefully to Flash if HTML 5 is not supported, also to allow the optional publication of projects as HTML5 or Flash (unless I have misunderstood the discussions). Is it intended that there will always be an .rlm flash based model and a .html html5 based model for every page? As flash falls more by the wayside is it going to be acceptable to develop new page types that are defined only with a html5 model and an xwd file, and no flash based .rlm model? If this is acceptable then does anything need to change in XOT to accommodate this? e.g. what happens if you try to publish your project as a flash project when it contains a page that has no .rlm file for that page? 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 09:07:25 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:07:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking In-Reply-To: <515ED43A.80801@tor.nl> References: <515ED43A.80801@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E15@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, good stuff, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with optional LO scorm parameters: - Do not track at all - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on individual questions, etc. Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all kinds of scorm environments at the moment. Primary goall: robustness. Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some gotchas there. To be continued. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 09:10:56 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:10:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com>, , <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E1E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Old content should continue to work in Flash - it may or may not work in the HTML5 (but mostly will) New content should work in HTML5 - it may or may not work in Flash (and some of it won't) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 04 April 2013 15:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 "I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? " Some enterprising chap might put an app together to parse that kind of thing out into a report. ;-) Maybe include it as a "run first" with the 2.0 install. All your points are salient Ron. I just think Flash must be euthanized at some point. So really it's down to a clean break or a slow death... > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:17:28 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 > For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default > For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default > For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default > So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) > Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change > Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken > I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross >> wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com> > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders >> wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560> rather than using the full url? > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can't find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John - is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. I'll email with more details of what help I might need when I've looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 09:13:54 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:13:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E25@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Keep play_560 doing the flash version, and play_html5.php the new version. Then nothing breaks - I don't see that this needs to get complicated. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 09:14:07 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:14:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking Message-ID: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> Could we have the total result being a running total also as an option? Im hoping to be able to do an LO where they user does several sections and then end of section quizzes so need overall score rather than average score... Anyone tested the score in Blackboard? I can do that at this end when back to work tomorrow. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: OK, good stuff, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with optional LO scorm parameters: - Do not track at all - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on individual questions, etc. Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all kinds of scorm environments at the moment. Primary goall: robustness. Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some gotchas there. To be continued. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 09:59:32 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:59:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. Here's a simple example/scenario... Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 Layout certainly changes Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? Just a few thoughts. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: Two. Unless that will cause problems? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? yes the other URL will work as well. 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 Hello all As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... 1. Exporting HTML projects: The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. 2. Abbreviated link: Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) 3. Play / Preview links: a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. 4. Page models: a. John ? is the flickr page finished? b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it Thanks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 10:03:27 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:03:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E25@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E25@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3168D293-F548-4691-8E05-634A6E1F648B@pgogywebstuff.com> Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed? Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return? On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:13, Julian Tenney wrote: > Keep play_560 doing the flash version, and play_html5.php the new version. Then nothing breaks - I don't see that this needs to get complicated. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 10:07:51 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:07:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <3168D293-F548-4691-8E05-634A6E1F648B@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E25@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3168D293-F548-4691-8E05-634A6E1F648B@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Troublemaker! Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed? This is the most difficult bit I suppose, because you build the links as you build the feed? And youpotentially want both types of content in your feed... hmm. Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? For new content, work on the html5 version. If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return? The one you ask for. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 April 2013 10:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed? Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return? On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:13, Julian Tenney wrote: > Keep play_560 doing the flash version, and play_html5.php the new version. Then nothing breaks - I don't see that this needs to get complicated. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer > html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with > getting this finished, Julian > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but > I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 8 10:07:58 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:07:58 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking In-Reply-To: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> References: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> Message-ID: <516288EE.2040107@tor.nl> It makes sense for quizzes, but not for some of the other page types. Also, you can make this as complicated as you want, but in the end, it has to be intuitive to the teacher/lerarning speciaist who creates the LO. I can imagine that we add an optional weight parameter to all interactions, then you could even create 'exercise quizzes' inside an LO. So, summarizing, for the first release, I am not too keen to add all kinds of bells and whistles. In my opinion it is a lot simpler to use, than it was before, and it tracks a lot more data (not even sure at he moment if that's a blessing). The way I implemented though gives you MUCH opportunities to play with the plugin structure you created. The html5 and the flash rlm's use a javascript API to do the tracking, which at the moment is pretty straightforward. The actual tracking is done in separate javascript classes. With the plug-ins, you can imagine building tracking classes targeted at a very specific LMS. I will write op some documentation on this hopefully, before R2-Day... Tom Op 8-4-2013 10:14, Smith, John schreef: > Could we have the total result being a running total also as an option? Im hoping to be able to do an LO where they user does several sections and then end of section quizzes so need overall score rather than average score... > > Anyone tested the score in Blackboard? I can do that at this end when back to work tomorrow. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > OK, good stuff, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking > > I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work > > - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. > > I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with optional LO scorm parameters: > - Do not track at all > - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score > - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on individual questions, etc. > > Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all kinds of scorm environments at the moment. > > Primary goall: robustness. > > Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. > > When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some gotchas there. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 10:23:05 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:23:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok How do we know content is new and so html5? I guess we use a time stamp? So post time X we only make HTML5? You could have a "make my project html5 by default option" which dumps a html5 file into the project folder which the code could look for? That's ugly but neater than converting? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:59, Julian Tenney wrote: > Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. > > I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 8 10:18:49 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:18:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) Tom Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: > Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. > > I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 10:27:38 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:27:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794E25@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3168D293-F548-4691-8E05-634A6E1F648B@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <95B9218E-6E4E-42CA-A79B-FAD962550C02@pgogywebstuff.com> Re RSS, arguably you might not want one of the formats though? If your RSS feed is big then it might get huge. Also, as we are quasi modularised only XErte LOs have two URLs? Also and I say this just for fun, Xpert would have two urls for the same thing.... wrote: > Troublemaker! > > Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed? > This is the most difficult bit I suppose, because you build the links as you build the feed? And youpotentially want both types of content in your feed... hmm. > > Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? > For new content, work on the html5 version. > > If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return? > The one you ask for. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 08 April 2013 10:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed? > > Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? > > If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return? > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:13, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> Keep play_560 doing the flash version, and play_html5.php the new version. Then nothing breaks - I don't see that this needs to get complicated. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >> >> >> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >> >> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >> >> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >> >> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >> >> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >> >> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >> html5 and so on >> >> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >> >> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >> >> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >> >> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - >> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >> >> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Brilliant. >> >> >> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >> >> >> >> >> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >> >> yes the other URL will work as well. >> >> >> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >> >> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >> >> >> >> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >> >> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >> >> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with >> getting this finished, Julian >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >> >> Hello all >> >> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >> >> >> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >> >> >> >> 2. Abbreviated link: >> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >> >> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but >> I can?t find it) >> >> >> 3. Play / Preview links: >> >> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >> >> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >> >> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >> >> >> >> 4. Page models: >> >> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >> >> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >> >> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >> >> Thanks >> Fay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 10:25:00 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:25:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4713EE66-AFB6-4D37-851B-197773DDE3B3@pgogywebstuff.com> Hold on.... If new = html5 is to work then won't we need to pass in a preview URL to the engine? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:59, Julian Tenney wrote: > Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. > > I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 11:51:09 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:51:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794FB8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, that sounds sensible, but we'd need some help to do it... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 08 April 2013 10:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) Tom Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: > Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. > > I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that > Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer > html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with > getting this finished, Julian > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but > I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 11:52:18 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:52:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <4713EE66-AFB6-4D37-851B-197773DDE3B3@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4713EE66-AFB6-4D37-851B-197773DDE3B3@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794FBA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> To the engine? You mean to the wizard? You can mangle the urls off information already in there... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 April 2013 10:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Hold on.... If new = html5 is to work then won't we need to pass in a preview URL to the engine? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:59, Julian Tenney wrote: > Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. > > I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. > > It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. > > There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? > > e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > Here's a simple example/scenario... > > Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that > Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > Layout certainly changes > Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. > > So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? > > Just a few thoughts. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. > > > John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... > > How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. > > What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? > > The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer > html5 and so on > > It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? > > On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: > > Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. > > > 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > > > > 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? > > yes the other URL will work as well. > > > 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? > > What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? > No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > > > I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. > > An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with > getting this finished, Julian > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > Hello all > > As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... > > > 1. Exporting HTML projects: > The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > > > 2. Abbreviated link: > Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? > > (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but > I can?t find it) > > > 3. Play / Preview links: > > a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. > > > > 4. Page models: > > a. John ? is the flickr page finished? > > b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them > > c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it > > Thanks > Fay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 11:02:27 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:02:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> Message-ID: <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> Almost :) I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, Or Html5 stub file and some code changes Or Status quo Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) > > 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine > 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use > 3. Add this toggle to the properties page > 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash > > In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. > > No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) > > Tom > > Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >> >> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >> >> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >> >> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >> >> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >> >> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >> >> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >> >> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >> >> Here's a simple example/scenario... >> >> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >> Layout certainly changes >> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >> >> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >> >> Just a few thoughts. >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >> >> >> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >> >> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >> >> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >> >> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >> >> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >> >> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >> >> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >> >> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >> >> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >> >> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >> >> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Brilliant. >> >> >> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >> >> >> >> >> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >> >> yes the other URL will work as well. >> >> >> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >> >> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >> >> >> >> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >> >> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >> >> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >> >> Hello all >> >> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >> >> >> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >> >> >> >> 2. Abbreviated link: >> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >> >> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >> >> >> 3. Play / Preview links: >> >> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >> >> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >> >> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >> >> >> >> 4. Page models: >> >> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >> >> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >> >> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >> >> Thanks >> Fay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 12:00:40 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:00:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794FCB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Trying not to break the modular thinking (which is good) but could other 'modules' have multiple playout formats as well? Then Tom's idea of a config drop down to select the playout type in project properties makes sense. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 April 2013 11:02 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Almost :) I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, Or Html5 stub file and some code changes Or Status quo Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this > case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned > if I understood him correctly) > > 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash > or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like > play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use > 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links for > html5 AND flash > > In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. > > No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal > circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) > > Tom > > Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >> >> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >> >> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >> >> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >> >> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >> >> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >> >> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >> >> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >> >> Here's a simple example/scenario... >> >> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >> Layout certainly changes >> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >> >> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >> >> Just a few thoughts. >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >> >> >> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >> >> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >> >> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >> >> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >> >> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >> >> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >> html5 and so on >> >> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >> >> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >> >> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >> >> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> Pgogy >> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - >> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >> >> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Brilliant. >> >> >> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >> >> >> >> >> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >> >> yes the other URL will work as well. >> >> >> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >> >> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >> >> >> >> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >> >> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >> >> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >> with getting this finished, Julian >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >> >> Hello all >> >> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >> >> >> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >> >> >> >> 2. Abbreviated link: >> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >> >> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >> but I can?t find it) >> >> >> 3. Play / Preview links: >> >> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >> >> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >> >> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >> >> >> >> 4. Page models: >> >> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >> >> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >> >> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >> >> Thanks >> Fay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> .uk> >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 15691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 8 12:37:29 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:37:29 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. Tom P.S. I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Almost :) > > I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? > > So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, > > Or > > Html5 stub file and some code changes > > Or > > Status quo > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >> >> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >> >> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >> >> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>> >>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>> >>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>> >>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>> >>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>> >>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>> >>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>> >>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>> >>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>> >>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>> Layout certainly changes >>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>> >>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>> >>> Just a few thoughts. >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>> >>> >>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>> >>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>> >>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>> >>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>> >>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>> >>> >>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>> >>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>> >>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>> >>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>> >>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>> >>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> >>> Brilliant. >>> >>> >>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>> >>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>> >>> >>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>> >>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>> >>> >>> >>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>> >>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>> >>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>> >>> Hello all >>> >>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>> >>> >>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>> >>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>> >>> >>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>> >>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>> >>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>> >>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. Page models: >>> >>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>> >>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>> >>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>> >>> Thanks >>> Fay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> >>> TOR Informatica >>> >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 12:20:37 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:20:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794FBA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4713EE66-AFB6-4D37-851B-197773DDE3B3@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794FBA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2D56B5CA-8DBD-4F65-BBEB-3E24CE994F97@pgogywebstuff.com> Good point, ignore me Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 11:52, Julian Tenney wrote: > To the engine? You mean to the wizard? > > You can mangle the urls off information already in there... > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 08 April 2013 10:25 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Hold on.... > > If new = html5 is to work then won't we need to pass in a preview URL to the engine? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:59, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >> >> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >> >> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >> >> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >> >> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >> >> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >> >> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >> >> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >> >> Here's a simple example/scenario... >> >> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >> Layout certainly changes >> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >> >> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >> >> Just a few thoughts. >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >> >> >> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >> >> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >> >> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >> >> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >> >> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >> >> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >> html5 and so on >> >> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >> >> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >> >> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >> >> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - >> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >> >> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Brilliant. >> >> >> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >> >> >> >> >> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >> >> yes the other URL will work as well. >> >> >> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >> >> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >> >> >> >> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >> >> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >> >> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with >> getting this finished, Julian >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >> >> Hello all >> >> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >> >> >> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >> >> >> >> 2. Abbreviated link: >> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >> >> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but >> I can?t find it) >> >> >> 3. Play / Preview links: >> >> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >> >> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >> >> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >> >> >> >> 4. Page models: >> >> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >> >> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >> >> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >> >> Thanks >> Fay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 13:10:54 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:10:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F79504D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I'm sorry the issue with the messages persists. I did raise it with the systems people here, I will raise it again, because it is a major PITA. If learners can choose, they can also choose badly? leaving that aside for now, shall we do as you suggested then, and have a drop down in project properties setting a database flag? We can still have the two URLs available, so learners can choose if they want to? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 08 April 2013 12:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. Tom P.S. I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Almost :) > > I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? > > So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - > see twitter bootstrapping, > > Or > > Html5 stub file and some code changes > > Or > > Status quo > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this >> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also >> mentioned if I understood him correctly) >> >> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash >> or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like >> play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to >> use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links >> for html5 AND flash >> >> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >> >> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal >> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>> >>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>> >>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>> >>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>> >>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>> >>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>> >>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>> >>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>> >>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>> >>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>> Layout certainly changes >>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>> >>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>> >>> Just a few thoughts. >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>> >>> >>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Smith, John >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>> >>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>> >>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>> >>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>> >>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >>> html5 and so on >>> >>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>> >>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>> >>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross >> wrote: >>> >>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >>> Pgogy >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - >>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com> >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders >> wrote: >>> >>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> >>> Brilliant. >>> >>> >>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>> >>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>> >>> >>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>> >>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>> >>> >>> >>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>> >>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>> >>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >>> with getting this finished, Julian >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>> >>> Hello all >>> >>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>> >>> >>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560> rather than using the full url? >>> >>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >>> but I can?t find it) >>> >>> >>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>> >>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>> >>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>> >>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. Page models: >>> >>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>> >>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>> >>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 16:02:17 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:02:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> Message-ID: <4115F6D3-B52D-467D-B1D6-B0AF65456981@pgogywebstuff.com> Ok, Say we do this The default URL is play whatever A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. This list is available as a drop down for consumers? This avoids putting stuff in the database? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. > > Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. > > I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. > > I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) > So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. > > 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) > 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. > > I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. > > Tom > > > P.S. > > I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. > > > Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Almost :) >> >> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >> >> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >> >> Or >> >> Html5 stub file and some code changes >> >> Or >> >> Status quo >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>> >>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>> >>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>> >>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>> >>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>> >>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>> >>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>> >>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>> >>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>> >>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>> >>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>> >>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>> >>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>> Layout certainly changes >>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>> >>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>> >>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>> >>>> >>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>> >>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>> >>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>> >>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>> >>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>> >>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>> >>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>> >>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>> >>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>> >>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> >>>> Brilliant. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>> >>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>> >>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>> >>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>> >>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>> >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>> >>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>> >>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>> >>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>> >>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 4. Page models: >>>> >>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>> >>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>> >>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 16:18:30 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:18:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages and pages projects In-Reply-To: <3A08E08F-8CAD-455E-92D8-A896E1C97EFE@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4BDFC722@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F795051@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3A08E08F-8CAD-455E-92D8-A896E1C97EFE@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBE35@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I'll let you know what happens... From: Osborne David Sent: 08 April 2013 16:11 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Re: Connector pages and pages projects Hi Julian The delays are probably in the iCritical virus/spam filtering service through which outgoing mail is routed. We have a bank of 10 of their servers to use, so different messages can be routed out through any one of those. If one has more of a queue than others, it could easily lead to messages arriving out of order. I'll investigate whether we could route outgoing messages from Mailman separately and bypass the iCritical service. cheers David On 8 Apr 2013, at 13:13, Tenney Julian > wrote: Hi, My mailing list community are still reporting issues with the timing of messages from mailman. It's making it very difficult to follow threaded discussion, and there's quite a bit going on just at the moment as we try and finish some work. Would you be able to look into this again and see if you can find any problems, because people are getting really frustrated... 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A lot of users will be confused / make bad choices. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 April 2013 16:02 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Ok, Say we do this The default URL is play whatever A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. This list is available as a drop down for consumers? This avoids putting stuff in the database? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. > > Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. > > I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. > > I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end > user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. > > 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or > html5) 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. > > I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. > > Tom > > > P.S. > > I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. > > > Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Almost :) >> >> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >> >> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - >> see twitter bootstrapping, >> >> Or >> >> Html5 stub file and some code changes >> >> Or >> >> Status quo >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >> a fair to middling quality >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this >>> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also >>> mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>> >>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash >>> or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like >>> play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to >>> use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links >>> for html5 AND flash >>> >>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>> >>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal >>> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>> >>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>> >>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>> >>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>> >>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>> >>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>> >>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>> >>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>> >>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>> >>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >>>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>> Layout certainly changes >>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>> >>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>> >>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>> Cross >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>> >>>> >>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Smith, John >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>> >>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>> >>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>> >>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>> >>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >>>> html5 and so on >>>> >>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>> >>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>> >>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>> >>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>> >>>> From: >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> ists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>>> @ Pgogy >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - >>>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>> >>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> >>>> Brilliant. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>> >>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>> >>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>> >>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>> >>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >>>> with getting this finished, Julian >>>> >>>> From: >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> ists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>> Cross >>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>> >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>> >>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >>>> but I can?t find it) >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>> >>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>> >>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>> >>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 4. Page models: >>>> >>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>> >>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>> >>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> ac.uk> >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> ac.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> ac.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>> number SC021474 >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e,6219,en.html >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 8 16:28:00 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:28:00 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Connector pages and pages projects In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBE35@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4BDFC722@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F795051@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3A08E08F-8CAD-455E-92D8-A896E1C97EFE@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBE35@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5162E200.80505@tor.nl> Thank you for he effort... :-) Op 8-4-2013 17:18, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'll let you know what happens... > > *From:*Osborne David > *Sent:* 08 April 2013 16:11 > *To:* Tenney Julian > *Subject:* Re: Connector pages and pages projects > > Hi Julian > > The delays are probably in the iCritical virus/spam filtering service > through which outgoing mail is routed. We have a bank of 10 of their > servers to use, so different messages can be routed out through any > one of those. If one has more of a queue than others, it could easily > lead to messages arriving out of order. > > I'll investigate whether we could route outgoing messages from Mailman > separately and bypass the iCritical service. > > cheers > > David > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 13:13, Tenney Julian > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > My mailing list community are still reporting issues with the timing > of messages from mailman. It's making it very difficult to follow > threaded discussion, and there's quite a bit going on just at the > moment as we try and finish some work. Would you be able to look into > this again and see if you can find any problems, because people are > getting really frustrated... > > Thanks a lot, > > Julian > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 16:30:29 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:30:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBE42@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <4115F6D3-B52D-467D-B1D6-B0AF65456981@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBE42@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1FCFAE61-016B-4D7A-9D10-E59AD87119B8@pgogywebstuff.com> You get the default content, then the list Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:23, Julian Tenney wrote: >> This list is available as a drop down for consumers? > > Not keen on that really, the content should just play as it was designed. A lot of users will be confused / make bad choices. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 08 April 2013 16:02 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Ok, > > Say we do this > > The default URL is play whatever > > A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. > > This list is available as a drop down for consumers? > > This avoids putting stuff in the database? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >> >> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >> >> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >> >> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end >> user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >> >> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or >> html5) 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >> >> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >> >> Tom >> >> >> P.S. >> >> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >> >> >> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> Almost :) >>> >>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>> >>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - >>> see twitter bootstrapping, >>> >>> Or >>> >>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>> >>> Or >>> >>> Status quo >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >>> a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this >>>> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also >>>> mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>> >>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash >>>> or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like >>>> play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to >>>> use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links >>>> for html5 AND flash >>>> >>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>> >>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal >>>> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>> >>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>>> Mitchell >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>> >>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>> >>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>> >>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>> >>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>> >>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>> >>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>> >>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >>>>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>> >>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>> >>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>>> Cross >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> Smith, John >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>> >>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>> >>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>> >>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>> >>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> John Smith >>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >>>>> html5 and so on >>>>> >>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>>> >>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>> >>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>>>> @ Pgogy >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>> >>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - >>>>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>> >>>>> Brilliant. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>> >>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>> >>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>> >>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>> >>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >>>>> with getting this finished, Julian >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>>> Cross >>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> Hello all >>>>> >>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>> >>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >>>>> but I can?t find it) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>> >>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>> >>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>> >>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>> >>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>> >>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>> >>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Fay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ac.uk> >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Reijnders >>>>> >>>>> TOR Informatica >>>>> >>>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>>> >>>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>>> >>>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ac.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ac.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>>> number SC021474 >>>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>>> e,6219,en.html >>>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>>> e,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 16:03:24 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:03:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> Message-ID: I also think convos like this need to be on a fora Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. > > Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. > > I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. > > I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) > So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. > > 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) > 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. > > I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. > > Tom > > > P.S. > > I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. > > > Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Almost :) >> >> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >> >> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >> >> Or >> >> Html5 stub file and some code changes >> >> Or >> >> Status quo >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>> >>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>> >>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>> >>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>> >>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>> >>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>> >>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>> >>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>> >>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>> >>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>> >>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>> >>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>> >>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>> Layout certainly changes >>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>> >>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>> >>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>> >>>> >>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>> >>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>> >>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>> >>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>> >>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>> >>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>> >>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>> >>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>> >>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>> >>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>> >>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> >>>> Brilliant. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>> >>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>> >>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>> >>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>> >>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>> >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>> >>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>> >>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>> >>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>> >>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 4. Page models: >>>> >>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>> >>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>> >>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 8 16:30:56 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:30:56 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F79504D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F79504D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5162E2B0.2090808@tor.nl> Yes, I'll build something as a prtotype for play and peer review. If that turns out to work ok I'll help, or I'll implement the other items as well. At the omen, I am waiting on a reply from Pat on one of his messages, because, clearly he has something similar, but different in mind, but I am sometimes left clueless on his intentions. Must be something English. :-) Op 8-4-2013 14:10, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'm sorry the issue with the messages persists. I did raise it with > the systems people here, I will raise it again, because it is a major > PITA. > > If learners can choose, they can also choose badly... > > leaving that aside for now, shall we do as you suggested then, and > have a drop down in project properties setting a database flag? > > We can still have the two URLs available, so learners can choose if > they want to... > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 08 April 2013 12:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as > an end-user. > > Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. > > I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for > XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. > > I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end > user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) > So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the > publishers and the consumers. > > 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or > > html5) > > 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. > > I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. > > Tom > > P.S. > > I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. > The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply > on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list > yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. > > Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > > Almost :) > > > > > > I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a > conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we > might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project > folder? > > > > > > So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - > > > see twitter bootstrapping, > > > > > > Or > > > > > > Html5 stub file and some code changes > > > > > > Or > > > > > > Status quo > > > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > > > a fair to middling quality > > > > > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > > > > >> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this > > >> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also > > >> mentioned if I understood him correctly) > > >> > > >> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash > > >> or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like > > >> play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to > > >> use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links > > >> for html5 AND flash > > >> > > >> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default > values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then > call one of the explicit implementations. > > >> > > >> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal > > >> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> > > >> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: > > >>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in > Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for > conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything > else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always > have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should > always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We > should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get > stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In > existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash > version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could > denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as > Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. > > >>> > > >>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up > making a big rod for our backs. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > > >>> Mitchell > > >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 > > >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > >>> > > >>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an > extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... > > >>> > > >>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about > lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We > surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? > > >>> > > >>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and > changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared > with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users > and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages > within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users > to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've > created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our > interests to force them to have to do that. > > >>> > > >>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay > and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the > conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's > and from what other users have said even where page types are > available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking > before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I > know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many > cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the > Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 > version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be > embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time > tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour > schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. > > >>> > > >>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to > html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of > existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple > example below after a few more points. > > >>> > > >>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing > list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled > online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to > differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version > 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a > way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently > by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control > for each LO? > > >>> > > >>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's > play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new > LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For > all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to > determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't > auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author > control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing > index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the > scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default > to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even > break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. > > >>> > > >>> Here's a simple example/scenario... > > >>> > > >>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 > where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 > How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? > > >>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that > > >>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. > > >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 > > >>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version > > >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 > > >>> Layout certainly changes > > >>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title > page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font > size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable > change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know > some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all > existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix > every issue like this. > > >>> > > >>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and > remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just > about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid > causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says > it all I think? > > >>> > > >>> Just a few thoughts. > > >>> Ron > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > > >>> Cross > > >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 > > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > >>> > > >>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a > link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you > want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still > show the same content though (e.g. > www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 > to still go to the > Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here > this week. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that > use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. > There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't > supported - it will use Flash instead. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > > >>> Smith, John > > >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 > > >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > >>> > > >>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. > > >>> > > >>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point > upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we > should make that the focus and the default... > > >>> > > >>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those > still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the > opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force > flash on if really required. > > >>> > > >>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority > of the drawing model? > > >>> > > >>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags > but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 > specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> John Smith > > >>> Learning Technologist > > >>> School of Health and Life Sciences > > >>> > > >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer > > >>> html5 and so on > > >>> > > >>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas > > >>> > > >>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be > duplicated and the difference explained? > > >>> > > >>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > >> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? > > >>> > > >>> From: > > >>> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > > >>> Pgogy > > >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 > > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > >>> > > >>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? > > >>> > > >>> Pgogy Webstuff - > > >>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > > >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > >>> > > >>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > >>> > > >>> Brilliant. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I > guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have > options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, > I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this > functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary > problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as > they do -- but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose > we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would > this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that > I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? > > >>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. > On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= > work as well? > > >>> > > >>> yes the other URL will work as well. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer > review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash > version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser > detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we > should probably put something in place for older browsers to say > 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to > amend in the php? > > >>> > > >>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This > morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th > APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the > release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, > though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with > the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM > work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? > > >>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: > http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing > existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please > add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. > > >>> > > >>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do > another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in > rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? > > >>> > > >>> I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out > > >>> with getting this finished, Julian > > >>> > > >>> From: > > >>> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > > >>> Cross > > >>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 > > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 > > >>> > > >>> Hello all > > >>> > > >>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are > only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a > new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. > I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the > release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your > opinions it would be much appreciated... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: > > >>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less > the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and > models_html5 folders instead of common/models. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 2. Abbreviated link: > > >>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working > on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. > www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 > > rather than using the full url? > > >>> > > >>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously > > >>> but I can't find it) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 3. Play / Preview links: > > >>> > > >>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace > and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. > > >>> > > >>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version > when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? > > >>> > > >>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection > that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with > this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 > version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may > miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 > version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense -- probably just > the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so > there might not be many instances where there will be problems if > you're on an older browser anyway. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 4. Page models: > > >>> > > >>> a. John -- is the flickr page finished? > > >>> > > >>> b. Johnathan -- I've emailed you off list about a few queries > I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok -- I didn't want > to bother everyone else with them > > >>> > > >>> c. SCORM -- this isn't working at the moment but I can't > quite remember what's missing. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 8 16:23:57 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:23:57 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <4115F6D3-B52D-467D-B1D6-B0AF65456981@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <4115F6D3-B52D-467D-B1D6-B0AF65456981@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <5162E10D.40508@tor.nl> Explain please... Especially 'This list is available as a drop down for consumers?' Op 8-4-2013 17:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Ok, > > Say we do this > > The default URL is play whatever > > A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. > > This list is available as a drop down for consumers? > > This avoids putting stuff in the database? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >> >> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >> >> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >> >> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) >> So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >> >> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) >> 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >> >> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >> >> Tom >> >> >> P.S. >> >> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >> >> >> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> Almost :) >>> >>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>> >>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >>> >>> Or >>> >>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>> >>> Or >>> >>> Status quo >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>> >>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>>> >>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>> >>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>> >>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>> >>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>> >>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>> >>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>> >>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>> >>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>> >>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>> >>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>> >>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>> >>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>> >>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>> >>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>> >>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>> >>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> John Smith >>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>>> >>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>>> >>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>> >>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>> >>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>> >>>>> Brilliant. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>> >>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>> >>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>> >>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>> >>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> Hello all >>>>> >>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>> >>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>> >>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>> >>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>> >>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>> >>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>> >>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>> >>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Fay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Reijnders >>>>> >>>>> TOR Informatica >>>>> >>>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>>> >>>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>>> >>>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 16:55:14 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:55:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5162E2B0.2090808@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F79504D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5162E2B0.2090808@tor.nl> Message-ID: <0A841C9E-6544-4D66-B90F-271D2DA72C5B@pgogywebstuff.com> Nah it's just me :) Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:30, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Yes, I'll build something as a prtotype for play and peer review. > > If that turns out to work ok I'll help, or I'll implement the other items as well. > > At the omen, I am waiting on a reply from Pat on one of his messages, because, clearly he has something similar, but different in mind, but I am sometimes left clueless on his intentions. > > Must be something English. > > :-) > > > Op 8-4-2013 14:10, Julian Tenney schreef: >> I'm sorry the issue with the messages persists. I did raise it with the systems people here, I will raise it again, because it is a major PITA. >> >> If learners can choose, they can also choose badly? >> >> leaving that aside for now, shall we do as you suggested then, and have a drop down in project properties setting a database flag? >> >> We can still have the two URLs available, so learners can choose if they want to? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 08 April 2013 12:37 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >> >> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >> >> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >> >> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >> >> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or >> html5) >> 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >> >> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >> >> Tom >> >> >> P.S. >> >> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >> >> >> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> > Almost :) >> > >> > I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >> > >> > So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - >> > see twitter bootstrapping, >> > >> > Or >> > >> > Html5 stub file and some code changes >> > >> > Or >> > >> > Status quo >> > >> > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >> > a fair to middling quality >> > >> > On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> > >> >> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this >> >> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also >> >> mentioned if I understood him correctly) >> >> >> >> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash >> >> or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like >> >> play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to >> >> use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links >> >> for html5 AND flash >> >> >> >> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >> >> >> >> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal >> >> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >> >>> >> >>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> >>> Mitchell >> >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >> >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >>> >> >>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >> >>> >> >>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >> >>> >> >>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >> >>> >> >>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >> >>> >> >>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >> >>> >> >>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >> >>> >> >>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >> >>> >> >>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >> >>> >> >>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >> >>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >> >>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >> >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >> >>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >> >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >> >>> Layout certainly changes >> >>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >> >>> >> >>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >> >>> >> >>> Just a few thoughts. >> >>> Ron >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> >>> Cross >> >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >>> >> >>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >> >>> Smith, John >> >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >> >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >>> >> >>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >> >>> >> >>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >> >>> >> >>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >> >>> >> >>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >> >>> >> >>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >> >>> >> >>> Regards >> >>> >> >>> John Smith >> >>> Learning Technologist >> >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >>> >> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >> >>> html5 and so on >> >>> >> >>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >> >>> >> >>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >> >>> >> >>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >> >>> >> >>> From: >> >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> >>> Pgogy >> >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >> >>> >> >>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >> >>> >> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - >> >>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >>> >> >>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >>> >> >>> Brilliant. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >> >>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >> >>> >> >>> yes the other URL will work as well. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >> >>> >> >>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >> >>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >> >>> >> >>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >> >>> >> >>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >> >>> with getting this finished, Julian >> >>> >> >>> From: >> >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> >>> Cross >> >>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >> >>> >> >>> Hello all >> >>> >> >>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >> >>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2. Abbreviated link: >> >>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >> >>> >> >>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >> >>> but I can?t find it) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 3. Play / Preview links: >> >>> >> >>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >> >>> >> >>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >> >>> >> >>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 4. Page models: >> >>> >> >>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >> >>> >> >>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >> >>> >> >>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> Fay >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> c.uk> >> >>> >> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Tom Reijnders >> >>> >> >>> TOR Informatica >> >>> >> >>> Chopinlaan 27 >> >>> >> >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >>> >> >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >>> >> >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> c.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> c.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> >>> number SC021474 >> >>> >> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name >> >>> ,6219,en.html >> >>> >> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name >> >>> ,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Xerte-dev mailing list >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> > >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:23, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Explain please... > > Especially 'This list is available as a drop down for consumers?' > > > Op 8-4-2013 17:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Ok, >> >> Say we do this >> >> The default URL is play whatever >> >> A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. >> >> This list is available as a drop down for consumers? >> >> This avoids putting stuff in the database? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >>> >>> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >>> >>> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >>> >>> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) >>> So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >>> >>> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) >>> 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >>> >>> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> P.S. >>> >>> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >>> >>> >>> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>> Almost :) >>>> >>>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>>> >>>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >>>> >>>> Or >>>> >>>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>>> >>>> Or >>>> >>>> Status quo >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>> >>>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>>> >>>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>>>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>>>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>>>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>>>> >>>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>>> >>>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>>> >>>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>>> >>>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>>> >>>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>>> >>>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>>> >>>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>> >>>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>>> >>>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>>> >>>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>>> >>>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> John Smith >>>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>>>> >>>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>>>> >>>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>>> >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>> >>>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>> >>>>>> Brilliant. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>>> >>>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>>> >>>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>>> >>>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>>> >>>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>>>> >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all >>>>>> >>>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>>> >>>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>>> >>>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>>> >>>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>>> >>>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>>> >>>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>>> >>>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>>> >>>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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Sorry. So please explain how your solution doesn't involve modifying the DB or regstering somehow what the preference of the author would be. Op 8-4-2013 17:56, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Let me put it into a google doc later on. > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:23, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> Explain please... >> >> Especially 'This list is available as a drop down for consumers?' >> >> >> Op 8-4-2013 17:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> Ok, >>> >>> Say we do this >>> >>> The default URL is play whatever >>> >>> A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. >>> >>> This list is available as a drop down for consumers? >>> >>> This avoids putting stuff in the database? >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>>> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >>>> >>>> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >>>> >>>> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >>>> >>>> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) >>>> So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >>>> >>>> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) >>>> 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >>>> >>>> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> >>>> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>>> Almost :) >>>>> >>>>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>>>> >>>>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >>>>> >>>>> Or >>>>> >>>>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>>>> >>>>> Or >>>>> >>>>> Status quo >>>>> >>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>>>>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>>>>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>>>>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>>>>> >>>>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>>>> >>>>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Smith >>>>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brilliant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>>>> >>>>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 17:33, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I am really missing your point, and I hate that. Sorry. > > So please explain how your solution doesn't involve modifying the DB or regstering somehow what the preference of the author would be. > > > Op 8-4-2013 17:56, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Let me put it into a google doc later on. >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:23, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Explain please... >>> >>> Especially 'This list is available as a drop down for consumers?' >>> >>> >>> Op 8-4-2013 17:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>> Ok, >>>> >>>> Say we do this >>>> >>>> The default URL is play whatever >>>> >>>> A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. >>>> >>>> This list is available as a drop down for consumers? >>>> >>>> This avoids putting stuff in the database? >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>> >>>>> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >>>>> >>>>> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >>>>> >>>>> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >>>>> >>>>> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) >>>>> So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) >>>>> 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >>>>> >>>>> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P.S. >>>>> >>>>> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>>>> Almost :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>>>>> >>>>>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >>>>>> >>>>>> Or >>>>>> >>>>>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>>>>> >>>>>> Or >>>>>> >>>>>> Status quo >>>>>> >>>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>>>>>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>>>>>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>>>>>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Smith >>>>>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brilliant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. 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http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 8 18:05:08 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:05:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5162F14D.1050409@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <4115F6D3-B52D-467D-B1D6-B0AF65456981@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162E10D.40508@tor.nl> <5162F14D.1050409@tor.nl> Message-ID: You aren't missing it - I think the difference is quite subtle to me, but might be massive for you :) Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 17:33, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I am really missing your point, and I hate that. Sorry. > > So please explain how your solution doesn't involve modifying the DB or regstering somehow what the preference of the author would be. > > > Op 8-4-2013 17:56, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Let me put it into a google doc later on. >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:23, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Explain please... >>> >>> Especially 'This list is available as a drop down for consumers?' >>> >>> >>> Op 8-4-2013 17:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>> Ok, >>>> >>>> Say we do this >>>> >>>> The default URL is play whatever >>>> >>>> A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. >>>> >>>> This list is available as a drop down for consumers? >>>> >>>> This avoids putting stuff in the database? >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>> >>>>> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >>>>> >>>>> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >>>>> >>>>> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >>>>> >>>>> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) >>>>> So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) >>>>> 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >>>>> >>>>> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P.S. >>>>> >>>>> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>>>> Almost :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>>>>> >>>>>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - see twitter bootstrapping, >>>>>> >>>>>> Or >>>>>> >>>>>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>>>>> >>>>>> Or >>>>>> >>>>>> Status quo >>>>>> >>>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash or html5 is the default engine >>>>>>> 2. Make all the existing links like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to use >>>>>>> 3. Add this toggle to the properties page >>>>>>> 4. Add explicit links for html5 AND flash >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Smith >>>>>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer html5 and so on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>>>>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brilliant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with getting this finished, Julian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >>>>>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but I can?t find it) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> Fay >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom Reijnders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TOR Informatica >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> 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_______________________________________________ >>>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Tom Reijnders >>>>> TOR Informatica >>>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Apr 8 19:43:23 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:43:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking In-Reply-To: <516288EE.2040107@tor.nl> References: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> <516288EE.2040107@tor.nl> Message-ID: <000301ce3488$f43454f0$dc9cfed0$@co.uk> Hi Tom just a quick note to say I tested the 1.2 and 2004 export options earlier today and imported as scorm into a Moodle 2.2.1 Both seemed to work well! This was a simple 5 page test LO with a quiz added at the end just to test that functionality. In Moodle viewing the results of a student viewing the LO and completing the quiz the view of interactions (pages) works best via Scorm 2004 as each page result is showed in a separate row whereas with 1.2 it's all shown under 1 row of cmi.comments but as you say still more info than tracked previously. The only odd thing I noticed from my tests so far is that under general data 1.2 Status showed as passed whereas 2004 showed status as incomplete. Not sure if that's an error or not but why would that differ between 1.2 and 2004? HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 08 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking It makes sense for quizzes, but not for some of the other page types. Also, you can make this as complicated as you want, but in the end, it has to be intuitive to the teacher/lerarning speciaist who creates the LO. I can imagine that we add an optional weight parameter to all interactions, then you could even create 'exercise quizzes' inside an LO. So, summarizing, for the first release, I am not too keen to add all kinds of bells and whistles. In my opinion it is a lot simpler to use, than it was before, and it tracks a lot more data (not even sure at he moment if that's a blessing). The way I implemented though gives you MUCH opportunities to play with the plugin structure you created. The html5 and the flash rlm's use a javascript API to do the tracking, which at the moment is pretty straightforward. The actual tracking is done in separate javascript classes. With the plug-ins, you can imagine building tracking classes targeted at a very specific LMS. I will write op some documentation on this hopefully, before R2-Day... Tom Op 8-4-2013 10:14, Smith, John schreef: > Could we have the total result being a running total also as an option? Im hoping to be able to do an LO where they user does several sections and then end of section quizzes so need overall score rather than average score... > > Anyone tested the score in Blackboard? I can do that at this end when back to work tomorrow. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > OK, good stuff, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking > > I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work > > - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. > > I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with optional LO scorm parameters: > - Do not track at all > - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score > - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on individual questions, etc. > > Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all kinds of scorm environments at the moment. > > Primary goall: robustness. > > Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. > > When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some gotchas there. To be continued. > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 08:54:34 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:54:34 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <1FCFAE61-016B-4D7A-9D10-E59AD87119B8@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <4115F6D3-B52D-467D-B1D6-B0AF65456981@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBE42@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <1FCFAE61-016B-4D7A-9D10-E59AD87119B8@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBEEE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I don't really know what's to be gained by offering the end user the list: to me, the end user should get the content as designed. Think forward maybe 24 months and there might be loads of new HTML functionality that isn't available in the flash version. Maybe there is some merit in letting users upgrade (i.e. deliver in Flash and say 'you want html5 instead?') but I would still prefer that content authors had tested any content to be delivered and made the appropriate URLs available. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 08 April 2013 16:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 You get the default content, then the list Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:23, Julian Tenney wrote: >> This list is available as a drop down for consumers? > > Not keen on that really, the content should just play as it was designed. A lot of users will be confused / make bad choices. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > Pgogy > Sent: 08 April 2013 16:02 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 > > Ok, > > Say we do this > > The default URL is play whatever > > A module can support an infinite number of options, but a module is responsible for choosing its own default. > > This list is available as a drop down for consumers? > > This avoids putting stuff in the database? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 12:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. >> >> Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. >> >> I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. >> >> I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end >> user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. >> >> 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash >> or >> html5) 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. >> >> I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. >> >> Tom >> >> >> P.S. >> >> I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. >> >> >> Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> Almost :) >>> >>> I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? >>> >>> So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - >>> see twitter bootstrapping, >>> >>> Or >>> >>> Html5 stub file and some code changes >>> >>> Or >>> >>> Status quo >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things >>> of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>>> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this >>>> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also >>>> mentioned if I understood him correctly) >>>> >>>> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether >>>> flash or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links >>>> like play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what >>>> engine to use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add >>>> explicit links for html5 AND flash >>>> >>>> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >>>> >>>> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal >>>> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>>>> >>>>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>>> Mitchell >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>>>> >>>>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>>>> >>>>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>>>> >>>>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>>>> >>>>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>>>> >>>>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>>>> >>>>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>>>> >>>>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>>>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >>>>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>>>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>>>> Layout certainly changes >>>>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>>>> >>>>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>>>> >>>>> Just a few thoughts. >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>>> Cross >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> Smith, John >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>>>> >>>>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>>>> >>>>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>>>> >>>>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>>>> >>>>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> John Smith >>>>> Learning Technologist >>>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write >>>>> peer >>>>> html5 and so on >>>>> >>>>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API >>>>> ideas >>>>> >>>>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>>>> >>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> l >>>>> ists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>>>> @ Pgogy >>>>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>>>> >>>>> Pgogy Webstuff - >>>>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>>> >>>>> Brilliant. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I?d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I?d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I?m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do ? but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we?re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>>>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>>>> >>>>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I?m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ?upgrade your browser? or similar? I?m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>>>> >>>>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I?m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you?re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom?s SCORM work isn?t ready by then, I?m not sure it?s a big problem? >>>>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I?ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we?ll fix as many as we can. >>>>> >>>>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>>>> >>>>> I?m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >>>>> with getting this finished, Julian >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> l >>>>> ists.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>>> Cross >>>>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>>>> >>>>> Hello all >>>>> >>>>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>>>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>>>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I?ve noticed it?s working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560 rather than using the full url? >>>>> >>>>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >>>>> but I can?t find it) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>>>> >>>>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>>>> >>>>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>>>> >>>>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense ? probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you?re on an older browser anyway. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4. Page models: >>>>> >>>>> a. John ? is the flickr page finished? >>>>> >>>>> b. Johnathan ? I?ve emailed you off list about a few queries I?ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok ? I didn?t want to bother everyone else with them >>>>> >>>>> c. SCORM ? this isn?t working at the moment but I can?t quite remember what?s missing. I?ll email with more details of what help I might need when I?ve looked back at it >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Fay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ac.uk> >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Reijnders >>>>> >>>>> TOR Informatica >>>>> >>>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>>> >>>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>>> >>>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ac.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> ac.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>>> number SC021474 >>>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/na >>>>> m >>>>> e,6219,en.html >>>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/na >>>>> m e,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 09:41:10 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:41:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5162E2B0.2090808@tor.nl> References: <8o7gpm3uhffhliqwcko7lgbr.1365076597408@email.android.com> <050301ce313f$242c8080$6c858180$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F794EA1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51628B79.1060601@tor.nl> <2CE2CBC6-28EF-4D75-A9B6-E2F452D74CA7@pgogywebstuff.com> <5162ABF9.1080508@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F79504D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5162E2B0.2090808@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FBF4F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Great, thanks. Really appreciate your help here. I think this is a good solution despite the small database change. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 08 April 2013 16:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Yes, I'll build something as a prtotype for play and peer review. If that turns out to work ok I'll help, or I'll implement the other items as well. At the omen, I am waiting on a reply from Pat on one of his messages, because, clearly he has something similar, but different in mind, but I am sometimes left clueless on his intentions. Must be something English. :-) Op 8-4-2013 14:10, Julian Tenney schreef: I'm sorry the issue with the messages persists. I did raise it with the systems people here, I will raise it again, because it is a major PITA. If learners can choose, they can also choose badly... leaving that aside for now, shall we do as you suggested then, and have a drop down in project properties setting a database flag? We can still have the two URLs available, so learners can choose if they want to... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 08 April 2013 12:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 The major reason I dislike that idea, is that it limits my choices as an end-user. Now I can never view a html5 LO with the flash engine. I agree that in the next 6 - 12 months flash won't be any issue for XOT anymore, but why make users choose now. I tend to try to get to a solution that gives the choice to the end user (and there are two of them, the creator, but also the learner) So.... I tend to try to give absolutely maximum flexibility to the publishers and the consumers. 1. Give the publishers the right to express their preference (flash or html5) 2. Give the learners (at some cost) the ability to choose differently. I would be willing to help in implementing such a scheme. Tom P.S. I am a bit frustrated in how the mailing list handles these mails. The mails come in at absolute unpredictable order, and I got a reply on one of my own mails, but my own mail hasn't made it to the list yet. Very frustrating when we try to discuss these kinds of major issues. Op 8-4-2013 12:02, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Almost :) > > I think if we made a new Xerte HTML 5 module then we could offer a conversion tool to change the template type in the database. But we might be able to achieve the same by addin a html5 file to the project folder? > > So new module for html5 and the interesting concept for conversion - > see twitter bootstrapping, > > Or > > Html5 stub file and some code changes > > Or > > Status quo > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > On 8 Apr 2013, at 10:18, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> Although I am not really a fan of database changes, I think in this >> case it would make much sense to consider this: (as Pat also >> mentioned if I understood him correctly) >> >> 1. Add a field to the templatedetails table indicating whether flash >> or html5 is the default engine 2. Make all the existing links like >> play, export, rss, etc. use this field to determine what engine to >> use 3. Add this toggle to the properties page 4. Add explicit links >> for html5 AND flash >> >> In the end, the current play would do the triage based on default values in the DB and capabilities of the requesting platform, and then call one of the explicit implementations. >> >> No code duplication, no confusion of what will happen in normal >> circumstances, and total control to the user... :-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 8-4-2013 10:59, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> Reading this carefully backs up my instinct that LOs made in Flash, should continue to be delivered in Flash. The issues for conversion, as you say, are as likely to be aesthetic as anything else, and URLs out in the wild should continue to work as they always have done. We shouldn't change that to HTML5, and authors should always check content before re-distributing it as HTML5 content. We should leave the old URL in the properties panel so people don't get stuck unable to find the flash URL if that's what they need. In existing LOs, a LO property could force preview to the old flash version if required - or perhaps a new property on the LO icon could denote a 'new' LO and do preview as HTML5; in its absence preview as Flash (because it's old stuff). New stuff should default to HTML5. >>> >>> I'm very leery about making this complicated, because we'll end up making a big rod for our backs. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 15:17 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> Sorry this is going to be a rather long reply but I think it's an extremely important topic. There's no right or wrong here but... >>> >>> We aren't just talking about new installations we're talking about lots of upgrades e.g. all existing organisations upgrading to 2.0. We surely shouldn't be saying only use version 2 as a new clean install? >>> >>> We also have a few to many model here e.g. the decisions and changes made by us and what is a tiny developer community compared with tools like Moodle benefits but also impacts many many more users and potentially thousands of individual learning objects and pages within those learning objects. It isn't realistic for all those users to re-check every single page within every single LO that they've created and shared previously. At least I'd say it's not in our interests to force them to have to do that. >>> >>> It isn't just a case of technical compatibility with HTML 5. Fay and everyone else involved here has done a great job with the conversions and latest developments etc but I know from my own LO's and from what other users have said even where page types are available for both already, each LO and each page needs checking before changing the shared or embedded link to the html 5 version. I know html 5 is the future and offers lots of benefits but in many cases for existing LO's there would still be a preference to share the Flash link as the default and an alternative link to the html 5 version for mobile consumption. In many cases those LO's will be embedded in VLE pages and lots of different places and over time tested and refined etc for Flash based delivery including colour schemes and other customisations which wouldn't work or apply via HTML 5. >>> >>> By only having a single play.php and other links defaulting to html 5 even for existing LO's we risk adversely affecting thousands of existing LO's and in some cases breaking them. I'll share a simple example below after a few more points. >>> >>> There's lots more to unpick here and I'm not sure email/mailing list is the best format to discuss all this so perhaps a scheduled online meeting would be a good idea? In my opinion we need to try to differentiate between existing LO's and newly created LO's in version 2 without introducing a barrier to upgrading. I wonder if there's a way to achieve both by introducing a way to treat new LO's differently by default compared with existing LO's ideally under author control for each LO? >>> >>> e.g. in an install upgraded to version 2 For existing LO's play.php and related links play the Flash version by default For new LO's play.php and related links play the HTML 5 version by default For all LO's there's an optional property that the author can set to determine whether HTML 5 or Flash is the default So this isn't auto-detection based on browser or device etc but is under author control to change defaults. If there's also a method of doing index.php?format=flash then fine too but I have real concern about the scenario that we haven't had so far where changing play.php to default to html 5 for existing LO's in an upgraded install could alter or even break all that existing content or at least some pages within each LO. >>> >>> Here's a simple example/scenario... >>> >>> Let's say Nottingham upgraded their existing install to version 2 where play.php now defaults all LO's including existing LO's to HTML 5 How many users, LO's and individual pages would that involve checking? >>> I really like the range of LO's with very visual title pages that >>> Julianhas shared previously via the mailing lists etc e.g. >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_81 >>> Compare that Flash view with the HTML 5 version >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5.php?template_id=81 >>> Layout certainly changes >>> Some browsers e.g. Chrome and Safari on iPad don't show the title page images (not sure why that is?) Page 2 has very different font size via Flash and HTML 5 - not broken but arguably not a desirable change Page 4 appears empty via HTML 5 - so arguably broken I know some of these issue may be fixable but how realistic is that for all existing LO's? In any case it may take a long time to find and fix every issue like this. >>> >>> So just in this one example there would be a lot to check and remedy if HTML 5 is forced for existing LO's. I know it's not just about play.php and may involve jumping through hoops just to avoid causing these sorts of problems but that few to many relationship says it all I think? >>> >>> Just a few thoughts. >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want. I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version). I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week. >>> >>> >>> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers. There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Smith, John >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat. >>> >>> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default... >>> >>> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required. >>> >>> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model? >>> >>> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer >>> html5 and so on >>> >>> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas >>> >>> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained? >>> >>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross >> wrote: >>> >>> Two. Unless that will cause problems? >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >>> Pgogy >>> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 >>> >>> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach? >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - >>> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com> >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders >> wrote: >>> >>> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> >>> Brilliant. >>> >>> >>> 1. Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I'd prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I'd love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I'm not sure people really need to export content as much as they do - but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we're stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc? >>> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well? >>> >>> yes the other URL will work as well. >>> >>> >>> 3. Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I'm not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say 'upgrade your browser' or similar? I'm guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php? >>> >>> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I'm thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you're getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom's SCORM work isn't ready by then, I'm not sure it's a big problem? >>> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!) >>> >>> >>> >>> I've made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we'll fix as many as we can. >>> >>> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July? >>> >>> I'm off next week, but will have some time after that to help out >>> with getting this finished, Julian >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5 >>> >>> Hello all >>> >>> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view. I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated... >>> >>> >>> 1. Exporting HTML projects: >>> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. Abbreviated link: >>> Possibly something Ron can help with as I've noticed it's working on his install. Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560> rather than using the full url? >>> >>> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously >>> but I can't find it) >>> >>> >>> 3. Play / Preview links: >>> >>> a. Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version. >>> >>> b. In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5? >>> >>> c. Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see? The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content. Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense - probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you're on an older browser anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. Page models: >>> >>> a. John - is the flickr page finished? >>> >>> b. Johnathan - I've emailed you off list about a few queries I've got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok - I didn't want to bother everyone else with them >>> >>> c. SCORM - this isn't working at the moment but I can't quite remember what's missing. I'll email with more details of what help I might need when I've looked back at it >>> >>> Thanks >>> Fay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> c.uk> >>> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> >>> TOR Informatica >>> >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> c.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> c.uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>> number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name >>> ,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name >>> ,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 9 10:54:42 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:54:42 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking In-Reply-To: <000301ce3488$f43454f0$dc9cfed0$@co.uk> References: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> <516288EE.2040107@tor.nl> <000301ce3488$f43454f0$dc9cfed0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <20130409115442.32822rf23hz94axu@server.tor.nl> Hi Ron, Thanks for testing! The Scorm 2004 should say 'completed' if all pages were visited. In Scorm2004 the copmpletion status is separated from the Success status. So in 2004 you can have completed as Completion Status and 'failed' as success status. The moodle score book doesn't handle that situation very good. And I want the commenst in Scorm 1.2 separated with new lines, but haven't found a working linebreak character yet. Tom Citeren Ron Mitchell : > Hi Tom > just a quick note to say I tested the 1.2 and 2004 export options > earlier today and imported as scorm into a Moodle 2.2.1 > > Both seemed to work well! This was a simple 5 page test LO with a > quiz added at the end just to test that functionality. > > In Moodle viewing the results of a student viewing the LO and > completing the quiz the view of interactions (pages) works best via > Scorm 2004 as each page result is showed in a separate row whereas > with 1.2 it's all shown under 1 row of cmi.comments but as you say > still more info than tracked previously. > > The only odd thing I noticed from my tests so far is that under > general data 1.2 Status showed as passed whereas 2004 showed status > as incomplete. Not sure if that's an error or not but why would that > differ between 1.2 and 2004? > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 08 April 2013 10:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking > > It makes sense for quizzes, but not for some of the other page types. > > Also, you can make this as complicated as you want, but in the end, > it has to be intuitive to the teacher/lerarning speciaist who > creates the LO. > > I can imagine that we add an optional weight parameter to all > interactions, then you could even create 'exercise quizzes' inside > an LO. > > So, summarizing, for the first release, I am not too keen to add all > kinds of bells and whistles. In my opinion it is a lot simpler to > use, than it was before, and it tracks a lot more data (not even > sure at he moment if that's a blessing). > > The way I implemented though gives you MUCH opportunities to play > with the plugin structure you created. The html5 and the flash > rlm's use a javascript API to do the tracking, which at the moment > is pretty straightforward. The actual tracking is done in separate > javascript classes. With the plug-ins, you can imagine building > tracking classes targeted at a very specific LMS. > > I will write op some documentation on this hopefully, before R2-Day... > > > Tom > > Op 8-4-2013 10:14, Smith, John schreef: >> Could we have the total result being a running total also as an >> option? Im hoping to be able to do an LO where they user does >> several sections and then end of section quizzes so need overall >> score rather than average score... >> >> Anyone tested the score in Blackboard? I can do that at this end >> when back to work tomorrow. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> OK, good stuff, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking >> >> I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work >> >> - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the >> optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled >> when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes >> (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. >> >> I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and >> replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with >> optional LO scorm parameters: >> - Do not track at all >> - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score >> - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on >> individual questions, etc. >> >> Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all >> kinds of scorm environments at the moment. >> >> Primary goall: robustness. >> >> Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. >> >> When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with >> moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from >> XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some >> gotchas there. To be continued. >> >> Tom >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have >> received this message in error, please send it back to me, and >> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >> information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 9 11:24:40 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:24:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking In-Reply-To: <20130409115442.32822rf23hz94axu@server.tor.nl> References: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> <516288EE.2040107@tor.nl> <000301ce3488$f43454f0$dc9cfed0$@co.uk> <20130409115442.32822rf23hz94axu@server.tor.nl> Message-ID: <007801ce350c$72dcdd80$58969880$@co.uk> Hi Tom I'll try to test further at some point especially to verify the completion status. I possibly found another/related issue but need to test further. However I'll mention now in case it's something you're aware of... I have two different installations on the same server both using static authentication. On one your latest export code works but on the other it doesn't whereas it does work with the previous export code in place. I'm wondering if this is because your latest export code requires changes/additions to the .htaccess code? I need to find time to test further but that's the main difference between the two installations e.g. one has Apache set to true and the other (the one that works) has Apache set to false. As I say I'll test further and report back because there are other issues I've found in testing although not necessarily related to your commits. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 09 April 2013 10:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking Hi Ron, Thanks for testing! The Scorm 2004 should say 'completed' if all pages were visited. In Scorm2004 the copmpletion status is separated from the Success status. So in 2004 you can have completed as Completion Status and 'failed' as success status. The moodle score book doesn't handle that situation very good. And I want the commenst in Scorm 1.2 separated with new lines, but haven't found a working linebreak character yet. Tom Citeren Ron Mitchell : > Hi Tom > just a quick note to say I tested the 1.2 and 2004 export options > earlier today and imported as scorm into a Moodle 2.2.1 > > Both seemed to work well! This was a simple 5 page test LO with a quiz > added at the end just to test that functionality. > > In Moodle viewing the results of a student viewing the LO and > completing the quiz the view of interactions (pages) works best via > Scorm 2004 as each page result is showed in a separate row whereas > with 1.2 it's all shown under 1 row of cmi.comments but as you say > still more info than tracked previously. > > The only odd thing I noticed from my tests so far is that under > general data 1.2 Status showed as passed whereas 2004 showed status as > incomplete. Not sure if that's an error or not but why would that > differ between 1.2 and 2004? > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 08 April 2013 10:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking > > It makes sense for quizzes, but not for some of the other page types. > > Also, you can make this as complicated as you want, but in the end, it > has to be intuitive to the teacher/lerarning speciaist who creates the > LO. > > I can imagine that we add an optional weight parameter to all > interactions, then you could even create 'exercise quizzes' inside an > LO. > > So, summarizing, for the first release, I am not too keen to add all > kinds of bells and whistles. In my opinion it is a lot simpler to use, > than it was before, and it tracks a lot more data (not even sure at he > moment if that's a blessing). > > The way I implemented though gives you MUCH opportunities to play with > the plugin structure you created. The html5 and the flash rlm's use a > javascript API to do the tracking, which at the moment is pretty > straightforward. The actual tracking is done in separate javascript > classes. With the plug-ins, you can imagine building tracking classes > targeted at a very specific LMS. > > I will write op some documentation on this hopefully, before R2-Day... > > > Tom > > Op 8-4-2013 10:14, Smith, John schreef: >> Could we have the total result being a running total also as an >> option? Im hoping to be able to do an LO where they user does several >> sections and then end of section quizzes so need overall score rather >> than average score... >> >> Anyone tested the score in Blackboard? I can do that at this end when >> back to work tomorrow. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> OK, good stuff, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking >> >> I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work >> >> - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the >> optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled >> when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes >> (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. >> >> I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and >> replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with >> optional LO scorm parameters: >> - Do not track at all >> - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score >> - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on >> individual questions, etc. >> >> Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all >> kinds of scorm environments at the moment. >> >> Primary goall: robustness. >> >> Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. >> >> When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with >> moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from >> XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some >> gotchas there. To be continued. >> >> Tom >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and >> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >> information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any >> views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not >> necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your >> computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK >> legislation. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of >> the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year >> 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities >> Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 9 11:31:58 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:31:58 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking In-Reply-To: <007801ce350c$72dcdd80$58969880$@co.uk> References: <5edxu6e41hbjxcxtob29xs4o.1365408847204@email.android.com> <516288EE.2040107@tor.nl> <000301ce3488$f43454f0$dc9cfed0$@co.uk> <20130409115442.32822rf23hz94axu@server.tor.nl> <007801ce350c$72dcdd80$58969880$@co.uk> Message-ID: <20130409123158.93521svf2dedrfvi@server.tor.nl> Regarding the htaccess issue.... Could be, especially for html5 export. I'll check. Citeren Ron Mitchell : > Hi Tom > I'll try to test further at some point especially to verify the > completion status. > > I possibly found another/related issue but need to test further. > However I'll mention now in case it's something you're aware of... > > I have two different installations on the same server both using > static authentication. On one your latest export code works but on > the other it doesn't whereas it does work with the previous export > code in place. I'm wondering if this is because your latest export > code requires changes/additions to the .htaccess code? I need to > find time to test further but that's the main difference between the > two installations e.g. one has Apache set to true and the other (the > one that works) has Apache set to false. > > As I say I'll test further and report back because there are other > issues I've found in testing although not necessarily related to > your commits. > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 09 April 2013 10:55 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking > > Hi Ron, > > Thanks for testing! The Scorm 2004 should say 'completed' if all > pages were visited. > > In Scorm2004 the copmpletion status is separated from the Success > status. So in 2004 you can have completed as Completion Status and > 'failed' as success status. The moodle score book doesn't handle > that situation very good. > > And I want the commenst in Scorm 1.2 separated with new lines, but > haven't found a working linebreak character yet. > > Tom > > > Citeren Ron Mitchell : > >> Hi Tom >> just a quick note to say I tested the 1.2 and 2004 export options >> earlier today and imported as scorm into a Moodle 2.2.1 >> >> Both seemed to work well! This was a simple 5 page test LO with a quiz >> added at the end just to test that functionality. >> >> In Moodle viewing the results of a student viewing the LO and >> completing the quiz the view of interactions (pages) works best via >> Scorm 2004 as each page result is showed in a separate row whereas >> with 1.2 it's all shown under 1 row of cmi.comments but as you say >> still more info than tracked previously. >> >> The only odd thing I noticed from my tests so far is that under >> general data 1.2 Status showed as passed whereas 2004 showed status as >> incomplete. Not sure if that's an error or not but why would that >> differ between 1.2 and 2004? >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 08 April 2013 10:08 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: SCORM tracking >> >> It makes sense for quizzes, but not for some of the other page types. >> >> Also, you can make this as complicated as you want, but in the end, it >> has to be intuitive to the teacher/lerarning speciaist who creates the >> LO. >> >> I can imagine that we add an optional weight parameter to all >> interactions, then you could even create 'exercise quizzes' inside an >> LO. >> >> So, summarizing, for the first release, I am not too keen to add all >> kinds of bells and whistles. In my opinion it is a lot simpler to use, >> than it was before, and it tracks a lot more data (not even sure at he >> moment if that's a blessing). >> >> The way I implemented though gives you MUCH opportunities to play with >> the plugin structure you created. The html5 and the flash rlm's use a >> javascript API to do the tracking, which at the moment is pretty >> straightforward. The actual tracking is done in separate javascript >> classes. With the plug-ins, you can imagine building tracking classes >> targeted at a very specific LMS. >> >> I will write op some documentation on this hopefully, before R2-Day... >> >> >> Tom >> >> Op 8-4-2013 10:14, Smith, John schreef: >>> Could we have the total result being a running total also as an >>> option? Im hoping to be able to do an LO where they user does several >>> sections and then end of section quizzes so need overall score rather >>> than average score... >>> >>> Anyone tested the score in Blackboard? I can do that at this end when >>> back to work tomorrow. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>> >>> OK, good stuff, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Reijnders >>> Sent: 05 April 2013 14:40 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] SCORM tracking >>> >>> I just committed the second stage of SCORM tracking work >>> >>> - quiz tracking is enabled again, but it doesn't look at/ need the >>> optional parameters at all. At the moment the tracking is enabled >>> when a scorm package is exported. Also, you now can have two quizes >>> (quizzes?) in a LO. The total result will be the weighted average. >>> >>> I want to get rid of the quiz parameters dealing with scorm and >>> replace the quiz specific optional scorm tracking parameters with >>> optional LO scorm parameters: >>> - Do not track at all >>> - Do minimal tracking, ie. only final score >>> - Do full tracking with times spent in all pages, scores on >>> individual questions, etc. >>> >>> Mind you, this is still work in progress, and I am testing in all >>> kinds of scorm environments at the moment. >>> >>> Primary goall: robustness. >>> >>> Another goal is to be able to use a LO from XOT as a SCORM LO, i.e. >>> >>> When you have xot and moodle installed next to each other (with >>> moodle integration), create a scorm manifest that uses the LO from >>> XOT, without export. Much easier to maintain, but there are some >>> gotchas there. To be continued. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >>> message in error, please send it back to me, and >>> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >>> information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 9 16:14:20 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess Message-ID: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 17:24:54 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:24:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Message-ID: <5rlrq3tcg6e7rr3gcl8ojcsi.1365524090704@email.android.com> Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 17:34:52 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else?I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly).Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else?I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly).Database entry? From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else?I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly).Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 9 18:15:20 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5rlrq3tcg6e7rr3gcl8ojcsi.1365524090704@email.android.com> References: <5rlrq3tcg6e7rr3gcl8ojcsi.1365524090704@email.android.com> Message-ID: <014a01ce3545$d1c70620$75551260$@co.uk> For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 9 18:24:24 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <51644EC8.8070008@tor.nl> By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the > Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the > Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > And > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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BTW, got that issue with audio's working locally but not off server fixed.Just a tweak of the Wait=1 code in XmlEngine.Dave Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 9 18:48:49 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:48:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <51644EC8.8070008@tor.nl> Message-ID: <51645481.3060107@tor.nl> Good news! Do you have the code? Is it general enough for everyone? Can you send me or Julian the modification? We can check it in in svn. Tom Op 9-4-2013 19:42, Dave Burnett schreef: > Cheers Tom. > > BTW, got that issue with audio's working locally but not off server fixed. > Just a tweak of the Wait=1 code in XmlEngine. > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > From: reijnders at tor.nl > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > Tom > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the > Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 19:02:52 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:02:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: <51645481.3060107@tor.nl> References: , , , , , , , <51644EC8.8070008@tor.nl> , <51645481.3060107@tor.nl> Message-ID: It might not be that simple.Julian had a "b" of a time getting attached page synchronization to work and we're not sure if my fix would have a negative effect on that side of things. We may fix one thing and break another. :-/ XMLEngine.flaframe 1line 4731 Changed this if (this._parent.sound.duration == this._parent.sound.position) { to if ((this._parent.sound.duration != 0) && (this._parent.sound.duration == this._parent.sound.position)) { It looks like server latency causes an initial value of 0 to be read for both audio duration and position.That causes the Wait frame loop to exit() instead of waiting.So we added the duration != 0 condition to block that behavior. Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:48:49 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Good news! Do you have the code? Is it general enough for everyone? Can you send me or Julian the modification? We can check it in in svn. Tom Op 9-4-2013 19:42, Dave Burnett schreef: Cheers Tom. BTW, got that issue with audio's working locally but not off server fixed. Just a tweak of the Wait=1 code in XmlEngine. Dave Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 9 19:19:35 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:19:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5rlrq3tcg6e7rr3gcl8ojcsi.1365524090704@email.android.com> Message-ID: <7d6aa7a0302e91503ff2da21db528ffa052d36d6@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> it doesn't matter what the method is because the module handles it, so you can call it what you want.I'd call it HTML5 so the url is at least a bit explainable ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, John" To:"xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk" Cc: Sent:Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:24:54 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 9 19:32:40 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:32:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <014a01ce3545$d1c70620$75551260$@co.uk> Message-ID: <225ac55f4ae44480f9d47851dbdc8b3f8412abc3@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> But this isn't a new solution, it's stopping a problem getting stupid.So I installed a new module called Ebook. I want a play option which downloads the ebook, and a play_html option which allows people to read the ebook online.Sadly I can't have this, because play_html has already been claimed by another module, so I am a bit screwed? So logically I create a new play_ebook page, but then to install that module I've got to copy a new page into the root just to make it work. And then imagine 50 modules, which 50 different play pages, so your root folder is full of files and remembering which one does which is a little bit awkward.The apache version is just play__So no one needs edit a htaccess again? Because those people who don't want to, or can't write code are going to need to update their htaccess as part of any update, or in theory after any new module is introduced.As a sideways statement, if we modularise properly, XOT becomes a lot more useful (especially to me), without it I think we're missing a huge trick----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:15:20 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 9 19:33:40 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: <51644EC8.8070008@tor.nl> Message-ID: That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack.? How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? ------------------------- From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com [1] To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [2] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [3] > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [4] > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at listsnottingham.ac.uk [5] > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev [6] > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett wrote: > Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. > Gates said "Who would want to do that?". > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Tom Reijnders" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > Tom > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > And > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Gates said "Who would want to do that?". ________________________________ From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? ________________________________ From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 20:17:28 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:17:28 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just happen to like "Nattingham".Rolls off the tongue better. > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:14:33 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > I was thinking that Robin Hood was persona non grata over there ;-) > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Dave Burnett wrote: > > > I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name. > Maybe include the project name. > > > ________________________________ > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett > wrote: > > Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. > Gates said "Who would want to do that?". > > > ________________________________ > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Tom Reijnders" > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > Cc: > > Sent: > Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > Tom > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > ________________________________ > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > And > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Dave Burnett wrote: I just happen to like "Nattingham". Rolls off the tongue better. > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:14:33 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > I was thinking that Robin Hood was persona non grata over there ;-) > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Dave Burnett wrote: > > > I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name. > Maybe include the project name. > > > ________________________________ > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett > wrote: > > Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. > Gates said "Who would want to do that?". > > > ________________________________ > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Tom Reijnders" > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > Cc: > > Sent: > Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > Tom > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > ________________________________ > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > And > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 20:25:08 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We spoke French fluently. You got a light Mac?No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat. > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:21:01 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > It does have that certain je ne sais quoi... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Dave Burnett wrote: > > > I just happen to like "Nattingham". > Rolls off the tongue better. > > > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:14:33 +0100 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > I was thinking that Robin Hood was persona non grata over there ;-) > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > Dave Burnett wrote: > > > > > > I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name. > > Maybe include the project name. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett > wrote: > > > > Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. > > Gates said "Who would want to do that?". > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > "Tom Reijnders" > > > > > To: > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > Cc: > > > > Sent: > > Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > > Subject: > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > > > Tom > > > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > > Database entry? > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > > Database entry? > > > > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > > And > > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > Tom > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > And > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:26:44 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Why? 1) urlencode madness awaits2) management.php Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 20:11, Dave Burnett wrote: I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name.Maybe include the project name. From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett wrote: Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option.Gates said "Who would want to do that?". From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 9 21:03:45 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:03:45 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: References: <51644EC8.8070008@tor.nl>, , , <1C4AEAC2-5682-427C-8808-9C9A7582D7AC@pgogywebstuff.com>, , <5040DA0D-3801-4C48-82E6-A69E1970B90D@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <51647421.9060808@tor.nl> It's in the site_details table... ;-) Op 9-4-2013 21:44, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Hmm. > Guess I should have written that admin password down somewhere. > Though for the life of me I can't remember having to specify it. > Got the db password though. > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:26:44 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > Why? > > 1) urlencode madness awaits > 2) management.php > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 20:11, Dave Burnett > wrote: > > I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in > the folder name. > Maybe include the project name. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett > wrote: > > Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. > Gates said "Who would want to do that?". > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Tom Reijnders" > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > Cc: > > Sent: > Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > Tom > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to > alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits > (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to > alter the Nottingham string to something else? > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits > (not surprisingly). > Database entry? > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > And > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely > for the addressee and may contain confidential > information. 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From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:26:44 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Why? 1) urlencode madness awaits 2) management.php Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 20:11, Dave Burnett wrote: I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name. Maybe include the project name. From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett wrote: Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. Gates said "Who would want to do that?". From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 21:10:30 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:10:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Message-ID: Dunno what came over me. We Glaswegians usually struggle to speak English... I did have a baguette for lunch though... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Dave Burnett wrote: We spoke French fluently. You got a light Mac? No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat. > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:21:01 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > It does have that certain je ne sais quoi... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Dave Burnett wrote: > > > I just happen to like "Nattingham". > Rolls off the tongue better. > > > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:14:33 +0100 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > I was thinking that Robin Hood was persona non grata over there ;-) > > > > Regards > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health and Life Sciences > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > > > Dave Burnett wrote: > > > > > > I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name. > > Maybe include the project name. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett > wrote: > > > > Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. > > Gates said "Who would want to do that?". > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > "Tom Reijnders" > > > > > To: > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > Cc: > > > > Sent: > > Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 > > Subject: > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure > > > > > > By heart, you need to change it in three places: > > > > 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table > > 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates > > 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates > > > > Tom > > > > Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: > > > > Oops, sorry for the hijack. > > > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > > Database entry? > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > > How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? > > I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). > > Database entry? > > > > > > > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > > > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > > > > > Can the play URL be > > > > > > Play.php?template_id=560 > > > And > > > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > > > > > And not playhtml.php? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 9 21:31:59 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:31:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Two options 1) when installing tick the "whenever I forget my password get pat to fly past my window and sky write it"2) email the list the with your password then you can search the archive when you forget. ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:09:00 -0400 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure So I did write it down!In the database. ;-) ------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:03:45 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure It's in the site_details table... ;-) Op 9-4-2013 21:44, Dave Burnett schreef: Hmm. Guess I should have written that admin password down somewhere. Though for the life of me I can't remember having to specify it. Got the db password though. From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [1] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:26:44 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [2] Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Why?? 1) urlencode madness awaits 2) management.php Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [3] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 20:11, Dave Burnett wrote: I'm actually looking to put something a little more descriptive in the folder name. Maybe include the project name. ------------------------- From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [5] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 20:02:28 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [6] Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Not really, why would you want to change one word for another? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [7] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:39, Dave Burnett wrote: Like Windows 3.11 not having a Shut Down option. Gates said "Who would want to do that?". ------------------------- From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [9] To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [10] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure That should do it, I've never tried it mind....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack.? How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? ------------------------- From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com [13] To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [14] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? > From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [15] > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:14:20 +0100 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [16] > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Modules and htaccess > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [17] > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev [18] > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 22:07:35 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:07:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , <51644EC8.8070008@tor.nl> , <51645481.3060107@tor.nl>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F6829FD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I checked it in ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2013 19:02 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure It might not be that simple. Julian had a "b" of a time getting attached page synchronization to work and we're not sure if my fix would have a negative effect on that side of things. We may fix one thing and break another. :-/ XMLEngine.fla frame 1 line 4731 Changed this if (this._parent.sound.duration == this._parent.sound.position) { to if ((this._parent.sound.duration != 0) && (this._parent.sound.duration == this._parent.sound.position)) { It looks like server latency causes an initial value of 0 to be read for both audio duration and position. That causes the Wait frame loop to exit() instead of waiting. So we added the duration != 0 condition to block that behavior. ________________________________ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:48:49 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure Good news! Do you have the code? Is it general enough for everyone? Can you send me or Julian the modification? We can check it in in svn. Tom Op 9-4-2013 19:42, Dave Burnett schreef: Cheers Tom. BTW, got that issue with audio's working locally but not off server fixed. Just a tweak of the Wait=1 code in XmlEngine. Dave ________________________________ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:24:24 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Change Nottingham in folder structure By heart, you need to change it in three places: 1. in the originaltemplatesdetails table 2. The folder name in modules/xerte/parent_templates 3. The folder name in modules/xerte/templates Tom Op 9-4-2013 18:50, Dave Burnett schreef: Oops, sorry for the hijack. How tough is it to changes the USER-FILES structure to alter the Nottingham string to something else? I searched the php for Nottingham and got 936 hits (not surprisingly). Database entry? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 23:14:18 2013 From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (Thomas Rochford) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:14:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Playing Flash in Windows 8 Metro Message-ID: <022601ce356f$95982060$c0c86120$@jiscadvance.ac.uk> Good Evening, Yes, it can be done, as some of you may be aware. If you are aware or do not plan to use Windows 8 then you can safely bin this email. For those of you who didn't (and who care!) there is a list of whitelisted sites in Windows 8 (including the SurfaceRT) called iecompatdata.xml at: %HOMEPATH%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\IECompatData\ You can open and edit this file directly with Notepad by pressing WIN + R and type: notepad "%HOMEPATH%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\IECompatData\iecompatdata.xml" All whitelisted flash enabled websites are located in this file in between the following tags: [...] zumiez.com zynga.com If this section isn't present you can add it. You can then add your domains in between these two tags, e.g. zumiez.com nottingham.ac.uk tcrochford.co.uk youtube.com zynga.com You then need to clear your browsing history by going into Metro Mode, firing up IE and keying WIN+I which opens up the Internet Options window in which there is a command (at the top in the SurfaceRT) to delete browsing history. There is also an application which you can download which allegedly does it all for you, but I'm a bit wary of running something which I don't know. This information can all be found on Google. The application can be downloaded from http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-rt-flash-player-tool-lets-you-easily-whit e-list-websites and the instructions for doing it manually can be found at the slightly more respectable http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33443315 Kindest Regards, Thomas ========================================================== Thomas Rochford? |? e-Learning Advisor? |? Jisc RSC Eastern Tel: 01223 564749 |? Mobile: 07500 669002? |? Skype: cambridge.serendipity Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk ?|? Web: http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 10 08:08:07 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:08:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Playing Flash in Windows 8 Metro In-Reply-To: <022601ce356f$95982060$c0c86120$@jiscadvance.ac.uk> References: <022601ce356f$95982060$c0c86120$@jiscadvance.ac.uk> Message-ID: <365B7352-57B4-40C4-9085-3F539C94F5B0@pgogywebstuff.com> Add this to the docs? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 9 Apr 2013, at 23:14, "Thomas Rochford" wrote: > Good Evening, > > Yes, it can be done, as some of you may be aware. If you are aware or do not > plan to use Windows 8 then you can safely bin this email. > > For those of you who didn't (and who care!) there is a list of whitelisted > sites in Windows 8 (including the SurfaceRT) called iecompatdata.xml at: > > %HOMEPATH%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\IECompatData\ > > You can open and edit this file directly with Notepad by pressing WIN + R > and type: > > notepad "%HOMEPATH%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet > Explorer\IECompatData\iecompatdata.xml" All whitelisted flash enabled > websites are located in this file in between the following tags: > > > [...] > zumiez.com > zynga.com > > > If this section isn't present you can add it. > > You can then add your domains in between these two tags, e.g. > > > zumiez.com > nottingham.ac.uk > tcrochford.co.uk > youtube.com > zynga.com > > > You then need to clear your browsing history by going into Metro Mode, > firing up IE and keying WIN+I which opens up the Internet Options window in > which there is a command (at the top in the SurfaceRT) to delete browsing > history. > > There is also an application which you can download which allegedly does it > all for you, but I'm a bit wary of running something which I don't know. > > This information can all be found on Google. > > The application can be downloaded from > http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-rt-flash-player-tool-lets-you-easily-whit > e-list-websites > > and the instructions for doing it manually can be found at the slightly more > respectable > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33443315 > > Kindest Regards, > Thomas > ========================================================== > Thomas Rochford | e-Learning Advisor | Jisc RSC Eastern > Tel: 01223 564749 | Mobile: 07500 669002 | Skype: cambridge.serendipity > Email: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk | Web: > http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk/eastern > Cambridge Serendipity, 35 Gough Way, Cambridge, CB3 9LN > For the full range of RSC UK events, resources and blog, visit > http://www.jiscrsc.ac.uk > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 10 09:41:32 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <014a01ce3545$d1c70620$75551260$@co.uk> References: <5rlrq3tcg6e7rr3gcl8ojcsi.1365524090704@email.android.com> <014a01ce3545$d1c70620$75551260$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 10 11:19:19 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:19:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November -?http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html [1]?- but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 10 11:24:56 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:24:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 10 12:02:18 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:02:18 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516546BA.4030300@tor.nl> Hmm... It is already kind of modular isn't it? I mean the root play.php checks security etc, and determines whether it is allowed to display the LO, and than it includes ' module//play.php' that should have the proper 'show_template' and 'dont_show_template' routines. Only in the latter should we check for what engine to use, because that is xerte specific. We could call the column in the db about what engine top use in the templatesdetails 'extra_args' so other templates types can use this as well for other purposes. No need to have an extra play in the root then, only in the module/site/.... That seems like a nice way out of this. I'll implement it this way for play and module/xerte/play And you can use url params on play that would only make sense for certain modules, i.e. you could request play.php?template_id=4&engine=xenith and if this happens to be an eBook, the engine parameter would just be ignore. No harm done.... So: The author determines what he or she would like to be the most appropriate engine, nothing will change on the urls, there is a way to overrule the author's wishes (we can even let the author prohibit that if we really want that) and there is a nice way to introduce new play, preview, peer etc. Tom Op 10-4-2013 12:24, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff > in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine > that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site > template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say > having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to > modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: > there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code > in there, which shouldn't be there really. > > We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a tentative deadline. I > don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this > out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer -- > so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the > summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think. > > What do others think? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > True, and happy to shut up > > But I first raised this in November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due > to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two > things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked > through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I > have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. > Now we want to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's > sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta > testing the templates, rather than anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, > and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work > done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. > I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung > about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the > expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults > for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require > people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that > compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or > inclination to do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code > links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should > continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html > 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it > more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes > like this or the new defaults being > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links > aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals > have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the > community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes > sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what > we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break > those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything through the same > page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening > the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed > play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate > play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main > play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php > file as play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just > call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 10 12:12:49 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:12:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <561C8EB0-EA6C-4E08-A940-88FFC73237FE@pgogywebstuff.com> I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn?t be there really. > > We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. > > What do others think? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > True, and happy to shut up > > But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 10 13:05:06 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:05:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <516546BA.4030300@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516546BA.4030300@tor.nl> Message-ID: Yep, you just add a switch statement to the show template code It'll work for export too And if someone wants to send an unsupported engine through, then it ignores it and defaults So you could release the bootstrap too Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 12:02, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Hmm... > > It is already kind of modular isn't it? > > I mean the root play.php checks security etc, and determines whether it is allowed to display the LO, and than it includes ' module//play.php' that should have the proper 'show_template' and 'dont_show_template' routines. Only in the latter should we check for what engine to use, because that is xerte specific. We could call the column in the db about what engine top use in the templatesdetails 'extra_args' so other templates types can use this as well for other purposes. > > No need to have an extra play in the root then, only in the module/site/.... > > That seems like a nice way out of this. I'll implement it this way for play and module/xerte/play > > And you can use url params on play that would only make sense for certain modules, i.e. you could request play.php?template_id=4&engine=xenith and if this happens to be an eBook, the engine parameter would just be ignore. No harm done.... > > So: The author determines what he or she would like to be the most appropriate engine, nothing will change on the urls, there is a way to overrule the author's wishes (we can even let the author prohibit that if we really want that) and there is a nice way to introduce new play, preview, peer etc. > > Tom > > > Op 10-4-2013 12:24, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn?t be there really. >> >> We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. >> >> What do others think? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >> Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> True, and happy to shut up >> >> But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> >> To: >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> Cc: >> >> Sent: >> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 >> Subject: >> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: >> >> - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? >> - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. >> >> At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... >> >> /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise >> /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. >> >> I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? >> >> Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Howdy >> >> I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. >> >> Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: >> >> >> Could we use the following URL structure? >> >> Can the play URL be >> >> Play.php?template_id=560 >> And >> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML >> >> And not playhtml.php? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 10 16:05:43 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <561C8EB0-EA6C-4E08-A940-88FFC73237FE@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <561C8EB0-EA6C-4E08-A940-88FFC73237FE@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC658@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away? this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 10 16:47:47 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:47:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC658@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <561C8EB0-EA6C-4E08-A940-88FFC73237FE@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC658@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <02d001ce3602$c08ca3c0$41a5eb40$@co.uk> Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way I feel that I need to say that the vast majority of time that I make comments/suggestions here it's with my experience/awareness of the wider community in mind and not wanting to negate all the good work done by everyone involved. Yes I've shared play_html5 links but if it was just me it wouldn't matter. Likewise I full agree with the need for modularity, to avoid cluttering the root with legacy stuff etc etc But we surely all agree with the basic principle of existing links continue to work regardless of if's and buts and why's and wherefores! ;-) Not sure about learning module what wrong with Xerte Site Template? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 10 April 2013 16:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away? this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 10 16:29:49 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC658@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC383@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <67187e1debb087bf5f9de1c185bdacdd00e38565@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC46D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <561C8EB0-EA6C-4E08-A940-88FFC73237FE@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC658@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5165856D.5050000@tor.nl> There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Mangle away... this obviously has links to the properties panel and > URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise > the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: > > The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; > > Different URLs would provide access to the content -- so the flash / > html URLs would actually be available > > Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion > > The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the > various feeds etc > > Principle: existing links continue to work > > Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not > only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way > > We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to > have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. > Learning Module?) > > Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do > the work once... > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck > record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road > map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. > > I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with > the wrong sort of changes. > > You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL > to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work > round. > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing > stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play > engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the > site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as > you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, > and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so > plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this > else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be there really. > > We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a tentative > deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really > need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places > before the summer -- so those who want to build materials for next > year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as > far as I'd want to wait I think. > > What do others think? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > True, and happy to shut up > > But I first raised this in November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're > due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here > with two things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked > through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I > have worked through it with Pat to get the site template > working. Now we want to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's > sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of > beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we > have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase > of work done, and then address it later when we have a new > cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point > in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet > (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone > wants to use (html5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be > defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or > require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain > that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, > skills or inclination to do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed > code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash > likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should > continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new > html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping > it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with > changes like this or the new defaults being > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links > aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version > of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals > have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the > community, with their learners, with colleagues and this > includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly > that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we > shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything through the same > page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent > worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have > many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to > deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to > your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the > main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and > just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a > few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 10 22:39:33 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:39:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5165856D.5050000@tor.nl> Message-ID: <7c0e022c334d026b2b432c6e3dce9bc633c93a0c@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL_return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas [1]?exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :)? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need? to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle ? Mangle away? this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: ? The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) ? Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? ? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, ? Julian ? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [2] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [3]] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 10 April 2013 12:13 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess ? I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. ? I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. ? You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. ? I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [4] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn?t be there really. ? We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. ? What do others think? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [6] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [7]] ON BEHALF OF xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [8] SENT: 10 April 2013 11:19 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess ? True, and happy to shut up ? But I first raised this in November -?http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html [9]?- but it didn't go anywhere ? ----- Original Message ----- FROM: "For Xerte technical developers" ? TO: "For Xerte technical developers" CC: ? SENT: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [12] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [13]] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [14] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [15]] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [16] Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [18] http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev [19] This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 11 10:38:03 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:38:03 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <7c0e022c334d026b2b432c6e3dce9bc633c93a0c@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <7c0e022c334d026b2b432c6e3dce9bc633c93a0c@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <5166847B.20206@tor.nl> Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > Hello, > > Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code > for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will > have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. > > I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on > properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the > projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the > process and give the preview and default setting options? > > This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is > (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab > > OR > > You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module > a URL_return function like what exists at present > > I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well > > Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the > .info file should you want too > > REMEMBER > > if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well > > Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair > for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > There are some subtle differences: > > Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you > need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form > is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only > xerte LO's would get that option. > > And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, > but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is > inquired to see which engine to use. > > I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces > nicely together. > > As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever > you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the > 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and > perhaps export_site.php should move to a folder modules/site and > be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. > > Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' > preview.php... and even peer.php > > Right Pat? > > I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. > Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. > > If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how > this works. > > Tom > > > Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Mangle away... this obviously has links to the properties > panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the > week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought > we'd got to: > > The user would select the delivery option from the properties > panel; > > Different URLs would provide access to the content -- so the > flash / html URLs would actually be available > > Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion > > The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in > the various feeds etc > > Principle: existing links continue to work > > Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as > it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way > > We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm > going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise > M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) > > Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only > have to do the work once... > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] *On Behalf Of > *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a > stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it > to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time > in changing stuff. > > I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it > up with the wrong sort of changes. > > You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect > the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - > albeit as a work round. > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the > existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build a > new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff > much better? When I put the site template in it was > obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to > add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having > to modify other files in the root folder is also not so > plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) > do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be > there really. > > We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a tentative > deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we > really need to get this out there so that it can be > installed in places before the summer -- so those who want > to build materials for next year can use it over the > summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want > to wait I think. > > What do others think? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > True, and happy to shut up > > But I first raised this in November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental right > before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree > of frustration here with two things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has > worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links > working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get > the site template working. Now we want to do it > differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, > that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended > as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than > anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go with > what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, > and get this phase of work done, and then address it > later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate > the issues, but there is no point in getting hung > about functionality that no one is using yet > (modularity), at the expense of functionality that > everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On > Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to > be defaults for any new solution mustn't break > existing links or require people to duplicate or > re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The > vast majority will not have the time, skills or > inclination to do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the > embed code links should continue to play existing LO's > via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 > should continue to work even if that's no longer the > default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to html5 and > keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a > problem with changes like this or the new defaults > being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as > existing links aren't broken. But what would be the > Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and > individuals have shared many links to LO's they have > made public with the community, with their learners, > with colleagues and this includes sharing of the > play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've > had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't > break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On > Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything through > the same page, with parameters Its the only way you > can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the > line where we have many deployed play urls which have > to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and > then people can rewrite that page to your main > play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the > main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 > and just call it html - what happens if they release > html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely > for the addressee and may contain confidential > information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately > delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the > author of this email do not necessarily reflect the > views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the > contents of an attachment may still contain software > viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may > be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish > charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening > Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald > Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support > for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as > a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 11 10:51:42 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:51:42 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5166847B.20206@tor.nl> References: <7c0e022c334d026b2b432c6e3dce9bc633c93a0c@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <5166847B.20206@tor.nl> Message-ID: <516687AE.4060209@tor.nl> As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and > preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > > Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > > It's about 2.2Mb > > > > Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: >> Hello, >> >> Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again >> >> The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same >> code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules >> will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. >> >> I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on >> properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the >> projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the >> process and give the preview and default setting options? >> >> This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is >> (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab >> >> OR >> >> You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module >> a URL_return function like what exists at present >> >> I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed >> >> https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well >> >> Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the >> .info file should you want too >> >> REMEMBER >> >> if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well >> >> Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's >> fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) >> >> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> >> To: >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> Cc: >> >> Sent: >> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 >> Subject: >> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> There are some subtle differences: >> >> Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but >> you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the >> form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... >> only xerte LO's would get that option. >> >> And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, >> but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB >> is inquired to see which engine to use. >> >> I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces >> nicely together. >> >> As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or >> whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails >> table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, >> preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a >> folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and >> perhaps export.php. >> >> Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' >> preview.php... and even peer.php >> >> Right Pat? >> >> I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. >> Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. >> >> If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how >> this works. >> >> Tom >> >> >> Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle >> >> Mangle away... this obviously has links to the properties >> panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the >> week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought >> we'd got to: >> >> The user would select the delivery option from the properties >> panel; >> >> Different URLs would provide access to the content -- so the >> flash / html URLs would actually be available >> >> Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion >> >> The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in >> the various feeds etc >> >> Principle: existing links continue to work >> >> Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as >> it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way >> >> We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm >> going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise >> M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) >> >> Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only >> have to do the work once... >> >> Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, >> >> Julian >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] *On Behalf >> Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a >> stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it >> to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's >> time in changing stuff. >> >> I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it >> up with the wrong sort of changes. >> >> You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to >> redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be >> maintained - albeit as a work round. >> >> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney >> > > wrote: >> >> Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the >> existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build >> a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff >> much better? When I put the site template in it was >> obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to >> add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having >> to modify other files in the root folder is also not so >> plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) >> do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be >> there really. >> >> We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a >> tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more >> weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that >> it can be installed in places before the summer -- so >> those who want to build materials for next year can use >> it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far >> as I'd want to wait I think. >> >> What do others think? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >> Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >> >> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> True, and happy to shut up >> >> But I first raised this in November - >> http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html >> - >> but it didn't go anywhere >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> > > >> >> *To:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> > > >> >> *Cc:* >> >> *Sent:* >> >> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 >> >> *Subject:* >> >> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> Always we seem to hit something fundamental right >> before we're due to finish the work. There is a >> degree of frustration here with two things: >> >> - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has >> worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 >> links working, and I have worked through it with Pat >> to get the site template working. Now we want to do >> it differently? >> - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, >> that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended >> as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than >> anything else. >> >> At this stage of things, I think we should go with >> what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, >> and get this phase of work done, and then address it >> later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate >> the issues, but there is no point in getting hung >> about functionality that no one is using yet >> (modularity), at the expense of functionality that >> everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On >> Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> For me the basic principal must be whatever we want >> to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break >> existing links or require people to duplicate or >> re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The >> vast majority will not have the time, skills or >> inclination to do that. So... >> >> /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the >> embed code links should continue to play existing >> LO's via Flash likewise >> /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 >> should continue to work even if that's no longer the >> default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. >> >> I can see the point about not referring to html5 and >> keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see >> a problem with changes like this or the new defaults >> being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as >> existing links aren't broken. But what would be the >> Apache/htaccess version of that? >> >> Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and >> individuals have shared many links to LO's they have >> made public with the community, with their learners, >> with colleagues and this includes sharing of the >> play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what >> we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we >> shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On >> Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Howdy >> >> I personally think you need to run everything through >> the same page, with parameters Its the only way you >> can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down >> the line where we have many deployed play urls which >> have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 >> and then people can rewrite that page to your main >> play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the >> main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. >> >> Begs the question - should we drop references to >> html5 and just call it html - what happens if they >> release html6 in a few years? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" > > wrote: >> >> >> Could we use the following URL structure? >> >> Can the play URL be >> >> Play.php?template_id=560 >> And >> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML >> >> And not playhtml.php? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely >> for the addressee and may contain confidential >> information. If you have received this message in >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately >> delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >> information contained in this message or in any >> attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the >> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the >> views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the >> contents of an attachment may still contain software >> viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email >> communications with the University of Nottingham may >> be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered >> Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening >> Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald >> Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support >> for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as >> a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 11 11:08:10 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:08:10 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <516687AE.4060209@tor.nl> References: <7c0e022c334d026b2b432c6e3dce9bc633c93a0c@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <5166847B.20206@tor.nl> <516687AE.4060209@tor.nl> Message-ID: <51668B8A.4030905@tor.nl> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and >> preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> - Changed basic.sql >> - updates upgrade.php >> >> Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet >> >> Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) >> >> It's about 2.2Mb >> >> >> >> Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again >>> >>> The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same >>> code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules >>> will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. >>> >>> I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on >>> properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the >>> projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the >>> process and give the preview and default setting options? >>> >>> This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as >>> is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove >>> the tab >>> >>> OR >>> >>> You could modularise part of the properties page and give each >>> module a URL_return function like what exists at present >>> >>> I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed >>> >>> https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well >>> >>> Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the >>> .info file should you want too >>> >>> REMEMBER >>> >>> if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well >>> >>> Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's >>> fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >>> To: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> Cc: >>> >>> Sent: >>> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 >>> Subject: >>> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> >>> There are some subtle differences: >>> >>> Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but >>> you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the >>> form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... >>> only xerte LO's would get that option. >>> >>> And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, >>> but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB >>> is inquired to see which engine to use. >>> >>> I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces >>> nicely together. >>> >>> As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or >>> whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails >>> table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, >>> preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a >>> folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and >>> perhaps export.php. >>> >>> Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' >>> preview.php... and even peer.php >>> >>> Right Pat? >>> >>> I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can >>> test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather >>> straightforward. >>> >>> If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how >>> this works. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> >>> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle >>> >>> Mangle away... this obviously has links to the properties >>> panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the >>> week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought >>> we'd got to: >>> >>> The user would select the delivery option from the >>> properties panel; >>> >>> Different URLs would provide access to the content -- so the >>> flash / html URLs would actually be available >>> >>> Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion >>> >>> The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in >>> the various feeds etc >>> >>> Principle: existing links continue to work >>> >>> Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as >>> it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way >>> >>> We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm >>> going to have to rename for political reasons here, >>> otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) >>> >>> Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only >>> have to do the work once... >>> >>> Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] *On Behalf >>> Of *Pat @ Pgogy >>> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like >>> a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added >>> it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's >>> time in changing stuff. >>> >>> I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it >>> up with the wrong sort of changes. >>> >>> You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to >>> redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be >>> maintained - albeit as a work round. >>> >>> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> >>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the >>> existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build >>> a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff >>> much better? When I put the site template in it was >>> obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having >>> to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and >>> having to modify other files in the root folder is also >>> not so plug and play: there is specific (if >>> (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in >>> there, which shouldn't be there really. >>> >>> We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a >>> tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more >>> weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that >>> it can be installed in places before the summer -- so >>> those who want to build materials for next year can use >>> it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far >>> as I'd want to wait I think. >>> >>> What do others think? >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >>> Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>> >>> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> True, and happy to shut up >>> >>> But I first raised this in November - >>> http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html >>> - >>> but it didn't go anywhere >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* >>> >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >> > >>> >>> *To:* >>> >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >> > >>> >>> *Cc:* >>> >>> *Sent:* >>> >>> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 >>> >>> *Subject:* >>> >>> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> >>> Always we seem to hit something fundamental right >>> before we're due to finish the work. There is a >>> degree of frustration here with two things: >>> >>> - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has >>> worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 >>> links working, and I have worked through it with Pat >>> to get the site template working. Now we want to do >>> it differently? >>> - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, >>> that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always >>> intended as a way of beta testing the templates, >>> rather than anything else. >>> >>> At this stage of things, I think we should go with >>> what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, >>> and get this phase of work done, and then address it >>> later when we have a new cycle underway. I >>> appreciate the issues, but there is no point in >>> getting hung about functionality that no one is >>> using yet (modularity), at the expense of >>> functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 >>> delivery). >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On >>> Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>> Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> For me the basic principal must be whatever we want >>> to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break >>> existing links or require people to duplicate or >>> re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. >>> The vast majority will not have the time, skills or >>> inclination to do that. So... >>> >>> /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including >>> the embed code links should continue to play >>> existing LO's via Flash likewise >>> /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 >>> should continue to work even if that's no longer the >>> default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. >>> >>> I can see the point about not referring to html5 and >>> keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see >>> a problem with changes like this or the new defaults >>> being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long >>> as existing links aren't broken. But what would be >>> the Apache/htaccess version of that? >>> >>> Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and >>> individuals have shared many links to LO's they have >>> made public with the community, with their learners, >>> with colleagues and this includes sharing of the >>> play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what >>> we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we >>> shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. >>> >>> HTH >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On >>> Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> Howdy >>> >>> I personally think you need to run everything >>> through the same page, with parameters Its the only >>> way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 >>> months down the line where we have many deployed >>> play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to >>> deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite >>> that page to your main play.php page with >>> method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file >>> as play_html5 if they must. >>> >>> Begs the question - should we drop references to >>> html5 and just call it html - what happens if they >>> release html6 in a few years? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> "Pat @ Pgogy" >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Could we use the following URL structure? >>> >>> Can the play URL be >>> >>> Play.php?template_id=560 >>> And >>> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML >>> >>> And not playhtml.php? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely >>> for the addressee and may contain confidential >>> information. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 11 12:22:06 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:22:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51668B8A.4030905@tor.nl> References: <7c0e022c334d026b2b432c6e3dce9bc633c93a0c@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <5166847B.20206@tor.nl> <516687AE.4060209@tor.nl> <51668B8A.4030905@tor.nl> Message-ID: <03b801ce36a6$ce2e60a0$6a8b21e0$@co.uk> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL_return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away. this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do the work once. Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (html5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 11 12:29:12 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:29:12 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <03b801ce36a6$ce2e60a0$6a8b21e0$@co.uk> References: <03b801ce36a6$ce2e60a0$6a8b21e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <822f2f8b-78af-4ea4-a69e-68cd951e78b7@email.android.com> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: >Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like >Fay's update. > > > >Ron > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > >Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > >As an addition: > >Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > >Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > >Some is true for preview. > >You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when >Ctlr+Play is >pressed) > >I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback >;-) > >Tom > > > >Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > >Almost finished. > >I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > >- Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >- Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >- Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and >preview >- Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >- Move site to its own module dir >- Changed basic.sql >- updates upgrade.php > >Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > >Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > >It's about 2.2Mb > > > > >Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > >Hello, > > > >Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > > >The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code >for >each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have >more >than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. > > > >I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on >properties >which is HTML access - because in theory some of the projects are to >become >HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview >and >default setting options? > > > >This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is >(for >now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab > > > >OR > > > >You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a >URL_return function like what exists at present > > > >I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > > >https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well > > > >Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the >.info >file should you want too > > > >REMEMBER > > > >if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well > > > >Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair >for >you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) > > >Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > >Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > > > >To: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > >Cc: > > > >Sent: > >Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > >Subject: > >[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > >There are some subtle differences: > >Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need > to >realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated >from >the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that >option. > >And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the >way >the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see >which >engine to use. > >I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely >together. > >As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you >want >to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' >column, >and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php >should >move to a folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and >perhaps export.php. > >Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... >and >even peer.php > >Right Pat? > >I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once >you >understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. > >If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this >works. > >Tom > > > >Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > >I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > > >Mangle away. this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs >for >each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the >discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: > > > >The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; > >Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / >html >URLs would actually be available > >Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion > >The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various >feeds etc > >Principle: existing links continue to work > >Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not >only >Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way > >We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to >have to >rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning >Module?) > > > >Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do >the >work once. > > > >Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > > >Julian > > > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk > ] On Behalf Of Pat @ >Pgogy >Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck >record) >as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I >didn't >want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. > > > >I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with >the >wrong sort of changes. > > > >You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL >to >another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work >round. > > > >I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > >Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > >Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > >On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > >wrote: > >Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff >in >place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that >handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in >it >was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new >files >to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the >root >folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if >(thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which >shouldn't be >there really. > > > >We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I >don't >mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there >so >that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who >want to >build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of >May >would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think. > > > >What do others think? > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >True, and happy to shut up > > > >But I first raised this in November - >http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html >> - but it didn't go anywhere > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > >To: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > >Cc: > > > >Sent: > >Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > >Subject: > >[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > >Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to >finish >the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: > >- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it >once >with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it >with >Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? >- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes >life. >Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, >rather than anything else. > >At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and >Tom's >database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then >address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the >issues, >but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one >is >using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone >wants >to use (html5 delivery). > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >Mitchell >Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > >For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for >any >new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to >duplicate or >re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority >will not >have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... > >/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links >should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise >/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to >work >even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > >I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more >future >proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the >new >defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing >links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of >that? > >Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have >shared >many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their >learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 >links. >Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so >obviously >we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > >HTH >Ron > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >John >Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > >Howdy > >I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, >with >parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 >months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have >to be >maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite >that >page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the >main >play.php file as play_html5 if they must. > >Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it >html >- what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > >Regards > >John Smith >Learning Technologist >School of Health and Life Sciences > >Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > >"Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > >Could we use the following URL structure? > >Can the play URL be > >Play.php?template_id=560 >And >Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > >And not playhtml.php? > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and >may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL_return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away? this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 11 14:08:44 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:08:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC905@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03b801ce36a6$ce2e60a0$6a8b21e0$@co.uk> <822f2f8b-78af-4ea4-a69e-68cd951e78b7@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FC905@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL_return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away? this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? Can the play URL be Play.php?template_id=560 And Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML And not playhtml.php? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not neces sarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 11 14:32:30 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:32:30 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> Message-ID: <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: >Cheers got it! > > > >I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working >for me... > > > >1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > >2. Exported patched version > >3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > >I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default >engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > >But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > >When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > >and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to >create new template > > > >I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > >HTH > >Ron > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I?ve just sent it on? > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > >Ron Mitchell schreef: > >Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like >Fay's update. > > > >Ron > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > >Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > >As an addition: > >Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > >Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > >Some is true for preview. > >You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when >Ctlr+Play is pressed) > >I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback >;-) > >Tom > > > >Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > >Almost finished. > >I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > >- Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >- Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >- Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and >preview >- Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >- Move site to its own module dir >- Changed basic.sql >- updates upgrade.php > >Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > >Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > >It's about 2.2Mb > >Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > >Hello, > > > >Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > > >The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code >for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will >have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. > > > >I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on >properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the >projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the >process and give the preview and default setting options? > > > >This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is >(for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab > > > >OR > > > >You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a >URL_return function like what exists at present > > > >I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > > >https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well > > > >Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the >.info file should you want too > > > >REMEMBER > > > >if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well > > > >Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair >for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) > > >Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > >Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > > > >To: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > >Cc: > > > >Sent: > >Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > >Subject: > >[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > >There are some subtle differences: > >Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need >to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated >from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get >that option. > >And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the >way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to >see which engine to use. > >I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely >together. > >As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you >want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the >'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps >export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called >play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. > >Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... >and even peer.php > >Right Pat? > >I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once >you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. > >If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this >works. > >Tom > >Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > >I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > > >Mangle away? this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs >for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the >discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: > > > >The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; > >Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / >html URLs would actually be available > >Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion > >The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various >feeds etc > >Principle: existing links continue to work > >Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not >only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way > >We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to >have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. >Learning Module?) > > > >Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do >the work once? > > > >Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > > >Julian > > > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk > ] On Behalf Of Pat @ >Pgogy >Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck >record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. >So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. > > > >I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with >the wrong sort of changes. > > > >You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL >to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work >round. > > > >I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > >Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > >Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > >On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > wrote: > >Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff >in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine >that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site >template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say >having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to >modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: >there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code >in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. > > > >We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I >don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out >there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so >those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the >summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I >think. > > > >What do others think? > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >True, and happy to shut up > > > >But I first raised this in November - >http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > > - but it didn't go anywhere > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > >To: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > >Cc: > > > >Sent: > >Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > >Subject: > >[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > >Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to >finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: > >- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it >once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through >it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it >differently? >- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes >life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the >templates, rather than anything else. > >At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and >Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and >then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate >the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality >that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality >that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >Mitchell >Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > >For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for >any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to >duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast >majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. >So... > >/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links >should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise >/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to >work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > >I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more >future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this >or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long >as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess >version of that? > >Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have >shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, >with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the >play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the >1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can >possibly avoid it. > >HTH >Ron > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >John >Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > >Howdy > >I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, >with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the >situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls >which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then >people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with >method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if >they must. > >Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it >html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > >Regards > >John Smith >Learning Technologist >School of Health and Life Sciences > >Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > >"Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > >Could we use the following URL structure? > >Can the play URL be > >Play.php?template_id=560 >And >Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > >And not playhtml.php? > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. 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If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away? this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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Ron Mitchell schreef: >Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > >If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in >the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >Strange. > >Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called >extra_flags. > > > >Ron Mitchell schreef: > >Cheers got it! > > > >I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working >for me... > > > >1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > >2. Exported patched version > >3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > >I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default >engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > >But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > >When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > >and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to >create new template > > > >I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > >HTH > >Ron > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I?ve just sent it on? > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > >Ron Mitchell schreef: > >Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like >Fay's update. > > > >Ron > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > >Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > >As an addition: > >Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > >Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > >Some is true for preview. > >You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when >Ctlr+Play is pressed) > >I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback >;-) > >Tom > > > >Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > >Almost finished. > >I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > >- Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >- Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >- Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and >preview >- Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >- Move site to its own module dir >- Changed basic.sql >- updates upgrade.php > >Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > >Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > >It's about 2.2Mb > >Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > >Hello, > > > >Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > > >The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code >for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will >have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. > > > >I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on >properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the >projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the >process and give the preview and default setting options? > > > >This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is >(for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab > > > >OR > > > >You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a >URL _return function like what exists at present > > > >I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > > >https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well > > > >Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the >.info file should you want too > > > >REMEMBER > > > >if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well > > > >Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair >for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) > > >Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > >Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > > > >To: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > >Cc: > > > >Sent: > >Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > >Subject: > >[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > >There are some subtle differences: > >Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need >to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated >from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get >that option. > >And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the >way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to >see which engine to use. > >I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely >together. > >As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you >want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the >'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps >export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called >play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. > >Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... >and even peer.php > >Right Pat? > >I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once >you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. > >If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this >works. > >Tom > >Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > >I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > > >Mangle away? this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs >for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the >discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: > > > >The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; > >Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / >html URLs would actually be available > >Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion > >The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various >feeds etc > >Principle: existing links continue to work > >Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not >only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way > >We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to >have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. >Learning Module?) > > > >Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do >the work once? > > > >Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > > >Julian > > > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk > ] On Behalf Of Pat @ >Pgogy >Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck >record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. >So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. > > > >I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with >the wrong sort of changes. > > > >You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL >to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work >round. > > > >I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > >Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > >Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > >On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > wrote: > >Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff >in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine >that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site >template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say >having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to >modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: >there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code >in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. > > > >We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I >don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out >there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so >those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the >summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I >think. > > > >What do others think? > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > >True, and happy to shut up > > > >But I first raised this in November - >http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > > - but it didn't go anywhere > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > > > >To: > >"For Xerte technical developers" > >Cc: > > > >Sent: > >Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > >Subject: > >[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > >Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to >finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: > >- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it >once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through >it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it >differently? >- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes >life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the >templates, rather than anything else. > >At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and >Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and >then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate >the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality >that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality >that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >Mitchell >Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > >For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for >any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to >duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast >majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. >So... > >/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links >should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise >/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to >work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > >I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more >future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this >or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long >as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess >version of that? > >Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have >shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, >with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the >play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the >1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can >possibly avoid it. > >HTH >Ron > >-----Original Message----- >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >John >Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > >Howdy > >I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, >with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the >situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls >which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then >people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with >method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if >they must. > >Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it >html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > >Regards > >John Smith >Learning Technologist >School of Health and Life Sciences > >Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > >"Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > >Could we use the following URL structure? > >Can the play URL be > >Play.php?template_id=560 >And >Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > >And not playhtml.php? > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 11 14:56:58 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:56:58 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> Message-ID: <043101ce36bc$710fde60$532f9b20$@co.uk> added that field manually e.g. extra_flags` varchar(45) DEFAULT NULL, but still can't change engine tick box play via edit or properties plays Flash even with Javascript ticked HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 11 April 2013 14:43 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away? this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 11 15:19:29 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:19:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <043101ce36bc$710fde60$532f9b20$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <043101ce36bc$710fde60$532f9b20$@co.uk> Message-ID: Try adding the string to the database manually? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 14:56, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > added that field manually e.g. extra_flags` varchar(45) DEFAULT NULL, > but still can't change engine tick box > play via edit or properties plays Flash even with Javascript ticked > HTH > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:43 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Cheers got it! > > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... > > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > 2. Exported patched version > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template > > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > HTH > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I?ve just sent it on? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > > Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > > It's about 2.2Mb > > Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > Hello, > > > Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > > The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. > > > I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? > > > This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab > > > OR > > > You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present > > > I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > > https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well > > > Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too > > > REMEMBER > > > if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well > > > Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > > Sent: > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > There are some subtle differences: > > Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. > > And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. > > I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. > > As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. > > Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php > > Right Pat? > > I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. > > If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. > > Tom > > Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > > Mangle away? this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here?s where I thought we?d got to: > > > The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; > Different URLs would provide access to the content ? so the flash / html URLs would actually be available > Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion > The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc > Principle: existing links continue to work > Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it?s not only Ron who is already putting content ?live? this way > > We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I?m going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) > > > Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we?ll only have to do the work once? > > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > > Julian > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. > > > I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. > > > You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. > > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don?t break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn?t be there really. > > We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don?t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer ? so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I?d want to wait I think. > > What do others think? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > True, and happy to shut up > > But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 > Subject: > [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 11 21:52:32 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:52:32 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> Message-ID: <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in > the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working > for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default > engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed > to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks > like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will > show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some > feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > > Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > > It's about 2.2Mb > > Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > schreef: > > Hello, > > Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > The properties page is at present not modular - as it is > the same code for each module. At present only Xerte > Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence > it needs some "Module" work. > > I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new > tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in > theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. > This tab could explain the process and give the preview > and default setting options? > > This way the main properties tab with the links in could > remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated > then we could remove the tab > > OR > > You could modularise part of the properties page and give > each module a URL _return function like what exists at present > > I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as > well > > Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it > on in the .info file should you want too > > REMEMBER > > if you add a new module you need to add the new language > files as well > > Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't > feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've > moaned about this :) > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > There are some subtle differences: > > Yes, the user could delivery options in the property > page, but you need to realise that the proerty page > is also modular, the form is generated from the > modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's > would get that option. > > And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be > different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the > module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine > to use. > > I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is > pieces nicely together. > > As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' > (or whetever you want to call it) in the > originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' > column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and > perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older > modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and > perhaps export.php. > > Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and > 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php > > Right Pat? > > I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so > you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it > is rather straightforward. > > If we're committing this, I'll will also write an > article of how this works. > > Tom > > Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Mangle away... this obviously has links to the > propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we > discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the > discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: > > The user would select the delivery option from the > properties panel; > > Different URLs would provide access to the content > -- so the flash / html URLs would actually be > available > > Principle: authors test and check rather than > auto-conversion > > The setting in the properties panel would drive > the URLs in the various feeds etc > > Principle: existing links continue to work > > Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page > in place as it's not only Ron who is already > putting content 'live' this way > > We need to accommodate the site template as well > (which I'm going to have to rename for political > reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning > Module?) > > Is there anything else? If we have a good list, > we'll only have to do the work once... > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk > ] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to > sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd > agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I > didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in > changing stuff. > > I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want > to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. > > You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php > to redirect the URL to another link, thus old > links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > *On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > > wrote:* > > *Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. > leave the existing stuff in place so things > don't break, but build a new modular play > engine that handles the modular stuff much > better? When I put the site template in it was > obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you > say having to add new files to the root folder > is bad news, and having to modify other files > in the root folder is also not so plug and > play: there is specific (if > (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) > code in ther e, which shouldn't be there really.* > > ** > > *We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th > April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind > waiting a few more weeks, but we really need > to get this out there so that it can be > installed in places before the summer -- so > those who want to build materials for next > year can use it over the summer. The end of > May would be about as far as I'd want to wait > I think.* > > ** > > *What do others think?* > > ** > > *From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess* > > ** > > *True, and happy to shut up* > > ** > > *But I first raised this in November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere* > > ** > > *----- Original Message -----* > > *From:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > ** > > *To:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > *Cc:* > > ** > > *Sent:* > > *Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100* > > *Subject:* > > *[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental > right before we're due to finish the work. > There is a degree of frustration here with two > things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: > Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get > the html5 links working, and I have worked > through it with Pat to get the site template > working. Now we want to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, > well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was > always intended as a way of beta testing the > templates, rather than anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go > with what we have, and Tom's database solution > solution, and get this phase of work done, and > then address it later when we have a new cycle > underway. I appreciate the issues, but there > is no point in getting hung about > functionality that no one is using yet > (modularity), at the expense of functionality > that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we > want to be defaults for any new solution > mustn't break existing links or require people > to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain > that compatibility. The vast majority will not > have the time, skills or inclination to do > that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 > including the embed code links should continue > to play existing LO's via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and > /play_html5_123 should continue to work even > if that's no longer the default for new html > 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to > html5 and keeping it more future proofed and > again I can't see a problem with changes like > this or the new defaults being > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long > as existing links aren't broken. But what > would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations > and individuals have shared many links to LO's > they have made public with the community, with > their learners, with colleagues and this > includes sharing of the play_html5 links. > Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since > the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't > break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything > through the same page, with parameters Its the > only way you can prevent worsening the > situation 12 months down the line where we > have many deployed play urls which have to be > maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and > then people can rewrite that page to your main > play.php page with method=html or even > duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 > if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references > to html5 and just call it html - what happens > if they release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended > solely for the addressee and may contain > confidential information. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 11 23:28:24 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> Message-ID: <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. >> >> >> Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Cheers got it! >> >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... >> >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >> 2. Exported patched version >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >> >> >> I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >> When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow >> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template >> >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? >> >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> I?ve just sent it on? >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >> >> >> Ron >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> - Changed basic.sql >> - updates upgrade.php >> >> Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet >> >> Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) >> >> It's about 2.2Mb >> >> Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: >> Hello, >> >> >> Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again >> >> >> The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. >> >> >> I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? >> >> >> This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 07:32:48 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:32:48 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> >>> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >>> >>> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in >>> the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >>> Reijnders >>> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> Strange. >>> >>> Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called >>> extra_flags. >>> >>> Ron Mitchell >> > schreef: >>> >>> Cheers got it! >>> >>> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working >>> for me... >>> >>> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >>> >>> 2. Exported patched version >>> >>> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >>> >>> I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the >>> default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. >>> HTML5) ticked >>> >>> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >>> >>> When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow >>> >>> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed >>> to create new template >>> >>> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >>> *Julian Tenney >>> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> I've just sent it on... >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >>> Reijnders >>> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >>> >>> Ron Mitchell >> > schreef: >>> >>> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks >>> like Fay's update. >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >>> Reijnders >>> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >>> >>> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>> >>> As an addition: >>> >>> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will >>> show : >>> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >>> 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php >>> >>> Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >>> play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. >>> >>> Some is true for preview. >>> >>> You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when >>> Ctlr+Play is pressed) >>> >>> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some >>> feedback ;-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>> >>> Almost finished. >>> >>> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page >>> >>> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >>> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >>> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the >>> play and preview >>> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >>> - Move site to its own module dir >>> - Changed basic.sql >>> - updates upgrade.php >>> >>> Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet >>> >>> Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) >>> >>> It's about 2.2Mb >>> >>> Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>> schreef: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... >>> again >>> >>> The properties page is at present not modular - as it is >>> the same code for each module. At present only Xerte >>> Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, >>> hence it needs some "Module" work. >>> >>> I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new >>> tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in >>> theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 >>> projects. 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Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in > the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working > for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default > engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed > to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks > like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will > show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some > feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > > Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > > It's about 2.2Mb > > Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > schreef: > > Hello, > > Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again > > The properties page is at present not modular - as it is > the same code for each module. At present only Xerte > Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence > it needs some "Module" work. > > I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new > tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in > theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. > This tab could explain the process and give the preview > and default setting options? > > This way the main properties tab with the links in could > remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated > then we could remove the tab > > OR > > You could modularise part of the properties page and give > each module a URL _return function like what exists at present > > I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as > well > > Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it > on in the .info file should you want too > > REMEMBER > > if you add a new module you need to add the new language > files as well > > Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't > feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've > moaned about this :) > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > There are some subtle differences: > > Yes, the user could delivery options in the property > page, but you need to realise that the proerty page > is also modular, the form is generated from the > modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's > would get that option. > > And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be > different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the > module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine > to use. > > I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is > pieces nicely together. > > As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' > (or whetever you want to call it) in the > originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' > column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and > perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older > modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and > perhaps export.php. > > Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and > 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php > > Right Pat? > > I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so > you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it > is rather straightforward. > > If we're committing this, I'll will also write an > article of how this works. > > Tom > > Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Mangle away... this obviously has links to the > propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we > discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the > discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: > > The user would select the delivery option from the > properties panel; > > Different URLs would provide access to the content > -- so the flash / html URLs would actually be > available > > Principle: authors test and check rather than > auto-conversion > > The setting in the properties panel would drive > the URLs in the various feeds etc > > Principle: existing links continue to work > > Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page > in place as it's not only Ron who is already > putting content 'live' this way > > We need to accommodate the site template as well > (which I'm going to have to rename for political > reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning > Module?) > > Is there anything else? If we have a good list, > we'll only have to do the work once... > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk > ] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to > sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd > agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I > didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in > changing stuff. > > I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want > to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. > > You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php > to redirect the URL to another link, thus old > links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > *On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > > wrote:* > > *Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. > leave the existing stuff in place so things > don't break, but build a new modular play > engine that handles the modular stuff much > better? When I put the site template in it was > obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you > say having to add new files to the root folder > is bad news, and having to modify other files > in the root folder is also not so plug and > play: there is specific (if > (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) > code in ther e, which shouldn't be there really.* > > ** > > *We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th > April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind > waiting a few more weeks, but we really need > to get this out there so that it can be > installed in places before the summer -- so > those who want to build materials for next > year can use it over the summer. The end of > May would be about as far as I'd want to wait > I think.* > > ** > > *What do others think?* > > ** > > *From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess* > > ** > > *True, and happy to shut up* > > ** > > *But I first raised this in November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere* > > ** > > *----- Original Message -----* > > *From:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > ** > > *To:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > *Cc:* > > ** > > *Sent:* > > *Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100* > > *Subject:* > > *[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something fundamental > right before we're due to finish the work. > There is a degree of frustration here with two > things: > > - we have already worked through this twice: > Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get > the html5 links working, and I have worked > through it with Pat to get the site template > working. Now we want to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it changes, > well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was > always intended as a way of beta testing the > templates, rather than anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should go > with what we have, and Tom's database solution > solution, and get this phase of work done, and > then address it later when we have a new cycle > underway. I appreciate the issues, but there > is no point in getting hung about > functionality that no one is using yet > (modularity), at the expense of functionality > that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be whatever we > want to be defaults for any new solution > mustn't break existing links or require people > to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain > that compatibility. The vast majority will not > have the time, skills or inclination to do > that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 > including the embed code links should continue > to play existing LO's via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and > /play_html5_123 should continue to work even > if that's no longer the default for new html > 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to > html5 and keeping it more future proofed and > again I can't see a problem with changes like > this or the new defaults being > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long > as existing links aren't broken. But what > would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations > and individuals have shared many links to LO's > they have made public with the community, with > their learners, with colleagues and this > includes sharing of the play_html5 links. > Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since > the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't > break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run everything > through the same page, with parameters Its the > only way you can prevent worsening the > situation 12 months down the line where we > have many deployed play urls which have to be > maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and > then people can rewrite that page to your main > play.php page with method=html or even > duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 > if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop references > to html5 and just call it html - what happens > if they release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended > solely for the addressee and may contain > confidential information. 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I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email received to file system Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then Patch all items Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no idea why it didn't previously following exact same process TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder Copy that code over existing working localhost install Visit upgrade.php This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash for existing projects Existing projects play via Flash but... I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get failed to create template If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it plays via html5 HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 07:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size. Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away. this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do the work once. Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn't be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 09:19:46 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:19:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <002101ce3755$800fccb0$802f6610$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <5167AACF.1070505@tor.nl> <002101ce3755$800fccb0$802f6610$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I haven't tried yet, but might get some time later, otherwise, next week, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 12 April 2013 09:13 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The patch I got from Julian is 2,327 but progress of sorts... Has anyone else got this working? I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email received to file system Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then Patch all items Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no idea why it didn't previously following exact same process TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder Copy that code over existing working localhost install Visit upgrade.php This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash for existing projects Existing projects play via Flash but... I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get failed to create template If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it plays via html5 HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 07:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size. Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away... this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do the work once... Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn't be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 09:22:22 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:22:22 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <002101ce3755$800fccb0$802f6610$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <5167AACF.1070505@tor.nl> <002101ce3755$800fccb0$802f6610$@co.uk> Message-ID: <5167C43E.7040507@tor.nl> Progress indeed, So... playing works if you manage to get the right entry in the db? Please check whether 1. play.php?template_id=## works as expected, i.e. with the flasg in the db 2. play.php?template_id=##&engine=flash always plays in flash regardless of db entry 3. play.php?template_id=##&engine=javascript always plays in html5/javascript regardless of db entry 4. preview.php?template_id=##&engine=other plays in engine oposite that in the DB I'll send you the files involved in the property management, i.e. toggling the flags. Op 12-4-2013 10:12, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > The patch I got from Julian is 2,327 but progress of sorts... > > Has anyone else got this working? > > I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email received to > file system > > Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then Patch > all items > > Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no idea why it > didn't previously following exact same process > > TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder > > Copy that code over existing working localhost install > > Visit upgrade.php > > This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash for > existing projects > > Existing projects play via Flash but... > > I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks > > Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get failed to > create template > > If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it plays via html5 > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 07:34 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size. > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not > in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite > working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. > HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with > failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks > like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It > will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific > engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some > feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and > preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for > the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > > Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > > It's about 2.2Mb > > Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > schreef: > > Hello, > > Sorry for delay - travelling home from a > conference.... again > > The properties page is at present not modular - as it > is the same code for each module. At present only > Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one > URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. > > I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a > new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use > in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 > projects. This tab could explain the process and give > the preview and default setting options? > > This way the main properties tab with the links in > could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is > migrated then we could remove the tab > > OR > > You could modularise part of the properties page and > give each module a URL _return function like what > exists at present > > I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed > > https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as > well > > Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn > it on in the .info file should you want too > > REMEMBER > > if you add a new module you need to add the new > language files as well > > Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I > don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how > much I've moaned about this :) > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > There are some subtle differences: > > Yes, the user could delivery options in the > property page, but you need to realise that the > proerty page is also modular, the form is > generated from the modules/ php code. > So... only xerte LO's would get that option. > > And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT > be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in > the module play.php the DB is inquired to see > which engine to use. > > I think that I go ahead and show you how > everything is pieces nicely together. > > As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have > 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the > originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' > column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php > and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f > older modules/site and be called play.php, > preview.php and perhaps export.php. > > Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and > 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php > > Right Pat? > > I am working on it, and provide you with a patch > so you can test. Once you understand what is > reuired, it is rather straightforward. > > If we're committing this, I'll will also write an > article of how this works. > > Tom > > Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then > I'll mangle > > Mangle away... this obviously has links to the > propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as > we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise > the discussions, here's where I thought we'd > got to: > > The user would select the delivery option from > the properties panel; > > Different URLs would provide access to the > content -- so the flash / html URLs would > actually be available > > Principle: authors test and check rather than > auto-conversion > > The setting in the properties panel would > drive the URLs in the various feeds etc > > Principle: existing links continue to work > > Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php > page in place as it's not only Ron who is > already putting content 'live' this way > > We need to accommodate the site template as > well (which I'm going to have to rename for > political reasons here, otherwise M&C will > kill it. Learning Module?) > > Is there anything else? If we have a good > list, we'll only have to do the work once... > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry > to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't > think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road > map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's > time in changing stuff. > > I felt xenith was important and so I didn't > want to screw it up with the wrong sort of > changes. > > You could place a header redirect in > playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another > link, thus old links could be maintained - > albeit as a work round. > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then > I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > *On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney > > wrote:* > > *Is there any way we can do both things, > i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so > things don't break, but build a new > modular play engine that handles the > modular stuff much better? When I put the > site template in it was obvious that it > was a bit of a pain, as you say having to > add new files to the root folder is bad > news, and having to modify other files in > the root folder is also not so plug and > play: there is specific (if > (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) > code in ther e, which shouldn't be there > really.* > > ** > > *We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th > April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind > waiting a few more weeks, but we really > need to get this out there so that it can > be installed in places before the summer > -- so those who want to build materials > for next year can use it over the summer. > The end of May would be about as far as > I'd want to wait I think.* > > ** > > *What do others think?* > > ** > > *From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess* > > ** > > *True, and happy to shut up* > > ** > > *But I first raised this in November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere* > > ** > > *----- Original Message -----* > > *From:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > ** > > *To:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > *Cc:* > > ** > > *Sent:* > > *Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100* > > *Subject:* > > *[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something > fundamental right before we're due to > finish the work. There is a degree of > frustration here with two things: > > - we have already worked through this > twice: Fay has worked through it once with > Pat to get the html5 links working, and I > have worked through it with Pat to get the > site template working. Now we want to do > it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and it > changes, well, that's sometimes life. > Play_html5 was always intended as a way of > beta testing the templates, rather than > anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think we should > go with what we have, and Tom's database > solution solution, and get this phase of > work done, and then address it later when > we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate > the issues, but there is no point in > getting hung about functionality that no > one is using yet (modularity), at the > expense of functionality that everyone > wants to use (htm l5 delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be > whatever we want to be defaults for any > new solution mustn't break existing links > or require people to duplicate or re-write > any code to maintain that compatibility. > The vast majority will not have the time, > skills or inclination to do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 > including the embed code links should > continue to play existing LO's via Flash > likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and > /play_html5_123 should continue to work > even if that's no longer the default for > new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not referring to > html5 and keeping it more future proofed > and again I can't see a problem with > changes like this or the new defaults > being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > as long as existing links aren't broken. > But what would be the Apache/htaccess > version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other > organisations and individuals have shared > many links to LO's they have made public > with the community, with their learners, > with colleagues and this includes sharing > of the play_html5 links. Rightly or > wrongly that's what we've had since the > 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't > break those links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run > everything through the same page, with > parameters Its the only way you can > prevent worsening the situation 12 months > down the line where we have many deployed > play urls which have to be maintained.. > Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then > people can rewrite that page to your main > play.php page with method=html or even > duplicate the main play.php file as > play_html5 if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop > references to html5 and just call it html > - what happens if they release html6 in a > few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are > intended solely for the addressee and may > contain confidential information. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 09:40:23 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:40:23 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5167C43E.7040507@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <5167AACF.1070505@tor.nl> <002101ce3755$800fccb0$802f6610$@co.uk> <5167C43E.7040507@tor.nl> Message-ID: <5167C877.2090202@tor.nl> These are the files themselves, not the patch on svn. This is 800k thought I could post that without too many issues. The first try was prohibited by the mail server (it found SilverLight in the site template), so I had to password protect the zip. Password is 'sigh' Tom Op 12-4-2013 10:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Progress indeed, > > So... playing works if you manage to get the right entry in the db? > > Please check whether > 1. play.php?template_id=## > works as expected, i.e. with the flasg in the db > 2. play.php?template_id=##&engine=flash > always plays in flash regardless of db entry > 3. play.php?template_id=##&engine=javascript > always plays in html5/javascript regardless of db entry > > 4. preview.php?template_id=##&engine=other > plays in engine oposite that in the DB > > I'll send you the files involved in the property management, i.e. > toggling the flags. > > > Op 12-4-2013 10:12, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> The patch I got from Julian is 2,327 but progress of sorts... >> >> Has anyone else got this working? >> >> I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email received to >> file system >> >> Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then Patch >> all items >> >> Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no idea why >> it didn't previously following exact same process >> >> TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder >> >> Copy that code over existing working localhost install >> >> Visit upgrade.php >> >> This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash for >> existing projects >> >> Existing projects play via Flash but... >> >> I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks >> >> Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get failed to >> create template >> >> If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it plays via >> html5 >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >> Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 07:34 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >> >> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not >> in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called >> extra_flags. >> >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Cheers got it! >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite >> working for me... >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >> >> 2. Exported patched version >> >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >> >> I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the >> default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. >> HTML5) ticked >> >> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >> >> When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow >> >> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with >> failed to create new template >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Julian Tenney >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I've just sent it on... >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 >> looks like Fay's update. >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It >> will show : >> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific >> engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard >> when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some >> feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties >> page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and >> preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >> - Make use of the same template files as export does for >> the play and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> - Changed basic.sql >> - updates upgrade.php >> >> Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet >> >> Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) >> >> It's about 2.2Mb >> >> Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >> schreef: >> >> Hello, >> >> Sorry for delay - travelling home from a >> conference.... again >> >> The properties page is at present not modular - as it >> is the same code for each module. At present only >> Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one >> URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. >> >> I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a >> new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use >> in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 >> projects. This tab could explain the process and give >> the preview and default setting options? >> >> This way the main properties tab with the links in >> could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is >> migrated then we could remove the tab >> >> OR >> >> You could modularise part of the properties page and >> give each module a URL _return function like what >> exists at present >> >> I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed >> >> https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists >> as well >> >> Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn >> it on in the .info file should you want too >> >> REMEMBER >> >> if you add a new module you need to add the new >> language files as well >> >> Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I >> don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how >> much I've moaned about this :) >> >> >> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> >> >> >> *To:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> >> >> >> *Cc:* >> >> *Sent:* >> >> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 >> >> *Subject:* >> >> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> There are some subtle differences: >> >> Yes, the user could delivery options in the >> property page, but you need to realise that the >> proerty page is also modular, the form is >> generated from the modules/ php code. >> So... only xerte LO's would get that option. >> >> And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT >> be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. >> in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see >> which engine to use. >> >> I think that I go ahead and show you how >> everything is pieces nicely together. >> >> As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have >> 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the >> originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' >> column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php >> and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f >> older modules/site and be called play.php, >> preview.php and perhaps export.php. >> >> Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and >> 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php >> >> Right Pat? >> >> I am working on it, and provide you with a patch >> so you can test. Once you understand what is >> reuired, it is rather straightforward. >> >> If we're committing this, I'll will also write an >> article of how this works. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then >> I'll mangle >> >> Mangle away... this obviously has links to >> the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece >> as we discussed earlier in the week. To >> summarise the discussions, here's where I >> thought we'd got to: >> >> The user would select the delivery option >> from the properties panel; >> >> Different URLs would provide access to the >> content -- so the flash / html URLs would >> actually be available >> >> Principle: authors test and check rather than >> auto-conversion >> >> The setting in the properties panel would >> drive the URLs in the various feeds etc >> >> Principle: existing links continue to work >> >> Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php >> page in place as it's not only Ron who is >> already putting content 'live' this way >> >> We need to accommodate the site template as >> well (which I'm going to have to rename for >> political reasons here, otherwise M&C will >> kill it. Learning Module?) >> >> Is there anything else? If we have a good >> list, we'll only have to do the work once... >> >> Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, >> >> Julian >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk >> ] >> *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry >> to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't >> think we'd agreed on it / added it to the >> road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of >> Fay's time in changing stuff. >> >> I felt xenith was important and so I didn't >> want to screw it up with the wrong sort of >> changes. >> >> You could place a header redirect in >> playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another >> link, thus old links could be maintained - >> albeit as a work round. >> >> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then >> I'll mangle >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling >> quality >> >> *On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney >> > > wrote:* >> >> *Is there any way we can do both things, >> i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so >> things don't break, but build a new >> modular play engine that handles the >> modular stuff much better? When I put the >> site template in it was obvious that it >> was a bit of a pain, as you say having to >> add new files to the root folder is bad >> news, and having to modify other files in >> the root folder is also not so plug and >> play: there is specific (if >> (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do >> that) code in ther e, which shouldn't be >> there really.* >> >> ** >> >> *We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th >> April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind >> waiting a few more weeks, but we really >> need to get this out there so that it can >> be installed in places before the summer >> -- so those who want to build materials >> for next year can use it over the summer. >> The end of May would be about as far as >> I'd want to wait I think.* >> >> ** >> >> *What do others think?* >> >> ** >> >> *From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and >> htaccess* >> >> ** >> >> *True, and happy to shut up* >> >> ** >> >> *But I first raised this in November - >> http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html >> - >> but it didn't go anywhere* >> >> ** >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> >> *From:* >> >> *"For Xerte technical developers" >> > >* >> >> ** >> >> *To:* >> >> *"For Xerte technical developers" >> > >* >> >> *Cc:* >> >> ** >> >> *Sent:* >> >> *Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100* >> >> *Subject:* >> >> *[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> Always we seem to hit something >> fundamental right before we're due to >> finish the work. There is a degree of >> frustration here with two things: >> >> - we have already worked through this >> twice: Fay has worked through it once >> with Pat to get the html5 links working, >> and I have worked through it with Pat to >> get the site template working. Now we >> want to do it differently? >> - if you take pre-release code and it >> changes, well, that's sometimes life. >> Play_html5 was always intended as a way >> of beta testing the templates, rather >> than anything else. >> >> At this stage of things, I think we >> should go with what we have, and Tom's >> database solution solution, and get this >> phase of work done, and then address it >> later when we have a new cycle underway. >> I appreciate the issues, but there is no >> point in getting hung about functionality >> that no one is using yet (modularity), at >> the expense of functionality that >> everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> For me the basic principal must be >> whatever we want to be defaults for any >> new solution mustn't break existing links >> or require people to duplicate or >> re-write any code to maintain that >> compatibility. The vast majority will not >> have the time, skills or inclination to >> do that. So... >> >> /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 >> including the embed code links should >> continue to play existing LO's via Flash >> likewise >> /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and >> /play_html5_123 should continue to work >> even if that's no longer the default for >> new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. >> >> I can see the point about not referring >> to html5 and keeping it more future >> proofed and again I can't see a problem >> with changes like this or the new >> defaults being >> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as >> long as existing links aren't broken. But >> what would be the Apache/htaccess version >> of that? >> >> Over time JISC Techdis and other >> organisations and individuals have shared >> many links to LO's they have made public >> with the community, with their learners, >> with colleagues and this includes sharing >> of the play_html5 links. Rightly or >> wrongly that's what we've had since the >> 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't >> break those links if we can possibly >> avoid it. >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Howdy >> >> I personally think you need to run >> everything through the same page, with >> parameters Its the only way you can >> prevent worsening the situation 12 months >> down the line where we have many deployed >> play urls which have to be maintained.. >> Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then >> people can rewrite that page to your main >> play.php page with method=html or even >> duplicate the main play.php file as >> play_html5 if they must. >> >> Begs the question - should we drop >> references to html5 and just call it html >> - what happens if they release html6 in a >> few years? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> "Pat @ Pgogy" > > wrote: >> >> >> Could we use the following URL structure? >> >> Can the play URL be >> >> Play.php?template_id=560 >> And >> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML >> >> And not playhtml.php? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are >> intended solely for the addressee and may >> contain confidential information. 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Tom, >> >> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >>>> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>> Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> Strange. >>>> >>>> Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> Cheers got it! >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >>>> 2. Exported patched version >>>> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >>>> >>>> >>>> I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >>>> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >>>> When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow >>>> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template >>>> >>>> >>>> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? >>>> >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>>> Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> >>>> I?ve just sent it on? >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>> Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> >>>> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >>>> >>>> Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>> Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> >>>> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >>>> >>>> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>>> As an addition: >>>> >>>> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >>>> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >>>> 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php >>>> >>>> Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. >>>> >>>> Some is true for preview. >>>> >>>> You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >>>> >>>> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>>> Almost finished. >>>> >>>> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page >>>> >>>> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >>>> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >>>> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview >>>> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >>>> - Move site to its own module dir >>>> > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 10:50:13 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:50:13 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff > for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is > return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, > XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I > still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is > in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on > templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. > what is the default engine to use for this project > with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 links I get an > empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty > window with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be > anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the > patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch > to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set > by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force > a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the > wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first > would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as > export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 12 10:53:21 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:53:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5167C877.2090202@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <5167AACF.1070505@tor.nl> <002101ce3755$800fccb0$802f6610$@co.uk> <5167C43E.7040507@tor.nl> <5167C877.2090202@tor.nl> Message-ID: <006d01ce3763$921235c0$b636a140$@co.uk> Ok I sighed ;-) Put those files over the top - no change except!... I then tested with Chrome and Firefox.... I can change engine type via properties fine with Chrome and Firefox but not IE10. Tried compatibility mode same problem Also I can't create new LO's with any browser. I get the following error: http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20 to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO %20templatedetails%20%28template_id Also when it fails an odd thing happens to Workspace heading changes to INDEX_WORKSPACE ... and project create link similar... This is default guest authentication with no integration_path set. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 09:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess These are the files themselves, not the patch on svn. This is 800k thought I could post that without too many issues. The first try was prohibited by the mail server (it found SilverLight in the site template), so I had to password protect the zip. Password is 'sigh' Tom Op 12-4-2013 10:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: Progress indeed, So... playing works if you manage to get the right entry in the db? Please check whether 1. play.php?template_id=## works as expected, i.e. with the flasg in the db 2. play.php?template_id=##&engine=flash always plays in flash regardless of db entry 3. play.php?template_id=##&engine=javascript always plays in html5/javascript regardless of db entry 4. preview.php?template_id=##&engine=other plays in engine oposite that in the DB I'll send you the files involved in the property management, i.e. toggling the flags. Op 12-4-2013 10:12, Ron Mitchell schreef: The patch I got from Julian is 2,327 but progress of sorts... Has anyone else got this working? I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email received to file system Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then Patch all items Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no idea why it didn't previously following exact same process TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder Copy that code over existing working localhost install Visit upgrade.php This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash for existing projects Existing projects play via Flash but... I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get failed to create template If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it plays via html5 HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 07:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size. Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) It's about 2.2Mb Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work. I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and default setting options? This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab OR You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a URL _return function like what exists at present I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info file should you want too REMEMBER if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :) Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess There are some subtle differences: Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from the modules/ php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that option. And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which engine to use. I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely together. As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php. Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and even peer.php Right Pat? I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works. Tom Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Mangle away. this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to: The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel; Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / html URLs would actually be available Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various feeds etc Principle: existing links continue to work Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning Module?) Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do the work once. Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff. I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the wrong sort of changes. You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round. I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney wrote: Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in ther e, which shouldn't be there really. We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think. What do others think? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess True, and happy to shut up But I first raised this in November - http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html - but it didn't go anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100 Subject: [Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things: - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently? - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than anything else. At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So... /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's. I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that? Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Howdy I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if they must. Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Could we use the following URL structure? 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I'll be back .. ;-) Tom Op 12-4-2013 11:53, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Ok I sighed ;-) > > Put those files over the top - no change except!... > > I then tested with Chrome and Firefox.... > > I can change engine type via properties fine with Chrome and Firefox > but not IE10. Tried compatibility mode same problem > > Also I can't create new LO's with any browser. I get the following error: > > http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20%28template_id > > Also when it fails an odd thing happens to Workspace heading changes > to INDEX_WORKSPACE ... > > and project create link similar... > > This is default guest authentication with no integration_path set. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 09:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > These are the files themselves, not the patch on svn. > > This is 800k thought I could post that without too many issues. > > The first try was prohibited by the mail server (it found SilverLight > in the site template), so I had to password protect the zip. Password > is 'sigh' > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 10:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Progress indeed, > > So... playing works if you manage to get the right entry in the db? > > Please check whether > 1. play.php?template_id=## > works as expected, i.e. with the flasg in the db > 2. play.php?template_id=##&engine=flash > always plays in flash regardless of db entry > 3. play.php?template_id=##&engine=javascript > always plays in html5/javascript regardless of db entry > > 4. preview.php?template_id=##&engine=other > plays in engine oposite that in the DB > > I'll send you the files involved in the property management, i.e. > toggling the flags. > > Op 12-4-2013 10:12, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > The patch I got from Julian is 2,327 but progress of sorts... > > Has anyone else got this working? > > I copied the modular_play.diff file again from the email > received to file system > > Selected TortoiseSVN > Apply patch and selected that file then > Patch all items > > Check upgrade.php it now has the function upgrade_4() - no > idea why it didn't previously following exact same process > > TortoiseSVN > Export to a new empty folder > > Copy that code over existing working localhost install > > Visit upgrade.php > > This has now added the extra_flags column and set engine=flash > for existing projects > > Existing projects play via Flash but... > > I can't change engine via properties - can't change ticks > > Can't create new LO's based on any of the templates - get > failed to create template > > If I change an LO to engine=javascript direct in the db it > plays via html5 > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 07:34 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size. > > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails > called extra_flags. > > > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is > the default engine to use for this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window > with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything > new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? > 752 looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to > Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by > the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a > specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the > wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would > like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export > does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet > > Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752) > > It's about 2.2Mb > > Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > schreef: > > Hello, > > Sorry for delay - travelling home from a > conference.... again > > The properties page is at present not modular > - as it is the same code for each module. At > present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules > will have more than one URL, hence it needs > some "Module" work. > > I think I could see a case for giving XOT > modules a new tab on properties which is HTML > access - beca use in theory some of the > projects are to become HTML5 projects. This > tab could explain the process and give the > preview and default setting options? > > This way the main properties tab with the > links in could remain as is (for now) and as > the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove > the tab > > OR > > You could modularise part of the properties > page and give each module a URL _return > function like what exists at present > > I sort of prefer the top version, but am not > fussed > > https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists > as well > > Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you > can turn it on in the .info file should you > want too > > REMEMBER > > if you add a new module you need to add the > new language files as well > > Tom how do you want to divide the work on > this? I don't feel it's fair for you to do it > all given how much I've moaned about this :) > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > There are some subtle differences: > > Yes, the user could delivery options in > the property page, but you need to > realise that the proerty page is also > modular, the form is generated from the > modules/ php code. So... only > xerte LO's would get that option. > > And then the URLs that would be provided > will NOT be different, but the way the URL > behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the > DB is inquired to see which engine to use. > > I think that I go ahead and show you how > everything is pieces nicely together. > > As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to > have 'site' (or whetever you want to call > it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table > in the 'framework' column, and the > play_site.php, preview_site.php and > perhaps export_site.php should move to a f > older modules/site and be called play.php, > preview.php and perhaps export.php. > > Then you can use the regular 'root' > play.php and 'root' preview.php... and > even peer.php > > Right Pat? > > I am working on it, and provide you with a > patch so you can test. Once you understand > what is reuired, it is rather > straightforward. > > If we're committing this, I'll will also > write an article of how this works. > > Tom > > Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, > then I'll mangle > > Mangle away... this obviously has > links to the propertie s panel and > URLs for each piece as we discussed > earlier in the week. To summarise the > discussions, here's where I thought > we'd got to: > > The user would select the delivery > option from the properties panel; > > Different URLs would provide access to > the content -- so the flash / html > URLs would actually be available > > Principle: authors test and check > rather than auto-conversion > > The setting in the properties panel > would drive the URLs in the various > feeds etc > > Principle: existing links continue to > work > > Workaround: we can leave the > play_html5.php page in place as it's > not only Ron who is already putting > content 'live' this way > > We need to accommodate the site > template as well (which I'm going to > have to rename for political reasons > here, otherwise M&C will kill it. > Learning Module?) > > Is there anything else? If we have a > good list, we'll only have to do the > work once... > > Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up, > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk > ] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I didn't make the changes last time > (as sorry to sound like a stuck > record) as I didn't think we'd agreed > on it / added it to the road map. So I > didn't want to waste a day of Fay's > time in changing stuff. > > I felt xenith was important and so I > didn't want to screw it up with the > wrong sort of changes. > > You could place a header redirect in > playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to > another link, thus old links could be > maintained - albeit as a work round. > > I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, > then I'll mangle > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > *On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian > Tenney > > wrote:* > > *Is there any way we can do both > things, i.e. leave the existing > stuff in place so things don't > break, but build a new modular > play engine that handles the > modular stuff much better? When I > put the site template in it was > obvious that it was a bit of a > pain, as you say having to add new > files to the root folder is bad > news, and having to modify other > files in the root folder is also > not so plug and play: there is > specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) > do this else do that) code in ther > e, which shouldn't be there really.* > > ** > > *We wanted to put a new zip out on > 26^th April, a tentative deadline. > I don't mind waiting a few more > weeks, but we really need to get > this out there so that it can be > installed in places before the > summer -- so those who want to > build materials for next year can > use it over the summer. The end of > May would be about as far as I'd > want to wait I think.* > > ** > > *What do others think?* > > ** > > *From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of > xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > > Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess* > > ** > > *True, and happy to shut up* > > ** > > *But I first raised this in > November - > http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html > - > but it didn't go anywhere* > > ** > > *----- Original Message -----* > > *From:* > > *"For Xerte technical > developers" > >* > > ** > > *To:* > > *"For Xerte technical developers" > >* > > *Cc:* > > ** > > *Sent:* > > *Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100* > > *Subject:* > > *[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Always we seem to hit something > fundamental right before we're due > to finish the work. There is a > degree of frustration here with > two things: > > - we have already worked through > this twice: Fay has worked through > it once with Pat to get the html5 > links working, and I have worked > through it with Pat to get the > site template working. Now we want > to do it differently? > - if you take pre-release code and > it changes, well, that's sometimes > life. Play_html5 was always > intended as a way of beta testing > the templates, rather than > anything else. > > At this stage of things, I think > we should go with what we have, > and Tom's database solution > solution, and get this phase of > work done, and then address it > later when we have a new cycle > underway. I appreciate the issues, > but there is no point in getting > hung about functionality that no > one is using yet (modularity), at > the expense of functionality that > everyone wants to use (htm l5 > delivery). > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > For me the basic principal must be > whatever we want to be defaults > for any new solution mustn't break > existing links or require people > to duplicate or re-write any code > to maintain that compatibility. > The vast majority will not have > the time, skills or inclination to > do that. So... > > /play.php?template_id=123 and > /play_123 including the embed code > links should continue to play > existing LO's via Flash likewise > /play_html5.php?template_id=123 > and /play_html5_123 should > continue to work even if that's no > longer the default for new html 5, > 6 or 7 LO's. > > I can see the point about not > referring to html5 and keeping it > more future proofed and again I > can't see a problem with changes > like this or the new defaults > being > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > as long as existing links aren't > broken. But what would be the > Apache/htaccess version of that? > > Over time JISC Techdis and other > organisations and individuals have > shared many links to LO's they > have made public with the > community, with their learners, > with colleagues and this includes > sharing of the play_html5 links. > Rightly or wrongly that's what > we've had since the 1.8 release so > obviously we shouldn't break those > links if we can possibly avoid it. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25 > To: > xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Howdy > > I personally think you need to run > everything through the same page, > with parameters Its the only way > you can prevent worsening the > situation 12 months down the line > where we have many deployed play > urls which have to be maintained.. > Plan to deprecate play_html5 and > then people can rewrite that page > to your main play.php page with > method=html or even duplicate the > main play.php file as play_html5 > if they must. > > Begs the question - should we drop > references to html5 and just call > it html - what happens if they > release html6 in a few years? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" > > > wrote: > > > Could we use the following URL > structure? > > Can the play URL be > > Play.php?template_id=560 > And > Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML > > And not playhtml.php? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment > are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain > confidential information. 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If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? > > Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. >> >> As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) >> >> Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Tom, >> >> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Cheers got it! >> >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... >> >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >> 2. Exported patched version >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >> >> >> I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >> When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow >> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template >> >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? >> >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> I?ve just sent it on? >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >> >> >> Ron >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> >> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 11:02:53 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:02:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Cheers got it! > > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... > > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > 2. Exported patched version > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template > > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > HTH > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I?ve just sent it on? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 11:37:00 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:37:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 11:37:51 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:37:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB61@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26th April? Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a date we can have everything finished for. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 11:07 To: Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Let us know any final dates - we can announce on XerteFriday on 26th A From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:14 To: Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) 26th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment... but it shouldn't be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this last week that need sorting out, From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:11 To: Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi Terry Ron has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in one go . A From: Terry McAndrew Sent: 12 April 2013 09:50 To: Julian Tenney Cc: Alistair McNaught Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Thanks Julian, I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. Re your question; Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes 'nodes' of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for illustration but, IMHO, a Nottingham background and logo all over it will not necessarily boost my "sales pitch" to other institutions. If anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a 'branding configurator' which made it very quick and easy for an institution to set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, especially when there is no site-licence fee. Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. Terry. PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces - I'm working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar with, and send me a copy. From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 09:19 To: Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi, This is great, well done! If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be successful, or should institutions only send one application? Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the HTML5 stuff in it. We haven't quite finished that yet - when would you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make sure that these projects use the new version (if they don't already have it set up)? Thanks, this is great, From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Terry McAndrew Sent: 11 April 2013 11:59 To: OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding per project. This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA's Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme of 'Students as Partners'. In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and students in UK further and higher education. The project is being delivered by the HEA's Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the disciplines. Our intention is to extend awareness and practice through a discipline-based approach to developing digital literacy. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 11:47:15 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:47:15 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 12:20:19 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:20:19 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB61@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5167EDF3.5000807@tor.nl> Ehmm yes. as far as the things on my plate are concerned. Op 12-4-2013 12:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26^th April? > Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a > date we can have everything finished for. > > *From:*Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:07 > *To:* Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew > *Subject:* RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small > projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Let us know any final dates -- we can announce on XerteFriday on 26^th > > > A > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:14 > *To:* Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney > *Subject:* RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small > projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > 26^th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment... but it > shouldn't be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this > last week that need sorting out, > > *From:*Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:11 > *To:* Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney > *Subject:* RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small > projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Hi Terry > > Ron has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA > servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest > functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a > chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. > > The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms > of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more > work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has > a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a > spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in > one go . > > A > > *From:*Terry McAndrew > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 09:50 > *To:* Julian Tenney > *Cc:* Alistair McNaught > *Subject:* RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small > projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Thanks Julian, > > I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the > binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to > being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production > which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is > the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. > > We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another > sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the > functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. > > Re your question; > > Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to > maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes > 'nodes' of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the > same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then > that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. > > Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for > illustration but, *IMHO*, a Nottingham background and logo all over it > will not necessarily boost my "sales pitch" to other institutions*. If > anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a 'branding > configurator' which made it very quick and easy for an institution to > set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then > senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, > especially when there is no site-licence fee*. > > Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need > to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference > next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. > > I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with > this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. > > Terry. > > PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces -- I'm > working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar > with, and send me a copy. > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 09:19 > *To:* Terry McAndrew > *Subject:* RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small > projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Hi, > > This is great, well done! > > If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should > they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be > successful, or should institutions only send one application? > > Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the > HTML5 stuff in it. We haven't quite finished that yet -- when would > you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make > sure that these projects use the new version (if they don't already > have it set up)? > > Thanks, this is great, > > *From:*Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] > *On Behalf Of *Terry McAndrew > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:59 > *To:* OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small > projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that > aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. > Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two > projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding > per project. > > This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA's Educational > Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through > further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme > of 'Students as Partners'. > > In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to > establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to > enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their > digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It > complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, > inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational > approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and > students in UK further and higher education. > > The project is being delivered by the HEA's Educational Learning > Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the > disciplines. 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For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. Tom Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte > app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, > this is a developer thing, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? > > If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer > is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml > play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I > am left with a question.... why? > > Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech > stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does > is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a > module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked > I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work > because that's not in the patched or exported code > yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on > templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but > not quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. > what is the default engine to use for this project > with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 links I get an > empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty > window with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be > anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the > patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the > patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 > (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine > set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to > force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by > the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first > would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize > the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to > new play > - Make use of the same template files as > export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 12:47:48 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:47:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) In-Reply-To: <5167EDF3.5000807@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB61@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EDF3.5000807@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, great, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Ehmm yes. as far as the things on my plate are concerned. Op 12-4-2013 12:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26th April? Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a date we can have everything finished for. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 11:07 To: Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Let us know any final dates - we can announce on XerteFriday on 26th A From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:14 To: Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) 26th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment... but it shouldn't be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this last week that need sorting out, From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:11 To: Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi Terry Ron has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in one go . A From: Terry McAndrew Sent: 12 April 2013 09:50 To: Julian Tenney Cc: Alistair McNaught Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Thanks Julian, I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. Re your question; Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes 'nodes' of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for illustration but, IMHO, a Nottingham background and logo all over it will not necessarily boost my "sales pitch" to other institutions. If anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a 'branding configurator' which made it very quick and easy for an institution to set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, especially when there is no site-licence fee. Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. Terry. PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces - I'm working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar with, and send me a copy. From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 09:19 To: Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi, This is great, well done! If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be successful, or should institutions only send one application? Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the HTML5 stuff in it. We haven't quite finished that yet - when would you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make sure that these projects use the new version (if they don't already have it set up)? Thanks, this is great, From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Terry McAndrew Sent: 11 April 2013 11:59 To: OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding per project. This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA's Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme of 'Students as Partners'. In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and students in UK further and higher education. The project is being delivered by the HEA's Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the disciplines. Our intention is to extend awareness and practice through a discipline-based approach to developing digital literacy. See http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/detail/learningandtech/ELT-DLinD-SP Deadline for applications is 1st May 2013 Terry McAndrew MSc, FHEA Academic Lead: Educational Learning Technologies T +44 (0)1904 717500 M +44 (0) 7920 273411 terry.mcandrew at heacademy.ac.uk Skype: terry.mcandrew tw: @terrymc The Higher Education Academy, Innovation Way, York Science Park, Heslington, York, YO10 5BR www.heacademy.ac.uk - This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. 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For example, I didn't get rid of the play_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse > to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the > lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the > 'normal' play. > > So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in > place to make url's deprecated. > > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte >> app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, >> this is a developer thing, >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >> Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? >> >> If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer >> is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml >> play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I >> am left with a question.... why? >> >> Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech >> stuff for an API call? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does >> is return the XML. >> >> As we now have different methods for displaying content for a >> module, XML could be one of those? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: >> >> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I >> checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) >> >> Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> >> Tom, >> >> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: >> >> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >> >> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work >> because that's not in the patched or exported >> code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra column on >> templatedetails called extra_flags. >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Cheers got it! >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet >> but not quite working for me... >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >> >> 2. Exported patched version >> >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >> >> I can see new options in the properties panel >> e.g. what is the default engine to use for this >> project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >> >> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >> >> When following the flash and html5 links I get an >> empty wondow >> >> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty >> window with failed to create new template >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be >> anything new in there? >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I've just sent it on... >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the >> patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the >> patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 >> (or play_4). It will show : >> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine >> set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is site using >> modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to >> force a specific engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other (this is used >> by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first >> would like some feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to >> modularize the properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and >> modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to >> new play >> - Make use of the same template files as >> export does for the play and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 12:57:26 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:57:26 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> Message-ID: <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> Ron, Found a bug in the following file: website_code\php\templates\new_template.php Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. Tom Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse > to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the > lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the > 'normal' play. > > So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in > place to make url's deprecated. > > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte >> app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, >> this is a developer thing, >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >> Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? >> >> If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer >> is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml >> play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I >> am left with a question.... why? >> >> Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech >> stuff for an API call? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does >> is return the XML. >> >> As we now have different methods for displaying content for a >> module, XML could be one of those? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: >> >> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I >> checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) >> >> Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> >> Tom, >> >> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: >> >> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >> >> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work >> because that's not in the patched or exported >> code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra column on >> templatedetails called extra_flags. >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Cheers got it! >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet >> but not quite working for me... >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >> >> 2. Exported patched version >> >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >> >> I can see new options in the properties panel >> e.g. what is the default engine to use for this >> project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >> >> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >> >> When following the flash and html5 links I get an >> empty wondow >> >> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty >> window with failed to create new template >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be >> anything new in there? >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I've just sent it on... >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the >> patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the >> patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 >> (or play_4). It will show : >> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine >> set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is site using >> modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to >> force a specific engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other (this is used >> by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first >> would like some feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to >> modularize the properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and >> modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to >> new play >> - Make use of the same template files as >> export does for the play and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: new_template.php Type: application/x-httpd-php Size: 3156 bytes Desc: not available URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 12:57:46 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:57:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Cheers got it! > > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... > > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > 2. Exported patched version > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template > > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > HTH > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I?ve just sent it on? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I propose to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid of the play_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. > > Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. >> >> So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn?t for end users to see, this is a developer thing, >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? >>> >>> If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? >>> >>> Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. >>> >>> As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) >>> >>> Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> Tom, >>> >>> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? >>> If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> Strange. >>> >>> Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Cheers got it! >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... >>> >>> >>> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >>> 2. Exported patched version >>> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >>> >>> >>> I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >>> But I can't untick that or tick the flash option >>> When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow >>> and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template >>> >>> >>> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? >>> >>> >>> HTH >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> >>> I?ve just sent it on? >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> >>> Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. >>> >>> Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >>> >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> >>> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >>> >>> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>> As an addition: >>> >>> Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : >>> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user >>> 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php >>> >>> Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. >>> >>> Some is true for preview. >>> >>> You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >>> >>> I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>> Almost finished. >>> >>> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page >>> >>> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >>> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play >>> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview >>> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click >>> - Move site to its own module dir >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 13:18:29 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:18:29 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk>, <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com>, <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl>, <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com>, <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl>, <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl>, <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> Message-ID: <5167FB95.7060302@tor.nl> A what? ehmm.., ah yes.. yes! ;-) Op 12-4-2013 14:13, Dave Burnett schreef: > Shhh. > Tom is having an absinthe vision. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 13:07:42 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB61@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EDF3.5000807@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7AA39AC9-916E-4D05-802A-A735C11D99A2@pgogywebstuff.com> Well Tom has done everything I was going to do (thanks though) I was thinking of modifying setup to force the setting of an admin password? seems to be a common problem and a simple fix? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 12:47, Julian Tenney wrote: > OK, great, thanks, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 12 April 2013 12:20 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Ehmm yes. as far as the things on my plate are concerned. > Op 12-4-2013 12:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26th April? Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a date we can have everything finished for. > > From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 11:07 > To: Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Let us know any final dates ? we can announce on XerteFriday on 26th > > A > > From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 10:14 > To: Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > 26th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment? but it shouldn?t be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this last week that need sorting out, > > From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 10:11 > To: Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Hi Terry > Ron has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. > > The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in one go . > > A > > > > From: Terry McAndrew > Sent: 12 April 2013 09:50 > To: Julian Tenney > Cc: Alistair McNaught > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Thanks Julian, > > I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. > > We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. > > Re your question; > Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes ?nodes? of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. > > Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for illustration but, IMHO, a Nottingham background and logo all over it will not necessarily boost my ?sales pitch? to other institutions. If anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a ?branding configurator? which made it very quick and easy for an institution to set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, especially when there is no site-licence fee. > > Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. > > I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. > > Terry. > > PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces ? I?m working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar with, and send me a copy. > > From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 09:19 > To: Terry McAndrew > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Hi, > > This is great, well done! > > If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be successful, or should institutions only send one application? > > Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the HTML5 stuff in it. We haven?t quite finished that yet ? when would you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make sure that these projects use the new version (if they don?t already have it set up)? > > Thanks, this is great, > > From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Terry McAndrew > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:59 > To: OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding per project. > > This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme of ?Students as Partners?. > > In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and students in UK further and higher education. > > The project is being delivered by the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the disciplines. Our intention is to extend awareness and practice through a discipline-based approach to developing digital literacy. > > See http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/detail/learningandtech/ELT-DLinD-SP > > Deadline for applications is 1st May 2013 > > > Terry McAndrew MSc, FHEA > Academic Lead: Educational Learning Technologies > > T +44 (0)1904 717500 M +44 (0) 7920 273411 terry.mcandrew at heacademy.ac.uk > Skype: terry.mcandrew tw: @terrymc > > The Higher Education Academy, Innovation Way, York Science Park, Heslington, York, YO10 5BR > www.heacademy.ac.uk ? > > This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still get the error e.g. http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20 to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO %20templatedetails%20(template_id Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if that's any different. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Ron, Found a bug in the following file: website_code\php\templates\new_template.php Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. Tom Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. Tom Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 13:26:46 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:26:46 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <010f01ce3778$e500a130$af01e390$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> <010f01ce3778$e500a130$af01e390$@co.uk> Message-ID: <5167FD86.2050008@tor.nl> No, like I said in the mail: :-) website_code\php\templates Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > is that from \modules\xerte\ ? > > I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still get > the error e.g. > > http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20(template_id > > > Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if that's > any different. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:57 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Ron, > > Found a bug in the following file: > > website_code\php\templates\new_template.php > > Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. > > I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let > you know a.s.a.p. > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I > propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid > f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using > the 'normal' play. > > So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism > in place to make url's deprecated. > > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile > Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end > users to see, this is a developer thing, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret > that xml? > > If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the > answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can > add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems > whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? > > Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this > tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all > it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content > for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I > checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the > patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't > work because that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on > templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this > yet but not quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties > panel e.g. what is the default engine to > use for this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash > option > > When following the flash and html5 links I > get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get > an empty window with failed to create new > template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem > to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . > Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I > get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll > send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It > will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the > engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is > used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is > pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, > but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to > modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) > redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template > files as export does for the play > and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on > Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 13:29:46 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:29:46 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) In-Reply-To: <7AA39AC9-916E-4D05-802A-A735C11D99A2@pgogywebstuff.com> References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB61@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <5167EDF3.5000807@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <7AA39AC9-916E-4D05-802A-A735C11D99A2@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: I think it would help. From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:07:42 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Well Tom has done everything I was going to do (thanks though) I was thinking of modifying setup to force the setting of an admin password? seems to be a common problem and a simple fix? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 12:47, Julian Tenney wrote: OK, great, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Ehmm yes. as far as the things on my plate are concerned. Op 12-4-2013 12:37, Julian Tenney schreef:Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26th April? Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a date we can have everything finished for. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 11:07 To: Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Let us know any final dates ? we can announce on XerteFriday on 26th A From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:14 To: Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) 26th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment? but it shouldn?t be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this last week that need sorting out, From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:11 To: Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi TerryRon has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in one go . A From: Terry McAndrew Sent: 12 April 2013 09:50 To: Julian Tenney Cc: Alistair McNaught Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Thanks Julian, I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. Re your question; Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes ?nodes? of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for illustration but, IMHO, a Nottingham background and logo all over it will not necessarily boost my ?sales pitch? to other institutions. If anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a ?branding configurator? which made it very quick and easy for an institution to set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, especially when there is no site-licence fee. Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. Terry. PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces ? I?m working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar with, and send me a copy. From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 09:19 To: Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi, This is great, well done! If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be successful, or should institutions only send one application? Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the HTML5 stuff in it. We haven?t quite finished that yet ? when would you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make sure that these projects use the new version (if they don?t already have it set up)? Thanks, this is great, From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Terry McAndrew Sent: 11 April 2013 11:59 To: OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding per project. This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme of ?Students as Partners?. In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and students in UK further and higher education. The project is being delivered by the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the disciplines. Our intention is to extend awareness and practice through a discipline-based approach to developing digital literacy. See http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/detail/learningandtech/ELT-DLinD-SP Deadline for applications is 1st May 2013 Terry McAndrew MSc, FHEAAcademic Lead: Educational Learning Technologies T +44 (0)1904 717500 M +44 (0) 7920 273411 terry.mcandrew at heacademy.ac.ukSkype: terry.mcandrew tw: @terrymc The Higher Education Academy, Innovation Way, York Science Park, Heslington, York, YO10 5BRwww.heacademy.ac.uk ? This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 13:49:19 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:49:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 13:51:01 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:51:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) In-Reply-To: <7AA39AC9-916E-4D05-802A-A735C11D99A2@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCB61@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EDF3.5000807@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <7AA39AC9-916E-4D05-802A-A735C11D99A2@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD6A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Sounds like a good idea From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 13:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Well Tom has done everything I was going to do (thanks though) I was thinking of modifying setup to force the setting of an admin password? seems to be a common problem and a simple fix? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 12:47, Julian Tenney > wrote: OK, great, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Ehmm yes. as far as the things on my plate are concerned. Op 12-4-2013 12:37, Julian Tenney schreef: Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26th April? Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a date we can have everything finished for. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 11:07 To: Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Let us know any final dates ? we can announce on XerteFriday on 26th A From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:14 To: Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) 26th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment? but it shouldn?t be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this last week that need sorting out, From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 10:11 To: Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi Terry Ron has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in one go . A From: Terry McAndrew Sent: 12 April 2013 09:50 To: Julian Tenney Cc: Alistair McNaught Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Thanks Julian, I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. Re your question; Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes ?nodes? of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for illustration but, IMHO, a Nottingham background and logo all over it will not necessarily boost my ?sales pitch? to other institutions. If anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a ?branding configurator? which made it very quick and easy for an institution to set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, especially when there is no site-licence fee. Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. Terry. PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces ? I?m working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar with, and send me a copy. From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 12 April 2013 09:19 To: Terry McAndrew Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Hi, This is great, well done! If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be successful, or should institutions only send one application? Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the HTML5 stuff in it. We haven?t quite finished that yet ? when would you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make sure that these projects use the new version (if they don?t already have it set up)? Thanks, this is great, From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Terry McAndrew Sent: 11 April 2013 11:59 To: OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding per project. This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme of ?Students as Partners?. In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and students in UK further and higher education. The project is being delivered by the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the disciplines. Our intention is to extend awareness and practice through a discipline-based approach to developing digital literacy. See http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/detail/learningandtech/ELT-DLinD-SP Deadline for applications is 1st May 2013 Terry McAndrew MSc, FHEA Academic Lead: Educational Learning Technologies T +44 (0)1904 717500 M +44 (0) 7920 273411 terry.mcandrew at heacademy.ac.uk Skype: terry.mcandrew tw: @terrymc The Higher Education Academy, Innovation Way, York Science Park, Heslington, York, YO10 5BR www.heacademy.ac.uk ? This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. 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Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! Play by default for new projects is html 5 Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote Centos install. I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below This happens when deleting a project too. BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons e.g. delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 13:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No, like I said in the mail: :-) website_code\php\templates Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom is that from \modules\xerte\ ? I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still get the error e.g. http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20 to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO %20templatedetails%20(template_id Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if that's any different. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Ron, Found a bug in the following file: website_code\php\templates\new_template.php Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. Tom Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. Tom Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. 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Julian From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 12 April 2013 14:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess :-( sorry my mistake. Ok continued progress... Creating templates now works! Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! Play by default for new projects is html 5 Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote Centos install. I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below [cid:image001.jpg at 01CE3788.4F13CA20] [cid:image002.jpg at 01CE3788.4F13CA20] This happens when deleting a project too. BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons e.g. delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 13:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No, like I said in the mail: :-) website_code\php\templates Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom is that from \modules\xerte\ ? I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still get the error e.g. http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20(template_id Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if that's any different. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Ron, Found a bug in the following file: website_code\php\templates\new_template.php Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. Tom Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. Tom Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3290 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 14:18:32 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:18:32 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCDA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> <010f01ce3778$e500a130$af01e390$@co.uk> <5167FD86.2050008@tor.nl> <014101ce377f$b8ebabb0$2ac30310$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCDA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516809A8.3090402@tor.nl> Yes, I'll finish up peer review first, and then I'll commit (later today I hope) Op 12-4-2013 15:16, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I'll install it next week, then we should start making a list of bugs etc. > > Tom, do you want to commit the files, it sounds like you're pretty > close now? > > Julian > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron > Mitchell > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:15 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > :-( sorry my mistake. > > Ok continued progress... > > Creating templates now works! > > Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! > > Play by default for new projects is html 5 > > Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview > > Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote > Centos install. > > I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the > workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below > > This happens when deleting a project too. > > BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click > delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons e.g. > delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 13:27 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > No, like I said in the mail: :-) > website_code\php\templates > > Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > is that from \modules\xerte\ ? > > I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still > get the error e.g. > > http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20(template_id > > > Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if > that's any different. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:57 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Ron, > > Found a bug in the following file: > > website_code\php\templates\new_template.php > > Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. > > I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) > let you know a.s.a.p. > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I > propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get > rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented > it using the 'normal' play. > > So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a > mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. > > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that > mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this > isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > And so, you would use for example an app, that would > interpret that xml? > > If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, > the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, > whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, > easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a > question.... why? > > Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is > this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but > all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying > content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last > time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in > the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch > didn't work because that's not in the > patched or exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra > column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried > this yet but not quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this project > with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the > flash option > > When following the flash and html5 > links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I > get an empty window with failed to > create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't > seem to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . > Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where > do I get the patch? 752 looks like > Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. > I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site > using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other > (this is used by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would like > some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders > schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet > to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) > redirect to new play > - Make use of the same > template files as export does > for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the > engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The INDEX_WORKSPACE has (probably) nothing to do with these changes, but it's a bug caused by the translation changes that I committed some three weeks ago. And I know what's happening there too. I'll fix it. Tom Op 12-4-2013 15:14, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > :-( sorry my mistake. > > Ok continued progress... > > Creating templates now works! > > Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! > > Play by default for new projects is html 5 > > Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview > > Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote > Centos install. > > I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the > workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below > > This happens when deleting a project too. > > BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click > delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons e.g. > delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 13:27 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > No, like I said in the mail: :-) > website_code\php\templates > > Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > is that from \modules\xerte\ ? > > I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still > get the error e.g. > > http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20(template_id > > > Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if > that's any different. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:57 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Ron, > > Found a bug in the following file: > > website_code\php\templates\new_template.php > > Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. > > I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) > let you know a.s.a.p. > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I > propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get > rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented > it using the 'normal' play. > > So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a > mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. > > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that > mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this > isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > And so, you would use for example an app, that would > interpret that xml? > > If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, > the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, > whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, > easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a > question.... why? > > Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is > this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but > all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying > content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last > time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in > the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch > didn't work because that's not in the > patched or exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra > column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried > this yet but not quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this project > with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the > flash option > > When following the flash and html5 > links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I > get an empty window with failed to > create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't > seem to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . > Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where > do I get the patch? 752 looks like > Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. > I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site > using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other > (this is used by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would like > some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders > schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet > to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) > redirect to new play > - Make use of the same > template files as export does > for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the > engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of the things on that list have either been fixed now or related more to template functionality but a key current bug I think is... I discovered around that time I think that creating new folders doesn't work and that applies to this latest code too with both installations I've been testing with. Click New Folder the pop-up appears to name it but then naming and clicking new folder doesn't do anything. The other notes I had were about INDEX_WORKSPACE and the button state thing when selecting recycle bin HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 14:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Good! The INDEX_WORKSPACE has (probably) nothing to do with these changes, but it's a bug caused by the translation changes that I committed some three weeks ago. And I know what's happening there too. I'll fix it. Tom Op 12-4-2013 15:14, Ron Mitchell schreef: :-( sorry my mistake. Ok continued progress... Creating templates now works! Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! Play by default for new projects is html 5 Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote Centos install. I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below This happens when deleting a project too. BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons e.g. delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 13:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No, like I said in the mail: :-) website_code\php\templates Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom is that from \modules\xerte\ ? I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still get the error e.g. http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20 to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO %20templatedetails%20(template_id Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if that's any different. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Ron, Found a bug in the following file: website_code\php\templates\new_template.php Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. Tom Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. Tom Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Interesting in a Friday > afternoon sort of way? not sure about the 112 years of effort? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 14:45:28 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:45:28 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <017701ce3782$98306e30$c8914a90$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> <010f01ce3778$e500a130$af01e390$@co.uk> <5167FD86.2050008@tor.nl> <014101ce377f$b8ebabb0$2ac30310$@co.uk> <51680A1E.5080607@tor.nl> <017701ce3782$98306e30$c8914a90$@co.uk> Message-ID: <51680FF8.70107@tor.nl> Ok. The INDEX_WORKSPACE thing is fixed now (not committed yet) I'll check the new folder and the state of the recycle bin as well. Op 12-4-2013 15:35, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Yeah I did notice it previously (probably around that time) and > started making a list of bugs but didn't want to mention those until > I'd found time to test more thoroughly. Some of the things on that > list have either been fixed now or related more to template > functionality but a key current bug I think is... > > I discovered around that time I think that creating new folders > doesn't work and that applies to this latest code too with both > installations I've been testing with. Click New Folder the pop-up > appears to name it but then naming and clicking new folder doesn't do > anything. > > The other notes I had were about INDEX_WORKSPACE and the button state > thing when selecting recycle bin > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:21 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Good! > > The INDEX_WORKSPACE has (probably) nothing to do with these changes, > but it's a bug caused by the translation changes that I committed some > three weeks ago. > > And I know what's happening there too. I'll fix it. > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 15:14, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > :-( sorry my mistake. > > Ok continued progress... > > Creating templates now works! > > Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! > > Play by default for new projects is html 5 > > Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview > > Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote > Centos install. > > I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the > workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below > > This happens when deleting a project too. > > BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click > delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons > e.g. delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 13:27 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > No, like I said in the mail: :-) > website_code\php\templates > > Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > is that from \modules\xerte\ ? > > I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but > still get the error e.g. > > http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20(template_id > > > Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if > that's any different. > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:57 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Ron, > > Found a bug in the following file: > > website_code\php\templates\new_template.php > > Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. > > I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 > (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. > > Tom > > Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. > But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I > didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, > but implemented it using the 'normal' play. > > So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a > mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. > > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that > mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this > isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > And so, you would use for example an app, that would > interpret that xml? > > If your question is, did I consider XML as a play > option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you > ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the > answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I > am left with a question.... why? > > Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or > is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, > but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying > content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling > quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely > in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch > didn't work because that's not in > the patched or exported code yet > it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra > column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has > tried this yet but not quite > working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of > svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test > install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this > project with Javascript (a.k.a. > HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick > the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 > links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO > I get an empty window with failed > to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything new in > there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list > . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. > I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders > schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte > in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is > site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other > (this is used by the wizard > when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would like > some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything > yet to modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) > and modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same > template files as export > does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the > engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Interesting in a Friday afternoon sort of way... not sure about the 112 years of effort... _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 15:29:53 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:29:53 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51680FF8.70107@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> <010f01ce3778$e500a130$af01e390$@co.uk> <5167FD86.2050008@tor.nl> <014101ce377f$b8ebabb0$2ac30310$@co.uk> <51680A1E.5080607@tor.nl> <017701ce3782$98306e30$c8914a90$@co.uk> <51680FF8.70107@tor.nl> Message-ID: <51681A61.40503@tor.nl> INDEX_WORKSPACE fixed and committed New Folder issue fixed and committed :-) Op 12-4-2013 15:45, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Ok. > > The INDEX_WORKSPACE thing is fixed now (not committed yet) > > I'll check the new folder and the state of the recycle bin as well. > > Op 12-4-2013 15:35, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Yeah I did notice it previously (probably around that time) and >> started making a list of bugs but didn't want to mention those until >> I'd found time to test more thoroughly. Some of the things on that >> list have either been fixed now or related more to template >> functionality but a key current bug I think is... >> >> I discovered around that time I think that creating new folders >> doesn't work and that applies to this latest code too with both >> installations I've been testing with. Click New Folder the pop-up >> appears to name it but then naming and clicking new folder doesn't do >> anything. >> >> The other notes I had were about INDEX_WORKSPACE and the button state >> thing when selecting recycle bin >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >> Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:21 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Good! >> >> The INDEX_WORKSPACE has (probably) nothing to do with these changes, >> but it's a bug caused by the translation changes that I committed >> some three weeks ago. >> >> And I know what's happening there too. I'll fix it. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 12-4-2013 15:14, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> :-( sorry my mistake. >> >> Ok continued progress... >> >> Creating templates now works! >> >> Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! >> >> Play by default for new projects is html 5 >> >> Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview >> >> Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote >> Centos install. >> >> I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the >> workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below >> >> This happens when deleting a project too. >> >> BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click >> delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons >> e.g. delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 13:27 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> No, like I said in the mail: :-) >> website_code\php\templates >> >> Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Hi Tom >> >> is that from \modules\xerte\ ? >> >> I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but >> still get the error e.g. >> >> http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO%20templatedetails%20(template_id >> >> >> Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know >> if that's any different. >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf >> Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:57 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Ron, >> >> Found a bug in the following file: >> >> website_code\php\templates\new_template.php >> >> Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. >> >> I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 >> (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. >> But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I >> didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, >> but implemented it using the 'normal' play. >> >> So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a >> mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it >> that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but >> this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer >> thing, >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >> Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 10:50 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> And so, you would use for example an app, that would >> interpret that xml? >> >> If your question is, did I consider XML as a play >> option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you >> ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the >> answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I >> am left with a question.... why? >> >> Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Is that something end users would need to see, or >> is this tech stuff for an API call? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, >> but all it does is return the XML. >> >> As we now have different methods for displaying >> content for a module, XML could be one of those? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders >> > wrote: >> >> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? >> Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind >> reader.... :-) >> >> Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> >> Tom, >> >> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - >> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to >> middling quality >> >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders >> > > wrote: >> >> Yes definitely. Added function >> upgrade_4() >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Was the correct upgrade >> definitely in the patch? >> >> If it was my applying of the >> patch didn't work because that's >> not in the patched or exported >> code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: >> Modules and htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra >> column on templatedetails called >> extra_flags. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell >> > > schreef: >> >> Cheers got it! >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has >> tried this yet but not quite >> working for me... >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of >> svn code >> >> 2. Exported patched version >> >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test >> install >> >> I can see new options in the >> properties panel e.g. what is the >> default engine to use for this >> project with Javascript (a.k.a. >> HTML5) ticked >> >> But I can't untick that or tick >> the flash option >> >> When following the flash and >> html5 links I get an empty wondow >> >> and when trying to create a new >> LO I get an empty window with >> failed to create new template >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there >> doesn't seem to be anything new >> in there? >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: >> Modules and htaccess >> >> I've just sent it on... >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: >> Modules and htaccess >> >> Didn't want to send It to the >> list . Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell >> > > schreef: >> >> Happy to test and feedback but >> where do I get the patch? 752 >> looks like Fay's update. >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: >> Modules and htaccess >> >> I am off-line the rest of the >> day. I'll send the patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders >> schreef: >> >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use >> play.php&template_id=4 (or >> play_4). It will show : >> 1. if the >> template_frame=xerte in the >> engine set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is >> site using modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash >> or >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript >> to force a specific engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other >> (this is used by the wizard >> when Ctlr+Play is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for >> peer.php, but first would >> like some feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom >> Reijnders schreef: >> >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything >> yet to modularize the >> properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) >> and >> modules/xerte/play.php >> and preview >> - Made play_html5.php >> (root) redirect to new play >> - Make use of the same >> template files as export >> does for the play and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the >> engine on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own >> module dir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:51, Julian Tenney wrote: > Sounds like a good idea > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 13:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Well Tom has done everything I was going to do (thanks though) > > I was thinking of modifying setup to force the setting of an admin password? > > seems to be a common problem and a simple fix? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 12:47, Julian Tenney wrote: > > OK, great, thanks, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 12 April 2013 12:20 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Ehmm yes. as far as the things on my plate are concerned. > Op 12-4-2013 12:37, Julian Tenney schreef: > Do you think we are in a position to still aim for 26th April? Otherwise, Alistair, Terry and others could really do with knowing a date we can have everything finished for. > > From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 11:07 > To: Julian Tenney; Terry McAndrew > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Let us know any final dates ? we can announce on XerteFriday on 26th > > A > > From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 10:14 > To: Alistair McNaught; Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > 26th April is looking pretty optimistic at the moment? but it shouldn?t be too much later. A load of things have cropped up this last week that need sorting out, > > From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 10:11 > To: Terry McAndrew; Julian Tenney > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Hi Terry > Ron has been working on installing the latest version on our HEA servers to give us a brand new sandpit. It won't have the final latest functionality until after 26 April but it certainly gives people a chance to work on the current "best available" functionality. > > The new TechDis sandpit probably won't be fully functional (in terms of self registration and monthly wiping) until Ron has done some more work on it but it may be worth contacting him directly because he has a simple bulk upload process whereby if he gets people's details on a spreadsheet template he has created he can generate many accounts in one go . > > A > > > > From: Terry McAndrew > Sent: 12 April 2013 09:50 > To: Julian Tenney > Cc: Alistair McNaught > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Thanks Julian, > > I fear I am going to get a bumpy ride in some HEA corners due to the binding with Xerte I have made but IMHO nothing else comes close to being a consistent vehicle for some student-led resource production which can expose many digital literacy issues. I need to think what is the best mechanism I can use to capture the stories along the way. > > We MUST have the latest possible version so if there is another sandpit which would allow potential applicants to explore the functionality now, or one I can recommend. Please point me. > > Re your question; > Applications are by DISCIPLINE, but I would hope to be able to maximise to number of institutions participating as that establishes ?nodes? of Xerte practice. If two different disciplines within the same institution want to put forward a common collaborative bid then that would be attractive as we get more coverage for one installation. > > Your current best links to Xerte demonstrations would be valuable for illustration but, IMHO, a Nottingham background and logo all over it will not necessarily boost my ?sales pitch? to other institutions. If anything could help sell it for me it would be to have a ?branding configurator? which made it very quick and easy for an institution to set up its own distinct presentation: if it looks like it owns it then senior management are far more likely to buy-in to more adoption, especially when there is no site-licence fee. > > Please report any issues you hear raised at the chalk face. I now need to get the DL blog rolling. If you are going to the STEM conference next week, or have notts colleagues who are, please point them to me. > > I really hope I can promote Xerte into the HEA network for you with this. All critical feedback is welcome along the way. > > Terry. > > PS. I put the call out to many list and had loads of bounces ? I?m working on this but by all means repost it to lists I am not familiar with, and send me a copy. > > From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2013 09:19 > To: Terry McAndrew > Subject: RE: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Hi, > > This is great, well done! > > If there were two interested parties at an institution (ours) should they both apply, and you guys decide which one (if any) would be successful, or should institutions only send one application? > > Also, we should make sure they are using the latest Xerte with the HTML5 stuff in it. We haven?t quite finished that yet ? when would you anticipate people to start installing it, and can you help us make sure that these projects use the new version (if they don?t already have it set up)? > > Thanks, this is great, > > From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Terry McAndrew > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:59 > To: OER-DISCUSS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Digital Literacy in the Disciplines - Funding for small projects available (Deadline 1st May) > > Digital Literacy in the Disciplines is a series of mini-projects that aim to develop the use of digital literacies the disciplines. Institutions are invited to bid for one of eight projects (two projects per HEA cluster of disciplines) attracting ?5000 of funding per project. > > This series of mini-projects is a component of the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies through further work in the disciplines. This element is aligned to the theme of ?Students as Partners?. > > In this call we are seeking to fund a series of small projects to establish a consistent approach across a range of disciplines to enable staff to provide students with the opportunity to develop their digital literacies while creating re-usable interactive resources. It complements the JISC Digital Literacies programme to promote coherent, inclusive and holistic institutional strategies and organisational approaches for developing digital literacies for all staff and students in UK further and higher education. > > The project is being delivered by the HEA?s Educational Learning Technologies (ELT) work to develop Digital Literacies in the disciplines. Our intention is to extend awareness and practice through a discipline-based approach to developing digital literacy. > > See http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/resources/detail/learningandtech/ELT-DLinD-SP > > Deadline for applications is 1st May 2013 > > > Terry McAndrew MSc, FHEA > Academic Lead: Educational Learning Technologies > > T +44 (0)1904 717500 M +44 (0) 7920 273411 terry.mcandrew at heacademy.ac.uk > Skype: terry.mcandrew tw: @terrymc > > The Higher Education Academy, Innovation Way, York Science Park, Heslington, York, YO10 5BR > www.heacademy.ac.uk ? > > This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 14:18:57 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:18:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: > Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Cheers got it! > > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... > > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > 2. Exported patched version > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template > > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > HTH > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I?ve just sent it on? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 12 15:48:48 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:48:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don?t think that?s the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I?ve just sent it on? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 12 15:59:13 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:59:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51681A61.40503@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167D8D5.6090900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5167EE81.70200@tor.nl> <5167F6A6.2080206@tor.nl> <010f01ce3778$e500a130$af01e390$@co.uk> <5167FD86.2050008@tor.nl> <014101ce377f$b8ebabb0$2ac30310$@co.uk> <51680A1E.5080607@tor.nl> <017701ce3782$98306e30$c8914a90$@co.uk> <51680FF8.70107@tor.nl> <51681A61.40503@tor.nl> Message-ID: <01e501ce378e$4cca67a0$e65f36e0$@co.uk> Tested - both work! Will test further once you commit your other patch files. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 15:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess INDEX_WORKSPACE fixed and committed New Folder issue fixed and committed :-) Op 12-4-2013 15:45, Tom Reijnders schreef: Ok. The INDEX_WORKSPACE thing is fixed now (not committed yet) I'll check the new folder and the state of the recycle bin as well. Op 12-4-2013 15:35, Ron Mitchell schreef: Yeah I did notice it previously (probably around that time) and started making a list of bugs but didn't want to mention those until I'd found time to test more thoroughly. Some of the things on that list have either been fixed now or related more to template functionality but a key current bug I think is... I discovered around that time I think that creating new folders doesn't work and that applies to this latest code too with both installations I've been testing with. Click New Folder the pop-up appears to name it but then naming and clicking new folder doesn't do anything. The other notes I had were about INDEX_WORKSPACE and the button state thing when selecting recycle bin HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 14:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Good! The INDEX_WORKSPACE has (probably) nothing to do with these changes, but it's a bug caused by the translation changes that I committed some three weeks ago. And I know what's happening there too. I'll fix it. Tom Op 12-4-2013 15:14, Ron Mitchell schreef: :-( sorry my mistake. Ok continued progress... Creating templates now works! Changing engine via properties now works even with IE10! Play by default for new projects is html 5 Ctrl clicking play changes to Flash preview Tested on both a local xampp upgraded install and a clean remote Centos install. I do still get the odd problem that when creating a new LO the workspace title and button label change to index_ as shown below This happens when deleting a project too. BTW I meant to say previously when selecting recycle bin to click delete and totally empty the bin the the styles of the buttons e.g. delete don't change to enabled state even though it does work. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 13:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No, like I said in the mail: :-) website_code\php\templates Op 12-4-2013 14:25, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom is that from \modules\xerte\ ? I've replaced that file and tried in both Chrome and IE but still get the error e.g. http://localhost/xertetoolkits_new_svn/edit.php?template_id=FAILED-Failed%20 to%20create%20new%20template%20record%20for%20the%20database%20INSERT%20INTO %20templatedetails%20(template_id Just about to test a new clean install so will let you know if that's any different. HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 12:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Ron, Found a bug in the following file: website_code\php\templates\new_template.php Please see attached. This should enable creating new LO's again. I can toggle between html5/flash in IE9, haven't got IE10 (yet) let you know a.s.a.p. Tom Op 12-4-2013 13:22, Tom Reijnders schreef: It's very easy to implement with the scheme we have now. But I propse to do that in the next round. For example, I didn't get rid f the lay_html5.php in the root just yet, but implemented it using the 'normal' play. So let's do this for 2.1 and also have some tme to put a mechanism in place to make url's deprecated. Tom Op 12-4-2013 12:47, Julian Tenney schreef: I used it to get at the XML so I couod display it that mobile Xerte app I put together a while ago, but this isn't for end users to see, this is a developer thing, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 10:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess And so, you would use for example an app, that would interpret that xml? If your question is, did I consider XML as a play option, the answer is NO. If, on the other hand, you ask me, whether I can add an xml play option, the answer is yes, easily, no problems whatsoever. And I am left with a question.... why? Op 12-4-2013 11:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3290 bytes Desc: not available URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 16:04:50 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:04:50 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the > runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I > might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL > changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think > that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users > to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML > remote method to change the file locations and host a single > engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A > sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this > tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all > it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content > for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I > checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the > patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch didn't > work because that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on > templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this > yet but not quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > I can see new options in the properties > panel e.g. what is the default engine to > use for this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick the flash > option > > When following the flash and html5 links I > get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO I get > an empty window with failed to create new > template > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem > to be anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list . > Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but where do I > get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll > send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It > will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the > engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is > used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is > pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, > but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to > modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) > redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template > files as export does for the play > and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on > Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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'Learning Module' for the site template? Political reasons here, but I need to avoid 'web site' or anything that sounds like it's an alternative to the CMS. Am happy to take other suggestions, maybe commit it for now? The actual name can remain 'site' if needs be. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 16:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 12 16:41:28 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:41:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <021201ce3794$33814380$9a83ca80$@co.uk> Given the properties panel says Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) I think that's fine. But I would suggest for the manual override it's play_560?engine=flash and play_560?engine=html rather than play_560?engine=html5 or play_560?engine=javascript For the site template does the template folder name matter? Does that need to change from site? Isn't it then about the title and description which can be changed to whatever people prefer via managpemt.php? e.g. the rest of the world could leave it as website template but at Nottingham it's changed to Learning Module? I appreciate the political problem but when you compare the 'learning' functionality in the Nottingham template it somehow seems wrong to refer to a template that basically creates responsive web pages and arguably mini-sites as a learning module template. How about mobile template or responsive template? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 12 April 2013 16:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Happy with flash / javascript. 'Learning Module' for the site template? Political reasons here, but I need to avoid 'web site' or anything that sounds like it's an alternative to the CMS. Am happy to take other suggestions, maybe commit it for now? The actual name can remain 'site' if needs be. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 16:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 17:25:49 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:25:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3557B272-89FD-460E-B351-B4B26789427C@pgogywebstuff.com> Not misunderstood more the joys of doing this over email I wouldn't let the average academic have the XML address either Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 15:48, Julian Tenney wrote: > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don?t think that?s the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Cheers got it! > > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... > > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > 2. Exported patched version > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template > > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > HTH > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I?ve just sent it on? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 17:27:23 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:27:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> Message-ID: I would vote against play_html5 as an option as the regexp isn't as easy to verify and if we update to html6 them what? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 16:04, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don?t think that?s the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from >> >> Xml_560 to >> Play_xml_560 >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> The first or second bit >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> The play URL is now a sort of API >> >> So rather than >> >> play.php?template_id=1&method=flash >> >> You could have >> >> play.php?template_id=1&method=XML >> >> Which just returns the XML >> >> So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) >> >> Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. >> >> As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 17:28:38 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:28:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <021201ce3794$33814380$9a83ca80$@co.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <021201ce3794$33814380$9a83ca80$@co.uk> Message-ID: <9ADDB2A5-D629-4558-BA2C-EFDD885548B4@pgogywebstuff.com> Ah, I think display names are set in the info file.... Will check later Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 16:41, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > Given the properties panel says Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) I think that's fine. > > But I would suggest for the manual override it's play_560?engine=flash and play_560?engine=html rather than play_560?engine=html5 or play_560?engine=javascript > > For the site template does the template folder name matter? Does that need to change from site? > Isn't it then about the title and description which can be changed to whatever people prefer via managpemt.php? e.g. the rest of the world could leave it as website template but at Nottingham it's changed to Learning Module? > > I appreciate the political problem but when you compare the 'learning' functionality in the Nottingham template it somehow seems wrong to refer to a template that basically creates responsive web pages and arguably mini-sites as a learning module template. > > How about mobile template or responsive template? > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 12 April 2013 16:14 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Happy with flash / javascript. > > ?Learning Module? for the site template? Political reasons here, but I need to avoid ?web site? or anything that sounds like it?s an alternative to the CMS. Am happy to take other suggestions, maybe commit it for now? The actual name can remain ?site? if needs be. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 12 April 2013 16:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don?t think that?s the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? > If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Cheers got it! > > > I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... > > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code > 2. Exported patched version > 3. Dropped over a localhost test install > > > I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > But I can't untick that or tick the flash option > When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow > and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template > > > I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? > > > HTH > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I?ve just sent it on? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell schreef: > Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. > > > Ron > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: > As an addition: > > Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : > 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 12 22:31:18 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:31:18 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> Message-ID: <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I > commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because > I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 > play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have > to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the > author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the > engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to >> the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, >> but I might have misunderstood, >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat >> @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL >> changes from >> >> Xml_560 to >> >> Play_xml_560 >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney >> > > wrote: >> >> Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think >> that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users >> to get confused about, >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> The first or second bit >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney >> > > wrote: >> >> This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf >> Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> The play URL is now a sort of API >> >> So rather than >> >> play.php?template_id=1&method=flash >> >> You could have >> >> play.php?template_id=1&method=XML >> >> Which just returns the XML >> >> So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) >> >> Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML >> remote method to change the file locations and host a single >> engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. >> A sort of xpert shop window >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney >> > > wrote: >> >> Is that something end users would need to see, or is this >> tech stuff for an API call? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >> Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >> >> At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all >> it does is return the XML. >> >> As we now have different methods for displaying content >> for a module, XML could be one of those? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: >> >> Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time >> I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) >> >> Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> >> Tom, >> >> Thoughts on making XML into a play option? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders >> > wrote: >> >> Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Was the correct upgrade definitely in the >> patch? >> >> If it was my applying of the patch didn't >> work because that's not in the patched or >> exported code yet it is in basic.sql >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and >> htaccess >> >> Strange. >> >> Upgrade should give you an extra column >> on templatedetails called extra_flags. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Cheers got it! >> >> I'm not sure if anyone else has tried >> this yet but not quite working for me... >> >> 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code >> >> 2. Exported patched version >> >> 3. Dropped over a localhost test install >> >> I can see new options in the properties >> panel e.g. what is the default engine to >> use for this project with Javascript >> (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked >> >> But I can't untick that or tick the flash >> option >> >> When following the flash and html5 links >> I get an empty wondow >> >> and when trying to create a new LO I get >> an empty window with failed to create new >> template >> >> I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem >> to be anything new in there? >> >> HTH >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and >> htaccess >> >> I've just sent it on... >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and >> htaccess >> >> Didn't want to send It to the list . >> Julian has it. >> >> Ron Mitchell > > schreef: >> >> Happy to test and feedback but where do I >> get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and >> htaccess >> >> I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll >> send the patch to Julian. >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> >> As an addition: >> >> Now you can just use >> play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). >> It will show : >> 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the >> engine set by the user >> 2. if the template_frame is site >> using modules/site/play.php >> >> Also, you can use >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash >> or >> play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript >> to force a specific engine. >> >> Some is true for preview. >> >> You can also use engine=other (this >> is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play >> is pressed) >> >> I have to do the same for peer.php, >> but first would like some feedback ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders >> schreef: >> >> Almost finished. >> >> I didn't change anything yet to >> modularize the properties page >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and >> modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Made play_html5.php (root) >> redirect to new play >> - Make use of the same template >> files as export does for the play >> and preview >> - Make wizard toggle the engine >> on Ctrl-click >> - Move site to its own module dir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 12 23:49:42 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:49:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> Message-ID: <30B16185-E646-4EBA-9A3E-B58B434B2F8D@pgogywebstuff.com> Hi Tom, Cheers for doing all this - I feel like I'm being retired :) - found a few possible things that might not be quite right - not bugs, just logic stuff? Would you prefer me to add comments to the files and commit or maybe send them to the list? Pat Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 22:31, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: >> Some questions, before I commit, >> >> 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? >> 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? >> >> Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. >> >> The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) >> >> Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? >> >> I prefer flash/javascript >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don?t think that?s the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from >>> >>> Xml_560 to >>> Play_xml_560 >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>> Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> The first or second bit >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>> This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>> >>> The play URL is now a sort of API >>> >>> So rather than >>> >>> play.php?template_id=1&method=flash >>> >>> You could have >>> >>> play.php?template_id=1&method=XML >>> >>> Which just returns the XML >>> >>> So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) >>> >>> Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Sat Apr 13 08:00:25 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:00:25 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <30B16185-E646-4EBA-9A3E-B58B434B2F8D@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <30B16185-E646-4EBA-9A3E-B58B434B2F8D@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <51690289.6040602@tor.nl> Whatever is easiest for you, but perhaps the list is most convenient for others... Tom Op 13-4-2013 0:49, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Hi Tom, > > Cheers for doing all this - I feel like I'm being retired :) - found a > few possible things that might not be quite right - not bugs, just > logic stuff? > > Would you prefer me to add comments to the files and commit or maybe > send them to the list? > > Pat > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 22:31, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit >> (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! >> >> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview >> - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to >> new play >> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and >> preview >> - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used >> for export >> - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play >> and export, export used to copy it from a different location) >> - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when >> Ctr+Play is clicked >> - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and >> implement for javascript engine as well >> - Move site to its own module dir >> - Changed basic.sql >> - updates upgrade.php >> >> >> Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: >>> Some questions, before I commit, >>> >>> 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall >>> I commit site for the moment? >>> 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? >>> >>> Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, >>> because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. >>> >>> The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the >>> play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer >>> that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine >>> different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) >>> >>> Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the >>> engines? >>> >>> I prefer flash/javascript >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> >>>> Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to >>>> the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, >>>> but I might have misunderstood, >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Pat @ Pgogy >>>> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL >>>> changes from >>>> >>>> Xml_560 to >>>> >>>> Play_xml_560 >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think >>>> that's something for developers to get at, rather than end >>>> users to get confused about, >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Pat @ Pgogy >>>> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> The first or second bit >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >>>> *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess >>>> >>>> The play URL is now a sort of API >>>> >>>> So rather than >>>> >>>> play.php?template_id=1&method=flash >>>> >>>> You could have >>>> >>>> play.php?template_id=1&method=XML >>>> >>>> Which just returns the XML >>>> >>>> So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over >>>> time) >>>> >>>> Now where this could get interesting is you could make an >>>> XML remote method to change the file locations and host a >>>> single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content >>>> that way. A sort of xpert shop window >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Is that something end users would need to see, or is >>>> this tech stuff for an API call? >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These seem to work well in all browsers e.g. setting/changing the default using properties, using Ctrl + play and changing engine via url Two odd things I've noticed but not 100% sure if these are due to these particular changes: 1. There's now a white border around the Flash view of LO's (see screenshot 1 below) Not sure that's desirable. 2. In Firefox and IE (IE 10 in my case) Full screen and Fill Window seems to be constrained vertically where it isn't using the full height. This is most dramatic in Firefox. (see screenshots 2 & 3 below) HTH Ron Screenshot 1 Margin Screenshot 2 Fill Window Firefox Screenshot 3 Fill Window IE 10 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please try again, I inadvertently deleted some style properties of the Flash web page. Tom Op 14-4-2013 12:28, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > have tested some of this but not yet peer and export etc e.g. have > tested mostly the play options... > > These seem to work well in all browsers e.g. setting/changing the > default using properties, using Ctrl + play and changing engine via url > > Two odd things I've noticed but not 100% sure if these are due to > these particular changes: > > 1. There's now a white border around the Flash view of LO's (see > screenshot 1 below) Not sure that's desirable. > > 2. In Firefox and IE (IE 10 in my case) Full screen and Fill Window > seems to be constrained vertically where it isn't using the full > height. This is most dramatic in Firefox. (see screenshots 2 & 3 below) > > HTH > > Ron > > Screenshot 1 Margin > > Screenshot 2 Fill Window Firefox > > Screenshot 3 Fill Window IE 10 > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to > new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and > preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used > for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play > and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? > xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an > engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the > engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right > place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the > URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I > think that's something for developers to get at, rather > than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder > (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make > an XML remote method to change the file locations and > host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring > in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or > is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, > but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying > content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling > quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely > in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch > didn't work because that's not in > the patched or exported code yet > it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra > column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has > tried this yet but not quite > working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of > svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test > install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this > project with Javascript (a.k.a. > HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick > the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 > links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO > I get an empty window with failed > to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything new in > there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list > . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. > I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders > schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in the > engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is > site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other > (this is used by the wizard > when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would like > some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything > yet to modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) > and modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same > template files as export > does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the > engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 14 April 2013 12:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Hi Ron, Thanks for testing all this. Please try again, I inadvertently deleted some style properties of the Flash web page. Tom Op 14-4-2013 12:28, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom have tested some of this but not yet peer and export etc e.g. have tested mostly the play options... These seem to work well in all browsers e.g. setting/changing the default using properties, using Ctrl + play and changing engine via url Two odd things I've noticed but not 100% sure if these are due to these particular changes: 1. There's now a white border around the Flash view of LO's (see screenshot 1 below) Not sure that's desirable. 2. In Firefox and IE (IE 10 in my case) Full screen and Fill Window seems to be constrained vertically where it isn't using the full height. This is most dramatic in Firefox. (see screenshots 2 & 3 below) HTH Ron Screenshot 1 Margin Screenshot 2 Fill Window Firefox Screenshot 3 Fill Window IE 10 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I can sleep at peace tonight... ;-) Op 14-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > yep that's fixed it! > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 14 April 2013 12:18 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Hi Ron, > > Thanks for testing all this. Please try again, I inadvertently deleted > some style properties of the Flash web page. > > Tom > > Op 14-4-2013 12:28, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > have tested some of this but not yet peer and export etc e.g. have > tested mostly the play options... > > These seem to work well in all browsers e.g. setting/changing the > default using properties, using Ctrl + play and changing engine > via url > > Two odd things I've noticed but not 100% sure if these are due to > these particular changes: > > 1. There's now a white border around the Flash view of LO's (see > screenshot 1 below) Not sure that's desirable. > > 2. In Firefox and IE (IE 10 in my case) Full screen and Fill > Window seems to be constrained vertically where it isn't using the > full height. This is most dramatic in Firefox. (see screenshots 2 > & 3 below) > > HTH > > Ron > > Screenshot 1 Margin > > Screenshot 2 Fill Window Firefox > > Screenshot 3 Fill Window IE 10 > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect > to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play > and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and > used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for > play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose > an engine different than the author wanted, so > play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call > the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the > right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is > the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? > I think that's something for developers to get at, > rather than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root > folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could > make an XML remote method to change the file > locations and host a single engine at site x, and > dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of > xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, > or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT > files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for > displaying content for a module, XML could be > one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom > Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function > upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade > definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the > patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an > extra column on > templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else > has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy > of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost > test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is > the default engine to use for > this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or > tick the flash option > > When following the flash and > html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a > new LO I get an empty window > with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything > new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the > list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the > day. I'll send the patch to > Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame > is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use > engine=other (this is used > by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would > like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change > anything yet to > modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php > (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new > play > - Make use of the same > template files as > export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle > the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"play.php?engine=html5&template_id=" . $_REQUEST['template_id'] . $extraflags); Wondering in $extraflags is supposed to be $extraparams Also - should be toggle the redirect onto mod_rewrite URLS (play_560) as well (might help if cached) in modules/play.php does the logic at lines 61-74 stop XML from happening? Wondering what we need to do logically with website_code/php/url_library.php - could we modularise the play links? Hope this makes sense ? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:00:25 +0200 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Whatever is easiest for you, but perhaps the list is most convenient for others... Tom Op 13-4-2013 0:49, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Hi Tom, Cheers for doing all this - I feel like I'm being retired :) - found a few possible things that might not be quite right - not bugs, just logic stuff? Would you prefer me to add comments to the files and commit or maybe send them to the list? Pat Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [1] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 22:31, Tom Reijnders wrote: Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5'? in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don?t think that?s the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [3] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [4]] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 12 April 2013 14:19 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess ? Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from ? Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [5] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: Getting xml out. I think that?s what you mean, anyway? I think that?s something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [7] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [8]] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 12 April 2013 12:58 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess ? The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [9] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [11] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk [12]] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 12 April 2013 11:03 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess ? The play URL is now a sort of API ? So rather than? ? play.php?template_id=1&method=flash ? You could have? ? play.php?template_id=1&method=XML ? Which just returns the XML ? So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) ? Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [13] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? ? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [15] http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev [16] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [17] http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev [18] -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Links: ------ [1] http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [2] mailto:reijnders at tor.nl [3] mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [4] mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [5] http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [6] mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk [7] mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [8] mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [9] http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [10] mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk [11] mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [12] mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [13] http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [14] mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk [15] mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [16] http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev [17] mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [18] http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 15 09:36:43 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:36:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No. It will only enforce flash or javascript if $_REQUEST['engine'] == 'other'. Otherwise it will just use the value of $_REQUEST['engine']. As you can see xml is already implemented. > > Wondering what we need to do logically with > website_code/php/url_library.php - could we modularise the play links? How can we modularize further? > > Hope this makes sense > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Tom Reijnders" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:00:25 +0200 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > > Whatever is easiest for you, but perhaps the list is most > convenient for others... > > Tom > > Op 13-4-2013 0:49, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Hi Tom, > > Cheers for doing all this - I feel like I'm being retired :) - > found a few possible things that might not be quite right - > not bugs, just logic stuff? > > Would you prefer me to add comments to the files and commit or > maybe send them to the list? > > Pat > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 22:31, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large > commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/playphp and > preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) > redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for > the play and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play > and used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and > xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it > from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' > when Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview > and implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for > 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in > the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create > the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a > good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit > more effort to choose an engine different than the > author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will > we call the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML > as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't > think that's the right place for it, but I might > have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only > difference is the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, > anyway? I think that's something for > developers to get at, rather than end users to > get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the > root folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is > you could make an XML remote method to > change the file locations and host a > single engine at site x, and dynamically > bring in content that way. A sort of xpert > shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling > quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need > to see, or is this tech stuff for an > API call? > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 09:39:43 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:39:43 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516BBCCF.6050105@tor.nl> No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to > new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and > preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used > for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play > and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? > xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an > engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the > engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right > place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the > URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I > think that's something for developers to get at, rather > than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder > (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make > an XML remote method to change the file locations and > host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring > in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or > is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, > but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying > content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling > quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely > in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch > didn't work because that's not in > the patched or exported code yet > it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra > column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has > tried this yet but not quite > working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of > svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test > install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this > project with Javascript (a.k.a. > HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick > the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 > links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO > I get an empty window with failed > to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything new in > there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list > . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. > I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders > schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in the > engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is > site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other > (this is used by the wizard > when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would like > some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything > yet to modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) > and modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same > template files as export > does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the > engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[we must be able to think of a good name for the site template...] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 09:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders < reijnders at tor.nl> wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell < ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 09:55:00 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:55:00 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BBCCF.6050105@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516BC064.6000607@tor.nl> That's a good one. Don't know by heart. Let me check. Op 15-4-2013 10:43, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is the site template (here we are again with a name nightmare) get > setup, or do I need to tweak basic.sql? > > [we must be able to think of a good name for the site template...] > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 09:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. > > Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect > to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play > and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and > used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for > play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose > an engine different than the author wanted, so > play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call > the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the > right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is > the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? > I think that's something for developers to get at, > rather than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root > folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could > make an XML remote method to change the file > locations and host a single engine at site x, and > dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of > xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, > or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT > files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for > displaying content for a module, XML could be > one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom > Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function > upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade > definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the > patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an > extra column on > templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else > has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy > of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost > test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is > the default engine to use for > this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or > tick the flash option > > When following the flash and > html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a > new LO I get an empty window > with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything > new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the > list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the > day. I'll send the patch to > Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame > is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use > engine=other (this is used > by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would > like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change > anything yet to > modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php > (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new > play > - Make use of the same > template files as > export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle > the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 10:06:05 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:06:05 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BBCCF.6050105@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516BC2FD.5000208@tor.nl> It was NOT setup correctly (framework was still xerte i.s.o. site). Now it is. Tom Op 15-4-2013 10:43, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is the site template (here we are again with a name nightmare) get > setup, or do I need to tweak basic.sql? > > [we must be able to think of a good name for the site template...] > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 09:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. > > Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect > to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play > and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and > used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for > play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose > an engine different than the author wanted, so > play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call > the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the > right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is > the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? > I think that's something for developers to get at, > rather than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root > folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could > make an XML remote method to change the file > locations and host a single engine at site x, and > dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of > xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, > or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT > files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for > displaying content for a module, XML could be > one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom > Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function > upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade > definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the > patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an > extra column on > templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else > has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy > of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost > test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is > the default engine to use for > this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or > tick the flash option > > When following the flash and > html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a > new LO I get an empty window > with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything > new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the > list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the > day. I'll send the patch to > Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame > is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use > engine=other (this is used > by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would > like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change > anything yet to > modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php > (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new > play > - Make use of the same > template files as > export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle > the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 15 10:12:26 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <516BC2FD.5000208@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BBCCF.6050105@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BC2FD.5000208@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23C3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Cheers, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 10:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess It was NOT setup correctly (framework was still xerte i.s.o. site). Now it is. Tom Op 15-4-2013 10:43, Julian Tenney schreef: Is the site template (here we are again with a name nightmare) get setup, or do I need to tweak basic.sql? [we must be able to think of a good name for the site template...] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 09:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 15 10:26:17 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:26:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <516BC064.6000607@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BBCCF.6050105@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BC064.6000607@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23C6C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Tom, this is absolutely brilliant, thank you so much for all the work you've put into this, I'm knocked out. Do you think we should show the whole URL for the alternative player in the Project tab? It always has the html5 stub - should it offer the flash version if html5 is selected? Should we be consistent in the language used: the option you tick is 'JavaScript (aka HTML5)', later you refer to HTML 5. I'm thinking that this is martian to some people... also, maybe some explanation, along the lines of HTML5: Compatible with all devices. Unless you need to deploy to Flash, use this version. Flash: Not compatible with iPads, iPhones and some Android tablets and phones. This version is being phased out. Or similar? The iFrame code isn't quite large enough in firefox when you embed... [cid:image001.png at 01CE39C3.A9C6FF40] I'll pipe up with anything else I find, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 09:55 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess That's a good one. Don't know by heart. Let me check. Op 15-4-2013 10:43, Julian Tenney schreef: Is the site template (here we are again with a name nightmare) get setup, or do I need to tweak basic.sql? [we must be able to think of a good name for the site template...] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 09:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 80221 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 10:54:12 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:54:12 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23C6C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BA0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BBCCF.6050105@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23BB1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BC064.6000607@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23C6C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516BCE44.2000000@tor.nl> Op 15-4-2013 11:26, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Tom, this is absolutely brilliant, thank you so much for all the work > you've put into this, I'm knocked out. > > Do you think we should show the whole URL for the alternative player > in the Project tab? > Don't know. I dodn't change it yet, but honestly I think we should leave that out completely rather then showing it. > > It always has the html5 stub -- should it offer the flash version if > html5 is selected? > Yes, if we decide to keep the link to the alternative player in there, absolutely. > Should we be consistent in the language used: the option you tick is > 'JavaScript (aka HTML5)', later you refer to HTML 5. I'm thinking that > this is martian to some people... also, maybe some explanation, along > the lines of > > HTML5: Compatible with all devices. Unless you need to deploy to > Flash, use this version. > > Flash: Not compatible with iPads, iPhones and some Android tablets > and phones. This version is being phased out. > > Or similar? > Agree, but then we should take the time to check it everywhere, and I didn't do that yet. > > The iFrame code isn't quite large enough in firefox when you embed... > Yes, I noticed that as well. I'll check. > > I'll pipe up with anything else I find, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 09:55 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > That's a good one. Don't know by heart. Let me check. > > Op 15-4-2013 10:43, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is the site template (here we are again with a name nightmare) get > setup, or do I need to tweak basic.sql? > > [we must be able to think of a good name for the site template...] > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 09:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > No. The changes are already in basic.sql as well. > > Op 15-4-2013 10:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I do a clean xampp install, do I then need to run upgrade.php? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large > commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) > redirect to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the > play and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and > used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf > (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different > location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' > or shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the > code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good > idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more > effort to choose an engine different than the author > wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we > call the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as > an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think > that's the right place for it, but I might have > misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only > difference is the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, > anyway? I think that's something for developers to > get at, rather than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root > folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you > could make an XML remote method to change the > file locations and host a single engine at > site x, and dynamically bring in content that > way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to > see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and > htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT > files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for > displaying content for a module, XML could > be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling > quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more > specific? Last time I checked I still > wasn't a mind reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play > option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom > Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function > upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron > Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade > definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of > the patch didn't work > because that's not in the > patched or exported code > yet it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an > extra column on > templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone > else has tried this yet > but not quite working for > me... > > 1. Applied patch to local > copy of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a > localhost test install > > I can see new options in > the properties panel e.g. > what is the default engine > to use for this project > with Javascript (a.k.a. > HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or > tick the flash option > > When following the flash > and html5 links I get an > empty wondow > > and when trying to create > a new LO I get an empty > window with failed to > create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but > there doesn't seem to be > anything new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to > the list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback > but where do I get the > patch? 752 looks like > Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of > the day. I'll send the > patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 > (or play_4). It will > show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte > in the engine set by > the user > 2. if the > template_frame is site > using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific > engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use > engine=other (this is > used by the wizard > when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same > for peer.php, but > first would like some > feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, > Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change > anything yet to > modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php > (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made > play_html5.php > (root) redirect to > new play > - Make use of the > same template > files as export > does for the play > and preview > - Make wizard > toggle the engine > on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its > own module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a while since I > looked at this project -- and it used to work ... > > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 > > See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: heacedei.png Type: image/png Size: 105594 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 15 14:17:42 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:17:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? In-Reply-To: <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It's not working here: [cid:image001.png at 01CE39E3.FE605A90] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? [cid:image002.png at 01CE39E3.FE605A90] Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since I looked at this project - and it used to work ... http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 103856 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s a while since I looked at this project ? and it used to work ? http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Apr 15 14:22:38 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:22:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <028801ce39dc$4e14afd0$ea3e0f70$@co.uk> No doesn't seem to be working on older installs either so not due to the latest code. Wondering if the problem lies with Tom's latex site? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:08 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since I looked at this project - and it used to work . http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Apr 15 14:23:46 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:23:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <028d01ce39dc$77070460$65150d20$@co.uk> Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It's not working here: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since I looked at this project - and it used to work . http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 103856 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a while since I > looked at this project -- and it used to work ... > > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 > > See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Mon Apr 15 14:23:34 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:23:34 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? In-Reply-To: References: , , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: Tom can see it but external world gets 500 server error.Screwup in the NATS table maybe? From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? 500 error at xerte.tor.nl. From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:08:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 15 14:32:05 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:32:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access it from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, now you've done all the modular stuff? [this should be easy, now, right?] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Not working here either. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:18 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > It's not working here: > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:15 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is latex working elsewhere? > > Hi Julian > > Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since > I looked at this project -- and it used to work ... > > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 > > See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still pointing to the old IP address for me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It's not working here: [cid:image001.png at 01CE39E7.5483DE80] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? [cid:image002.png at 01CE39E7.5483DE80] Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 105594 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 14:42:57 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:42:57 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516C03E1.1090801@tor.nl> How do you install it? At the moment, it doesn't show a published url for me. Don't know why not. I need to investigate that. But you should be able to run play.php?template_id=<##> just like xerte. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:32, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access it > from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, now > you've done all the modular stuff? > > [this should be easy, now, right?] > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to > new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and > preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used > for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play > and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? > xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an > engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the > engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right > place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the > URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I > think that's something for developers to get at, rather > than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder > (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could make > an XML remote method to change the file locations and > host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring > in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, or > is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, > but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for displaying > content for a module, XML could be one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling > quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade definitely > in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the patch > didn't work because that's not in > the patched or exported code yet > it is in basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an extra > column on templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else has > tried this yet but not quite > working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy of > svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost test > install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is the > default engine to use for this > project with Javascript (a.k.a. > HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or tick > the flash option > > When following the flash and html5 > links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a new LO > I get an empty window with failed > to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything new in > there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the list > . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules > and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the day. > I'll send the patch to Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders > schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in the > engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame is > site using modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use engine=other > (this is used by the wizard > when Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would like > some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change anything > yet to modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php (root) > and modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new play > - Make use of the same > template files as export > does for the play and preview > - Make wizard toggle the > engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any idea when it will be back up? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:41 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. > > Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still > pointing to the old IP address for me. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Tom > > Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Not working here either. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:18 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > It's not working here: > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:15 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is latex working elsewhere? > > Hi Julian > > Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while > since I looked at this project -- and it used to work ... > > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 > > See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I get a publish URL (localhost/xertetoolkits/play.php?template_id=1) , but a blank page (no source code) when I run it From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How do you install it? At the moment, it doesn't show a published url for me. Don't know why not. I need to investigate that. But you should be able to run play.php?template_id=<##> just like xerte. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:32, Julian Tenney schreef: If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access it from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, now you've done all the modular stuff? [this should be easy, now, right?] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. 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No. They didn't even warn me of the move. Possibly they move from BSD to Linux, and than I have a porblem... I need to reinstall LaTex then. I think I'll move this functionallity to the same server as the community website. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:41, Julian Tenney schreef: It's OK. Any idea when it will be back up? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still pointing to the old IP address for me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It's not working here: [cid:image001.png at 01CE39E9.81E0F550] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? [cid:image002.png at 01CE39E9.81E0F550] Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since I looked at this project - and it used to work ... http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E9F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <028d01ce39dc$77070460$65150d20$@co.uk> <516C0355.4080808@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E79@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516C046B.6030109@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E9F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516C080F.5010904@tor.nl> Ehmm no, as long as I make sure that after the move, I'll point 'xerte.tor.nl' to the new server. Op 15-4-2013 15:57, Julian Tenney schreef: > > That will break existing pieces? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:45 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > No. They didn't even warn me of the move. > > Possibly they move from BSD to Linux, and than I have a porblem... I > need to reinstall LaTex then. > > I think I'll move this functionallity to the same server as the > community website. > > Tom > > Op 15-4-2013 15:41, Julian Tenney schreef: > > It's OK. Any idea when it will be back up? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:41 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. > > Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's > still pointing to the old IP address for me. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Tom > > Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Not working here either. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:18 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > It's not working here: > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:15 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Is latex working elsewhere? > > Hi Julian > > Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a > while since I looked at this project -- and it used to > work ... > > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 > > See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <516C080F.5010904@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <028d01ce39dc$77070460$65150d20$@co.uk> <516C0355.4080808@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E79@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516C046B.6030109@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E9F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516C080F.5010904@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 15:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Ehmm no, as long as I make sure that after the move, I'll point 'xerte.tor.nl' to the new server. Op 15-4-2013 15:57, Julian Tenney schreef: That will break existing pieces? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? No. They didn't even warn me of the move. Possibly they move from BSD to Linux, and than I have a porblem... I need to reinstall LaTex then. I think I'll move this functionallity to the same server as the community website. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:41, Julian Tenney schreef: It's OK. Any idea when it will be back up? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still pointing to the old IP address for me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It's not working here: [cid:image001.png at 01CE39EA.1B65A5E0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? [cid:image002.png at 01CE39EA.1B65A5E0] Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 105594 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 15:02:51 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:02:51 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516C03E1.1090801@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516C088B.2050905@tor.nl> Yes, I forgot to commit one file Sorry about that. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:47, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In basic.sql I turned the last 0 to 1 in the bit that sets up the > template, so it's active... > > I get a publish URL (localhost/xertetoolkits/play.php?template_id=1) , > but a blank page (no source code) when I run it > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:43 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How do you install it? > > At the moment, it doesn't show a published url for me. Don't know why > not. I need to investigate that. > > But you should be able to run play.php?template_id=<##> just like xerte. > > Tom > > Op 15-4-2013 15:32, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access > it from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, > now you've done all the modular stuff? > > [this should be easy, now, right?] > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect > to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play > and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and > used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for > play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose > an engine different than the author wanted, so > play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call > the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the > right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is > the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? > I think that's something for developers to get at, > rather than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root > folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could > make an XML remote method to change the file > locations and host a single engine at site x, and > dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of > xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, > or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT > files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for > displaying content for a module, XML could be > one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom > Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function > upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade > definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the > patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an > extra column on > templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else > has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy > of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost > test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is > the default engine to use for > this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or > tick the flash option > > When following the flash and > html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a > new LO I get an empty window > with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything > new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the > list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the > day. I'll send the patch to > Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame > is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use > engine=other (this is used > by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would > like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change > anything yet to > modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php > (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new > play > - Make use of the same > template files as > export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle > the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. I'll play on.... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 15:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Yes, I forgot to commit one file Sorry about that. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:47, Julian Tenney schreef: In basic.sql I turned the last 0 to 1 in the bit that sets up the template, so it's active... I get a publish URL (localhost/xertetoolkits/play.php?template_id=1) , but a blank page (no source code) when I run it From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How do you install it? At the moment, it doesn't show a published url for me. Don't know why not. I need to investigate that. But you should be able to run play.php?template_id=<##> just like xerte. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:32, Julian Tenney schreef: If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access it from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, now you've done all the modular stuff? [this should be easy, now, right?] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 15 15:28:51 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:28:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <99e3df70-81e3-4b76-83f9-08057f11e7d3@email.android.com> <041701ce36ba$6cdd4320$4697c960$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516C03E1.1090801@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EE0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Nearly there: the paths are incorrect in $template_path_string when using the site template, so the scripts aren't loading up properly... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In basic.sql I turned the last 0 to 1 in the bit that sets up the template, so it's active... I get a publish URL (localhost/xertetoolkits/play.php?template_id=1) , but a blank page (no source code) when I run it From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess How do you install it? At the moment, it doesn't show a published url for me. Don't know why not. I need to investigate that. But you should be able to run play.php?template_id=<##> just like xerte. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:32, Julian Tenney schreef: If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access it from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, now you've done all the modular stuff? [this should be easy, now, right?] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 12 April 2013 22:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and used for export - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when Ctr+Play is clicked - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and implement for javascript engine as well - Move site to its own module dir - Changed basic.sql - updates upgrade.php Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: Some questions, before I commit, 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or shall I commit site for the moment? 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? javascript? xenith? Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose an engine different than the author wanted, so play_560?engine=html5) Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call the engines? I prefer flash/javascript Tom Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 14:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is the URL changes from Xml_560 to Play_xml_560 Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > wrote: Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? I think that's something for developers to get at, rather than end users to get confused about, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 12:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The first or second bit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 11:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess The play URL is now a sort of API So rather than play.php?template_id=1&method=flash You could have play.php?template_id=1&method=XML Which just returns the XML So you cold retire the XML page from the root folder (over time) Now where this could get interesting is you could make an XML remote method to change the file locations and host a single engine at site x, and dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of xpert shop window Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > wrote: Is that something end users would need to see, or is this tech stuff for an API call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 12 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess At the moment XML is a link option for XOT files, but all it does is return the XML. As we now have different methods for displaying content for a module, XML could be one of those? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind reader.... :-) Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Tom, Thoughts on making XML into a play option? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Yes definitely. Added function upgrade_4() Tom Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell schreef: Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch? If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Strange. Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called extra_flags. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Cheers got it! I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working for me... 1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code 2. Exported patched version 3. Dropped over a localhost test install I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked But I can't untick that or tick the flash option When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to create new template I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there? HTH Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I've just sent it on... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it. Ron Mitchell > schreef: Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian. Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef: As an addition: Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show : 1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user 2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine. Some is true for preview. You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed) I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-) Tom Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef: Almost finished. I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and preview - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click - Move site to its own module dir _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 15 15:44:13 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:44:13 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EE0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <03f401ce36b5$b33ef070$19bcd150$@co.uk> <51672290.7020908@tor.nl> <24E779DF-5B77-414A-B06C-A32E3635AED3@pgogywebstuff.com> <5167AA90.40202@tor.nl> <31C9468F-4113-47F9-8CEF-C23DA3594681@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCBBB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <4E13EA4A-9BCB-4862-A5A2-9E39A83134CC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCC6B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <078103D9-4213-4712-AE6F-7C7108807D30@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F9FCD64@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <37274C73-4F1B-4A8D-96C0-B0ABEA8AF783@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51682292.7050303@tor.nl> <51687D26.7090909@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E65@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516C03E1.1090801@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E87@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EE0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516C123D.6000604@tor.nl> Fixed that one. (in modules/site/play.php) Op 15-4-2013 16:28, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Nearly there: the paths are incorrect in $template_path_string when > using the site template, so the scripts aren't loading up properly... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:47 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > In basic.sql I turned the last 0 to 1 in the bit that sets up the > template, so it's active... > > I get a publish URL (localhost/xertetoolkits/play.php?template_id=1) , > but a blank page (no source code) when I run it > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 15 April 2013 14:43 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > How do you install it? > > At the moment, it doesn't show a published url for me. Don't know why > not. I need to investigate that. > > But you should be able to run play.php?template_id=<##> just like xerte. > > Tom > > Op 15-4-2013 15:32, Julian Tenney schreef: > > If I install the site template, I can't play it, nor can I access > it from the published URL: what do I have to do to make it work, > now you've done all the modular stuff? > > [this should be easy, now, right?] > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 22:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Everything has just been committed. This is a fairly large commit > (758). Don't forget to execute upgrade.php!! > > - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview > - Make play_html5.php (root) and preview_html5.php (root) redirect > to new play > - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play > and preview > - Get rid of difference between rloObject.js used for play and > used for export > - Only one location for MainPreloader.swf and xmlEngine.swf (for > play and export, export used to copy it from a different location) > - Modified wizard to call preview.php with 'engine=other' when > Ctr+Play is clicked > - Make peer.php use the same templates as play and preview and > implement for javascript engine as well > - Move site to its own module dir > - Changed basic.sql > - updates upgrade.php > > Op 12-4-2013 17:04, Tom Reijnders schreef: > > Some questions, before I commit, > > 1. Julian, do you already have a different name for 'site' or > shall I commit site for the moment? > 2. Do we have consensus over the engine name? html5? > javascript? xenith? > > Now I have 'html5' in the GUI, but 'javascript' in the code, > because I think that is better w.r.t. flash. > > The major reason I ask is that if we want to create the > play_html5_560 play_flash_560 (not sure that's a good idea, I > prefer that people have to put in a bit more effort to choose > an engine different than the author wanted, so > play_560?engine=html5) > > Still even if we leave it at the engine=.... what will we call > the engines? > > I prefer flash/javascript > > Tom > > > Op 12-4-2013 16:48, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Oh, OK, sorry I was thinking you wanted to add XML as an > option to the runtime dropdown. I don't think that's the > right place for it, but I might have misunderstood, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 14:19 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > Well the tab is there for everyone, the only difference is > the URL changes from > > Xml_560 to > > Play_xml_560 > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 13:49, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Getting xml out. I think that's what you mean, anyway? > I think that's something for developers to get at, > rather than end users to get confused about, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 12:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The first or second bit > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 11:37, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > This sounds like a rabbit hole for now, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 11:03 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > The play URL is now a sort of API > > So rather than > > play.php?template_id=1&method=flash > > You could have > > play.php?template_id=1&method=XML > > Which just returns the XML > > So you cold retire the XML page from the root > folder (over time) > > Now where this could get interesting is you could > make an XML remote method to change the file > locations and host a single engine at site x, and > dynamically bring in content that way. A sort of > xpert shop window > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:08, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > Is that something end users would need to see, > or is this tech stuff for an API call? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 12 April 2013 08:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess > > At the moment XML is a link option for XOT > files, but all it does is return the XML. > > As we now have different methods for > displaying content for a module, XML could be > one of those? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:32, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Ehmmm... could you be a bit more specific? > Last time I checked I still wasn't a mind > reader.... :-) > > Op 12-4-2013 0:28, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > > Tom, > > Thoughts on making XML into a play option? > > Pgogy Webstuff - > http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to > middling quality > > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:52, Tom > Reijnders > wrote: > > Yes definitely. Added function > upgrade_4() > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell > schreef: > > Was the correct upgrade > definitely in the patch? > > If it was my applying of the > patch didn't work because > that's not in the patched or > exported code yet it is in > basic.sql > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 14:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Strange. > > Upgrade should give you an > extra column on > templatedetails called > extra_flags. > > > > > > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Cheers got it! > > I'm not sure if anyone else > has tried this yet but not > quite working for me... > > 1. Applied patch to local copy > of svn code > > 2. Exported patched version > > 3. Dropped over a localhost > test install > > I can see new options in the > properties panel e.g. what is > the default engine to use for > this project with Javascript > (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked > > But I can't untick that or > tick the flash option > > When following the flash and > html5 links I get an empty wondow > > and when trying to create a > new LO I get an empty window > with failed to create new template > > I ran upgrade.php but there > doesn't seem to be anything > new in there? > > HTH > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 13:10 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I've just sent it on... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 12:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > Didn't want to send It to the > list . Julian has it. > > Ron Mitchell > > > schreef: > > Happy to test and feedback but > where do I get the patch? 752 > looks like Fay's update. > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 11 April 2013 11:08 > *To:* For Xerte technical > developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: > Modules and htaccess > > I am off-line the rest of the > day. I'll send the patch to > Julian. > > Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > As an addition: > > Now you can just use > play.php&template_id=4 (or > play_4). It will show : > 1. if the > template_frame=xerte in > the engine set by the user > 2. if the template_frame > is site using > modules/site/play.php > > Also, you can use > play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash > or > play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript > to force a specific engine. > > Some is true for preview. > > You can also use > engine=other (this is used > by the wizard when > Ctlr+Play is pressed) > > I have to do the same for > peer.php, but first would > like some feedback ;-) > > Tom > > Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom > Reijnders schreef: > > Almost finished. > > I didn't change > anything yet to > modularize the > properties page > > - Changed play.php > (root) and > modules/xerte/play.php > and preview > - Made play_html5.php > (root) redirect to new > play > - Make use of the same > template files as > export does for the > play and preview > - Make wizard toggle > the engine on Ctrl-click > - Move site to its own > module dir > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <028801ce39dc$4e14afd0$ea3e0f70$@co.uk> Message-ID: ?Dearest Pigeons, Meet cat - http://www.mathjax.org/ or http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/changes.html Thank you Pat Head in charge of destroying flash :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Mon Apr 15 17:40:55 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:40:55 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <028d01ce39dc$77070460$65150d20$@co.uk> <516C0355.4080808@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E79@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516C046B.6030109@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E9F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516C080F.5010904@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Seems to be back up. From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:01:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? OK, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 15:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Ehmm no, as long as I make sure that after the move, I'll point 'xerte.tor.nl' to the new server.Op 15-4-2013 15:57, Julian Tenney schreef:That will break existing pieces? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? No. They didn't even warn me of the move. Possibly they move from BSD to Linux, and than I have a porblem... I need to reinstall LaTex then. I think I'll move this functionallity to the same server as the community website. TomOp 15-4-2013 15:41, Julian Tenney schreef:It?s OK. Any idea when it will be back up? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still pointing to the old IP address for me. Sorry for the inconvenience. TomOp 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef:Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It?s not working here: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef:Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It?s a while since I looked at this project ? and it used to work ? http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom ReijndersTOR InformaticaChopinlaan 275242HM RosmalenTel: 073 5226191Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom ReijndersTOR InformaticaChopinlaan 275242HM RosmalenTel: 073 5226191Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom ReijndersTOR InformaticaChopinlaan 275242HM RosmalenTel: 073 5226191Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom ReijndersTOR InformaticaChopinlaan 275242HM RosmalenTel: 073 5226191Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <028d01ce39dc$77070460$65150d20$@co.uk> <516C0355.4080808@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E79@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516C046B.6030109@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E9F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516C080F.5010904@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <035f01ce3a00$c53d4120$4fb7c360$@co.uk> Yep working here now too! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 15 April 2013 17:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Seems to be back up. _____ From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:01:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? OK, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 15:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Ehmm no, as long as I make sure that after the move, I'll point 'xerte.tor.nl' to the new server. Op 15-4-2013 15:57, Julian Tenney schreef: That will break existing pieces? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? No. They didn't even warn me of the move. Possibly they move from BSD to Linux, and than I have a porblem... I need to reinstall LaTex then. I think I'll move this functionallity to the same server as the community website. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:41, Julian Tenney schreef: It's OK. Any idea when it will be back up? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still pointing to the old IP address for me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It's not working here: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since I looked at this project - and it used to work . http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > Hello, > > Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as > it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each > had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). > > Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" > > Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). > > I am happy to do it > > Pat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 09:05:17 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:05:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module In-Reply-To: <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> References: <880c50916d1236ad24bcb8ef55746a16fb5894dd@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24037@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Er, no, it doesn't use any Xerte files, other than the xwd for the wizard. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 16 April 2013 07:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module Hi Pat, I agree with you. The module should not depend on xerte files. That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 09:09:48 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:09:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation In-Reply-To: <72a8009e4ef004c4975e07297b477a3922abf32e@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <72a8009e4ef004c4975e07297b477a3922abf32e@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24040@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Might be neater, or a docs folder? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 16 April 2013 01:21 To: For technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] documentation the lti, moodle readme and the docx and pdf - should we move them into the setup folder? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <035f01ce3a00$c53d4120$4fb7c360$@co.uk> References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E3A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516BFD6C.1040905@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <028d01ce39dc$77070460$65150d20$@co.uk> <516C0355.4080808@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E79@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516C046B.6030109@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23E9F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <516C080F.5010904@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB23EA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <035f01ce3a00$c53d4120$4fb7c360$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24045@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> coolio From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 April 2013 18:44 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Yep working here now too! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: 15 April 2013 17:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Seems to be back up. ________________________________ From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:01:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? OK, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 15:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Ehmm no, as long as I make sure that after the move, I'll point 'xerte.tor.nl' to the new server. Op 15-4-2013 15:57, Julian Tenney schreef: That will break existing pieces? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? No. They didn't even warn me of the move. Possibly they move from BSD to Linux, and than I have a porblem... I need to reinstall LaTex then. I think I'll move this functionallity to the same server as the community website. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:41, Julian Tenney schreef: It's OK. Any idea when it will be back up? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It looks like they are moving the servers at the provider. Can't do much at the moment. It's working for me, because it's still pointing to the old IP address for me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Op 15-4-2013 15:23, Ron Mitchell schreef: Not working here either. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 15 April 2013 14:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? It's not working here: [cid:image001.png at 01CE3A82.4729BC00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 15 April 2013 14:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? [cid:image002.png at 01CE3A82.4729BC00] Op 15-4-2013 15:08, Julian Tenney schreef: Is latex working elsewhere? Hi Julian Do you know what I might be doing wrong here? It's a while since I looked at this project - and it used to work ... http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_1557 See page 5 for an example (but lots of others throughout). _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Pat Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 09:06:18 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:06:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module In-Reply-To: <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> References: <880c50916d1236ad24bcb8ef55746a16fb5894dd@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> Message-ID: <65D764B1-8F7E-4D86-BB0B-A37B8DC3C8F1@pgogywebstuff.com> Morning, First - the button stuff is awesome. So impressed. So I will make the site module into a self contained module later on Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 07:37, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Hi Pat, > > I agree with you. The module should not depend on xerte files. That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. > > Tom > > Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: >> Hello, >> >> Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). >> >> Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" >> >> Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). >> >> I am happy to do it >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 09:20:47 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:20:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24037@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <880c50916d1236ad24bcb8ef55746a16fb5894dd@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24037@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12FEFE10-74A7-4B37-A7FE-2C0F447B1379@pgogywebstuff.com> It uses the language files and the wizard files The problem is if I delete or remove xerte then site would stop working Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney wrote: > Er, no, it doesn?t use any Xerte files, other than the xwd for the wizard. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 16 April 2013 07:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module > > Hi Pat, > > I agree with you. 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That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. > > Tom > > Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > Hello, > > Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). > > Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" > > Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). > > I am happy to do it > > Pat > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The flash export plays fine but the html 5 e.g. index.htm doesn't - it flashes up the interface momentarily then disappears This seems to be down to where it looks for xttracking_noop.js The exported index.htm looks for it in the root folder of the exported lo whereas in the export it resides in the js folder so it seems in index.htm it should be instead of I'd make and commit the change required but to be honest I'm not sure where that index.htm resides or is it created dynamically? Can someone else make and commit the change? HTH Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 09:32:00 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:32:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? In-Reply-To: References: <028801ce39dc$4e14afd0$ea3e0f70$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24077@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Clean xampp install? Any ideas? I wanted to use this today?. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3A85.3EE3A210] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 15 April 2013 17:26 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? Dearest Pigeons, Meet cat - http://www.mathjax.org/ or http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/changes.html Thank you Pat Head in charge of destroying flash :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation Docs folder works me It's noticeable we have a lot of it now and perhaps best not to tell people to go in the root for stuff Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:09, Julian Tenney > wrote: Might be neater, or a docs folder? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 16 April 2013 01:21 To: For technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] documentation the lti, moodle readme and the docx and pdf - should we move them into the setup folder? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 09:33:39 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:33:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: path to xttracking_noop.js In-Reply-To: <041101ce3a7b$694597c0$3bd0c740$@co.uk> References: <03fa01ce3a7b$2fa69dc0$8ef3d940$@co.uk> <041101ce3a7b$694597c0$3bd0c740$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2407D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Has the problem with messages overlapping gone away? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 16 April 2013 09:22 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: path to xttracking_noop.js Wow! That's the fastest ever one of my messages go through to this list! ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 16 April 2013 09:20 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] path to xttracking_noop.js Hi all I noticed this previously so it's not due to the changes over the last 24 hrs but still applies with the latest code... I just updated an install with the latest svn code and exported an archive LO with both the flash and html5 options ticked. The flash export plays fine but the html 5 e.g. index.htm doesn't - it flashes up the interface momentarily then disappears This seems to be down to where it looks for xttracking_noop.js The exported index.htm looks for it in the root folder of the exported lo whereas in the export it resides in the js folder so it seems in index.htm it should be instead of I'd make and commit the change required but to be honest I'm not sure where that index.htm resides or is it created dynamically? Can someone else make and commit the change? HTH Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Mitchell schreef: >Hi all > >I noticed this previously so it's not due to the changes over the last >24 >hrs but still applies with the latest code... > > > >I just updated an install with the latest svn code and exported an >archive >LO with both the flash and html5 options ticked. > > > >The flash export plays fine but the html 5 e.g. index.htm doesn't - it >flashes up the interface momentarily then disappears > > > >This seems to be down to where it looks for xttracking_noop.js > > > >The exported index.htm looks for it in the root folder of the exported >lo >whereas in the export it resides in the js folder > > > >so it seems in index.htm it should be > > > >instead of > > > > > >I'd make and commit the change required but to be honest I'm not sure >where >that index.htm resides or is it created dynamically? > > > >Can someone else make and commit the change? > > > >HTH > >Ron > > >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module It uses the language files and the wizard files The problem is if I delete or remove xerte then site would stop working Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney > wrote: Er, no, it doesn?t use any Xerte files, other than the xwd for the wizard. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 16 April 2013 07:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module Hi Pat, I agree with you. The module should not depend on xerte files. That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. Tom Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 16 April 2013 09:44 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation I'd suggest the folder is named documentation rather than just docs From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation Docs folder works me It's noticeable we have a lot of it now and perhaps best not to tell people to go in the root for stuff Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:09, Julian Tenney > wrote: Might be neater, or a docs folder? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 16 April 2013 01:21 To: For technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] documentation the lti, moodle readme and the docx and pdf - should we move them into the setup folder? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 16 April 2013 09:44 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation I'd suggest the folder is named documentation rather than just docs From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation Docs folder works me It's noticeable we have a lot of it now and perhaps best not to tell people to go in the root for stuff Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:09, Julian Tenney wrote: Might be neater, or a docs folder? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 16 April 2013 01:21 To: For technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] documentation the lti, moodle readme and the docx and pdf - should we move them into the setup folder? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 09:53:27 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:53:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure Message-ID: Yes, take a look at index.php where most of the filter hooks I've added exist Line 136 : apply_filters('page_title', INDEX_WORKSPACE_TITLE); And in plugins.php, at the bottom, there are some helper functions wrapping the do_actions do_action("head_start"); These names are not defined anywhere yet but if they matchup with a function in the plugins folder then they will fire... Actions are of limited value just now but if you passed in an array of names and functions, such as for property page then you could remove or augment if desired... Or do string manipulations... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Hello, How do I add new events for people to add hooks and filters too? Same was as WordPress? Thanks Pat Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 10:06:50 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm still trying to come up with a good use for this at the moment - beyond the stuff that's demoed in the example plugins... Moving core functionality into plugins is another possibility, similar to what Wordpress does but then there would be some groundwork to do to create a plugin manager to install, manage dependencies etc... just now changing the plugin extension to/from .php is equivalent to enable/disable... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:53 AM To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure Yes, take a look at index.php where most of the filter hooks I've added exist Line 136 : apply_filters('page_title', INDEX_WORKSPACE_TITLE); And in plugins.php, at the bottom, there are some helper functions wrapping the do_actions do_action("head_start"); These names are not defined anywhere yet but if they matchup with a function in the plugins folder then they will fire... Actions are of limited value just now but if you passed in an array of names and functions, such as for property page then you could remove or augment if desired... Or do string manipulations... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Hello, How do I add new events for people to add hooks and filters too? Same was as WordPress? Thanks Pat Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 10:16:12 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:16:12 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Message-ID: Hi, Might be something I've overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site - /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue... in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup... Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the "XAMPP INSTALL" button to allow multiple installs? 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 10:19:20 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:19:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I've overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site - /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue... in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup... Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the "XAMPP INSTALL" button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 10:26:49 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:26:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I just wouldn't mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I've done works across the board... Not sure if it's as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I've overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site - /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue... in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup... Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the "XAMPP INSTALL" button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 16 10:54:58 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:54:58 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <049e01ce3a88$7563c880$602b5980$@co.uk> The xampp install buton is evil! ;-) Just use the full install option and choose your own database name. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs I just wouldn't mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I've done works across the board. Not sure if it's as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I've overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site - /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue. in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup. Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the "XAMPP INSTALL" button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 11:31:59 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:31:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: But the xampp install is for noobs! Just do a full install? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:19, Julian Tenney wrote: > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:06, "Smith, John" wrote: > I'm still trying to come up with a good use for this at the moment - beyond the stuff that's demoed in the example plugins... > > Moving core functionality into plugins is another possibility, similar to what Wordpress does but then there would be some groundwork to do to create a plugin manager to install, manage dependencies etc... just now changing the plugin extension to/from .php is equivalent to enable/disable... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:53 AM > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure > > Yes, take a look at index.php where most of the filter hooks I've added exist > > Line 136 : apply_filters('page_title', INDEX_WORKSPACE_TITLE); > > And in plugins.php, at the bottom, there are some helper functions wrapping the do_actions > > do_action("head_start"); > > These names are not defined anywhere yet but if they matchup with a function in the plugins folder then they will fire... > > Actions are of limited value just now but if you passed in an array of names and functions, such as for property page then you could remove or augment if desired... Or do string manipulations... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Hello, > > How do I add new events for people to add hooks and filters too? > > Same was as WordPress? > > Thanks > > Pat > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 11:36:56 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:36:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. Let me mangle something tonight Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" wrote: > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 11:48:35 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:48:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes. The full install is good when you are setting up an actual site but a bit lengthy. XAMPP button is great to do a quick setup when you don?t need to configure anything. Even a randomly generated database name or table prefix would be ideal just to ensure that each install is separate? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:37 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. Let me mangle something tonight Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 11:52:11 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:52:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure In-Reply-To: <33E8CA58-23B5-44C9-B354-08DC2D9C4B21@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <33E8CA58-23B5-44C9-B354-08DC2D9C4B21@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: I've not put any hooks in the play or preview pages yet - haven't seen the need yet but you could. As I said these hook_names are not previously defined elsewhere (could be a bad thing as it allows for typos) so you can pretty much use any name you want... You would need to include the plugins.php file in any php file that you need to hook an action or filter in... If you need to do it in javascript then you would either put it in the php function that is already ajaxed or create a new function and ajax it Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:39 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure But with a lot of the modules stuff there are before play and post play actions and so on? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:06, "Smith, John" wrote: > I'm still trying to come up with a good use for this at the moment - beyond the stuff that's demoed in the example plugins... > > Moving core functionality into plugins is another possibility, similar to what Wordpress does but then there would be some groundwork to do to create a plugin manager to install, manage dependencies etc... just now changing the plugin extension to/from .php is equivalent to enable/disable... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:53 AM > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: WordPress Event structure > > Yes, take a look at index.php where most of the filter hooks I've > added exist > > Line 136 : apply_filters('page_title', INDEX_WORKSPACE_TITLE); > > And in plugins.php, at the bottom, there are some helper functions > wrapping the do_actions > > do_action("head_start"); > > These names are not defined anywhere yet but if they matchup with a function in the plugins folder then they will fire... > > Actions are of limited value just now but if you passed in an array of names and functions, such as for property page then you could remove or augment if desired... Or do string manipulations... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > Hello, > > How do I add new events for people to add hooks and filters too? > > Same was as WordPress? > > Thanks > > Pat > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. Let me mangle something tonight Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 11:45:59 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:45:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bug in config.php In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24077@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <028801ce39dc$4e14afd0$ea3e0f70$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24077@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <25E09CBA-1451-4DF7-9DAA-1F8F63ABB832@pgogywebstuff.com> Nothing I changed but it looks like a problem with a module info file I'd edit config.php Underneath the preg match at 125 Add in a print_r($matches) Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:32, Julian Tenney wrote: > Clean xampp install? > > Any ideas? I wanted to use this today?. > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 15 April 2013 17:26 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: LaTeX in XOT - is it still working? > > Dearest Pigeons, > > Meet cat - http://www.mathjax.org/ or http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/changes.html > > Thank you > > Pat > Head in charge of destroying flash :) > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 11:42:49 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:42:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24080@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <880c50916d1236ad24bcb8ef55746a16fb5894dd@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24037@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12FEFE10-74A7-4B37-A7FE-2C0F447B1379@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24080@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <466C8FC9-D30A-4CF0-9B65-46752D7BD44F@pgogywebstuff.com> Drupal and moodle have a child concept with modules ( a bit like inheritance ). So you could say that site is a child of xerte and so requires a xerte module to be installed? Or I could just duplicate stuff Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:34, Julian Tenney wrote: > Oh, OK. I guess I would think of it that Xerte uses the language files. The wizard is a given. But I see what you mean. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 09:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module > > It uses the language files and the wizard files > > The problem is if I delete or remove xerte then site would stop working > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Er, no, it doesn?t use any Xerte files, other than the xwd for the wizard. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 16 April 2013 07:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module > > Hi Pat, > > I agree with you. The module should not depend on xerte files. That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. > > Tom > > Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > Hello, > > Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). > > Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" > > Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). > > I am happy to do it > > Pat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 11:39:40 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:39:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation In-Reply-To: <046001ce3a7f$e6f81a40$b4e84ec0$@co.uk> References: <72a8009e4ef004c4975e07297b477a3922abf32e@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24040@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <36DA2C1C-3BBA-4054-A0C2-1D20550EFBCC@pgogywebstuff.com> <044c01ce3a7e$7b2cd8b0$71868a10$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24097@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <046001ce3a7f$e6f81a40$b4e84ec0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <7C2D5B6A-DEC4-420A-9DA3-3E3C3BF83038@pgogywebstuff.com> Yeah I hate clicking on a folder call docs and finding a load of doctors Will do later on Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:53, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > Me neither but not thinking about us and documentation gives a better clue to what it might contain > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 16 April 2013 09:45 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation > > If you like, but docs has never been ambiguous to me. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 16 April 2013 09:44 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation > > I'd suggest the folder is named documentation rather than just docs > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 09:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: documentation > > Docs folder works me > > It's noticeable we have a lot of it now and perhaps best not to tell people to go in the root for stuff > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:09, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Might be neater, or a docs folder? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 16 April 2013 01:21 > To: For technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] documentation > > the lti, moodle readme and the docx and pdf - should we move them into the setup folder? > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 12:56:31 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:56:31 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yeah it's cool I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney wrote: > Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. > > Let me mangle something tonight > > Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" wrote: > > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 16:22:43 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:22:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module In-Reply-To: <466C8FC9-D30A-4CF0-9B65-46752D7BD44F@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <880c50916d1236ad24bcb8ef55746a16fb5894dd@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24037@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12FEFE10-74A7-4B37-A7FE-2C0F447B1379@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24080@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <466C8FC9-D30A-4CF0-9B65-46752D7BD44F@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24360@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Not sure. You?re closer to this stuff than me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 11:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module Drupal and moodle have a child concept with modules ( a bit like inheritance ). So you could say that site is a child of xerte and so requires a xerte module to be installed? Or I could just duplicate stuff Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:34, Julian Tenney > wrote: Oh, OK. I guess I would think of it that Xerte uses the language files. The wizard is a given. But I see what you mean. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module It uses the language files and the wizard files The problem is if I delete or remove xerte then site would stop working Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney > wrote: Er, no, it doesn?t use any Xerte files, other than the xwd for the wizard. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 16 April 2013 07:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module Hi Pat, I agree with you. The module should not depend on xerte files. That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. Tom Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: Hello, Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 16:32:58 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:32:58 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Yeah it's cool I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. Let me mangle something tonight Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 17:33:12 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:33:12 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24360@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <880c50916d1236ad24bcb8ef55746a16fb5894dd@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <516CF18E.3090604@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24037@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12FEFE10-74A7-4B37-A7FE-2C0F447B1379@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24080@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <466C8FC9-D30A-4CF0-9B65-46752D7BD44F@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24360@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: The standalone option is a lot cleaner Will go for that for now Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:22, Julian Tenney wrote: > Not sure. You?re closer to this stuff than me. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module > > Drupal and moodle have a child concept with modules ( a bit like inheritance ). So you could say that site is a child of xerte and so requires a xerte module to be installed? > > Or I could just duplicate stuff > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:34, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Oh, OK. I guess I would think of it that Xerte uses the language files. The wizard is a given. But I see what you mean. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 09:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module > > It uses the language files and the wizard files > > The problem is if I delete or remove xerte then site would stop working > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Er, no, it doesn?t use any Xerte files, other than the xwd for the wizard. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 16 April 2013 07:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Site Module > > Hi Pat, > > I agree with you. The module should not depend on xerte files. That way you don't have to worry about chnages in the xerte files and/or site files and check whther it still does what the other 'modules' expects it to do. > > Tom > > Op 16-4-2013 1:54, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef: > Hello, > > Not to sound annoying, but the Site module isn't "a module" to me, as it uses some of the Xerte files (and so they are shared, where if each had it's own copy, it'd make more sense). > > Thoughts - current approach works, but, to me isn't "a module" > > Also the delete and duplicate actions need adding (or copying from Xerte). > > I am happy to do it > > Pat > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 17:33:42 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:33:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> Where in the code? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" wrote: > Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. > > One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Yeah it's cool > > I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in > > If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. > > Let me mangle something tonight > > Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" wrote: > > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 17:40:07 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:40:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Message-ID: Dunno... that is the question! Setup somewhere... After you install with a table prefix you get an error creating a lo. The insert correctly tries to use the prefix... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Where in the code? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" > wrote: Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Yeah it's cool I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. Let me mangle something tonight Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 19:41:45 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:41:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Is line 159 of basic.sql missing a $ sign?? CREATE TABLE `templatedetails` ( should it be CREATE TABLE `$templatedetails` ( like all the rest?? Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] Sent: 16 April 2013 17:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Where in the code? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" > wrote: Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Yeah it's cool I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. Let me mangle something tonight Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs Hi, Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 16 20:33:40 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:33:40 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <516DA794.60501@tor.nl> That was an absolutely spot on observation. My fault in commit 758 when I added the extra_flags column. Fixed and committed. Op 16-4-2013 20:41, Smith, John schreef: > Is line 159 of basic.sql missing a $ sign?? > > CREATE TABLE `templatedetails` ( > > should it be > > CREATE TABLE `$templatedetails` ( > > like all the rest?? > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] > Sent: 16 April 2013 17:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Where in the code? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. > > One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Yeah it's cool > > I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in > > If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: > Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. > > Let me mangle something tonight > > Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 16 20:14:57 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:14:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Yes Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 19:41, "Smith, John" wrote: > Is line 159 of basic.sql missing a $ sign?? > > CREATE TABLE `templatedetails` ( > > should it be > > CREATE TABLE `$templatedetails` ( > > like all the rest?? > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] > Sent: 16 April 2013 17:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Where in the code? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. > > One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Yeah it's cool > > I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in > > If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: > Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. > > Let me mangle something tonight > > Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 20:37:01 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:37:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: <516DA794.60501@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> , <516DA794.60501@tor.nl> Message-ID: Cheers Tom, Another one ticked off the list ;-) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 April 2013 20:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs That was an absolutely spot on observation. My fault in commit 758 when I added the extra_flags column. Fixed and committed. Op 16-4-2013 20:41, Smith, John schreef: > Is line 159 of basic.sql missing a $ sign?? > > CREATE TABLE `templatedetails` ( > > should it be > > CREATE TABLE `$templatedetails` ( > > like all the rest?? > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] > Sent: 16 April 2013 17:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Where in the code? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. > > One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Yeah it's cool > > I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in > > If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: > Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. > > Let me mangle something tonight > > Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 20:58:59 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:58:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB240D2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2418A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <28160359-39CE-4852-A9CF-9837F408F650@pgogywebstuff.com> , Message-ID: Yes confirmed by Tom also... twas hard work finding that on my phone... didn't Google Code used to have a search feature for searching the source? Doesn't appear to be there any more... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] Sent: 16 April 2013 20:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs Yes Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 16 Apr 2013, at 19:41, "Smith, John" wrote: > Is line 159 of basic.sql missing a $ sign?? > > CREATE TABLE `templatedetails` ( > > should it be > > CREATE TABLE `$templatedetails` ( > > like all the rest?? > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] > Sent: 16 April 2013 17:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Where in the code? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 16:32, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > Ok finally got it going so will give the upload.php script a final testing tonight. > > One thing that I?ve found though? the templatedetails table doesn?t get the table prefix applied if used? someone know where to fix this? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Yeah it's cool > > I will just duplicate the xampp code and put a random variable in > > If that doesn't work then I won't bother with it > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 11:53, Julian Tenney > wrote: > Please bear in mind we are trying to get things finished for next Friday, not start a load of new stuff. That?s the priority this week and next. I?d rather time went into testing and fixing at the moment, and with that in mind it would be good if the xampp install works cleanly: when I tried this morning, I couldn?t run it: that?s stops other bugs surfacing and getting fixed, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 16 April 2013 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > The xampp install could be "trained" to make a developer install. > > Let me mangle something tonight > > Are we talking multiple code bases and multiple databases? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 10:26, "Smith, John" > wrote: > I just wouldn?t mind being able to quickly setup xerte inside every current version of Moodle just to be sure that what I?ve done works across the board? > > Not sure if it?s as simple as having a textbox to include a table prefix? Is there anything else that would need to be different? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:19 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hmm, not sure, but have wondered the same thing as it would be good to have a functioning xampp install and a bleeding edge one. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 10:16 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installing multiple XAMPP installs > > Hi, > > Might be something I?ve overlooked but when you have an xampp install and you create a new one (for example you have /moodle1_9/xerte/ already setup and you want a new site ? /moodle2_0/xerte/) it appears that running /moodle2_0/xerte/setup overwrites (or shares) the same database as the initial install. > > Is there an easy way to manage this at present or should we allow this in the interface?? > > This comes from the whole upload.php issue? in trying to test xerte with 1_9, I appear to have overwritten 2_0 and/or even after initial install of 1_9 it would redirect to moodle2_0 for authentication as that was setup prior to 1_9 setup? > > Is there an easy way to do multiple installs like this or could/should we have some options with the ?XAMPP INSTALL? button to allow multiple installs? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 21:01:25 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:01:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue Message-ID: Hi all, It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 16 21:53:04 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:53:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <058f01ce3ae4$652151c0$2f63f540$@co.uk> Hi John quickly tested with Moodle 1.9x If I remember the previous issue when it wasn't working correctly - all seems fine now e.g. was able to upload images via the graphics and sound page in Chrome, Firefox and IE Will test with other moodle versions at some point but not tonight! HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 21:01 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue Importance: High Hi all, It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 21:57:18 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:57:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue Message-ID: Thanks for that Ron. That's great news. I've tested in Moodle v2 and worked for me albeit in xampp but its promising! Do we know anyone who is using ldap in production? That would be the next major box to tick. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi John quickly tested with Moodle 1.9x If I remember the previous issue when it wasn't working correctly - all seems fine now e.g. was able to upload images via the graphics and sound page in Chrome, Firefox and IE Will test with other moodle versions at some point but not tonight! HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 21:01 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue Importance: High Hi all, It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 16 22:52:03 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:52:03 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <516DC803.9080504@tor.nl> Production is a big word for the two of us, but I'll check our LDAP installation later this week (Thursday at the earliest) Tom Op 16-4-2013 22:57, Smith, John schreef: > Thanks for that Ron. That's great news. I've tested in Moodle v2 and worked for me albeit in xampp but its promising! > > Do we know anyone who is using ldap in production? That would be the next major box to tick. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi John > quickly tested with Moodle 1.9x > > If I remember the previous issue when it wasn't working correctly - all seems fine now e.g. was able to upload images via the graphics and sound page in Chrome, Firefox and IE > > Will test with other moodle versions at some point but not tonight! > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 21:01 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue > Importance: High > > Hi all, > > It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. > > Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? > > The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 16 23:34:08 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:34:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue In-Reply-To: <516DC803.9080504@tor.nl> References: , <516DC803.9080504@tor.nl> Message-ID: Thanks Tom. Pretty sure it will work but worth a test just to make sure. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 16 April 2013 22:52 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue Production is a big word for the two of us, but I'll check our LDAP installation later this week (Thursday at the earliest) Tom Op 16-4-2013 22:57, Smith, John schreef: > Thanks for that Ron. That's great news. I've tested in Moodle v2 and worked for me albeit in xampp but its promising! > > Do we know anyone who is using ldap in production? That would be the next major box to tick. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi John > quickly tested with Moodle 1.9x > > If I remember the previous issue when it wasn't working correctly - all seems fine now e.g. was able to upload images via the graphics and sound page in Chrome, Firefox and IE > > Will test with other moodle versions at some point but not tonight! > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 21:01 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue > Importance: High > > Hi all, > > It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. > > Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? > > The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 09:12:17 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:12:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: videoSynch.html optional image property In-Reply-To: <039e01ce3a21$68446e50$38cd4af0$@co.uk> References: <039e01ce3a21$68446e50$38cd4af0$@co.uk> Message-ID: You're right, I don't seem to have included anything to deal with optional images being added here. I'll add something in to the model today. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 15 April 2013 22:37 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] videoSynch.html optional image property Hi all and particularly Fay I guess... Reporting this now because I might not have time tomorrow. Lisa in the Techdis team sent myself and Alistair a message saying: ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "I thought I'd let you know that the synched video option isn't working with images. I tried to re-do an existing object and couldn't get it to work in HTML5 (text appears but no image). I then renamed all my images and did a completely new object - These are the 2 versions - Flash - http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_286 and HTML5 http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_html5_286 I've tried Chrome, Firefox and IE and the result is the same" ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// It's been a long day but I just had a look at the html model from svn and I don't think it contains any code to deal with the optional images or is that in a linked file somewhere? Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 09:20:16 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:20:16 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2444A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Good stuff, this was a real pain, thanks a lot, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 16 April 2013 21:01 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue Importance: High Hi all, It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 10:11:40 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:11:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible Xerte Security Error? In-Reply-To: <3C6120996F8626458ACD86AB201D109A04A7BDC74D@EMAIL01> References: <3C6120996F8626458ACD86AB201D109A04A44E273D@EMAIL01> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24381@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2444E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3C6120996F8626458ACD86AB201D109A04A7BDC749@EMAIL01> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24475@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <3C6120996F8626458ACD86AB201D109A04A7BDC74D@EMAIL01> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB244BF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Hi, I can find in our code that error: it gets thrown when the LDAP server is available, but the supplied credentials are incorrect. It's not that you've done anything wrong, the user has typed incorrect information. Also, to see the information, they must have _debug turned on. That is done in config.php, I think, chaps? If it is turned on, you should turn it off, Julian From: John Pettifor [mailto:jpettifor at youngepilepsy.org.uk] Sent: 16 April 2013 09:28 To: 'is-learning-team at nottingham.ac.uk' Subject: Possible Xerte Security Error? I hope this is the right place to direct this. We have a local Xerte Site installation with LDAP authentication. Yesterday one of our users reported an error as below: Issue connecting to ldap server (#2) : Binding. YYYYYYY at ncype.org.uk : :XXXXXXXX: Y = Administrative User name used to sweep the Active Directory X = Password for the above account Both of these were obviously displayed in plain text. The user who viewed the account was a regular domain user. Was this something we have done in error? 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All emails and attachments sent and received by Young Epilepsy employees are stored by a forensic compliance system and are monitored to ensure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Although Young Epilepsy operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept any responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Young Epilepsy is the operating name of the National Centre for Young People with Epilepsy (NCYPE), St Piers Lane, Lingfield, Surrey RH7 6PW. Tel: 01342 832 243. Fax: 01342 834 639. www.youngepilepsy.org.uk Registered Charity No. 311877 The information contained in or attached to this email is confidential and only intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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All emails and attachments sent and received by Young Epilepsy employees are stored by a forensic compliance system and are monitored to ensure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Although Young Epilepsy operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept any responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 17 10:38:09 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:38:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2444A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2444A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <8F543E75-196B-4CB4-AC64-5EBD59284AC1@pgogywebstuff.com> I can't remember if I emailed but site is now a module. I fixed a few bugs in properties as well Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 09:20, Julian Tenney wrote: > Good stuff, this was a real pain, thanks a lot, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 16 April 2013 21:01 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] New commit to try to fix the flash-cookie upload issue > Importance: High > > Hi all, > > It's been a long time coming but I've now tested this in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0 as well as just normal auth and it seems to work... fingers crossed. > > Can anyone with Moodle installs or LDAP confirm? Or deny? > > The change to the function in edit is a bit belt-and-braces and might not all be needed but gives more scope for logging potential errors. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 17 10:51:34 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:51:34 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS HTML 5 Message-ID: <96449EFD-D544-408F-8DE6-56D7DF440EE0@pgogywebstuff.com> Anyone know what this is? It is in URL library? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 17 11:31:31 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:31:31 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: RSS HTML 5 In-Reply-To: <96449EFD-D544-408F-8DE6-56D7DF440EE0@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <96449EFD-D544-408F-8DE6-56D7DF440EE0@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <008901ce3b56$bacbfcc0$3063f640$@co.uk> I'm guessing Pat and might be totally wrong (don't have time to check back right now) but that might date back to when I originally enabled the play_html5 link to appear in the properties panel and I think tried to get an RSS feed with html5 links. I think I probably posed questions about the .htaccess around the same time. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 17 April 2013 10:52 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS HTML 5 Anyone know what this is? It is in URL library? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 13:21:50 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:21:50 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24639@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don't want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. 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Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don't want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 369308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 13:50:26 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:50:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? In-Reply-To: <00bb01ce3b68$b13f5b40$13be11c0$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24639@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00bb01ce3b68$b13f5b40$13be11c0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2466A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Any good? I don't think it's trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I'll play around, [cid:image002.png at 01CE3B72.840D55A0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don't want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. [cid:image003.png at 01CE3B72.840D55A0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 296712 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 369308 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 17 13:59:43 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2466A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24639@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00bb01ce3b68$b13f5b40$13be11c0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2466A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00d801ce3b6b$6ecf1e50$4c6d5af0$@co.uk> Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don't think it's trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I'll play around, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don't want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 296712 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 369308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 13:59:58 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? In-Reply-To: <00d801ce3b6b$6ecf1e50$4c6d5af0$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24639@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00bb01ce3b68$b13f5b40$13be11c0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2466A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00d801ce3b6b$6ecf1e50$4c6d5af0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24678@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Went for this one, as the right hand colour is the same colour as the active TOC items. Looks fine for a starter. [cid:image003.png at 01CE3B73.D88B9FF0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don't think it's trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I'll play around, [cid:image004.png at 01CE3B73.D88B9FF0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don't want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. [cid:image005.png at 01CE3B73.D88B9FF0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 249541 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Better than some CMS's I've seen! ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Went for this one, as the right hand colour is the same colour as the active TOC items. Looks fine for a starter. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don't think it's trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I'll play around, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don't want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 249541 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 296712 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 369308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Wed Apr 17 14:04:23 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24678@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24639@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <00bb01ce3b68$b13f5b40$13be11c0$@co.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2466A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <00d801ce3b6b$6ecf1e50$4c6d5af0$@co.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24678@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Better check with Gates.:-) From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Went for this one, as the right hand colour is the same colour as the active TOC items. Looks fine for a starter. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don?t think it?s trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I?ll play around, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient?Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don?t want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 11:31, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > I'm guessing Pat and might be totally wrong (don't have time to check back > right now) but that might date back to when I originally enabled the > play_html5 link to appear in the properties panel and I think tried to get > an RSS feed with html5 links. I think I probably posed questions about the > .htaccess around the same time. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 17 April 2013 10:52 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS HTML 5 > > Anyone know what this is? It is in URL library? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair > to middling quality > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 17 14:51:15 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:51:15 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: RSS HTML 5 In-Reply-To: <26C187A1-6176-449A-84C1-88D02AE98E62@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <96449EFD-D544-408F-8DE6-56D7DF440EE0@pgogywebstuff.com> <008901ce3b56$bacbfcc0$3063f640$@co.uk> <26C187A1-6176-449A-84C1-88D02AE98E62@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <011401ce3b72$a2200100$e6600300$@co.uk> Sure - delete away. Are you updating the htaccess.conf for all the latest stuff too or is that already done? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 17 April 2013 14:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: RSS HTML 5 Ah ok because I couldn't see if referenced in the code anywhere. Remove? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 11:31, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > I'm guessing Pat and might be totally wrong (don't have time to check > back right now) but that might date back to when I originally enabled > the > play_html5 link to appear in the properties panel and I think tried to > get an RSS feed with html5 links. I think I probably posed questions > about the .htaccess around the same time. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > Pgogy > Sent: 17 April 2013 10:52 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS HTML 5 > > Anyone know what this is? It is in URL library? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. 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Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 17 15:01:09 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? In-Reply-To: <00ed01ce3b6c$47fdb880$d7f92980$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24639@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00bb01ce3b68$b13f5b40$13be11c0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB2466A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00d801ce3b6b$6ecf1e50$4c6d5af0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB24678@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00ed01ce3b6c$47fdb880$d7f92980$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB246F4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Don't get me started on CMSs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:06 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Looks better than fine. Better than some CMS's I've seen! ;-) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Went for this one, as the right hand colour is the same colour as the active TOC items. Looks fine for a starter. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3B7C.64E907A0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don't think it's trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I'll play around, [cid:image002.png at 01CE3B7C.64E907A0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don?t think it?s trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I?ll play around, [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_19535_RAW at sec.galaxytab] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don?t want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB247AF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> You can specify an image for the header, and it will tile, so you can something like this easily, or you can select a long thin image so it doesn't tile and do whatever you want [cid:image001.png at 01CE3B87.6E192B10] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 April 2013 15:36 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Looks good to me... We'll definitely use this. Can you add an image in the header? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Went for this one, as the right hand colour is the same colour as the active TOC items. Looks fine for a starter. [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_19534_RAW at sec.galaxytab] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don?t think it?s trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I?ll play around, [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_19535_RAW at sec.galaxytab] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don?t want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. 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You can specify an image for the header, and it will tile, so you can something like this easily, or you can select a long thin image so it doesn't tile and do whatever you want [cid:image001.png at 01CE3B87.CD930070] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 17 April 2013 15:36 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Looks good to me... We'll definitely use this. Can you add an image in the header? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney > wrote: Went for this one, as the right hand colour is the same colour as the active TOC items. Looks fine for a starter. [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_19534_RAW at sec.galaxytab] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 14:00 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Seems fine to me. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? Any good? I don?t think it?s trivial to hide the headers / TOC, I?ll play around, [cid:_com_android_email_attachmentprovider_1_19535_RAW at sec.galaxytab] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 17 April 2013 13:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default colour scheme? How about a black to grey gradient? Or dark blue to light blue? Would be good if there was an option to hide the header and sidebar options too - or perhaps there is already? Haven't had time to test properly yet. Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 17 April 2013 13:22 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Default colour scheme? Any thought on the default colours? The colours a the moment are nice, but they are the colours used on the bootstrap site, so I don?t want to use those: you can configure the header colour and text colour, and if you supply two colours for the header, you get a gradient. 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > Hi all > sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... > > I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. > > A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. > > Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. > > That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. > > I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. > > HTH > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This does raise an issue I've been thinking about with all the recent changes and moving stuff around - upgrading isn't just dropping code over the top any longer :-( Sent from my iPhone On 17 Apr 2013, at 22:04, "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > Did you completely remove the old site template? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > >> Hi all >> sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... >> >> I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. >> >> A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. >> >> Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. >> >> That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. >> >> I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 17 22:27:54 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:27:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? In-Reply-To: References: <016601ce3ba8$7fe34b70$7fa9e250$@co.uk> <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <7799C54A-C797-491D-B1AE-71BCE9291D4D@pgogywebstuff.com> Ah no, my bad, let me test as then re commit. Some svn commits bounced. Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 22:13, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Thought I had but will check again tomorrow night. > If I did shouldn't I have? > > This does raise an issue I've been thinking about with all the recent changes and moving stuff around - upgrading isn't just dropping code over the top any longer :-( > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Apr 2013, at 22:04, "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > >> Did you completely remove the old site template? >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... >>> >>> I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. >>> >>> A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. >>> >>> Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. >>> >>> That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. >>> >>> I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. >>> >>> HTH >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 08:18:24 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:18:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? In-Reply-To: <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <016601ce3ba8$7fe34b70$7fa9e250$@co.uk> <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248AB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Did I leave a hard coded path in there - let me check? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 17 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? Did you completely remove the old site template? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: Hi all sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. HTH Ron _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 08:21:45 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:21:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248AB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016601ce3ba8$7fe34b70$7fa9e250$@co.uk> <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248AB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Yes, I did, but the errors are still in the files that led me to hard code the path in the first place: in play.php and preview.php, $template_path_string = "modules/xerte/parent_templates/" . $row['template_name']; //THIS IS NOT CORRECT? So I hardcoded it to $template_path_string = 'modules/site/parent_templates/site'; in preview.php so it wouold work and I could carry on working with the template. Tom, how should $template_path_string be setup? Thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 08:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? Did I leave a hard coded path in there - let me check? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 17 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? Did you completely remove the old site template? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: Hi all sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. HTH Ron _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 18 09:09:56 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:09:56 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016601ce3ba8$7fe34b70$7fa9e250$@co.uk> <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248AB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516FAA54.5010800@tor.nl> It should be setup like the after revision 779. Somehow your commit of yesterday removed some of corrections Pat and I did the day before. I reverted some of those changes, so the svn code is working for me at the moment. Please check that I left the Hedaer style and copyright statement like you intended them to be. Regards, Tom Op 18-4-2013 9:21, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Yes, I did, but the errors are still in the files that led me to hard > code the path in the first place: in play.php and preview.php, > > $template_path_string = "modules/xerte/parent_templates/" . > $row['template_name']; //THIS IS NOT CORRECT... > > So I hardcoded it to $template_path_string = > 'modules/site/parent_templates/site'; in preview.php so it wouold work > and I could carry on working with the template. > > Tom, how should $template_path_string be setup? > > Thanks, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 08:18 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? > > Did I leave a hard coded path in there - let me check... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 17 April 2013 22:04 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? > > Did you completely remove the old site template? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: > > Hi all > > sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... > > I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems > to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. > > A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the > public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays > This text is replaced by the Flash movie. > > Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor > window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. > > That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via > public link. > > I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but > can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. > > HTH > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 18 08:42:52 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:42:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <016601ce3ba8$7fe34b70$7fa9e250$@co.uk> <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248AB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <69ACA443-AD2F-40E0-9A2D-549B12891931@pgogywebstuff.com> My SVN commit bounced. No idea why. Let me test again and resubmit Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 18 Apr 2013, at 08:21, Julian Tenney wrote: > Yes, I did, but the errors are still in the files that led me to hard code the path in the first place: in play.php and preview.php, > > $template_path_string = "modules/xerte/parent_templates/" . $row['template_name']; //THIS IS NOT CORRECT? > > So I hardcoded it to $template_path_string = 'modules/site/parent_templates/site'; in preview.php so it wouold work and I could carry on working with the template. > > Tom, how should $template_path_string be setup? > > Thanks, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 08:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? > > Did I leave a hard coded path in there - let me check? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 17 April 2013 22:04 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? > > Did you completely remove the old site template? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > > Hi all > sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... > > I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. > > A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. > > Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. > > That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. > > I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. > > HTH > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 18 11:55:42 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:55:42 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Quiz Message-ID: <516FD12E.1040002@tor.nl> L.S., I would like to slightly modify the quiz (flash and html5): 1. Change the order and placing of the Next and Submit button in html5. 2. Skip the Next button if there is no feedback 3. Remove the 'Restart' button if the quiz is in scorm tracking mode. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 11:59:03 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:59:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Quiz In-Reply-To: <516FD12E.1040002@tor.nl> References: <516FD12E.1040002@tor.nl> Message-ID: That makes sense, go ahead. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 11:56 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Quiz L.S., I would like to slightly modify the quiz (flash and html5): 1. Change the order and placing of the Next and Submit button in html5. 2. Skip the Next button if there is no feedback 3. Remove the 'Restart' button if the quiz is in scorm tracking mode. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 12:11:09 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:11:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? In-Reply-To: <516FAA54.5010800@tor.nl> References: <016601ce3ba8$7fe34b70$7fa9e250$@co.uk> <5463C4CD-0902-45A6-A9FF-AC36A4EAE657@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248AB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FB248B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FAA54.5010800@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC922A7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Sorry, probably my fault: I did a clean install of those changes, and the xampp setup didn't work: so I restored my htdocs and worked from the old files then obviously copied my changes to the php back into the svn. Sorry about that. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 09:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? It should be setup like the after revision 779. Somehow your commit of yesterday removed some of corrections Pat and I did the day before. I reverted some of those changes, so the svn code is working for me at the moment. Please check that I left the Hedaer style and copyright statement like you intended them to be. Regards, Tom Op 18-4-2013 9:21, Julian Tenney schreef: Yes, I did, but the errors are still in the files that led me to hard code the path in the first place: in play.php and preview.php, $template_path_string = "modules/xerte/parent_templates/" . $row['template_name']; //THIS IS NOT CORRECT... So I hardcoded it to $template_path_string = 'modules/site/parent_templates/site'; in preview.php so it wouold work and I could carry on working with the template. Tom, how should $template_path_string be setup? Thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 08:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? Did I leave a hard coded path in there - let me check... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 17 April 2013 22:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: problem with site code? Did you completely remove the old site template? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 17 Apr 2013, at 21:16, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: Hi all sending this now because I'll be off-line all day tomorrow.... I updated an install with the latest svn code tonight and it seems to have caused a problem with the site/bootstrap template code. A previous site LO I had previews ok from the workspace but the public play doesn't work (blank screen) and clicking edit displays This text is replaced by the Flash movie. Creating a new LO based on the site template opens an editor window but also gives This text is replaced by the Flash movie. That new lo also previews from workspace but doesn't play via public link. I won't have access to the server during the day on Thursday but can test any updates/fixes Thursday evening at some point. HTH Ron _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 13:27:55 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:27:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 99787 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 14:53:36 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:53:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... I get : site_site xerte_Nottingham xerte_Rss as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Sure, but the code isn?t working? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Is $development = true; ?? It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 18 15:05:30 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:05:30 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn?t working? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 18 15:21:32 2013 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:21:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Quiz In-Reply-To: <516FD12E.1040002@tor.nl> References: <516FD12E.1040002@tor.nl> Message-ID: When I created the Inventory page from the Quiz page, I added to the submit button actions to hide the submit button and display the next button. This ensured that once a question had been answered the learner could not then change their answer and resubmit a different answer for the same question. The current quiz page currently allows you (at least in the flash version) to select an answer option, submit your answer, see the displayed feedback and then select a different answer and re-submit your new answer. Whilst you are making changes to the quiz model do you want to ensure that once a user has submitted an answer, that they cannot then change their answer and re-submit it? Kind regards Johnathan On 18 April 2013 11:55, Tom Reijnders wrote: > L.S., > > I would like to slightly modify the quiz (flash and html5): > > 1. Change the order and placing of the Next and Submit button in html5. > 2. Skip the Next button if there is no feedback > 3. Remove the 'Restart' button if the quiz is in scorm tracking mode. > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.**uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/**mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 18 15:30:13 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:30:13 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Quiz In-Reply-To: References: <516FD12E.1040002@tor.nl> Message-ID: <51700375.3000801@tor.nl> Good point. I'll check. Tom Op 18-4-2013 16:21, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > When I created the Inventory page from the Quiz page, I added to the > submit button actions to hide the submit button and display the next > button. This ensured that once a question had been answered the > learner could not then change their answer and resubmit a different > answer for the same question. > > The current quiz page currently allows you (at least in the flash > version) to select an answer option, submit your answer, see the > displayed feedback and then select a different answer and re-submit > your new answer. > > Whilst you are making changes to the quiz model do you want to ensure > that once a user has submitted an answer, that they cannot then change > their answer and re-submit it? > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > > On 18 April 2013 11:55, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > L.S., > > I would like to slightly modify the quiz (flash and html5): > > 1. Change the order and placing of the Next and Submit button in > html5. > 2. Skip the Next button if there is no feedback > 3. Remove the 'Restart' button if the quiz is in scorm tracking mode. > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have > received this message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Lisa in the Techdis team sent myself and Alistair a message saying: ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "I thought I'd let you know that the synched video option isn't working with images. I tried to re-do an existing object and couldn't get it to work in HTML5 (text appears but no image). I then renamed all my images and did a completely new object - These are the 2 versions - Flash - http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_286 and HTML5 http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_html5_286 I've tried Chrome, Firefox and IE and the result is the same" ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// It's been a long day but I just had a look at the html model from svn and I don't think it contains any code to deal with the optional images or is that in a linked file somewhere? Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 16:12:10 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:12:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C4F.7AFCBDB0] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working... > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C50.423F2D90] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working... > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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[cid:image002.png at 01CE3C50.B9917150] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:image003.png at 01CE3C50.B9917150] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working... > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51701571.3080806@tor.nl> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) Tom Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 16:12 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > OK, step by step: > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > Update the svn and export > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > It runs > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > Have you all checked everything in? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Hi, > > It's working for me as well. > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no > warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have > made some changes? > > > > > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > > > $templateProperties; > > > > > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > out before warning... > > > > > > I get : > > > > > > site_site > > > xerte_Nottingham > > > xerte_Rss > > > > > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > > > in the available templates) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > > > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > > > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > Sure, but the code isn't working... > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > > John > > > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > Is $development = true; ?? > > > > > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Smith > > > Learning Technologist > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > From: > > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > .uk>) > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > > > > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > > > SC021474 > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year > 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > > > 219,en.html > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities > Scotland partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > > > 5691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > > > SC021474 > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year > 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > > > 219,en.html > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities > Scotland partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > > > 5691,en.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn?t working? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) Tom Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 18 17:24:48 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:24:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > ( xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> Message-ID: <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk> Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [ mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > ( xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk> Message-ID: <517020F4.2020206@tor.nl> Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron > Mitchell > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 17:25 > *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project > works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site > or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml > does get created you just can't edit it. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 16:21 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 16:18 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 16:12 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > OK, step by step: > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > Update the svn and export > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > It runs > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > Have you all checked everything in? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Hi, > > It's working for me as well. > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no > warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have > made some changes? > > > > > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > > > $templateProperties; > > > > > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > out before warning... > > > > > > I get : > > > > > > site_site > > > xerte_Nottingham > > > xerte_Rss > > > > > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > > > in the available templates) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > > > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > > > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > > > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > Sure, but the code isn't working... > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > > John > > > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > Is $development = true; ?? > > > > > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Smith > > > Learning Technologist > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > From: > > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > .uk>) > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > > > > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > > > SC021474 > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year > 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > > > 219,en.html > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities > Scotland partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > > > 5691,en.html > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > > > SC021474 > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year > 2009. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > > > 219,en.html > > > > > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities > Scotland partners. > > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > > > 5691,en.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <517020F4.2020206@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk>,<517020F4.2020206@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F682A02@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's great, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? But then I hit this, so I?m still a bit stuffed. [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it?s true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn?t working? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 18 17:57:58 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:57:58 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F682A02@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk>, <517020F4.2020206@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F682A02@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51702616.8010200@tor.nl> Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's great, > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I?m still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it?s true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) >> Regards, >> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn?t working? >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? >> Regards, >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 18 18:19:59 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:19:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <51702616.8010200@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk>, <517020F4.2020206@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F682A02@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, <51702616.8010200@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F682A03@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Nice one, thanks, ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 18 April 2013 17:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's great, > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I?m still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it?s true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) >> Regards, >> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn?t working? >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? >> Regards, >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 18 18:34:50 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:34:50 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK Who put the drop tables stuff into basic.sql? hmmmmmmmmmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, John" To:"xerte-dev at listsnottingham.ac.uk" Cc: Sent:Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:06:48 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I don't bother deleting the tables... Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) Tom Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it?s true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName.""; in before it and see what comes out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn?t working? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at listsnottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 18 18:36:29 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:36:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <51702616.8010200@tor.nl> Message-ID: <44db96d60047ddbe52d7ab696324c0b71c47c2f1@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> My commits are now all in, stupid SVN Site is now a module all by itself The problem was some one had deleted a line from config.php Please note a few files have now been deleted or moved, so all your SVNs need a full update at root level ok? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reijnders" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:57:58 +0200 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's great, > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I?m still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it?s true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; >> stick print $attributeName.""; in before it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) >> Regards, >> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn?t working? >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN? >> Regards, >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can?t run the latest code, and therefore can?t see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <51702616.8010200@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92332@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9234D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <516FFDAA.2060700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92453@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92462@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92467@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <00db01ce3c51$3fb33610$bf19a230$@co.uk> <00ea01ce3c52$a11229b0$e3367d10$@co.uk>, <517020F4.2020206@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4F682A02@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51702616.8010200@tor.nl> Message-ID: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> c> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 18 18:40:23 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:40:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> Message-ID: Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). ? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at listsnottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat. Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at listsnottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName.""; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning.. >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> c> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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[cid:image001.png at 01CE3CDA.81694520] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5170FA23.5090501@tor.nl> XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE does not exist in languages/en-GB/modules/site/preview.inc It's called SITE_PREVIEW_TITLE. Fixed in modules/site/play.php and modules/site/preview.php Op 19-4-2013 9:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string > XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? > > What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all > nearly ready now? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 18:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Yeah > > I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files > over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it > didn't commit. > > Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make > commits). > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > Works now! > Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely > missing? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Fixed. > > These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather > than old > > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still > aiming > > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing > it as > > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > > great, ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > > [reijnders at tor.nl] > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing > that doesn't. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from > svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project > works but > the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or > editing an > existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get > created you > just can't edit it. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I may have misunderstood $development > > > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > OK, step by step: > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > > > > > It runs > > > > > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > >> Hi, > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no > warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some > changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in > before > >> it and see what comes out before warning... > >> I get : > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't > show up > >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning > >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & > >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | > >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On > Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Is $development = true; ?? > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John > Smith > >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow > >> Caledonian University > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> > t >> > bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> > c >> > ttingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation > Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation > Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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Fixed in modules/site/play.php and modules/site/preview.php Op 19-4-2013 9:50, Julian Tenney schreef: Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all nearly ready now? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3CDC.F9AE6270] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9253C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5170FA23.5090501@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9253C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7C4F7404-1E9A-4D28-99B5-06EA0BE621BC@pgogywebstuff.com> Looks at my SVN...... Useless crock of Site preview should reference site_preview_title Not Xerte_preview_title Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney wrote: > Thanks Tom, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 09:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE does not exist in languages/en-GB/modules/site/preview.inc > It's called SITE_PREVIEW_TITLE. > > Fixed in modules/site/play.php and modules/site/preview.php > > > Op 19-4-2013 9:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? > > What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Yeah > > I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. > > Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > Works now! > Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Fixed. > > These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > > great, ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > [reijnders at tor.nl] > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but > the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an > existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you > just can't edit it. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I may have misunderstood $development > > > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > OK, step by step: > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > > > > > It runs > > > > > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > >> Hi, > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some > changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before > >> it and see what comes out before warning... > >> I get : > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning > >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & > >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | > >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Is $development = true; ?? > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith > >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow > >> Caledonian University > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t >> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c >> ttingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> How do I fix this issue? 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 09:37:11 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:37:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <7C4F7404-1E9A-4D28-99B5-06EA0BE621BC@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5170FA23.5090501@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9253C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <7C4F7404-1E9A-4D28-99B5-06EA0BE621BC@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92575@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Why isn?t it commiting then? If you update, you get Tom?s changes? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 09:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Looks at my SVN...... Useless crock of Site preview should reference site_preview_title Not Xerte_preview_title Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney > wrote: Thanks Tom, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 09:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE does not exist in languages/en-GB/modules/site/preview.inc It's called SITE_PREVIEW_TITLE. Fixed in modules/site/play.php and modules/site/preview.php Op 19-4-2013 9:50, Julian Tenney schreef: Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 09:42:08 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:42:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I don't bother deleting the tables... Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) Tom Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk > ] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 19 09:51:02 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:51:02 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51710576.2080502@tor.nl> I didn't know that... ;-) Op 19-4-2013 10:42, Julian Tenney schreef: > I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I don't bother deleting the tables... > > Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > > That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >> even > with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >> out > before warning... > >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) >> Regards, >> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> ________________________________________ >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> ] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >> Regards, >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list> > >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac> > >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and > may contain confidential information. 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Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 19 10:26:05 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:26:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <51710576.2080502@tor.nl> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51710576.2080502@tor.nl> Message-ID: It freaked me out when I found out MySQL databases are just folders Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I didn't know that... ;-) > > Op 19-4-2013 10:42, Julian Tenney schreef: >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> I don't bother deleting the tables... >> >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >> >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >> I may have misunderstood $development >> >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >> >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >> OK, step by step: >> >> >> >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >> >> >> >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >> >> >> >> Update the svn and export >> >> >> >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >> >> >> >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >> >> >> >> It runs >> >> >> >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >> >> >> >> Have you all checked everything in? >> >> >> >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> It's working for me as well. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >> >>> Hi, >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>> even >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >>> $templateProperties; >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >>> out >> before warning... >> >>> I get : >>> site_site >>> xerte_Nottingham >>> xerte_Rss >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >>> in the available templates) >>> Regards, >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ingham.ac.uk> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >>> ] >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ingham.ac.uk> >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> Is $development = true; ?? >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >>> Regards, >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list> >> >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac> >> >>> .uk>) >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >>> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and >> therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> >>> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >>> SC021474 >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >>> the >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >>> 219,en.html >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >>> 5691,en.html >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >>> SC021474 >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >>> the >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >>> 219,en.html >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >>> 5691,en.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> uk> >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >>> and >> may contain confidential information. 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Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 19 10:27:11 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:27:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92575@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5170FA23.5090501@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9253C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <7C4F7404-1E9A-4D28-99B5-06EA0BE621BC@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92575@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <759300B3-8C96-4434-BFF0-ECFF4B671E64@pgogywebstuff.com> I've added the files in, but the update seems crap. Tortoise seems too slow on windows 7 as well Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 09:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > Why isn?t it commiting then? If you update, you get Tom?s changes? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 19 April 2013 09:34 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Looks at my SVN...... Useless crock of > > Site preview should reference site_preview_title > > Not > > Xerte_preview_title > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 09:05, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Thanks Tom, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 09:03 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE does not exist in languages/en-GB/modules/site/preview.inc > It's called SITE_PREVIEW_TITLE. > > Fixed in modules/site/play.php and modules/site/preview.php > > > > Op 19-4-2013 9:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? > > What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Yeah > > I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. > > Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > Works now! > Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Fixed. > > These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > > great, ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > [reijnders at tor.nl] > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but > the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an > existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you > just can't edit it. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I may have misunderstood $development > > > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > OK, step by step: > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > > > > > It runs > > > > > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > >> Hi, > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some > changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before > >> it and see what comes out before warning... > >> I get : > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning > >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & > >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | > >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Is $development = true; ?? > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith > >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow > >> Caledonian University > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t >> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c >> ttingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 10:32:41 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:32:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, I?ve still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3CE9.38B44D70] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3CE9.6B57B640] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 89172 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 10:40:27 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:40:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, A bit confused then.... So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$user_sessions` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_user` ; Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I don't bother deleting the tables... Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) Tom Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I may have misunderstood $development Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? If I turn it to false it runs OK. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK, step by step: I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data Update the svn and export Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, It runs Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? Have you all checked everything in? [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, It's working for me as well. Tom Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > Hi, > > I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > $templateProperties; > > stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > out before warning... > > I get : > > site_site > xerte_Nottingham > xerte_Rss > > as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > in the available templates) > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk > ] > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Sure, but the code isn't working. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Is $development = true; ?? > > It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk>) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk uk> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 19 10:41:04 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:41:04 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC925F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC925F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51711130.1070003@tor.nl> Not that I know of. Perhaps setting up the authentication mechanism in setup and/or manage.php. But I don't have time for that I am afraid. I am working on Scorm tracking in the Nottingham template. Will commit later today or tomorrow. Tom Op 19-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application > stuff? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Smith, John > *Sent:* 19 April 2013 10:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Hi, > > I've still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue > with it but hope to get it in soon... > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string > XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? > > What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all > nearly ready now? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 18:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Yeah > > I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files > over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it > didn't commit. > > Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make > commits). > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > Works now! > Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely > missing? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Fixed. > > These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather > than old > > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still > aiming > > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing > it as > > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > > great, ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > > [reijnders at tor.nl] > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing > that doesn't. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from > svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project > works but > the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or > editing an > existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get > created you > just can't edit it. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I may have misunderstood $development > > > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > OK, step by step: > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > > > > > It runs > > > > > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > >> Hi, > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no > warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some > changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in > before > >> it and see what comes out before warning... > >> I get : > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't > show up > >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning > >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & > >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | > >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On > Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Is $development = true; ?? > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John > Smith > >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow > >> Caledonian University > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> > t >> > bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> > c >> > ttingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation > Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation > Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 10:41 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Not that I know of. Perhaps setting up the authentication mechanism in setup and/or manage.php. But I don't have time for that I am afraid. I am working on Scorm tracking in the Nottingham template. Will commit later today or tomorrow. Tom Op 19-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application stuff? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 10:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, I've still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all nearly ready now? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3CEB.7D60CC80] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Was going to do over weekend Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:48, Julian Tenney wrote: > Has anyone walked the latest code through a full setup to check it all works as expected? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 10:41 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Not that I know of. Perhaps setting up the authentication mechanism in setup and/or manage.php. But I don't have time for that I am afraid. > > I am working on Scorm tracking in the Nottingham template. Will commit later today or tomorrow. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application stuff? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 19 April 2013 10:33 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Hi, > > I?ve still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? > > What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Yeah > > I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. > > Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > Works now! > Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Fixed. > > These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > > great, ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > [reijnders at tor.nl] > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but > the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an > existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you > just can't edit it. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I may have misunderstood $development > > > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > OK, step by step: > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > > > > > It runs > > > > > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > >> Hi, > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some > changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before > >> it and see what comes out before warning... > >> I get : > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning > >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & > >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | > >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Is $development = true; ?? > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith > >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow > >> Caledonian University > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t >> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c >> ttingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> How do I fix this issue? 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I'm not sure if there are any major issues with doing that but at the very least it results in duplicated files and for instance if you update templates via management you end up with two site templates because the template has been moved to its own folder now. Obviously there's been some consolidation of existing files too. I'll try to find time between now and the end of next week to write a short upgrading guide or reference and add it to the documentation folder e.g. what files/folders to remove and what to leave in place before dropping the new code over the top of what's left. I think I have a good handle on that but if anyone has any relevant comments please post here asap. I'm assuming the zip isn't going to be built until at least Thursday? Or will that be dynamic by then Tom? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 10:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application stuff? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 10:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, I?ve still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What?s left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it?s all nearly ready now? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > t >> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > c >> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 89172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 19 12:09:58 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:09:58 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> Those lines worry me..... Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi, > > A bit confused then.... > > So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$folderdetails`; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$logindetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$sitedetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatedetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$user_sessions` ; > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_keys` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_user` ; > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I don't bother deleting the tables... > > Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > > That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, > > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >> even > with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; > > >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >> out > before warning... > > >> I get : > > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> ] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Is $development = true; ?? > > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > > >> From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list> > >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > >> SC021474 > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > >> 219,en.html > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > >> 5691,en.html > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > >> SC021474 > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > >> 219,en.html > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > >> 5691,en.html > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and > may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 19 12:18:42 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:18:42 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <024801ce3ced$f8515ac0$e8f41040$@co.uk> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC925F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <024801ce3ced$f8515ac0$e8f41040$@co.uk> Message-ID: <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> I want to have dynamic this weekend, so we have some time to test that functionality as well. You should be able to install over the top and run upgrade.php, and yes you will end up with some duplicate files. But cleaning up would be better/nicer. Tom Op 19-4-2013 13:06, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > One of the things that is different now for upgrading and is > inevitable and unavoidable but different to what we've had previously > is that it's not really as simple as dropping 2.0 code over the top of > a previous install. > > I'm not sure if there are any major issues with doing that but at the > very least it results in duplicated files and for instance if you > update templates via management you end up with two site templates > because the template has been moved to its own folder now. Obviously > there's been some consolidation of existing files too. > > I'll try to find time between now and the end of next week to write a > short upgrading guide or reference and add it to the documentation > folder e.g. what files/folders to remove and what to leave in place > before dropping the new code over the top of what's left. I think I > have a good handle on that but if anyone has any relevant comments > please post here asap. > > I'm assuming the zip isn't going to be built until at least Thursday? > Or will that be dynamic by then Tom? > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 19 April 2013 10:34 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application > stuff? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Smith, John > *Sent:* 19 April 2013 10:33 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Hi, > > I've still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue > with it but hope to get it in soon... > > Regards, > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string > XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? > > What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all > nearly ready now? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 18 April 2013 18:40 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Yeah > > I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files > over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it > didn't commit. > > Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make > commits). > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > Works now! > Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely > missing? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Fixed. > > These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather > than old > > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still > aiming > > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing > it as > > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > > great, ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > > [reijnders at tor.nl] > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing > that doesn't. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from > svn and > that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project > works but > the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or > editing an > existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get > created you > just can't edit it. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I may have misunderstood $development > > > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > OK, step by step: > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > > > > > It runs > > > > > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > s.nottingham.ac.uk> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > > >> Hi, > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no > warning... > even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some > changes? > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in > before > >> it and see what comes out before warning... > >> I get : > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't > show up > >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning > >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & > >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | > >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On > Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >> >] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> Is $development = true; ?? > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John > Smith > >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow > >> Caledonian University > >> From: > >> > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> > t >> > bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> > c >> > ttingham.ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation > Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >> number > >> SC021474 > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation > Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > >> > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, > >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Those lines worry me..... Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi, > > A bit confused then.... > > So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$user_sessions` ; > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_keys` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$lti_user` ; > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I don't bother deleting the tables... > > Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > > That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do > that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, > > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >> even > with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; > > >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >> out > before warning... > > >> I get : > > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott > ingham.ac.uk> > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> > >> ] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott > ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Is $development = true; ?? > > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > > >> From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces@ > list> > >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham > .ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number > >> SC021474 > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number > >> SC021474 > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and > may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 19 12:30:56 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:30:56 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Easiest way to debug html5_models? Message-ID: <51712AF0.1020709@tor.nl> Fay, John, Any pointers in how to best debug html5_model files? I have some difficulty to set a breakpoint on for example quiz.loadQ? I have PhpStorm running, and I am trying now to use chrome. But I can't find a proper way to set the breakpoint. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 12:39:42 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:39:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Easiest way to debug html5_models? In-Reply-To: <51712AF0.1020709@tor.nl> References: <51712AF0.1020709@tor.nl> Message-ID: I do my initial testing in Firefox and use Firebug for debugging. I tend to just use console.log("blah") messages -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 12:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Easiest way to debug html5_models? Fay, John, Any pointers in how to best debug html5_model files? I have some difficulty to set a breakpoint on for example quiz.loadQ? I have PhpStorm running, and I am trying now to use chrome. But I can't find a proper way to set the breakpoint. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 12:34:53 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:34:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Those lines worry me..... Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi, > > A bit confused then.... > > So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$user_sessions` ; > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_keys` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$lti_user` ; > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I don't bother deleting the tables... > > Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > > That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do > that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, > > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >> even > with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; > > >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >> out > before warning... > > >> I get : > > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott > ingham.ac.uk> > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> > >> ] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott > ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Is $development = true; ?? > > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > > >> From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces@ > list> > >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham > .ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > >> How do I fix this issue? 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 12:47:24 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:47:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC925F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <024801ce3ced$f8515ac0$e8f41040$@co.uk> <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I usually just use console.log() to log stuff in the js Have you seen the instructions here http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/webhelp/enabling-disabling-and-removing-breakpoints.html Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:19 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I want to have dynamic this weekend, so we have some time to test that functionality as well. You should be able to install over the top and run upgrade.php, and yes you will end up with some duplicate files. But cleaning up would be better/nicer. Tom Op 19-4-2013 13:06, Ron Mitchell schreef: One of the things that is different now for upgrading and is inevitable and unavoidable but different to what we've had previously is that it's not really as simple as dropping 2.0 code over the top of a previous install. I'm not sure if there are any major issues with doing that but at the very least it results in duplicated files and for instance if you update templates via management you end up with two site templates because the template has been moved to its own folder now. Obviously there's been some consolidation of existing files too. I'll try to find time between now and the end of next week to write a short upgrading guide or reference and add it to the documentation folder e.g. what files/folders to remove and what to leave in place before dropping the new code over the top of what's left. I think I have a good handle on that but if anyone has any relevant comments please post here asap. I'm assuming the zip isn't going to be built until at least Thursday? Or will that be dynamic by then Tom? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 10:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application stuff? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 10:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, I've still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all nearly ready now? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3CFB.336359D0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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I tend to just use console.log("blah") messages > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 12:31 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Easiest way to debug html5_models? > > Fay, John, > > Any pointers in how to best debug html5_model files? I have some difficulty to set a breakpoint on for example quiz.loadQ? > > I have PhpStorm running, and I am trying now to use chrome. But I can't find a proper way to set the breakpoint. > > Tom > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 13:32:12 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:32:12 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9273B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> That's a good idea. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 12:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Those lines worry me..... Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi, > > A bit confused then.... > > So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$user_sessions` ; > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_keys` ; > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > `$lti_user` ; > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I don't bother deleting the tables... > > Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > > That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do > that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > > Tom > > Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, > > >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >> even > with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> $templateProperties; > > >> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >> out > before warning... > > >> I get : > > >> site_site > >> xerte_Nottingham > >> xerte_Rss > > >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> in the available templates) > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott > ingham.ac.uk> > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> > >> ] > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Sure, but the code isn't working. > > >> From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk s.nott > ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> Is $development = true; ?? > > >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > >> Regards, > > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > > >> From: > > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces@ > list> > >> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham > .ac> > >> .uk>) > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > therefore can't see any other errors etc? > > >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number > >> SC021474 > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number > >> SC021474 > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 > >> 219,en.html > > >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 > >> 5691,en.html > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> uk> > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and > may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC925F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <024801ce3ced$f8515ac0$e8f41040$@co.uk> <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92745@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > I want to have dynamic this weekend, so we have some time to test that functionality as well. Let me know the URL to link to when you sort it out, J From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 12:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? I want to have dynamic this weekend, so we have some time to test that functionality as well. You should be able to install over the top and run upgrade.php, and yes you will end up with some duplicate files. But cleaning up would be better/nicer. Tom Op 19-4-2013 13:06, Ron Mitchell schreef: One of the things that is different now for upgrading and is inevitable and unavoidable but different to what we've had previously is that it's not really as simple as dropping 2.0 code over the top of a previous install. I'm not sure if there are any major issues with doing that but at the very least it results in duplicated files and for instance if you update templates via management you end up with two site templates because the template has been moved to its own folder now. Obviously there's been some consolidation of existing files too. I'll try to find time between now and the end of next week to write a short upgrading guide or reference and add it to the documentation folder e.g. what files/folders to remove and what to leave in place before dropping the new code over the top of what's left. I think I have a good handle on that but if anyone has any relevant comments please post here asap. I'm assuming the zip isn't going to be built until at least Thursday? Or will that be dynamic by then Tom? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 10:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application stuff? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 10:33 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Hi, I've still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Great stuff, we're nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? What's left to check in before we zip it up? It looks like it's all nearly ready now? [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D02.E6F57D00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 18 April 2013 18:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Yeah I had to duplicate lots of the Xerte files and xerte language files over - for some reason even after clicking on add in tortoise it didn't commit. Only just got chance to get on wifi from work (using laptop to make commits). Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Works now! Tortoise svn showed those files as added e.g. they were completely missing? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 18 April 2013 17:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Fixed. These files are probably the files that somehow bounced on Pat Tom Op 18-4-2013 18:38, Julian Tenney schreef: > thanks. I really want to be working wth the svn code, rather than old > backups I've been using the last few days, and if we're still aiming > for next Friday we all need to start installing it and testing it as > much as possible, thanks for all the effort this last week, it's > great, ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:36 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Didn't test that one. Will check a.s.a.p. > > Tom > Op 18-4-2013 18:34, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Correction the public play link does work now - just editing that doesn't. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 18 April 2013 17:25 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > That's the error I reported last night and I just updated from svn and that issue still exists. e.g. preview of an existing site project works but the public link doesn't and neither does creating a new site or editing an existing site. That said the initial directory and xml does get created you just can't edit it. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > But then I hit this, so I'm still a bit stuffed. > > [cid:part4.09060300.05020500 at tor.nl] > > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I may have misunderstood $development > > Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > OK, step by step: > > > > I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > > > I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > > > Update the svn and export > > > > Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > > > Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > > > It runs > > > > Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > > > Have you all checked everything in? > > > > [cid:part9.03090003.07020009 at tor.nl] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Hi, > > > > It's working for me as well. > > > > Tom > > > > Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> Hi, >> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... even with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> $templateProperties; stick print $attributeName."
"; in before >> it and see what comes out before warning... >> I get : >> site_site >> xerte_Nottingham >> xerte_Rss >> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> in the available templates) Regards, John Smith | Learning >> Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & >> Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | >> Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> >] >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ts.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> Is $development = true; ?? >> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. Regards, John Smith >> Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow >> Caledonian University >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t>> bounces at list> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c>> ttingham.ac> >> .uk>) >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and therefore can't see any other errors etc? >> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en.html >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> .uk> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> References: <011301ce3c5b$7e93f7c0$7bbbe740$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9252C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC925F2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <024801ce3ced$f8515ac0$e8f41040$@co.uk> <51712812.9050905@tor.nl> Message-ID: <6AFAC29D-DF85-49E0-8A3A-EE09B170D2D5@pgogywebstuff.com> Once the release zip is complete, write a script to compare the folder trees and delete the extra Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:18, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I want to have dynamic this weekend, so we have some time to test that functionality as well. > > You should be able to install over the top and run upgrade.php, and yes you will end up with some duplicate files. > > But cleaning up would be better/nicer. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 13:06, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> One of the things that is different now for upgrading and is inevitable and unavoidable but different to what we've had previously is that it's not really as simple as dropping 2.0 code over the top of a previous install. >> >> I'm not sure if there are any major issues with doing that but at the very least it results in duplicated files and for instance if you update templates via management you end up with two site templates because the template has been moved to its own folder now. Obviously there's been some consolidation of existing files too. >> >> I'll try to find time between now and the end of next week to write a short upgrading guide or reference and add it to the documentation folder e.g. what files/folders to remove and what to leave in place before dropping the new code over the top of what's left. I think I have a good handle on that but if anyone has any relevant comments please post here asap. >> >> I'm assuming the zip isn't going to be built until at least Thursday? Or will that be dynamic by then Tom? >> >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: 19 April 2013 10:34 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> OK. Is there anything outstanding with the main php / web application stuff? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 19 April 2013 10:33 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> Hi, >> >> I?ve still got the flickr model to check in.. having a bit of issue with it but hope to get it in soon? >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:51 AM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> Great stuff, we?re nearly there I think now. Small bug: the string XERTE_PREVIEW_TITLE shows for the window title: can I fix that easily? >> >> What?s left to check in before we zip it up? 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Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn't scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the 'preview' button: [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0A.2D6C1B70] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 116909 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 14:29:56 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:29:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9279C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0A.5D6ACA10] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. 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Op 19-4-2013 15:23, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Another language string one: > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 79478 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 14:35:57 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9279C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927A5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Just trying to figure out what's happening if I try it in chrome, hang on. Does everything work for you in FF? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 14:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox So it's not related to my new upload script? Can you onfirm that it was via the engine uploader that it worked in Firefox? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:30 PM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. 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Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > > No, hang on, the wizard's not in the picture... > > Highlight a project. > > Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE > > It worked fine if I preview from the wizard... > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 19 April 2013 14:29 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > OK, thanks, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 19 April 2013 14:27 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for > xerte. > > You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is > the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Doesn't scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click > the 'preview' button: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[cid:image002.png at 01CE3D0B.C9DFB920] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. [cid:image003.png at 01CE3D0B.C9DFB920] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 19180 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0B.DEDF16E0] Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard's not in the picture... Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:30 PM To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. 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Small files do upload. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 19 April 2013 14:30 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox > > Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file > called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. > > Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the > goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, > it worked. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 14:50:01 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:50:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9279C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok, must be php.ini settings otherwise no files would upload... To date for me at this end the uploader works in all 3 browsers with xerte static auth and with Moodle 1.9 and Moodle 2.0, not tried Moodle 2.1-4 but they should be fine I think as they use the same cookie structure... Would be great if others could test this though as I'm testing on XAMPP and haven't tried LDAP Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:40 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox No, it doesn't work in Chrome either. If I try via media and quota, I get this: but I've changed the php.ini file. Small files do upload. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0C.921366D0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. [cid:image002.png at 01CE3D0C.921366D0] Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:41 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0D.570BE6B0] Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard's not in the picture... Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn't scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the 'preview' button: [cid:image002.png at 01CE3D0D.570BE6B0] _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 14:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The function getSessionID is not right in site/edit.php... Copy the one from xerte/edit.php which passes extra params... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:41 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0D.A62EB0B0] Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard's not in the picture... Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 14:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox Ok, must be php.ini settings otherwise no files would upload... To date for me at this end the uploader works in all 3 browsers with xerte static auth and with Moodle 1.9 and Moodle 2.0, not tried Moodle 2.1-4 but they should be fine I think as they use the same cookie structure... Would be great if others could test this though as I'm testing on XAMPP and haven't tried LDAP Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:40 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox No, it doesn't work in Chrome either. If I try via media and quota, I get this: but I've changed the php.ini file. Small files do upload. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0D.CEFE3B00] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. [cid:image002.png at 01CE3D0D.CEFE3B00] Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox Or other auth methods (moodle?) where the sessions are more complicated? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 14:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox Ok, must be php.ini settings otherwise no files would upload... To date for me at this end the uploader works in all 3 browsers with xerte static auth and with Moodle 1.9 and Moodle 2.0, not tried Moodle 2.1-4 but they should be fine I think as they use the same cookie structure... Would be great if others could test this though as I'm testing on XAMPP and haven't tried LDAP Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:40 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox No, it doesn't work in Chrome either. If I try via media and quota, I get this: but I've changed the php.ini file. Small files do upload. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0E.9EE705E0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. 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Here's something I've noticed: in the past, when you had a workspace with enough projects in it to make it scroll, the drag and dropping of projects to folders could be a bit dodgy: the project would hover offset from the mouse pointer. That seems much better now, but I don't remember anyone looking at it - did someone change things here? Or is it because I've got a new PC / latest browsers etc? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 15:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox No it should be working in Moodle 1.9 and 2.0... Ron has confirmed Moodle 1.9 on techdis and I've tried both on XAMPP, and they all work in Firefox too... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox Or other auth methods (moodle?) where the sessions are more complicated? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 14:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox Ok, must be php.ini settings otherwise no files would upload... To date for me at this end the uploader works in all 3 browsers with xerte static auth and with Moodle 1.9 and Moodle 2.0, not tried Moodle 2.1-4 but they should be fine I think as they use the same cookie structure... Would be great if others could test this though as I'm testing on XAMPP and haven't tried LDAP Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:40 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Uploading from Firefox No, it doesn't work in Chrome either. If I try via media and quota, I get this: but I've changed the php.ini file. Small files do upload. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3D0F.980E97A0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Uploading from Firefox Is this the right stuff in php.ini? I can upload a small text file called spoof.mp4 as a video, and not a 20.5MB 'proper' mp4 file. Also, something went wrong when I demoed the upload of graphics in the goto meeting today, which I think is related. When I tried it again, it worked. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 15:10:28 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:10:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah In-Reply-To: <517146EF.60104@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92793@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517146EF.60104@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Something inconsistent here. Sometimes you see it sometimes you don't... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah I've fixed this before.... That should be defined in languages/en-GB/modules/xerte/index.inc It works for me, but my site is not completely up to date. Will have a look. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:10 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah Something inconsistent here. Sometimes you see it sometimes you don't... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah I've fixed this before.... That should be defined in languages/en-GB/modules/xerte/index.inc It works for me, but my site is not completely up to date. Will have a look. 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Despite the few bugs I've noted, it all looks pretty good, but please, everyone, test it as much as possible, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 19 April 2013 15:16 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah Yes I was seeing this last night after update... was thinking it was because of Pat's problems with SVN but perhaps it's something else... Have you tried forcing a cache refresh though? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:10 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah Something inconsistent here. Sometimes you see it sometimes you don't... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah I've fixed this before.... That should be defined in languages/en-GB/modules/xerte/index.inc It works for me, but my site is not completely up to date. Will have a look. 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FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 19 April 2013 14:48 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template ? The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file ? The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [1] Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney wrote: Same thing here. ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [3] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [4]] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 19 April 2013 14:39 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template ? It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? ? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE ? It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [5] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [6]] ON BEHALF OF Julian Tenney SENT: 19 April 2013 14:29 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template ? OK, thanks, ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [7] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [8]] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 19 April 2013 14:27 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template ? It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do? The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. 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Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Those lines worry me..... > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A bit confused then.... >> >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? >> >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$user_sessions` ; >> >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_keys` ; >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$lti_user` ; >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >> Tenney >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> I don't bother deleting the tables... >> >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >> >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would do >> that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >> I may have misunderstood $development >> >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >> >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >> OK, step by step: >> >> >> >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >> >> >> >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >> >> >> >> Update the svn and export >> >> >> >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >> >> >> >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >> >> >> >> It runs >> >> >> >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >> >> >> >> Have you all checked everything in? >> >> >> >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nott ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> It's working for me as well. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >> >>> Hi, >> >> >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>> even >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> >> >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> >>> $templateProperties; >> >> >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >>> out >> before warning... >> >> >>> I get : >> >> >>> site_site >> >>> xerte_Nottingham >> >>> xerte_Rss >> >> >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> >>> in the available templates) >> >> >>> Regards, >> >> >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> >>> ________________________________________ >> >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nott >> ingham.ac.uk> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> ] >> >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> >> >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s.nott >> ingham.ac.uk> >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> >>> John >> >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >>> Is $development = true; ?? >> >> >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >> >> >>> Regards, >> >> >>> John Smith >> >>> Learning Technologist >> >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >>> From: >> >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces@ >> list> >> >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham >> .ac> >> >>> .uk>) >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> >> >>> How do I fix this issue? 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 15:35:48 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Those lines worry me..... > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A bit confused then.... >> >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? >> >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$user_sessions` ; >> >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF >> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >> Tenney >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> I don't bother deleting the tables... >> >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >> >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would >> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >> I may have misunderstood $development >> >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >> >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >> >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >> OK, step by step: >> >> >> >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >> >> >> >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >> >> >> >> Update the svn and export >> >> >> >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >> >> >> >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >> >> >> >> It runs >> >> >> >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >> >> >> >> Have you all checked everything in? >> >> >> >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> It's working for me as well. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >> >>> Hi, >> >> >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>> even >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >> >> >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >> >>> $templateProperties; >> >> >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >>> out >> before warning... >> >> >>> I get : >> >> >>> site_site >> >>> xerte_Nottingham >> >>> xerte_Rss >> >> >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >> >>> in the available templates) >> >> >>> Regards, >> >> >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> >>> ________________________________________ >> >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t >> s.nott >> ingham.ac.uk> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> k >>> ] >> >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >> >> >>> From: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t >> s.nott >> ingham.ac.uk> >> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Smith, >> >>> John >> >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> >>> Is $development = true; ?? >> >> >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >> >> >>> Regards, >> >> >>> John Smith >> >>> Learning Technologist >> >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >>> From: >> >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> t >> > o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces >> @ >> list> >> >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> c >> > o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha >> m >> .ac> >> >>> .uk>) >> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >> >> >>> How do I fix this issue? 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In-Reply-To: References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <023AB792-9D8E-4C23-B19D-E86C03CA0E5E@pgogywebstuff.com> Quite, And that's a bit of a change as it will remove all of the projects from the database? So a bit erm, risky? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:35, "Smith, John" wrote: > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > >> Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... >> >> Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... >> >> Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> Pgogy >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> Those lines worry me..... >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >> a fair to middling quality >> >> On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A bit confused then.... >>> >>> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? >>> >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP >>> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP >>> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$user_sessions` ; >>> >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF >>> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >>> Tenney >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> I don't bother deleting the tables... >>> >>> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >>> >>> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would >>> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> I may have misunderstood $development >>> >>> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >>> >>> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>> OK, step by step: >>> >>> >>> >>> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >>> >>> >>> >>> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >>> >>> >>> >>> Update the svn and export >>> >>> >>> >>> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >>> >>> >>> >>> It runs >>> >>> >>> >>> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >>> >>> >>> >>> Have you all checked everything in? >>> >>> >>> >>> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> It's working for me as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> >>> >>>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>>> even >>> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >>> >>> >>>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >>> >>>> $templateProperties; >>> >>> >>>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes >>>> out >>> before warning... >>> >>> >>>> I get : >>> >>> >>>> site_site >>> >>>> xerte_Nottingham >>> >>>> xerte_Rss >>> >>> >>>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up >>> >>>> in the available templates) >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >>> >>>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>> >>>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> t >>> s.nott >>> ingham.ac.uk> >>> >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> >>>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> k >>>> ] >>> >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >>> >>> >>>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> t >>> s.nott >>> ingham.ac.uk> >>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Smith, >>> >>>> John >>> >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> Is $development = true; ?? >>> >>> >>>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> John Smith >>> >>>> Learning Technologist >>> >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>>> From: >>> >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> t >>> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces >>> @ >>> list> >>> >>>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> >>>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> c >>> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha >>> m >>> .ac> >>> >>>> .uk>) >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> How do I fix this issue? 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>> number >>> SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >>> 6 >>> 219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >>> 1 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 >> 219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 >> 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 15:55:20 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:55:20 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <023AB792-9D8E-4C23-B19D-E86C03CA0E5E@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> <023AB792-9D8E-4C23-B19D-E86C03CA0E5E@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92835@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... ALL of them? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 15:49 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Quite, And that's a bit of a change as it will remove all of the projects from the database? So a bit erm, risky? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:35, "Smith, John" wrote: > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > >> Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... >> >> Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... >> >> Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> Pgogy >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> Those lines worry me..... >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >> a fair to middling quality >> >> On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A bit confused then.... >>> >>> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? >>> >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP >>> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$user_sessions` ; >>> >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF >>> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Julian Tenney >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Smith, John >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> I don't bother deleting the tables... >>> >>> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >>> >>> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would >>> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> I may have misunderstood $development >>> >>> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >>> >>> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>> OK, step by step: >>> >>> >>> >>> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >>> >>> >>> >>> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >>> >>> >>> >>> Update the svn and export >>> >>> >>> >>> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >>> >>> >>> >>> It runs >>> >>> >>> >>> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >>> >>> >>> >>> Have you all checked everything in? >>> >>> >>> >>> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> It's working for me as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> >>> >>>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>>> even >>> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >>> >>> >>>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >>> >>>> $templateProperties; >>> >>> >>>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what >>>> comes out >>> before warning... >>> >>> >>>> I get : >>> >>> >>>> site_site >>> >>>> xerte_Nottingham >>> >>>> xerte_Rss >>> >>> >>>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show >>>> up >>> >>>> in the available templates) >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >>> >>>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> | >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>> >>>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t >>> s.nott >>> ingham.ac.uk> >>> >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> i s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> >>>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> u >>>> k >>>> ] >>> >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >>> >>> >>>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t >>> s.nott >>> ingham.ac.uk> >>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Smith, >>> >>>> John >>> >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> Is $development = true; ?? >>> >>> >>>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> John Smith >>> >>>> Learning Technologist >>> >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>>> From: >>> >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t >>> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounce >>> s >>> @ >>> list> >>> >>>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> >>>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> a >>> c >>> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingh >>> a >>> m >>> .ac> >>> >>>> .uk>) >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and >>> therefore can't see any other errors etc? >>> >>> >>>> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >>> >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>> number >>> >>>> SC021474 >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative >>>> of the >>> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 6 >>> >>>> 219,en.html >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early >>>> Career >>> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 1 >>> >>>> 5691,en.html >>> >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>> number >>> >>>> SC021474 >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative >>>> of the >>> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 6 >>> >>>> 219,en.html >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early >>>> Career >>> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 1 >>> >>>> 5691,en.html >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> uk> >>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> addressee and >>> may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: References: , <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com>, Message-ID: I'd have to agree, especially with a main number version change.Or at least tell them they are about to wipe out the database: Yes No Cancel > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:48 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > John > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > > Pgogy > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Those lines worry me..... > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > > a fair to middling quality > > > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A bit confused then.... > >> > >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$user_sessions` ; > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF > >> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > >> Tenney > >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > >> Mitchell > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I don't bother deleting the tables... > >> > >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health and Life Sciences > >> > >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > >> > >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would > >> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > >> I may have misunderstood $development > >> > >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > >> > >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. > >> > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> OK, step by step: > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > >> > >> > >> > >> Update the svn and export > >> > >> > >> > >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > >> > >> > >> > >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > >> > >> > >> > >> It runs > >> > >> > >> > >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > >> > >> > >> > >> Have you all checked everything in? > >> > >> > >> > >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> It's working for me as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> > >>> Hi, > >> > >> > >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > >>> even > >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > >> > >> > >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> > >>> $templateProperties; > >> > >> > >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > >>> out > >> before warning... > >> > >> > >>> I get : > >> > >> > >>> site_site > >> > >>> xerte_Nottingham > >> > >>> xerte_Rss > >> > >> > >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> > >>> in the available templates) > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> > >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> > >>> ________________________________________ > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >>> k > >>> ] > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > >>> Smith, > >> > >>> John > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Is $development = true; ?? > >> > >> > >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith > >> > >>> Learning Technologist > >> > >>> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces > >> @ > >> list> > >> > >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> > >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c > >> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha > >> m > >> .ac> > >> > >>> .uk>) > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > >> therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> > >> > >>> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > >> > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >>> number > >> > >>> SC021474 > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > >>> of the > >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 6 > >> > >>> 219,en.html > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > >>> Career > >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 1 > >> > >>> 5691,en.html > >> > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >>> number > >> > >>> SC021474 > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > >>> of the > >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 6 > >> > >>> 219,en.html > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > >>> Career > >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 1 > >> > >>> 5691,en.html > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > >>> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> > >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> uk> > >> > >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> > >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > >>> addressee and > >> may contain confidential information. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 19 15:55:00 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:55:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92793@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517146EF.60104@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <576AD9F5-F5BC-43E5-AE0D-40A364FF9AC9@pgogywebstuff.com> Don't think it was me Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:15, "Smith, John" wrote: > Yes I was seeing this last night after update? was thinking it was because of Pat?s problems with SVN but perhaps it?s something else? > > Have you tried forcing a cache refresh though? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:10 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah > > Something inconsistent here. Sometimes you see it sometimes you don?t? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:30 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah > > I've fixed this before.... > > That should be defined in languages/en-GB/modules/xerte/index.inc > > It works for me, but my site is not completely up to date. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template in template_management.js there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Where?s the window.open call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 16:06:23 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:06:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92835@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> <023AB792-9D8E-4C23-B19D-E86C03CA0E5E@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92835@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I don't know for sure, that is the question... I didn't think it would have but then when I found the missing $ in /setup/basic.sql I noticed all the DROP TABLE statements at the start... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:55 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... ALL of them? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 15:49 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Quite, And that's a bit of a change as it will remove all of the projects from the database? So a bit erm, risky? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:35, "Smith, John" wrote: > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > >> Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... >> >> Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... >> >> Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> Pgogy >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> Those lines worry me..... >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >> a fair to middling quality >> >> On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A bit confused then.... >>> >>> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? >>> >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP >>> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$user_sessions` ; >>> >>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF >>> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Julian Tenney >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Smith, John >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> I don't bother deleting the tables... >>> >>> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >>> >>> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would >>> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> I may have misunderstood $development >>> >>> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >>> >>> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >>> >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>> OK, step by step: >>> >>> >>> >>> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >>> >>> >>> >>> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >>> >>> >>> >>> Update the svn and export >>> >>> >>> >>> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >>> >>> >>> >>> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >>> >>> >>> >>> It runs >>> >>> >>> >>> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >>> >>> >>> >>> Have you all checked everything in? >>> >>> >>> >>> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> It's working for me as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> >>> >>>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>>> even >>> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >>> >>> >>>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >>> >>>> $templateProperties; >>> >>> >>>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what >>>> comes out >>> before warning... >>> >>> >>>> I get : >>> >>> >>>> site_site >>> >>>> xerte_Nottingham >>> >>>> xerte_Rss >>> >>> >>>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show >>>> up >>> >>>> in the available templates) >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >>> >>>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> | >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>> >>>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t >>> s.nott >>> ingham.ac.uk> >>> >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> i s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> >>>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> u >>>> k >>>> ] >>> >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >>> >>> >>>> From: >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t >>> s.nott >>> ingham.ac.uk> >>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Smith, >>> >>>> John >>> >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> Is $development = true; ?? >>> >>> >>>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>> >>>> John Smith >>> >>>> Learning Technologist >>> >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>>> From: >>> >>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> s >>> t >>> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounce >>> s >>> @ >>> list> >>> >>>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>> >>>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> a >>> c >>> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingh >>> a >>> m >>> .ac> >>> >>>> .uk>) >>> >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >>> >>> >>>> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and >>> therefore can't see any other errors etc? >>> >>> >>>> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >>> >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>> number >>> >>>> SC021474 >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative >>>> of the >>> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 6 >>> >>>> 219,en.html >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early >>>> Career >>> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 1 >>> >>>> 5691,en.html >>> >>> >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>> number >>> >>>> SC021474 >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative >>>> of the >>> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 6 >>> >>>> 219,en.html >>> >>> >>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early >>>> Career >>> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> >>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>> e >>>> , >>>> 1 >>> >>>> 5691,en.html >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> uk> >>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> addressee and >>> may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92835@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> <023AB792-9D8E-4C23-B19D-E86C03CA0E5E@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92835@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Seems to be all of them Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:55, Julian Tenney wrote: >> appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > ALL of them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 19 April 2013 15:49 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Quite, > > And that's a bit of a change as it will remove all of the projects from the database? So a bit erm, risky? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:35, "Smith, John" wrote: > >> I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) >> >> If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> Pgogy >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >> >> Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? >> >> Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >> a fair to middling quality >> >> On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: >> >>> Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... >>> >>> Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... >>> >>> Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >>> Pgogy >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>> >>> Those lines worry me..... >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of >>> a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> A bit confused then.... >>>> >>>> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? >>>> >>>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>>> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>>> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; >>>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>>> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; >>>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>>> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP >>>> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>>> `$user_sessions` ; >>>> >>>> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS >>>> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF >>>> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Julian Tenney >>>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Smith, John >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 >>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> I don't bother deleting the tables... >>>> >>>> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. >>>> >>>> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would >>>> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> I may have misunderstood $development >>>> >>>> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? >>>> >>>> If I turn it to false it runs OK. >>>> >>>> From: >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> s >>>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> >>>> OK, step by step: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Update the svn and export >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It runs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Have you all checked everything in? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> s >>>> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>>> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It's working for me as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... >>>>> even >>>> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = >>>> >>>>> $templateProperties; >>>> >>>> >>>>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what >>>>> comes out >>>> before warning... >>>> >>>> >>>>> I get : >>>> >>>> >>>>> site_site >>>> >>>>> xerte_Nottingham >>>> >>>>> xerte_Rss >>>> >>>> >>>>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show >>>>> up >>>> >>>>> in the available templates) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> John Smith | Learning Technologist >>>> >>>>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences >>>>> | >>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >>>> >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>> >>>>> From: >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> s >>>> t >>>> s.nott >>>> ingham.ac.uk> >>>> >>>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> i s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>>> >>>>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>>> u >>>>> k >>>>> ] >>>> >>>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>>> >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sure, but the code isn't working. >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> s >>>> t >>>> s.nott >>>> ingham.ac.uk> >>>> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> Smith, >>>> >>>>> John >>>> >>>>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 >>>> >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Is $development = true; ?? >>>> >>>> >>>>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> John Smith >>>> >>>>> Learning Technologist >>>> >>>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: >>>> >>>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> s >>>> t >>>> >>> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounce >>>> s >>>> @ >>>> list> >>>> >>>>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM >>>> >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> >>>> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>> a >>>> c >>>> >>> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingh >>>> a >>>> m >>>> .ac> >>>> >>>>> .uk>) >>>> >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? >>>> >>>> >>>>> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and >>>> therefore can't see any other errors etc? >>>> >>>> >>>>> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] >>>> >>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>>> number >>>> >>>>> SC021474 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative >>>>> of the >>>> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>> >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>>> e >>>>> , >>>>> 6 >>>> >>>>> 219,en.html >>>> >>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early >>>>> Career >>>> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>> >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>>> e >>>>> , >>>>> 1 >>>> >>>>> 5691,en.html >>>> >>>> >>>>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>>>> number >>>> >>>>> SC021474 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative >>>>> of the >>>> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>>> >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>>> e >>>>> , >>>>> 6 >>>> >>>>> 219,en.html >>>> >>>> >>>>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early >>>>> Career >>>> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>>> >>>>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/nam >>>>> e >>>>> , >>>>> 1 >>>> >>>>> 5691,en.html >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>> uk> >>>> >>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>> addressee and >>>> may contain confidential information. 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In-Reply-To: References: <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com> <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <0F8A3EB2-3337-4319-8EE2-E40356D63A39@pgogywebstuff.com> But why run it twice? You setup then upgrade? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:53, Dave Burnett wrote: > > I'd have to agree, especially with a main number version change. > Or at least tell them they are about to wipe out the database: Yes No Cancel > > > > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:48 +0100 > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > > > > > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > > > > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Smith > > > Learning Technologist > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > > John > > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > > > > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Smith > > > Learning Technologist > > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > > > Pgogy > > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > > > Those lines worry me..... > > > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > > > a fair to middling quality > > > > > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> A bit confused then.... > > >> > > >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > > >> > > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > > >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > > >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > > >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > > >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > > >> `$user_sessions` ; > > >> > > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > > >> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF > > >> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> John Smith > > >> Learning Technologist > > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > > >> Tenney > > >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > > >> Mitchell > > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > > >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > >> John > > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > > >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> I don't bother deleting the tables... > > >> > > >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> John Smith > > >> Learning Technologist > > >> School of Health and Life Sciences > > >> > > >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Tom Reijnders wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > > >> > > >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would > > >> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> > > >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > > >> I may have misunderstood $development > > >> > > >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > > >> > > >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. > > >> > > >> From: > > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> > > >> OK, step by step: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Update the svn and export > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> It runs > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Have you all checked everything in? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: > > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> It's working for me as well. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >> > > >> > > >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > > >>> even > > >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > > >> > > >> > > >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > > >> > > >>> $templateProperties; > > >> > > >> > > >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > > >>> out > > >> before warning... > > >> > > >> > > >>> I get : > > >> > > >> > > >>> site_site > > >> > > >>> xerte_Nottingham > > >> > > >>> xerte_Rss > > >> > > >> > > >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > > >> > > >>> in the available templates) > > >> > > >> > > >>> Regards, > > >> > > >> > > >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist > > >> > > >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > > >> > > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > >> > > >>> ________________________________________ > > >> > > >>> From: > > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> t > > >> s.nott > > >> ingham.ac.uk> > > >> > > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > >> > > >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk > >>> k > > >>> ] > > >> > > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > > >> > > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >> > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> > > >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. > > >> > > >> > > >>> From: > > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> t > > >> s.nott > > >> ingham.ac.uk> > > >> > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > > >>> Smith, > > >> > > >>> John > > >> > > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > > >> > > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >> > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > >> > > >> > > >>> Is $development = true; ?? > > >> > > >> > > >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > > >> > > >> > > >>> Regards, > > >> > > >> > > >>> John Smith > > >> > > >>> Learning Technologist > > >> > > >>> School of Health & Life Sciences > > >> > > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University > > >> > > >> > > >>> From: > > >> > > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> t > > >> > >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces > > >> @ > > >> list> > > >> > > >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > > >> > > >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > > >> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > > >> > > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > > >> > > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> c > > >> > >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha > > >> m > > >> .ac> > > >> > > >>> .uk>) > > >> > > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > > >> > > >> > > >>> How do I fix this issue? 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 19 16:09:29 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:09:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9283F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9283F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yep, so you want to be able to set the editor and preview windows to scroll? I think this might work - try removing the preview size, or setting it to *,* Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:59, Julian Tenney wrote: > We should make it so the info file carries the window.open options as well, as you just set height and width: could you add editor scrolling or similar? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > in template_management.js > > there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > > Where?s the window.open call? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > > The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file > > > The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Same thing here. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. > > > Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? > > Highlight a project. > Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE > > It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > OK, thanks, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. > > You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Fri Apr 19 16:20:16 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: <0F8A3EB2-3337-4319-8EE2-E40356D63A39@pgogywebstuff.com> References: , <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <0F8A3EB2-3337-4319-8EE2-E40356D63A39@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Who knows?I do know I've seen the advice "re-install" given on the Xerte list.On desktop, you get asked if you want to save your snippets.What would a warning cost? From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:10 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? But why run it twice? You setup then upgrade? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:53, Dave Burnett wrote: I'd have to agree, especially with a main number version change.Or at least tell them they are about to wipe out the database: Yes No Cancel > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:48 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" wrote: > > > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > John > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > > Pgogy > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Those lines worry me..... > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > > a fair to middling quality > > > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A bit confused then.... > >> > >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$user_sessions` ; > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF > >> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > >> Tenney > >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > >> Mitchell > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I don't bother deleting the tables... > >> > >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health and Life Sciences > >> > >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > >> > >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would > >> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > >> I may have misunderstood $development > >> > >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > >> > >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. > >> > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> OK, step by step: > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > >> > >> > >> > >> Update the svn and export > >> > >> > >> > >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > >> > >> > >> > >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > >> > >> > >> > >> It runs > >> > >> > >> > >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > >> > >> > >> > >> Have you all checked everything in? > >> > >> > >> > >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> It's working for me as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> > >>> Hi, > >> > >> > >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > >>> even > >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > >> > >> > >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> > >>> $templateProperties; > >> > >> > >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > >>> out > >> before warning... > >> > >> > >>> I get : > >> > >> > >>> site_site > >> > >>> xerte_Nottingham > >> > >>> xerte_Rss > >> > >> > >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> > >>> in the available templates) > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> > >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> > >>> ________________________________________ > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >>> k > >>> ] > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > >>> Smith, > >> > >>> John > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Is $development = true; ?? > >> > >> > >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith > >> > >>> Learning Technologist > >> > >>> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces > >> @ > >> list> > >> > >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> > >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c > >> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha > >> m > >> .ac> > >> > >>> .uk>) > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> How do I fix this issue? It means I can't run the latest code, and > >> therefore can't see any other errors etc? > >> > >> > >>> [cid:image001.png at 01CE3C3A.AF25C1A0] > >> > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >>> number > >> > >>> SC021474 > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > >>> of the > >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 6 > >> > >>> 219,en.html > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > >>> Career > >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 1 > >> > >>> 5691,en.html > >> > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, > >>> number > >> > >>> SC021474 > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative > >>> of the > >> Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 6 > >> > >>> 219,en.html > >> > >> > >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early > >>> Career > >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > >> > >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name > >>> , > >>> 1 > >> > >>> 5691,en.html > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > >>> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> > >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> uk> > >> > >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> > >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > >>> addressee and > >> may contain confidential information. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 16:36:06 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:36:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: References: , <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <0F8A3EB2-3337-4319-8EE2-E40356D63A39@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Again, I know... it's not for those who install as such.. It's mainly for those who for forget to delete setup - it should prevent you running twice not just assume you won't... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:20 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Who knows? I do know I've seen the advice "re-install" given on the Xerte list. On desktop, you get asked if you want to save your snippets. What would a warning cost? ________________________________ From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:10 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? But why run it twice? You setup then upgrade? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:53, Dave Burnett > wrote: I'd have to agree, especially with a main number version change. Or at least tell them they are about to wipe out the database: Yes No Cancel > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:48 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > John > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > > Pgogy > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Those lines worry me..... > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > > a fair to middling quality > > > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A bit confused then.... > >> > >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$user_sessions` ; > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF > >> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > >> Tenney > >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > >> Mitchell > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I don't bother deleting the tables... > >> > >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health and Life Sciences > >> > >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > >> > >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would > >> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > >> I may have misunderstood $development > >> > >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > >> > >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. > >> > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> OK, step by step: > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > >> > >> > >> > >> Update the svn and export > >> > >> > >> > >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > >> > >> > >> > >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > >> > >> > >> > >> It runs > >> > >> > >> > >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > >> > >> > >> > >> Have you all checked everything in? > >> > >> > >> > >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> It's working for me as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> > >>> Hi, > >> > >> > >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > >>> even > >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > >> > >> > >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> > >>> $templateProperties; > >> > >> > >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > >>> out > >> before warning... > >> > >> > >>> I get : > >> > >> > >>> site_site > >> > >>> xerte_Nottingham > >> > >>> xerte_Rss > >> > >> > >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> > >>> in the available templates) > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> > >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> > >>> ________________________________________ > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >>> k > >>> ] > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > >>> Smith, > >> > >>> John > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Is $development = true; ?? > >> > >> > >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith > >> > >>> Learning Technologist > >> > >>> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces > >> @ > >> list> > >> > >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> > >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c > >> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha > >> m > >> .ac> > >> > >>> .uk>) > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> How do I fix this issue? 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 19 16:39:32 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:39:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? In-Reply-To: References: , <00da01ce3c50$ef959150$cec0b3f0$@co.uk>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9257F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , <04F9AC96-DA55-43B7-8EF4-6811B9BDA32F@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <9809BC7B-D0DD-4037-B5D1-B7A125A39BFE@pgogywebstuff.com>, , , <0F8A3EB2-3337-4319-8EE2-E40356D63A39@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Pat will fix it ;-) Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:36 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Again, I know... it's not for those who install as such.. It's mainly for those who for forget to delete setup - it should prevent you running twice not just assume you won't... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:20 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? Who knows? I do know I've seen the advice "re-install" given on the Xerte list. On desktop, you get asked if you want to save your snippets. What would a warning cost? ________________________________ From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:10 +0100 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? But why run it twice? You setup then upgrade? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:53, Dave Burnett > wrote: I'd have to agree, especially with a main number version change. Or at least tell them they are about to wipe out the database: Yes No Cancel > From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:35:48 +0100 > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > I know you wouldn't Pat but someone else might ;-) > > If for example they forget to remove setup then just now it appears as if it would drop all the tables and re-install... > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:53 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > Ok, why would I run setup twice? Someone explain that? > > Because almost all of it is built to run once and once only > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 12:34, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > > Perhaps during setup a random admin password should be created, although it can be overwritten at this stage... > > > > Then upon running setup a second time, if there is an existing install you must enter the admin password to get past step 1... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > > John > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:24 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > They don't worry me as such as I saw them and was expecting that behavior but perhaps we should check for the existence first in full setup and make the user confirm their deletion first... > > > > Not so worried in XAMPP but if we have randomized table prefix then there should never be a collision... > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > > Pgogy > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:10 PM > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > > > > Those lines worry me..... > > > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of > > a fair to middling quality > > > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 10:40, "Smith, John" > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> A bit confused then.... > >> > >> So when are the first 18 lines of basic.sql used? I recently highlighted a missing $ in basic.sql that was causing a table not to have a prefix and that error occurred when I did a full setup, not just an XAMPP one??? > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$additional_sharing`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$folderdetails`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$ldap`; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$logindetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$originaltemplatesdetails` ; > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$play_security_details` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$sitedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationcategories` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$syndicationlicenses` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$templatedetails` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$templaterights` ; DROP > >> TABLE IF EXISTS `$templatesyndication` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$user_sessions` ; > >> > >> DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_context` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS > >> `$lti_keys` ; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `$lti_resource` ; DROP TABLE IF > >> EXISTS `$lti_user` ; > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > >> Tenney > >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:42 AM > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I've always re-installed by deleting those two xampp folders and then running setup, and made the assumption that the toolkits_data folder in mysql/data IS the database (and there's not bits of it anywhere else). It's always worked at any rate, also you can switch those folders in and out of xampp to try a new build, and then go back to a working one easily enough. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > >> Mitchell > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:23 > >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> No I don't think setup drops existing tables - I think it fails to complete if the tables already exist - at least via the full install route. I never use the quick setup route. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > >> John > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 17:07 > >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> I don't bother deleting the tables... > >> > >> Doesn't setup drop them if there anyway?? > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> John Smith > >> Learning Technologist > >> School of Health and Life Sciences > >> > >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have absolutely NO idea what happens if you delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data. > >> > >> That is not the normal way to delete a database. Normally you would > >> do that in phpMySql. (also in XAMPP) > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 17:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > >> I may have misunderstood $development > >> > >> Is the site not supposed to run if it's true? > >> > >> If I turn it to false it runs OK. > >> > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 16:12 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> OK, step by step: > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/htdocs/xertetoolkits > >> > >> > >> > >> I delete xampp/mysql/data/toolkits_data > >> > >> > >> > >> Update the svn and export > >> > >> > >> > >> Copy exported folder into xampp/htdocs > >> > >> > >> > >> Go to localhost/xertetoolkits/setup, > >> > >> > >> > >> It runs > >> > >> > >> > >> Follow the link and get this so what am I doing wrong? > >> > >> > >> > >> Have you all checked everything in? > >> > >> > >> > >> [cid:part1.09040903.08020202 at tor.nl] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t s.nott ingham.ac.uk> > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > >> Sent: 18 April 2013 15:06 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> It's working for me as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> Op 18-4-2013 15:53, Smith, John schreef: > >> > >>> Hi, > >> > >> > >>> I just did a fresh checkout and it works fine for me... no warning... > >>> even > >> with $development left on... so i'm assuming you have made some changes? > >> > >> > >>> Also, assuming line 128 is $learning_objects->{$attributeName} = > >> > >>> $templateProperties; > >> > >> > >>> stick print $attributeName."
"; in before it and see what comes > >>> out > >> before warning... > >> > >> > >>> I get : > >> > >> > >>> site_site > >> > >>> xerte_Nottingham > >> > >>> xerte_Rss > >> > >> > >>> as that's all that's enabled I assume (although site doesn't show up > >> > >>> in the available templates) > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist > >> > >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > >> > >>> ________________________________________ > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> >> s ts.not tingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk >>> k > >>> ] > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Sure, but the code isn't working. > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> s.nott > >> ingham.ac.uk> > >> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > >>> Smith, > >> > >>> John > >> > >>> Sent: 18 April 2013 13:43 > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> Is $development = true; ?? > >> > >> > >>> It appears to be back on by default in the SVN. > >> > >> > >>> Regards, > >> > >> > >>> John Smith > >> > >>> Learning Technologist > >> > >>> School of Health & Life Sciences > >> > >>> Glasgow Caledonian University > >> > >> > >>> From: > >> > >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> t > >> >> o:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev-bounces > >> @ > >> list> > >> > >>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> > >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > >> > >>> On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:28 PM > >> > >>> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> > >> (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> c > >> >> o:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingha > >> m > >> .ac> > >> > >>> .uk>) > >> > >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] What is causing this? > >> > >> > >>> How do I fix this issue? 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Op 19-4-2013 16:55, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Don't think it was me > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:15, "Smith, John" > wrote: > >> Yes I was seeing this last night after update... was thinking it was >> because of Pat's problems with SVN but perhaps it's something else... >> >> Have you tried forcing a cache refresh though? >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> >> Learning Technologist >> >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Julian Tenney >> *Sent:* Friday, April 19, 2013 3:10 PM >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah >> >> Something inconsistent here. Sometimes you see it sometimes you don't... >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >> Reijnders >> *Sent:* 19 April 2013 14:30 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: INDEX_BUTTON_PROJECT blah >> >> I've fixed this before.... >> >> That should be defined in languages/en-GB/modules/xerte/index.inc >> >> It works for me, but my site is not completely up to date. Will have >> a look. >> >> Op 19-4-2013 15:23, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> Another language string one: >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career >> Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities >> Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Sun Apr 21 11:30:48 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:30:48 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation Message-ID: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> L.S., From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: * runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root * runtime/languages/engine* -> languages * runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf * runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd * runtime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt * /runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine * runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Sun Apr 21 12:40:28 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 07:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation In-Reply-To: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> References: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> Message-ID: Sweet.Big kudos. Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:30:48 +0200 From: reijnders at tor.nl To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation L.S., From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root runtime/languages/engine* -> languages runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd runtime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt /runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sun Apr 21 14:58:48 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:58:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation Message-ID: <5wly88e3adtdyfdkbb91xn30.1366552728105@email.android.com> Great work Tom! Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: L.S., From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: * runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root * runtime/languages/engine* -> languages * runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf * runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd * runtime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt * /runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine * runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Sun Apr 21 20:32:33 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:32:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation In-Reply-To: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> References: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> Message-ID: <041001ce3ec6$f9758b80$ec60a280$@co.uk> Great stuff Tom! Have just added a guide to upgrading an existing installation to the documentation folder in word and pdf formats so will be interesting to see if that triggers an update and appears in the changelog tomorrow. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 21 April 2013 11:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation L.S., >From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_u nstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1 .91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: * runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root * runtime/languages/engine* -> languages * runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf * runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd * runtime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt * /runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine * runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or initiates a FORMAT C: /U;-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:32:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation Great stuff Tom!Have just added a guide to upgrading an existing installation to the documentation folder in word and pdf formats so will be interesting to see if that triggers an update and appears in the changelog tomorrow.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 21 April 2013 11:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation L.S., >From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are:runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> rootruntime/languages/engine* -> languagesruntime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swfruntime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwdruntime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt/runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/modelsruntime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engineruntime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engineruntime/languages/wizard* -> languagesPLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom ReijndersTOR InformaticaChopinlaan 275242HM RosmalenTel: 073 5226191Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 09:24:29 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:24:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation In-Reply-To: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> References: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Brilliant. When you've got it building 2, let me know the URL, and I'll change the Xerte site, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 21 April 2013 11:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation L.S., >From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: * runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root * runtime/languages/engine* -> languages * runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf * runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd * runtime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt * /runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine * runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 22 09:57:32 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:57:32 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5174FB7C.9060601@tor.nl> That would be after April 26? At the moment we make a branch, right? The unstable is the current trunk. Op 22-4-2013 10:24, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Brilliant. When you've got it building 2, let me know the URL, and > I'll change the Xerte site, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 21 April 2013 11:31 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation > > L.S., > > From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is > generated and uploaded to the community website: > > 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. > > 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, > because of the way the website displays the categories > - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): > http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip > - latest 1.91: > http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip > > 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to > the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an > HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The > changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. > - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): > http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html > - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html > > 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a > small png with a transparent background and black text with the date > of creation of the last file: > -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): > http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png > - latest 1.91 : > http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png > > 5. IMPORTANT!! > > The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. > I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. > For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 > repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: > > * runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root > * runtime/languages/engine* -> languages > * runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf > * runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> > modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd > * runtime/pages/template.rlt -> > modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt > * /runtime/pages/models/* -> > modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models > * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine > * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine > * runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages > > PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. > > Hope this works out. > > Tom > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 10:00:10 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:00:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation In-Reply-To: <5174FB7C.9060601@tor.nl> References: <5173BFD8.8090503@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92998@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5174FB7C.9060601@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC929F6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Yes, once we make the 2.0 branch, hopefully sometime before Friday, as I'm out of the office then,s o I'm hoping to do it on Thursday. My sense is that we are now very close... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Automatic install zip generation That would be after April 26? At the moment we make a branch, right? The unstable is the current trunk. Op 22-4-2013 10:24, Julian Tenney schreef: Brilliant. When you've got it building 2, let me know the URL, and I'll change the Xerte site, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 21 April 2013 11:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Automatic install zip generation L.S., >From now on every night at 23:30CET a new installer package is generated and uploaded to the community website: 1. This ONLY occurs if any changes were made to the SVN. 2. The URL to the zip files has unfortunately some spaces in there, because of the way the website displays the categories - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_unstable.zip - latest 1.91: http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_1.91.zip 3. To help you give some automatic feedback about the last changes to the file, an automatic CHANGELOG is added in the .zip file, and an HTML version of that file is posted on the community website. The changelog is automatically generated from the SVN logs. - unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_ChangeLog.html - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_ChangeLog.html 4. In order to be able to put a date on the website I also provide a small png with a transparent background and black text with the date of creation of the last file: -unstable (will become 2.0 real soon): http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_unstable_last_updated.png - latest 1.91 : http://www.xerte.org.uk/xertetoolkits_1.91_last_updated.png 5. IMPORTANT!! The stable versions of the svn are supposed to be self contained, i.e. I do not copy between the Xerte2 repository and the xot repository. For the unstable daily build I DO copy files from the Xerte2 repository to the Xot repository. At the moment these are: * runtime/XMLEngine.swf -> root * runtime/languages/engine* -> languages * runtime/publish/common/MainPreloader.swf * runtime/pages/wizards/en-GB/template.xwd -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/data.xwd * runtime/pages/template.rlt -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt * /runtime/pages/models/* -> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/models * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/xerte/engine * runtime/tools/wizard.swf -> modules/site/engine * runtime/languages/wizard* -> languages PLEASE let me know if you think this is NOT correct. Hope this works out. Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 10:04:00 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:04:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC9283F@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A02@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If I set it to *,* it runs in a new window the size of my desktop, no scroll bars. If I set it to * it runs in a new tab, with scrollbars It ought really to run in a new window with the scrollbars, otherwise it?s inconsistent with the Xerte toolkits template?s behaviour. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 16:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Yep, so you want to be able to set the editor and preview windows to scroll? I think this might work - try removing the preview size, or setting it to *,* Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 15:59, Julian Tenney > wrote: We should make it so the info file carries the window.open options as well, as you just set height and width: could you add editor scrolling or similar? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template in template_management.js there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Where?s the window.open call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 10:32:28 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:32:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I can?t work out whey it behaves differently for the two templates. There is window.open code in the wizard as well, but that all seems to work ? it calls preview.php, I cannot see why sometimes preview php opens in a new window and why sometimes it opens in a new tab, when the same code is doing it? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template in template_management.js there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Where?s the window.open call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 12:15:19 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:15:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: In the same browser? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:32 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template I can?t work out whey it behaves differently for the two templates. There is window.open code in the wizard as well, but that all seems to work ? it calls preview.php, I cannot see why sometimes preview php opens in a new window and why sometimes it opens in a new tab, when the same code is doing it? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template in template_management.js there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Where?s the window.open call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 13:37:05 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:37:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> yes From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 22 April 2013 12:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In the same browser? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:32 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template I can?t work out whey it behaves differently for the two templates. There is window.open code in the wizard as well, but that all seems to work ? it calls preview.php, I cannot see why sometimes preview php opens in a new window and why sometimes it opens in a new tab, when the same code is doing it? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template in template_management.js there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Where?s the window.open call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 13:44:22 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:44:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <24A1987A-4DD1-4F79-84B7-397C016614C1@pgogywebstuff.com> Because it is flash executing the call? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 13:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > yes > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 22 April 2013 12:15 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > In the same browser? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:32 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > I can?t work out whey it behaves differently for the two templates. There is window.open code in the wizard as well, but that all seems to work ? it calls preview.php, I cannot see why sometimes preview php opens in a new window and why sometimes it opens in a new tab, when the same code is doing it? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > in template_management.js > > there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > Where?s the window.open call? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > > The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file > > > The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Same thing here. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. > > > Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? > > Highlight a project. > Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE > > It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > OK, thanks, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. > > You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 13:45:07 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:45:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: <24A1987A-4DD1-4F79-84B7-397C016614C1@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <24A1987A-4DD1-4F79-84B7-397C016614C1@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Yes, it the flash doing a getURL to preview.php From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 13:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Because it is flash executing the call? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 13:37, Julian Tenney > wrote: yes From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 22 April 2013 12:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In the same browser? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:32 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template I can?t work out whey it behaves differently for the two templates. There is window.open code in the wizard as well, but that all seems to work ? it calls preview.php, I cannot see why sometimes preview php opens in a new window and why sometimes it opens in a new tab, when the same code is doing it? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template in template_management.js there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template Where?s the window.open call? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney > wrote: Same thing here. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? Highlight a project. Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template OK, thanks, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. Tom Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 22 14:14:18 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:14:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Upload Media In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BFE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BFE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C00@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Should have added And I can't delete it from the properties panel. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 22 April 2013 14:12 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Upload Media on my localhost, the URL I get when I upload media via properties isn't the full http://localhost url, it's just the end bit, 1-guest2-site/media/image.jpg in this case. What does it do on a proper setup? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 14:01:46 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:01:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC927E1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92A59@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <24A1987A-4DD1-4F79-84B7-397C016614C1@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92BC4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <874582BE-ACFC-40B4-BC18-DD336A6018A0@pgogywebstuff.com> Maybe Firefox forces the new window in flash? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 13:45, Julian Tenney wrote: > Yes, it the flash doing a getURL to preview.php > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 22 April 2013 13:44 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > Because it is flash executing the call? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 13:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > > yes > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 22 April 2013 12:15 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > In the same browser? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:32 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > I can?t work out whey it behaves differently for the two templates. There is window.open code in the wizard as well, but that all seems to work ? it calls preview.php, I cannot see why sometimes preview php opens in a new window and why sometimes it opens in a new tab, when the same code is doing it? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 19 April 2013 15:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > in template_management.js > > there is 2-3 window.open calls in there, and it should reference preview_size > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:09:04 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > Where?s the window.open call? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:48 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > > The size of the preview (when called from workspace) is set by the info file > > > The size of the preview from the wizard - guessing in Xerte > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 14:40, Julian Tenney wrote: > > Same thing here. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's working in Chrome.... and indeed not in firefox for me either. > > > Op 19-4-2013 15:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > No, hang on, the wizard?s not in the picture? > > Highlight a project. > Click the preview button IN THE WORKSPACE > > It worked fine if I preview from the wizard? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:29 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > OK, thanks, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 19 April 2013 14:27 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Previewing site template > > It's called form the wizard, see line 2373 for site, vs line 2432 for xerte. > > You know this code better than I do. The only difference I see, is the height and width are set in the case of Xerte. > > Tom > > Op 19-4-2013 15:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > Doesn?t scroll if you select it in the workspace and then click the ?preview? button: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.acuk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 14:14, Julian Tenney wrote: > Should have added > > And I can?t delete it from the properties panel. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 22 April 2013 14:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Upload Media > > on my localhost, the URL I get when I upload media via properties isn?t the full http://localhost url, it?s just the end bit, 1-guest2-site/media/image.jpg in this case. > > What does it do on a proper setup? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If everyone finds 5 bugs, that?ll be 50 fewer issues to worry about., From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 14:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Upload Media When you click on delete what happens Any JavaScript errors? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 14:14, Julian Tenney > wrote: Should have added And I can?t delete it from the properties panel. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 22 April 2013 14:12 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Upload Media on my localhost, the URL I get when I upload media via properties isn?t the full http://localhost url, it?s just the end bit, 1-guest2-site/media/image.jpg in this case. What does it do on a proper setup? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 14:29 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Upload Media I also only get a part of the filename (will have a look and fix it) However, delete works for me as expected (in Chrome, didn't test other browsers) Tom Op 22-4-2013 15:14, Julian Tenney schreef: Should have added And I can't delete it from the properties panel. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 22 April 2013 14:12 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Upload Media on my localhost, the URL I get when I upload media via properties isn't the full http://localhost url, it's just the end bit, 1-guest2-site/media/image.jpg in this case. What does it do on a proper setup? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 22 15:10:26 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:10:26 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Installer Message-ID: <517544D2.6050603@tor.nl> I simplified the installer somewhat: Commit? The rest is left untouched at the moment. The biggest issue I found that users had, was that several tests were done twice, and it was NOT always clear if you could continue or not. Now you can only continue if all requirements are met. 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The biggest issue I found that users had, was that several tests were done twice, and it was NOT always clear if you could continue or not. Now you can only continue if all requirements are met. > > Tom > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 22 15:28:22 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:28:22 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C93@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <517545C9.1080009@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C93@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51754906.1020300@tor.nl> Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 - Doesn't interfere with previous solution - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a > longstanding problem, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 15:15 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Maths > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:27, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > The first page has some new stuff in it from last night so you might need to update > > Some of the tests aren't essential - you can run XOT without emails / ldap etc > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:10, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> I simplified the installer somewhat: >> >> Commit? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The rest is left untouched at the moment. The biggest issue I found that users had, was that several tests were done twice, and it was NOT always clear if you could continue or not. Now you can only continue if all requirements are met. >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 15:30:40 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:30:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths In-Reply-To: <51754906.1020300@tor.nl> References: <517545C9.1080009@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C93@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51754906.1020300@tor.nl> Message-ID: Cool - how accessible is it? Why doesn't it work off line? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... > > - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) > - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 > - Doesn't interfere with previous solution > - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line > > Tom > > > > > Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >> I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 15:32:08 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:32:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installer In-Reply-To: <51754953.6010505@tor.nl> References: <517544D2.6050603@tor.nl> <51754953.6010505@tor.nl> Message-ID: <6367A6C2-8EB5-4628-8A4A-71631CAD87C8@pgogywebstuff.com> They are in index (at the top - look for a file exists database.php) - only 4 or 5 lines or so The other changes are post the tests Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:29, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I'll double check and make sure I don't loose your changes. > > And you can continue without LDAP and email. > > Tom > > > Op 22-4-2013 16:27, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> The first page has some new stuff in it from last night so you might need to update >> >> Some of the tests aren't essential - you can run XOT without emails / ldap etc >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:10, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> I simplified the installer somewhat: >>> >>> Commit? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The rest is left untouched at the moment. The biggest issue I found that users had, was that several tests were done twice, and it was NOT always clear if you could continue or not. Now you can only continue if all requirements are met. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 22 15:38:10 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:38:10 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Installer In-Reply-To: <6367A6C2-8EB5-4628-8A4A-71631CAD87C8@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <517544D2.6050603@tor.nl> <51754953.6010505@tor.nl> <6367A6C2-8EB5-4628-8A4A-71631CAD87C8@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <51754B52.70008@tor.nl> Ok. I didn't touch that. Op 22-4-2013 16:32, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > They are in index (at the top - look for a file exists database.php) - only 4 or 5 lines or so > > The other changes are post the tests > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:29, Tom Reijnders wrote: > >> I'll double check and make sure I don't loose your changes. >> >> And you can continue without LDAP and email. >> >> Tom >> >> >> Op 22-4-2013 16:27, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> The first page has some new stuff in it from last night so you might need to update >>> >>> Some of the tests aren't essential - you can run XOT without emails / ldap etc >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:10, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>>> I simplified the installer somewhat: >>>> >>>> Commit? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The rest is left untouched at the moment. The biggest issue I found that users had, was that several tests were done twice, and it was NOT always clear if you could continue or not. Now you can only continue if all requirements are met. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 22 15:36:41 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:36:41 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths In-Reply-To: References: <517545C9.1080009@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C93@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51754906.1020300@tor.nl> Message-ID: <51754AF9.4080902@tor.nl> Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Cool - how accessible is it? > > Why doesn't it work off line? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> >> Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... >> >> - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) >> - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 >> - Doesn't interfere with previous solution >> - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> >>> I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a >>> longstanding problem, >>> >>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >>> Reijnders >>> *Sent:* 22 April 2013 15:15 >>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Maths >>> >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3F70.37618CB0] But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Cool - how accessible is it? Why doesn't it work off line? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 - Doesn't interfere with previous solution - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths What do you think? -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, I'm sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3F71.D3718690] But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Cool - how accessible is it? Why doesn't it work off line? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 - Doesn't interfere with previous solution - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths What do you think? -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 22 April 2013 15:56 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths What would be considered more accessible: * this using fonts which do scale but don't have alt text or * an image with alt text="x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc" which can be read out? Just curious. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, I'm sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3F73.1E145140] But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Cool - how accessible is it? Why doesn't it work off line? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 - Doesn't interfere with previous solution - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths What do you think? -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:05 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Good example: make it work for the hard of sight, or make it work for the blind? The only real answer is to provide tools so the author can choose based on their audience I think. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 22 April 2013 15:56 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths What would be considered more accessible: * this using fonts which do scale but don't have alt text or * an image with alt text="x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc" which can be read out? Just curious. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, I'm sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. [cid:image001.png at 01CE3F74.CF1BB9A0] But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Cool - how accessible is it? Why doesn't it work off line? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 - Doesn't interfere with previous solution - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths What do you think? -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 22 April 2013 15:56 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths What would be considered more accessible: . this using fonts which do scale but don't have alt text or . an image with alt text="x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc" which can be read out? Just curious. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, I'm sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: Cool - how accessible is it? Why doesn't it work off line? Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders wrote: Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 - Doesn't interfere with previous solution - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line Tom Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths What do you think? -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 12564 bytes Desc: not available URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 17:18:28 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:18:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths In-Reply-To: <064601ce3f74$74f03aa0$5ed0afe0$@co.uk> References: <517545C9.1080009@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C93@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51754906.1020300@tor.nl> <51754AF9.4080902@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92CD6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <064601ce3f74$74f03aa0$5ed0afe0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Wasn't stonewalling - just pre-empting Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 17:14, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > My assessment would be that this provides wider accessibility e.g. for sighted users and general clarity and usability including ease of use for authors and for screenreader users it would be easy to include or link to the kind of description you would put as alt text if the Mathjax functionality doesn't provide the equivalent of that. > > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 22 April 2013 15:56 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths > > What would be considered more accessible: > > ? this using fonts which do scale but don?t have alt text or > ? an image with alt text=?x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc? which can be read out? > > Just curious. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths > > Well, I?m sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths > > Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. > > > > But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. > > It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). > > Tom > > Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Cool - how accessible is it? > > Why doesn't it work off line? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... > > - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) > - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 > - Doesn't interfere with previous solution > - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line > > Tom > > > Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 17:18:28 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:18:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths In-Reply-To: <064601ce3f74$74f03aa0$5ed0afe0$@co.uk> References: <517545C9.1080009@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92C93@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51754906.1020300@tor.nl> <51754AF9.4080902@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C4FC92CD6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <064601ce3f74$74f03aa0$5ed0afe0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Wasn't stonewalling - just pre-empting Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 17:14, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > My assessment would be that this provides wider accessibility e.g. for sighted users and general clarity and usability including ease of use for authors and for screenreader users it would be easy to include or link to the kind of description you would put as alt text if the Mathjax functionality doesn't provide the equivalent of that. > > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 22 April 2013 15:56 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths > > What would be considered more accessible: > > ? this using fonts which do scale but don?t have alt text or > ? an image with alt text=?x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc? which can be read out? > > Just curious. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths > > Well, I?m sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible? > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 22 April 2013 15:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths > > Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc. > > > > But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this. > > It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb). > > Tom > > Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Cool - how accessible is it? > > Why doesn't it work off line? > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail... > > - Based on MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org, as found by Pat) > - Only works in Javascript/HTML5 > - Doesn't interfere with previous solution > - Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line > > Tom > > > Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef: > I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 22 April 2013 15:15 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Maths > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Apr 22 18:29:16 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:29:16 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] .htaccess Message-ID: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 22 20:04:55 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:04:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Nothing I've done alters the rules I think Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > Hi > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? > > I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? > > Cheers > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 09:45:47 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:45:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C320@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If I export a deployment zip, html 5 flavour, I get a blank page when I run the index.htm. Am I missing something? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 22 April 2013 18:29 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] .htaccess Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 09:59:12 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:59:12 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C320@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C320@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C346@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If I export flash, it's OK, if I check both tick boxes it's OK, just the html5 export gives the blank page... From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 09:46 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess If I export a deployment zip, html 5 flavour, I get a blank page when I run the index.htm. Am I missing something? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 22 April 2013 18:29 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] .htaccess Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Julian Tenney schreef: >If I export flash, it's OK, if I check both tick boxes it's OK, just >the html5 export gives the blank page... > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 24 April 2013 09:46 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > >If I export a deployment zip, html 5 flavour, I get a blank page when I >run the index.htm. Am I missing something? > > > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >Mitchell >Sent: 22 April 2013 18:29 >To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >Subject: [Xerte-dev] .htaccess > >Hi >has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? > >I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've >upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the >installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing >some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or >updated the rules? > >Cheers >Ron > >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. >Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this >message or in any attachment. 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I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney schreef: >Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button >above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path >to the project displayed > >Here's the old one: >[cid:image001.png at 01CE40D5.B1870270] > >And here's the new one: > > >[cid:image002.png at 01CE40D5.B1870270] >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 >To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) >Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export > >Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? > >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. >Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this >message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the >author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the >University of Nottingham. > > > >This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >attachment > >may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer >system: > >you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >the > >University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK >legislation. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 24 10:59:31 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:59:31 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Default runtime for RSS projects In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C3F5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C3F5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll have a look.... Julian Tenney schreef: >At the moment if you create an RSS project, it tries to play in the >HTML5 runtime (and then fails). Can it default to flash for now? > >This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. >Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this >message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the >author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the >University of Nottingham. > > > >This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >attachment > >may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer >system: > >you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >the > >University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK >legislation. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Julian Tenney > schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here?s the old one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] And here?s the new one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? ________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 11:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Yes, it works in Chrome From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Can you try in chrome? And let me know? I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney > schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here?s the old one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] And here?s the new one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? ________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Julian Tenney schreef: >So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete media >cross button thing for deleting unused files. > >I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we?ve had I >think. > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 24 April 2013 11:05 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > >Yes, it works in Chrome > >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > >Can you try in chrome? And let me know? > >I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want >to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. >Julian Tenney >> >schreef: >Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button >above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path >to the project displayed > > >Here?s the old one: >[content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] > > >And here?s the new one: > > > > >[content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 >To: For Xerte technical developers >(xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) >Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export > > >Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? > >________________________________ > >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >-- >Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 11:26:27 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:26:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C405@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C40B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Cleaned the cache, yes, still no dice, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 11:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel I'll check in Firefox. Did you clean the cache? Don't know why it wouldn't work in Firefox. I mean, this is really simple trivial stuf. Julian Tenney > schreef: So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete media cross button thing for deleting unused files. I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we?ve had I think. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 11:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Yes, it works in Chrome From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Can you try in chrome? And let me know? I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney > schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here?s the old one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] And here?s the new one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? ________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now you?ve got the build stuff going on, we can keep fixing in the 2.0 branch for a little while anyway, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Can you try in chrome? And let me know? I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney > schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here?s the old one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] And here?s the new one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? ________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 24 Apr 2013, at 09:59, Julian Tenney wrote: > If I export flash, it?s OK, if I check both tick boxes it?s OK, just the html5 export gives the blank page? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 24 April 2013 09:46 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > If I export a deployment zip, html 5 flavour, I get a blank page when I run the index.htm. Am I missing something? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 22 April 2013 18:29 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] .htaccess > > Hi > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? > > I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? > > Cheers > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 24 Apr 2013, at 10:56, Julian Tenney > wrote: At the moment if you create an RSS project, it tries to play in the HTML5 runtime (and then fails). Can it default to flash for now? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Wed Apr 24 11:58:44 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:58:44 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Message overlaps In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C451@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C451@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Seems to have improved but not disappeared. From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:49:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Message overlaps Did this improve after I escalated it recently? Or are you guys still having difficulty following threads? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 24 12:34:01 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:34:01 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C43A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C43A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <261cd396-fd8b-479a-af37-fbe474a139c6@email.android.com> Ok :-) Julian Tenney schreef: >> I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really >want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. > >Let?s do it then. Instinctively, I feel much more confident in this >release than I did with 1.9, and the world didn?t come to an end when >we did that. So, 3.00 tomorrow afternoon, we can make the branch, and >you can build the first zip. Now you?ve got the build stuff going on, >we can keep fixing in the 2.0 branch for a little while anyway, > > > >From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >Reijnders >Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 >To: For Xerte technical developers >Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > >Can you try in chrome? And let me know? > >I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want >to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. >Julian Tenney >> >schreef: >Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button >above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path >to the project displayed > > >Here?s the old one: >[content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] > > >And here?s the new one: > > > > >[content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] >From: >xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >Tenney >Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 >To: For Xerte technical developers >(xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) >Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export > > >Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? > >________________________________ > >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >-- >Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Xerte-dev mailing list >Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think we should look to use common files when possible (but for the next release) because having different wizards is going to mess someone up at some point: if it uses the wizard, it should use it from a common place, but let?s leave it for now? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 14:17:38 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:17:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard In-Reply-To: <32AFC0D5-80B0-412B-8E9B-A24D55568F93@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C579@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <32AFC0D5-80B0-412B-8E9B-A24D55568F93@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C58E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I just made sure that they all use the same file, even though it?s copied in the various dirs. It would be better to have a common folder somewhere, but let?s not change anything drastic at this point, we can tidy that up later, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 14:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard Other way if looking at it - problem is playing content in flash. Get rid of that and site and RSS sit pretty in the xerte module Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 24 Apr 2013, at 14:03, Julian Tenney > wrote: We have a situation where each type of template has its own wizard file? I think we should look to use common files when possible (but for the next release) because having different wizards is going to mess someone up at some point: if it uses the wizard, it should use it from a common place, but let?s leave it for now? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 14:31:48 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:31:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] rloObject.htm Message-ID: Question for Tom? Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. Thanks Fay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 24 14:59:25 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:59:25 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have > received this message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any > views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From reijnders at tor.nl Wed Apr 24 15:01:06 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:01:06 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C579@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C579@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20130424160106.71377j7nstptx7ky@server.tor.nl> I tend to agree with you Julian. I put much effort to get to the same resuilt for play/preview/export etc. They all use the same files now, and in the past they used copies in various places. That was one of the major reason for lots of isues with export. Tom Citeren Julian Tenney : > We have a situation where each type of template has its own wizard > file? I think we should look to use common files when possible (but > for the next release) because having different wizards is going to > mess someone up at some point: if it uses the wizard, it should use > it from a common place, but let's leave it for now? > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have > received this message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any > views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 15:04:22 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:04:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard In-Reply-To: <20130424160106.71377j7nstptx7ky@server.tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C579@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <20130424160106.71377j7nstptx7ky@server.tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C5E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Put it on the list of things to look at after 2.0. I don't think it's too serious, but we definitely don't want more than one version of the wizard, or we'll go insane, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 15:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard I tend to agree with you Julian. I put much effort to get to the same resuilt for play/preview/export etc. They all use the same files now, and in the past they used copies in various places. That was one of the major reason for lots of isues with export. Tom Citeren Julian Tenney : > We have a situation where each type of template has its own wizard > file? I think we should look to use common files when possible (but > for the next release) because having different wizards is going to > mess someone up at some point: if it uses the wizard, it should use it > from a common place, but let's leave it for now? > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views > or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily > reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 15:04:45 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:04:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> Message-ID: Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views > or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily > reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment > > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 24 15:58:07 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:58:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> Message-ID: <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Apr 24 16:05:50 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:05:50 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> Message-ID: If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 24 16:14:44 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:14:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <018001ce40fe$74afeb40$5e0fc1c0$@co.uk> Ok Thanks Fay I'll give that a try later. Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Wed Apr 24 17:11:11 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:11:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C5E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C579@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <20130424160106.71377j7nstptx7ky@server.tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C5E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43668E5B-5A58-4238-9E2A-7A6863E58765@pgogywebstuff.com> A common library is fine, but the modules at present don't have scope for it. As discussed with the site plugin you can have a concept of parent plugins which would allow for one editor and so on. It isn't a big change if you want it. Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 24 Apr 2013, at 15:04, Julian Tenney wrote: > Put it on the list of things to look at after 2.0. I don't think it's too serious, but we definitely don't want more than one version of the wizard, or we'll go insane, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 24 April 2013 15:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard > > I tend to agree with you Julian. > > I put much effort to get to the same resuilt for play/preview/export etc. They all use the same files now, and in the past they used copies in various places. > > That was one of the major reason for lots of isues with export. > > Tom > > Citeren Julian Tenney : > >> We have a situation where each type of template has its own wizard >> file? I think we should look to use common files when possible (but >> for the next release) because having different wizards is going to >> mess someone up at some point: if it uses the wizard, it should use it >> from a common place, but let's leave it for now? >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and >> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >> information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views >> or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily >> reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment >> >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the >> >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 24 17:11:18 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:11:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Nothing I've done alters the rules I think Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? Cheers Ron _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 24 17:59:03 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:59:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> Hi Fay I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor > open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled > or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results > in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so > doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess > previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via > management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment > with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Nothing I've done alters the rules I think > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: > > Hi > > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? > > I have three different installations on the Techdis server that > I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work > on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so > I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried > this yet and/or updated the rules? > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found >> >> What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? >> >> e.g. >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 >> >> I think it's a similar problem for the export links. >> >> I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. >> >> HTH >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> Nothing I've done alters the rules I think >> >> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: >> >> Hi >> has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? >> >> I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 07:04:39 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:04:39 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C405@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C40B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> Hmmm... It's working for me here (Firefox, Chrome, IE) Any javascript errors? Tom Op 24-4-2013 12:26, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Cleaned the cache, yes, still no dice, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 11:17 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > I'll check in Firefox. Did you clean the cache? Don't know why it > wouldn't work in Firefox. I mean, this is really simple trivial stuf. > > Julian Tenney > schreef: > > So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete media > cross button thing for deleting unused files. > > I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we've had I think. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 11:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > Yes, it works in Chrome > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 10:57 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > Can you try in chrome? And let me know? > > I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really > want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. > > Julian Tenney > schreef: > > Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button > above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path > to the project displayed > > Here's the old one: > > And here's the new one: > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 10:17 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ) > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] RSS Export > > Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 25 08:10:03 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:10:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C405@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C40B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> Message-ID: <021301ce4183$e9196580$bb4c3080$@co.uk> Working for me in those 3 browsers too e.g. publish issue and media & quota download and delete. Try the Techdis /xot install Julian to eliminate local issues. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 07:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Hmmm... It's working for me here (Firefox, Chrome, IE) Any javascript errors? Tom Op 24-4-2013 12:26, Julian Tenney schreef: Cleaned the cache, yes, still no dice, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 11:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel I'll check in Firefox. Did you clean the cache? Don't know why it wouldn't work in Firefox. I mean, this is really simple trivial stuf. Julian Tenney schreef: So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete media cross button thing for deleting unused files. I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we've had I think. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 11:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Yes, it works in Chrome From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Can you try in chrome? And let me know? I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here's the old one: And here's the new one: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? _____ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 25 08:17:36 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:17:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> Message-ID: <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> Hi again Fay forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay revision 831 seems to have fixed this. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 08:22:29 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:22:29 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> Message-ID: <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> These? modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi again Fay > forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? > e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Hi Fay > revision 831 seems to have fixed this. > Thanks > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Hi Fay > I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. > Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding > the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the > HTML version and override any global styles. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Hi Fay/all > been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so > far this week. Will be testing more later. > > Fay great that this is now a separate css. > Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media > folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather > than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash > version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload > via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the > site default. > > It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so > would be good to include as an option if possible? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Thanks > > There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 > folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the > look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep > them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for > projects to work correctly. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > > Yes, just that one :-) > > Citeren Fay Cross : > >> Question for Tom? >> >> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >> >> Thanks >> Fay >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and >> immediately delete it. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 25 08:32:06 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:32:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> Message-ID: <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> No. I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create derivatives with different colours with the original files. Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy to create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change the colours with the original files. Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm These? modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi again Fay > forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? > e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Hi Fay > revision 831 seems to have fixed this. > Thanks > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Hi Fay > I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. > Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash > (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be > picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Hi Fay/all > been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing > much so far this week. Will be testing more later. > > Fay great that this is now a separate css. > Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the > media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different > LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you > can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd > just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use > that instead of or to override the site default. > > It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more > verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? > > Cheers > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Thanks > > There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the > common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone > wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of > buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that > needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > > Yes, just that one :-) > > Citeren Fay Cross : > >> Question for Tom? >> >> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >> >> Thanks >> Fay >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and >> immediately delete it. 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 08:32:26 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:32:26 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> Message-ID: <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. Tom Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: > No. > I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably larger > and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create derivatives > with different colours with the original files. > Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy to > create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change the > colours with the original files. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > These? > > modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 > > Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Hi again Fay >> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Hi Fay >> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >> Thanks >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Hi Fay >> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Hi Fay/all >> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >> >> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different >> LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you >> can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd >> just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use >> that instead of or to override the site default. >> >> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >> >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Thanks >> >> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >> buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that >> needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> >> Yes, just that one :-) >> >> Citeren Fay Cross : >> >>> Question for Tom? >>> >>> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >>> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >>> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >>> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Fay >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >>> and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 08:36:07 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:36:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Can we start a 2.1 list somewhere? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 08:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. Tom Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: > No. > I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably > larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create > derivatives with different colours with the original files. > Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy to > create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change the > colours with the original files. > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > These? > > modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 > > Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Hi again Fay >> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Hi Fay >> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >> Thanks >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Hi Fay >> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Hi Fay/all >> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >> >> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different >> LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you >> can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd >> just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use >> that instead of or to override the site default. >> >> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >> >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Thanks >> >> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >> buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that >> needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> >> Yes, just that one :-) >> >> Citeren Fay Cross : >> >>> Question for Tom? >>> >>> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >>> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >>> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >>> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Fay >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 08:36:37 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:36:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: <021301ce4183$e9196580$bb4c3080$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C405@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C40B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> <021301ce4183$e9196580$bb4c3080$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C76B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, if you're telling me it works that's good enough for me! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 25 April 2013 08:10 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Working for me in those 3 browsers too e.g. publish issue and media & quota download and delete. Try the Techdis /xot install Julian to eliminate local issues. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 07:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Hmmm... It's working for me here (Firefox, Chrome, IE) Any javascript errors? Tom Op 24-4-2013 12:26, Julian Tenney schreef: Cleaned the cache, yes, still no dice, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 11:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel I'll check in Firefox. Did you clean the cache? Don't know why it wouldn't work in Firefox. I mean, this is really simple trivial stuf. Julian Tenney > schreef: So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete media cross button thing for deleting unused files. I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we've had I think. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 11:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Yes, it works in Chrome From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Can you try in chrome? And let me know? I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney > schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here's the old one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] And here's the new one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? ________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 08:46:52 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:46:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard In-Reply-To: <43668E5B-5A58-4238-9E2A-7A6863E58765@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C579@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <20130424160106.71377j7nstptx7ky@server.tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C5E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <43668E5B-5A58-4238-9E2A-7A6863E58765@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C775@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I reckon this will come up again at some point, and we can look at it again then... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 17:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard A common library is fine, but the modules at present don't have scope for it. As discussed with the site plugin you can have a concept of parent plugins which would allow for one editor and so on. It isn't a big change if you want it. Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 24 Apr 2013, at 15:04, Julian Tenney wrote: > Put it on the list of things to look at after 2.0. I don't think it's > too serious, but we definitely don't want more than one version of the > wizard, or we'll go insane, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 24 April 2013 15:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modular and the Wizard > > I tend to agree with you Julian. > > I put much effort to get to the same resuilt for play/preview/export etc. They all use the same files now, and in the past they used copies in various places. > > That was one of the major reason for lots of isues with export. > > Tom > > Citeren Julian Tenney : > >> We have a situation where each type of template has its own wizard >> file? I think we should look to use common files when possible (but >> for the next release) because having different wizards is going to >> mess someone up at some point: if it uses the wizard, it should use >> it from a common place, but let's leave it for now? >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and >> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >> information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any >> views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not >> necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment >> >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> >> you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 08:53:02 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:53:02 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> Yes please... Javascript wizard... :-)) Op 25-4-2013 9:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > Can we start a 2.1 list somewhere? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> No. >> I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably >> larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create >> derivatives with different colours with the original files. >> Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy to >> create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change the >> colours with the original files. >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> These? >> >> modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 >> >> Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi again Fay >>> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >>> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay >>> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >>> Thanks >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay >>> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >>> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >>> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >>> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay/all >>> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >>> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >>> >>> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >>> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >>> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different >>> LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you >>> can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd >>> just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use >>> that instead of or to override the site default. >>> >>> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >>> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >>> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >>> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >>> buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that >>> needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Reijnders >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> >>> Yes, just that one :-) >>> >>> Citeren Fay Cross : >>> >>>> Question for Tom? >>>> >>>> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >>>> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >>>> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >>>> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fay >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:18:00 2013 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:18:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> Message-ID: I'll ask Nuno for them. He's not around until next week though so they won't be in today's zip. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 25 April 2013 08:18 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi again Fay forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay revision 831 seems to have fixed this. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Hi Fay/all been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing much so far this week. Will be testing more later. Fay great that this is now a separate css. Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Thanks There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes, just that one :-) Citeren Fay Cross : > Question for Tom? > > Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to > edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 > version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several > places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. > > Thanks > Fay > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:50:35 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:50:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> That would be on my list too. I did spend an afternoon not so long ago looking for some half decent components: a tree view in particular, with data provider type support, but couldn't really find anything I thought was up to the job: there were a few I thought were close enough. I was going to make a wizard for the bootstrap template with it and maybe learn enough to redo the whole wizard. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 08:53 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes please... Javascript wizard... :-)) Op 25-4-2013 9:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > Can we start a 2.1 list somewhere? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> No. >> I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably >> larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create >> derivatives with different colours with the original files. >> Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy >> to create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change >> the colours with the original files. >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> These? >> >> modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 >> >> Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi again Fay >>> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >>> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay >>> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >>> Thanks >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay >>> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >>> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >>> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >>> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay/all >>> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >>> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >>> >>> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >>> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >>> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different >>> LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you >>> can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd >>> just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use >>> that instead of or to override the site default. >>> >>> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >>> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >>> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >>> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >>> buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that >>> needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Reijnders >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> >>> Yes, just that one :-) >>> >>> Citeren Fay Cross : >>> >>>> Question for Tom? >>>> >>>> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >>>> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >>>> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >>>> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fay >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:50:57 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:50:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Can the community site support this? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 08:53 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm Yes please... Javascript wizard... :-)) Op 25-4-2013 9:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > Can we start a 2.1 list somewhere? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> No. >> I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably >> larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create >> derivatives with different colours with the original files. >> Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy >> to create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change >> the colours with the original files. >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> These? >> >> modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 >> >> Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi again Fay >>> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >>> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay >>> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >>> Thanks >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay >>> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >>> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >>> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >>> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>> Mitchell >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Hi Fay/all >>> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >>> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >>> >>> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >>> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >>> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different >>> LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you >>> can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd >>> just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use >>> that instead of or to override the site default. >>> >>> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >>> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >>> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >>> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >>> buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that >>> needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Reijnders >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> >>> Yes, just that one :-) >>> >>> Citeren Fay Cross : >>> >>>> Question for Tom? >>>> >>>> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >>>> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >>>> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >>>> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Fay >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:21:08 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7B5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:09:35 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:09:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> <51782773.1000109@tor.nl> <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Nothing I've done alters the rules I think Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? Cheers Ron _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:22:21 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:22:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7B6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It's OK, for some reason it's taking an age to load the various libraries... From: Tenney Julian Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 08:51:32 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:51:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C405@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C40B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C782@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Ah, it only happens on bootstrap templates, not on the others. This is an .info file thing? I can't see anything obvious to change in there..? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 07:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Hmmm... It's working for me here (Firefox, Chrome, IE) Any javascript errors? Tom Op 24-4-2013 12:26, Julian Tenney schreef: Cleaned the cache, yes, still no dice, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 11:17 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel I'll check in Firefox. Did you clean the cache? Don't know why it wouldn't work in Firefox. I mean, this is really simple trivial stuf. Julian Tenney > schreef: So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete media cross button thing for deleting unused files. I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we've had I think. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 11:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Yes, it works in Chrome From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 24 April 2013 10:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel Can you try in chrome? And let me know? I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. Julian Tenney > schreef: Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there is no path to the project displayed Here's the old one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6061/RAW] And here's the new one: [content://com.fsck.k9.attachmentprovider/64f1dee3-6cbe-4cd3-a1f4-3c7743b45d4c/6062/RAW] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 April 2013 10:17 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] RSS Export Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? ________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 09:58:19 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:58:19 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5178F02B.6000408@tor.nl> You mean a 2.1 list? Yes, I think so.... New forum item? Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > Can the community site support this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:53 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Yes please... > > Javascript wizard... :-)) > > > > Op 25-4-2013 9:36, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Can we start a 2.1 list somewhere? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:32 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> No. >>> I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are probably >>> larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier to create >>> derivatives with different colours with the original files. >>> Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy >>> to create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just change >>> the colours with the original files. >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Reijnders >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> These? >>> >>> modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> Hi again Fay >>>> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >>>> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Hi Fay >>>> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >>>> Thanks >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Hi Fay >>>> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >>>> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>> Cross >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >>>> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >>>> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Hi Fay/all >>>> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >>>> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >>>> >>>> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >>>> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >>>> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for different >>>> LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A bit like you >>>> can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra option in the xwd >>>> just the ability to upload via media and quota and if it exists use >>>> that instead of or to override the site default. >>>> >>>> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >>>> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>> Cross >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >>>> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >>>> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >>>> buttons). It should help to keep them from changing the css that >>>> needs to stay pretty much the same for projects to work correctly. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>>> Reijnders >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 14:59 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, just that one :-) >>>> >>>> Citeren Fay Cross : >>>> >>>>> Question for Tom? >>>>> >>>>> Is modules/xerte/player_html5/rloObject.htm the only file I need to >>>>> edit if I want to add in a link to a new stylesheet for the HTML5 >>>>> version? Previously I think I would have had to do this in several >>>>> places - e.g. for play / preview / scorm etc. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Fay >>>>> >>>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 09:59:55 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:59:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm In-Reply-To: <5178F02B.6000408@tor.nl> References: <20130424155925.20522wx6jh25x54t@server.tor.nl> <016701ce40fc$224226e0$66c674a0$@co.uk> <01bb01ce410d$071a7dc0$154f7940$@co.uk> <021e01ce4184$3a715f00$af541d00$@co.uk> <021f01ce4184$f758bf00$e60a3d00$@co.uk> <5178D9B5.5070809@tor.nl> <022301ce4186$fd8ca880$f8a5f980$@co.uk> <5178DC0A.8090106@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C769@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178E0DE.1070508@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F02B.6000408@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C807@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Yes, OK. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 09:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm You mean a 2.1 list? Yes, I think so.... New forum item? Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > Can the community site support this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 08:53 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm > > Yes please... > > Javascript wizard... :-)) > > > > Op 25-4-2013 9:36, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Can we start a 2.1 list somewhere? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:32 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >> >> Ah. Yes, that would be nice indeed. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 25-4-2013 9:32, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> No. >>> I'm guessing they're created in a tool where the buttons are >>> probably larger and the colours/gradients are effects so much easier >>> to create derivatives with different colours with the original files. >>> Easy enough to recreate but I'm thinking it would be quick and easy >>> to create some theme packs to maintain the look and style just >>> change the colours with the original files. >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >>> Reijnders >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:22 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>> >>> These? >>> >>> modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\common_html5 >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 9:17, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> Hi again Fay >>>> forgot to ask are the original files for the buttons available anywhere? >>>> e.g. Fireworks/Photoshop/AI/other? >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 25 April 2013 08:12 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Hi Fay >>>> revision 831 seems to have fixed this. >>>> Thanks >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 17:59 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Hi Fay >>>> I've tried this and it doesn't seem to be having any affect. >>>> Do you have a stylesheet that you've used to test this? >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>> Cross >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 16:06 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> If you upload a stylesheet in the same way as you would for Flash >>>> (adding the stylesheet optional property) this should already be >>>> picked up by the HTML version and override any global styles. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:58 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Hi Fay/all >>>> been on the road most of the week so apologies for not contributing >>>> much so far this week. Will be testing more later. >>>> >>>> Fay great that this is now a separate css. >>>> Is there a way this could look for a file of the same name in the >>>> media folder so that someone could create a custom css for >>>> different LO's rather than having that customisation site wide? A >>>> bit like you can for the Flash version? Wouldn't need an extra >>>> option in the xwd just the ability to upload via media and quota >>>> and if it exists use that instead of or to override the site default. >>>> >>>> It's already cropped up as a mailing list question but lots more >>>> verbally so would be good to include as an option if possible? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>>> Cross >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 15:05 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: rloObject.htm >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> There's now a new stylesheet called themeStyles.css in the >>>> common_html5 folder that contains bits of css to change if anyone >>>> wants to customise the look of LO's (colours and appearance of >>>> buttons). 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 10:00:44 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:00:44 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> <51782773.1000109@tor.nl> <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5178F0BC.1020701@tor.nl> I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site > template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = > 'preview_site.php') blah which launches the site template in the > preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally > anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file > to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look > it's in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was > done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and > maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight of the > other side of the coin to know how? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @ > Pgogy > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow > for extra parameters now...... > > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the > editor open clicking play to preview works fine with > Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with > Apache/.htaccess enabled results in > http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other > and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess > previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched > off via management existing links would obviously break. But > at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and > Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Nothing I've done alters the rules I think > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > > > wrote: > > Hi > > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? > > I have three different installations on the Techdis server > that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export > doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas > it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules > need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 10:03:39 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:03:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <5178F0BC.1020701@tor.nl> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> <51782773.1000109@tor.nl> <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F0BC.1020701@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C818@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather just make it work, than be graceful... what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what you're talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = 'preview_site.php') blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it's in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Nothing I've done alters the rules I think Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? 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It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 10:09:21 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:09:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7B5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C803@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C828@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 10:13:37 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C828@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7B5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C803@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C828@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C838@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Will this do the same thing: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 10:15:35 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:15:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C838@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7B5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C803@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C828@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C838@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C83E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> No, it won't. But I could run that javascript in my jQuery code, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Will this do the same thing: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 10:19:02 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:19:02 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C782@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C396@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C405@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C40B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C421@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178C777.8030707@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C782@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5178F506.1020602@tor.nl> Ah... fixed :-) Op 25-4-2013 9:51, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Ah, it only happens on bootstrap templates, not on the others. This is > an .info file thing? I can't see anything obvious to change in there..? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 07:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > Hmmm... It's working for me here (Firefox, Chrome, IE) > > Any javascript errors? > > Tom > > Op 24-4-2013 12:26, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Cleaned the cache, yes, still no dice, > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 11:17 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > I'll check in Firefox. Did you clean the cache? Don't know why it > wouldn't work in Firefox. I mean, this is really simple trivial stuf. > > Julian Tenney > schreef: > > So does the download from media and quota, but not the delete > media cross button thing for deleting unused files. > > I have to say though, this is the least buggy release we've had I > think. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 11:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > Yes, it works in Chrome > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 10:57 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Publish Panel > > Can you try in chrome? And let me know? > > I don't have proper access to my development machine, bit I really > want to create 2.0 tomorrow as well. > > Julian Tenney > schreef: > > Somewhere along the way, the publish panel (from the publish > button above the workspace) has lost its publish button, and there > is no path to the project displayed > > Here's the old one: > > And here's the new one: > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Julian Tenney > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 10:17 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ) > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] RSS Export > > Does it make sense to turn off exporting for RSS projects? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > Verzonden van mijn Android telefoon met K-9 Mail. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather just > make it work, than be graceful... what I think it means is that for > bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be > preview_site.php and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what > you're talking about or not? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:01 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url > parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes > thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site > template that does something along the lines of (if > template.runtime = 'preview_site.php') blah which launches the > site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back > when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a > runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers > for content. If you want to look it's in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was > done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, > and maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight > of the other side of the coin to know how? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't > allow for extra parameters now...... > > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with > the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with > Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play > with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in > http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and > so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using > .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache > was switched off via management existing links would > obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I > don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Nothing I've done alters the rules I think > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > > wrote: > > Hi > > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest > version? > > I have three different installations on the Techdis > server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed > that export doesn't work on the installation using > .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing > some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried > this yet and/or updated the rules? > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:16 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... No, it won't. But I could run that javascript in my jQuery code, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Will this do the same thing: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Sure or add it to a window.onload event... You may have to tweak the code though as it is expecting to execute inline so is probably injecting html at the point of execution... if you take that out then you'll need to change some code to put it into a placeholder possibly... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:16 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... No, it won't. But I could run that javascript in my jQuery code, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Will this do the same thing: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:16 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... No, it won't. But I could run that javascript in my jQuery code, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Will this do the same thing: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Yeah, I can see what's going on, I'll tinker. Thanks for the defer thing I didn't know about that. I suppose I could put that function in a script and then once it has a src I can defer it. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Sure or add it to a window.onload event... You may have to tweak the code though as it is expecting to execute inline so is probably injecting html at the point of execution... if you take that out then you'll need to change some code to put it into a placeholder possibly... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:16 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... No, it won't. But I could run that javascript in my jQuery code, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Will this do the same thing: From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Simple as that? The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Try adding defer into the offending scripts... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn't load. I'll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn't working at the moment. Dargh. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... Argh. Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. What changed? Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We could even make > the 2.0 branch now, and Tom can build the first zip..? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 11:36:44 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:36:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits In-Reply-To: <517906A2.2050705@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C8FE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517906A2.2050705@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C908@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 11:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits I have a LONG teleconference call scheduled at three. But (after branching) it will only cost me about 15 minutes to have the first 2.0 zip. I can even increase the frequency of zip creation for a short while if that's usefull... Tom Op 25-4-2013 12:30, Julian Tenney schreef: Has anyone got anything else to check in, o9r any other open issues stil being worked on? All my stuff is checked in now, I know Fay as one or two more things to finish off, is there anything else? It would be good to play around with the final version for an hour or two and just make sure we don't find anything else. We could even make the 2.0 branch now, and Tom can build the first zip..? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 25 12:10:04 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:10:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C870@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C7B5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C803@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C828@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C838@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C83E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C858@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C870@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <354D8415-2D61-4635-9EC8-0FC79772FA94@pgogywebstuff.com> What order do the scripts load and run - make sure all of the bootstrap stuff is done before loading the add this stuff Also consider document.ready over window.onload On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > That seems to work. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Yeah, I can see what?s going on, I?ll tinker. Thanks for the defer thing I didn?t know about that. I suppose I could put that function in a script and then once it has a src I can defer it. > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Sure or add it to a window.onload event? > > You may have to tweak the code though as it is expecting to execute inline so is probably injecting html at the point of execution? if you take that out then you?ll need to change some code to put it into a placeholder possibly? > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:16 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > No, it won?t. But I could run that javascript in my jQuery code, > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:14 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Will this do the same thing: > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:09 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Simple as that? > > The add this one is a script tag, the facebook one is a bit more obfuscated > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Try adding defer into the offending scripts? > > > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:59 AM > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Typical. Of all days, today is the day the UoN network appears to have ground to a halt. > > It raises a question though: the bootstrap template has the social sharing buttons from addThis at the bottom: when the page loads it needs to load scripts from addthis.com and facebook.com, and if they fail, the page doesn?t load. I?ll see if I can find a different approach to loading the scripts, but the internet isn?t working at the moment. Dargh. > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 25 April 2013 09:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bootstrap Template not playing.... > > Argh. > > Something has changed since yesterday. I just did a clean xampp install, and the bootstrap template no longer previews, or plays. > > What changed? > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 25 12:12:41 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:12:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C818@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> <51782773.1000109@tor.nl> <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F0BC.1020701@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C818@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <06568E93-872B-4CC5-BE20-26D62D8727DC@pgogywebstuff.com> I was going to look at this but am worried there are other commits about to come in and didn't want to introduce clashes? Is everybody whose working on the wizard committed? On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:03, Julian Tenney wrote: > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Nothing I've done alters the rules I think > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > > Hi > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? > > I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? > > Cheers > Ron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is everybody whose working on the wizard committed? On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:03, Julian Tenney > wrote: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Nothing I've done alters the rules I think Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? Cheers Ron _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 12:31:55 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:31:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Browse Dialog Issue when Uploading Media In-Reply-To: <0FFF0620-E483-47BA-B125-24E3820F066C@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C965@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0FFF0620-E483-47BA-B125-24E3820F066C@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C993@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, I changed it to set bunload to function(){} rather than null and it solves the browse dialog not showing problem, but unless you tell me more info I don?t know if that breaks the lockfile stuff (I can?t see why) From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 25 April 2013 12:14 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Browse Dialog Issue when Uploading Media That's lockfile stuff On 25 Apr 2013, at 12:10, Julian Tenney > wrote: A long standing issue, but some progress: but I don?t know why (this was Pat?s code originally): Problem: upload media, preview, upload another media aand the browse dialog doesn?t show. Solution: comment out the lines from function preview() that call the javascript function hideunload() which is this: function hideunload(){ window.onbeforeunload = null; } If you don?t call that function, it works OK. But it must be there for a reason: question is, what? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 13:08:37 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:08:37 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C908@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C8FE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517906A2.2050705@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C908@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51791CC5.9070700@tor.nl> Oh, it's three CET, we're one hour after of you guys. Op 25-4-2013 12:36, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 11:34 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits > > I have a LONG teleconference call scheduled at three. > > But (after branching) it will only cost me about 15 minutes to have > the first 2.0 zip. > > I can even increase the frequency of zip creation for a short while if > that's usefull... > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 12:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Has anyone got anything else to check in, o9r any other open > issues stil being worked on? All my stuff is checked in now, I > know Fay as one or two more things to finish off, is there > anything else? > > It would be good to play around with the final version for an hour > or two and just make sure we don't find anything else. We could > even make the 2.0 branch now, and Tom can build the first zip..? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Op 25-4-2013 12:36, Julian Tenney schreef: OK From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 11:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits I have a LONG teleconference call scheduled at three. But (after branching) it will only cost me about 15 minutes to have the first 2.0 zip. I can even increase the frequency of zip creation for a short while if that's usefull... Tom Op 25-4-2013 12:30, Julian Tenney schreef: Has anyone got anything else to check in, o9r any other open issues stil being worked on? All my stuff is checked in now, I know Fay as one or two more things to finish off, is there anything else? It would be good to play around with the final version for an hour or two and just make sure we don't find anything else. We could even make the 2.0 branch now, and Tom can build the first zip..? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 25 13:32:26 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:32:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Browse Dialog Issue when Uploading Media In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C993@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C965@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0FFF0620-E483-47BA-B125-24E3820F066C@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C993@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <33D6EFFE-DE8C-4190-AFB9-2D37254D24A8@pgogywebstuff.com> There is an event added in the upload stuff in the wizard to trap something happening - perhaps preview - but is in the wizard. Can't remember more than that On 25 Apr 2013, at 12:31, Julian Tenney wrote: > OK, I changed it to set bunload to function(){} rather than null and it solves the browse dialog not showing problem, but unless you tell me more info I don?t know if that breaks the lockfile stuff (I can?t see why) > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 25 April 2013 12:14 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Browse Dialog Issue when Uploading Media > > That's lockfile stuff > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 12:10, Julian Tenney wrote: > > A long standing issue, but some progress: but I don?t know why (this was Pat?s code originally): > > Problem: upload media, preview, upload another media aand the browse dialog doesn?t show. > > Solution: comment out the lines from function preview() that call the javascript function hideunload() which is this: > > function hideunload(){ > > window.onbeforeunload = null; > } > > > If you don?t call that function, it works OK. > > But it must be there for a reason: question is, what? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 25 12:15:24 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:15:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C8FE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C8FE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <63348E83-2A38-4E3B-AB37-10E685B35B8A@pgogywebstuff.com> I am about half an hours worth of work away from making site a child template of xerte - I started last night before this mornings email so can not bother if easier On 25 Apr 2013, at 11:30, Julian Tenney wrote: > Has anyone got anything else to check in, o9r any other open issues stil being worked on? All my stuff is checked in now, I know Fay as one or two more things to finish off, is there anything else? > > It would be good to play around with the final version for an hour or two and just make sure we don?t find anything else. We could even make the 2.0 branch now, and Tom can build the first zip..? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 13:41:05 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:41:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Community Website Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 13:41:31 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:41:31 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits In-Reply-To: <63348E83-2A38-4E3B-AB37-10E685B35B8A@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C8FE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <63348E83-2A38-4E3B-AB37-10E685B35B8A@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA09@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Leave it for now, at least as far as the zip is concerned. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 25 April 2013 12:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Final Commits I am about half an hours worth of work away from making site a child template of xerte - I started last night before this mornings email so can not bother if easier On 25 Apr 2013, at 11:30, Julian Tenney > wrote: Has anyone got anything else to check in, o9r any other open issues stil being worked on? All my stuff is checked in now, I know Fay as one or two more things to finish off, is there anything else? It would be good to play around with the final version for an hour or two and just make sure we don?t find anything else. We could even make the 2.0 branch now, and Tom can build the first zip..? _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 14:00:35 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:00:35 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <517928F3.7050200@tor.nl> I do not entirely agree. But as long as we have 1 location for the generated zips... it's fine with me at the moment. Op 25-4-2013 14:41, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public > consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and > wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the > downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you > navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is > inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font > sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource > panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ > page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all > just a bit of a mess if you ask me. > > I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can > do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it > doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. > > At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site > and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community > site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We > can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, > and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to > toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. > > So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we > always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without > letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from > www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte : they > just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community > site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 14:02:13 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:02:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <517928F3.7050200@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517928F3.7050200@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA35@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> We can do a lot better than this. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 14:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website I do not entirely agree. But as long as we have 1 location for the generated zips... it's fine with me at the moment. Op 25-4-2013 14:41, Julian Tenney schreef: I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From i.donkervoort at 12change.eu Thu Apr 25 14:02:32 2013 From: i.donkervoort at 12change.eu (Inge Donkervoort | 12Change) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:02:32 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51792968.7030606@12change.eu> Hi, I added the last stylesheets from Nuno because we had a problem with the bullets. That last style sheet is messing things up right now. I will put the old style back (from yesterday) and than most of the problems are solved ;) Nuno, we can look at the problem from the buttons later. We can call the button Resources in the topmenu 'Downloads' than it's clear for everyone that the download is there. I'm in a conference call right now but I try to sort this out later to day. Ok?? Bye, Inge 12Change Chopinlaan 27 5242 HM Rosmalen T 073-5226195 F 073-5226196 E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu I www.12change.eu T twitter L linkedIn On 25-04-2013 14:57, Alistair McNaught wrote: > > That's very odd -- I can't replicate those issues (except the > typography styles -- that's a consequence of things being written by > different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style > guide). > > The whole point -- to me -- about a community site is that it will > evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need > to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping > around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to > on the Resources page. > > I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be > launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit > of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site > for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of > the community feel? > > We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a > consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather > than later! > > Alistair > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:41 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Cc:* Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change > (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); > Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* Community Website > > I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public > consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and > wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the > downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you > navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is > inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font > sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource > panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ > page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all > just a bit of a mess if you ask me. > > I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can > do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it > doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. > > At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site > and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community > site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We > can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, > and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to > toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. > > So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we > always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without > letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from > www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte : they > just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community > site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. > > > > This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the > intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not > disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any > action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited > and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone > astray before deleting it. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 14:20:14 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:20:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I just don't think it reflects the quality of the rest of the work adequately to serve as a shop window. You can still launch it, and it can continue to evolve, and we can all start to use it, and drive traffic to it. I am keen to see this a success. My honest opinion is that at present it needs more work. I would like to re-skin toolkits and lose the old brown theme, and I think the community site can have a better look and feel than it does at the moment, and I think it would be nice if we made the two work together, but when Nuno applied these styles to the toolkits application, it looked bad: so I would rather spend the time and get the skinning right for toolkits, and then apply that to the community site, rather than the other way around. I understand there will be a range of styles of writing, but that's not the same as typography. The pages are highly inconsistent in the use of headings, formatting, etc, and that, to me is not consistent with the quality of web professionals we have in this group. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 14:29:30 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:29:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA5D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It looks way different in FF to Chrome: Chrome looks not too bad: [cid:image001.jpg at 01CE41C1.4C1C9C00] But FF is ugly [cid:image002.jpg at 01CE41C1.4C1C9C00] IE is better [cid:image003.jpg at 01CE41C1.4C1C9C00] From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a secure communications medium. 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Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22861 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 14:36:11 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:36:11 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA5D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA5D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5179314B.3020200@tor.nl> Op 25-4-2013 15:29, Julian Tenney schreef: > > It looks way different in FF to Chrome: > > Chrome looks not too bad: > > But FF is ugly > > IE is better > > *From:*Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:57 > *To:* Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Cc:* Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay > Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge > (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* RE: Community Website > > That's very odd -- I can't replicate those issues (except the > typography styles -- that's a consequence of things being written by > different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style > guide). > > The whole point -- to me -- about a community site is that it will > evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need > to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping > around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to > on the Resources page. > > I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be > launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit > of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site > for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of > the community feel? > > We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a > consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather > than later! > > Alistair > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:41 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ) > *Cc:* Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change > (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu ); 'Fay > Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk > ); Nuno Jorge > (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk ) > *Subject:* Community Website > > I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public > consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and > wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the > downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you > navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is > inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font > sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource > panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ > page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all > just a bit of a mess if you ask me. > > I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can > do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it > doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. > > At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site > and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community > site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We > can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, > and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to > toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. > > So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we > always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without > letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from > www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte : they > just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community > site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. > > This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the > intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not > disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any > action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited > and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone > astray before deleting it. 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The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a secure communications medium. 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If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll > need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting > any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources > I expected to on the Resources page. > > I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be > launched is a question for the community to decide and this little > bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the > site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does > the rest of the community feel? > > We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a > consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner > rather than later! > > Alistair > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:41 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ) > *Cc:* Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change > (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu ); > 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk > ); Nuno Jorge > (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk ) > *Subject:* Community Website > > I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for > public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all > inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I > couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the > way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump > about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line > breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any > resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases > and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and > there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you > ask me. > > I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we > can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and > it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. > > At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web > site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the > community site now we've got this tranche of development work out > of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well > at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the > same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very > well. > > So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we > always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, > without letting the user see the community site if they follow the > link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte > : they just get the downloaded > zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin > toolkits in the next batch of work. > > This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not > the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not > disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take > any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message > has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views > expressed in this email are those of the author and do not > necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. > Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge > that Internet e-mail is not a secure communications medium. We > advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when > e-mailing us. Although we have taken steps to ensure this e-mail > and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping > with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are > actually virus free. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 14:54 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Can you please try to clean the cache? it's not what I see here.... also for the english version: [cid:image001.png at 01CE41C4.E320DBE0] Op 25-4-2013 15:48, Julian Tenney schreef: Nope: [cid:image002.png at 01CE41C4.E320DBE0] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 14:36 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website [cid:image003.png at 01CE41C4.E320DBE0] Op 25-4-2013 15:29, Julian Tenney schreef: It looks way different in FF to Chrome: Chrome looks not too bad: [cid:image004.jpg at 01CE41C4.E320DBE0] But FF is ugly [cid:image005.jpg at 01CE41C4.E320DBE0] IE is better [cid:image006.jpg at 01CE41C4.E320DBE0] From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a secure communications medium. 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I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you might not see the changes just yet. Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the link be http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create account to download' stuff we talked about. I would prefer to direct people to both http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. Next week I can help with the community site - I'm out of the office tomorrow. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a secure communications medium. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 15:11:25 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:11:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK, the UoN xerte site now points to http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip for the download. Let me know if that's not correct... ...and please build a zip! From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 15:06 To: Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the typography consistent at least. I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new stuff. I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you might not see the changes just yet. Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the link be http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create account to download' stuff we talked about. I would prefer to direct people to both http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. Next week I can help with the community site - I'm out of the office tomorrow. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 15:24:55 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:24:55 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <51793CB7.50203@tor.nl> Done.... Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK, the UoN xerte site now points to > http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip > for the download. Let me know if that's not correct... > > ...and please build a zip! > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 15:06 > *To:* Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) > *Cc:* Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay > Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge > (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) > *Subject:* RE: Community Website > > I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community > site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the > typography consistent at least. > > I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out > https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any > further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new > stuff. > > I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and > made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced > the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you > might not see the changes just yet. > > Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site > to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the > link be > http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? > At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create > account to download' stuff we talked about. > > I would prefer to direct people to both > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in > information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the > community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now > (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if > you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to > write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. > > Next week I can help with the community site -- I'm out of the office > tomorrow. > > *From:*Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:57 > *To:* Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers > (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ) > *Cc:* Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu > ); 'Fay Cross' > (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk ); Nuno > Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk ) > *Subject:* RE: Community Website > > That's very odd -- I can't replicate those issues (except the > typography styles -- that's a consequence of things being written by > different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style > guide). > > The whole point -- to me -- about a community site is that it will > evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need > to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping > around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to > on the Resources page. > > I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be > launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit > of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site > for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of > the community feel? > > We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a > consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather > than later! > > Alistair > > *From:*Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 13:41 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ) > *Cc:* Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change > (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu ); 'Fay > Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk > ); Nuno Jorge > (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk ) > *Subject:* Community Website > > I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public > consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and > wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the > downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you > navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is > inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font > sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource > panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ > page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all > just a bit of a mess if you ask me. > > I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can > do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it > doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. > > At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site > and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community > site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We > can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, > and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to > toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. > > So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we > always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without > letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from > www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte : they > just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community > site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. > > This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the > intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not > disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any > action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited > and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone > astray before deleting it. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 15:29:57 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:29:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <51793CB7.50203@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51793CB7.50203@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAE5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Then it is done. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 15:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Done.... Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef: OK, the UoN xerte site now points to http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip for the download. Let me know if that's not correct... ...and please build a zip! From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 15:06 To: Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the typography consistent at least. I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new stuff. I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you might not see the changes just yet. Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the link be http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create account to download' stuff we talked about. I would prefer to direct people to both http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. Next week I can help with the community site - I'm out of the office tomorrow. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Please note that views expressed in this email are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Higher Education Academy. Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a secure communications medium. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 15:37:01 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:37:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAE5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51793CB7.50203@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAE5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Phew... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:30 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Then it is done. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 15:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Done.... Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef: OK, the UoN xerte site now points to http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip for the download. Let me know if that's not correct... ...and please build a zip! From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 15:06 To: Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the typography consistent at least. I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new stuff. I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you might not see the changes just yet. Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the link be http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create account to download' stuff we talked about. I would prefer to direct people to both http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. Next week I can help with the community site - I'm out of the office tomorrow. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:30 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Then it is done. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 15:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Done.... Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef: OK, the UoN xerte site now points to http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip for the download. Let me know if that's not correct... ...and please build a zip! From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 15:06 To: Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the typography consistent at least. I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new stuff. I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you might not see the changes just yet. Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the link be http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create account to download' stuff we talked about. I would prefer to direct people to both http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. Next week I can help with the community site - I'm out of the office tomorrow. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 16:01:04 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:01:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAE5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CA08@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <51793CB7.50203@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CAE5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CB1D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> [cid:image001.png at 01CE41CE.16BC2320] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 25 April 2013 15:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Then it is done. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 15:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website Done.... Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef: OK, the UoN xerte site now points to http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip for the download. Let me know if that's not correct... ...and please build a zip! From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 15:06 To: Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community site if you want. I'd like to go through it and try and get all the typography consistent at least. I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0 for any further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new stuff. I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It's still publishing so you might not see the changes just yet. Regarding the zip, I'm happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom's automated builds: should the link be http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the 'create account to download' stuff we talked about. I would prefer to direct people to both http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn't much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I've got about 90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don't want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I'll crack on with that. Next week I can help with the community site - I'm out of the office tomorrow. From: Alistair McNaught [mailto:Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:57 To: Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: RE: Community Website That's very odd - I can't replicate those issues (except the typography styles - that's a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide). The whole point - to me - about a community site is that it will evolve. If we're encouraging community wider contribution we'll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I'm not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I'm finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later! Alistair From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 25 April 2013 13:41 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Cc: Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (i.donkervoort at 12change.eu); 'Fay Cross' (Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk); Nuno Jorge (Nuno.Jorge at nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: Community Website I have to say, I'm not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn't aligned, I couldn't find the downloads, and I'm just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn't contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there's a ton other stuff: it's all just a bit of a mess if you ask me. I'm not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn't feel finished, and it doesn't inspire me with confidence in the tools. At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we've got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn't work very well. So here's my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom's zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work. This email is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept our apologies. Please do not disclose, copy, or distribute information in this email nor take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please inform us that this message has gone astray before deleting it. 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It?s a real privilege to be involved in this with you all, and to see the project go from strength to strength. I think we?re really on to something here - and it?s down to you lot. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk Thu Apr 25 16:41:07 2013 From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (Thomas Rochford) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:41:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: v2.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CB16@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <03c401ce41cb$4e039ff0$ea0adfd0$@jiscadvance.ac.uk> HI Julian, Well done to you and your amazing team! It's been absolutely enthralling to watch you all pulling together to achieve so much. Truly an example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts! I'm looking forward to joining the presentation tomorrow. I have downloaded the zip and will try to get MAXOS 200 (as it will be called because Windows doesn't like punctuation in the names of USB drives) up and running as soon as possible, hopefully by Monday, if not earlier. Once again, many thanks for your work. There are some very interesting developments taking place here in the Eastern Region with its widespread use for ESOL and Citizenship courses working in conjunction with Trade Unions and Local Authorities. I'm hoping to get a great Case Study done on this if it all comes to fruition. But without the work of the you and your Team this couldn't have happened. Please pass on my appreciation to all who aren't on this list. 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I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather just make it work, than be graceful. what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what you're talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = 'preview_site.php') blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it's in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Nothing I've done alters the rules I think Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: Hi has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the latest version? I have three different installations on the Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only just noticed that export doesn't work on the installation using .htaccess whereas it did previously so I'm guessing some of the export rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or updated the rules? 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Thu Apr 25 20:40:57 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:40:57 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <000901ce41e4$f9995e90$eccc1bb0$@co.uk> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> <51782773.1000109@tor.nl> <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F0BC.1020701@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C818@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F315.6050703@tor.nl> <000901ce41e4$f9995e90$eccc1bb0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <517986C9.3060507@tor.nl> Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ > */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview > although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather > than */preview.php > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but > that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular > expressions etc :-( > > Happy to test export additions? > > I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people > to use for reference. > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:11 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't > add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have > url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like > play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other > properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send > anything to the list for some 30 minutes. > > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather > just make it work, than be graceful... what I think it means is > that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load > will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it > affects what you're talking about or not? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:01 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the > url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test > changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the > absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the > site template that does something along the lines of (if > template.runtime = 'preview_site.php') blah which launches the > site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way > back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, > we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative > renderers for content. If you want to look it's in function > preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff > was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled > differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don't > have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't > allow for extra parameters now...... > > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance > with the editor open clicking play to preview works > fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking > Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in > http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other > and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using > .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if > Apache was switched off via management existing links > would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache > enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Nothing I've done alters the rules I think > > Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality > > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 18:29, "Ron Mitchell" > > wrote: > > Hi > > has anyone updated the .htaccess rules for the > latest version? > > I have three different installations on the > Techdis server that I've upgraded now and only > just noticed that export doesn't work on the > installation using .htaccess whereas it did > previously so I'm guessing some of the export > rules need amending. Anyone tried this yet and/or > updated the rules? > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Tom Reijnders > > TOR Informatica > > Chopinlaan 27 > > 5242HM Rosmalen > > Tel: 073 5226191 > > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 25 23:18:41 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <517986C9.3060507@tor.nl> References: <069d01ce3f7e$eae72890$c0b579b0$@co.uk> <01a801ce4106$5b6b2200$12416600$@co.uk> <51782773.1000109@tor.nl> <654AAA35-039F-43E7-81AE-5B0970520434@pgogywebstuff.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C79C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F0BC.1020701@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C818@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5178F315.6050703@tor.nl> <000901ce41e4$f9995e90$eccc1bb0$@co.uk> <517986C9.3060507@tor.nl> Message-ID: <437CF4AC-29C1-47C4-B9D1-EAD3FE96BF67@pgogywebstuff.com> I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. > > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Hi Tom >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php >> >> I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( >> >> Happy to test export additions? >> >> I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. >> >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. >> >> >> The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. >> >> >> Tom >> >> Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: >> OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >> Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: >> In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() >> >> I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> Looks like something is up in the engine as well? >> >> On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... >> Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found >> >> What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? >> >> e.g. >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 >> >> I think it's a similar problem for the export links. >> >> I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. >> >> HTH >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >> Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 >> To: For Xerte technical developers > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Thu Apr 25 23:50:37 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:50:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <437CF4AC-29C1-47C4-B9D1-EAD3FE96BF67@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <28496a8240cddca372be0b5ee20ec1d7ed141736@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if? rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only ?- no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php ? I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( ? Happy to test export additions? ? I think ideally we need a definitive setuphtaccess.conf for people to use for reference. ? Cheers Ron ? ? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [2] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [3]] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 25 April 2013 10:11 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_site.php and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [4] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [5]] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 25 April 2013 10:01 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if template.runtime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() ? I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [6] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [7]] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 24 April 2013 20:35 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other [9] and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found ? What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? ? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 ? I think it's a similar problem for the export links. ? I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. ? HTH Cheers Ron ? 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I've come across a few HTML5 bugs from the LO here http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play.php?engine=html5&template_id=20# that seem to be very mac-browser specific that I'm going to try to work around. Fay has an HTML bug list that she's shared with me but just wondering what you all think we should do going forward... 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Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 26 16:01:41 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:01:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013601ce428e$f6bffe90$e43ffbb0$@co.uk> Hi John I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 26 16:01:51 2013 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:01:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The wizard for XOT is built from the wizards used in desktop Xerte These are all in the runtime / pages / wizards / en-GB folder If you open up any of the xwd files you will get a feel for how the wizards work. The beauty of adding an optional attribute is that you don't have to bother with adding it to the newNodes declaration for that node. Optional attributes become optional by adding optional="true" to their entry in the xwd file. If I understand you correctly your attribute is an attribute of the learning object rather than the page. In which case you would need to add it to the basic.xwd file. Hope that is enough to solve your problem. Kind regards Johnathan On 26 April 2013 15:39, Smith, John wrote: > Hi, > > > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through > a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It > appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking > options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out > of work-in-progress. > > > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point > me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the > name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to > mind? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Smith > > Learning Technologist > > School of Health & Life Sciences > > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Fri Apr 26 16:19:34 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:19:34 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <28496a8240cddca372be0b5ee20ec1d7ed141736@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <28496a8240cddca372be0b5ee20ec1d7ed141736@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: Ok, The engine for HTML is html5 ? On 25 Apr 2013, at 23:50, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com wrote: > Hello, > > HTaccess debugging > > One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach > > So here are some new HTaccess rules > > These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if > > rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 > > In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) > > If apache is set the link becomes > > preview_idnumber > > if control is held down then then link is > > preview_idnumber_linkID > > if control is held down then the link is > > preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) > > if control and shift are both held down > > preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID > > Note enginename comes before linkID > > I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > I am now working in this area, let me see > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. > > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php > > > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( > > > > > Happy to test export additions? > > > > > I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. > > > > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. > > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() > > > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... > > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > > > e.g. > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 16:36:42 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:36:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Johnathan that sounds doable - will give it a go... Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard The wizard for XOT is built from the wizards used in desktop Xerte These are all in the runtime / pages / wizards / en-GB folder If you open up any of the xwd files you will get a feel for how the wizards work. The beauty of adding an optional attribute is that you don't have to bother with adding it to the newNodes declaration for that node. Optional attributes become optional by adding optional="true" to their entry in the xwd file. If I understand you correctly your attribute is an attribute of the learning object rather than the page. In which case you would need to add it to the basic.xwd file. Hope that is enough to solve your problem. Kind regards Johnathan On 26 April 2013 15:39, Smith, John > wrote: Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 16:48:04 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:48:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <013601ce428e$f6bffe90$e43ffbb0$@co.uk> References: <013601ce428e$f6bffe90$e43ffbb0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I'd like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That's why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations... Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head... Also, I don't think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn't affect the .htaccess at all. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Hi John I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 26 17:06:23 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:06:23 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: <013601ce428e$f6bffe90$e43ffbb0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <016201ce4298$00baafe0$02300fa0$@co.uk> Hi John ok thanks for the clarification. On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Thanks Ron, Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I'd like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That's why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations. Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head. Also, I don't think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn't affect the .htaccess at all. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Hi John I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 17:37:52 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:37:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi John ok thanks for the clarification. On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Thanks Ron, Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Hi John I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 26 18:08:46 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:08:46 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517AB49E.3070908@tor.nl> In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. You need to copy this file to xot (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow learners to resume an LO. Tom Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: > Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi John > ok thanks for the clarification. > On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Thanks Ron, > > Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. > > Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? > > Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? > > Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Hi John > I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" > However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? > I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? > > Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 18:18:03 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:18:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Tom Reijnders wrote: In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. You need to copy this file to xot (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow learners to resume an LO. Tom Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: > Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi John > ok thanks for the clarification. > On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Thanks Ron, > > Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. > > Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? > > Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? > > Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Hi John > I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" > However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? > I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? > > Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Apr 26 18:21:29 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:21:29 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> No, you edit the files like Johnathan said, but XOT wants those files combined in 1, that is what the batch file is doing. At the moment, by agreement the .xwds are in the xerte desktop repository. Probably we need to revisit that decision given the direction xot/xerte is heading. Tom Op 26-4-2013 19:18, Smith, John schreef: > Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build > a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. > > You need to copy this file to xot > (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) > > Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow > learners to resume an LO. > > Tom > > Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: >> Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> Hi John >> ok thanks for the clarification. >> On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> Thanks Ron, >> >> Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. >> >> Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? >> >> Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? >> >> Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> Hi John >> I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" >> However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? >> I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? >> >> Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> Importance: High >> >> Hi, >> >> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >> >> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >> >> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Fri Apr 26 18:53:57 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:53:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> References: , <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> Message-ID: Ah right got it now Tom, thanks for your help. Will get started. Have a great weekend. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 26 April 2013 18:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard No, you edit the files like Johnathan said, but XOT wants those files combined in 1, that is what the batch file is doing. At the moment, by agreement the .xwds are in the xerte desktop repository. Probably we need to revisit that decision given the direction xot/xerte is heading. Tom Op 26-4-2013 19:18, Smith, John schreef: > Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build > a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. > > You need to copy this file to xot > (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) > > Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow > learners to resume an LO. > > Tom > > Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: >> Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> Hi John >> ok thanks for the clarification. >> On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> Thanks Ron, >> >> Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. >> >> Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? >> >> Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? >> >> Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> Hi John >> I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" >> However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? >> I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? >> >> Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> Importance: High >> >> Hi, >> >> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >> >> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >> >> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 19:03:28 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:03:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Learning Object resume function Message-ID: Hi all, Have now committed some code which gives an optional "Enable resume" property for the LO that simply adds #resume=xxx (where xxx=page number) to the URL client side. I've only done this in the Javascript engine just now and just for Nottingham template to see if it's useful. #resume= takes priority over page=, pageID= or linkID= Ron - would be interested to know what kind of parameters/data you would need to store to allow deep resuming into Articulate (and potentially other models). Tom - do you see this fitting with what you wish to do with SCORM? I'm considering encoding the resume string to prevent tampering and we could also encode some model/scorm specific stuff in there I suppose. If someone can test and feed back then i'd appreciate it. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sat Apr 27 19:05:56 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:05:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92D0C2AE-D970-4ED4-A450-741386E1F8C6@pgogywebstuff.com> Htaccess? On 27 Apr 2013, at 19:03, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi all, > > Have now committed some code which gives an optional "Enable resume" property for the LO that simply adds #resume=xxx (where xxx=page number) to the URL client side. I've only done this in the Javascript engine just now and just for Nottingham template to see if it's useful. #resume= takes priority over page=, pageID= or linkID= > > Ron - would be interested to know what kind of parameters/data you would need to store to allow deep resuming into Articulate (and potentially other models). > > Tom - do you see this fitting with what you wish to do with SCORM? > > I'm considering encoding the resume string to prevent tampering and we could also encode some model/scorm specific stuff in there I suppose. > > If someone can test and feed back then i'd appreciate it. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 19:09:57 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:09:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> References: , <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I managed to get the template.xwd built and have checked in. I'm hoping I didn't overwrite any of your recent changes... Also, I copied the same file into both modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/ and modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/ Was I correct to change both? I haven't checked in my basic.xwd changes to the Xerte standalone svn though as I don't have commit rights on that repos. Can someone give me permissions or check in the change for me? It just needs this line added Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 26 April 2013 18:21 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard No, you edit the files like Johnathan said, but XOT wants those files combined in 1, that is what the batch file is doing. At the moment, by agreement the .xwds are in the xerte desktop repository. Probably we need to revisit that decision given the direction xot/xerte is heading. Tom Op 26-4-2013 19:18, Smith, John schreef: > Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > Tom Reijnders wrote: > > > In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build > a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. > > You need to copy this file to xot > (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) > > Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow > learners to resume an LO. > > Tom > > Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: >> Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> Hi John >> ok thanks for the clarification. >> On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! >> Cheers >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> Thanks Ron, >> >> Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. >> >> Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? >> >> Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? >> >> Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> Hi John >> I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" >> However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? >> I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? >> >> Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? >> Ron >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> Importance: High >> >> Hi, >> >> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >> >> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >> >> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 19:10:07 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:10:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function In-Reply-To: <92D0C2AE-D970-4ED4-A450-741386E1F8C6@pgogywebstuff.com> References: , <92D0C2AE-D970-4ED4-A450-741386E1F8C6@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: Nah it's all client side I think... #hashlinks aren't sent serverside, or are they? Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] Sent: 27 April 2013 19:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function Htaccess? On 27 Apr 2013, at 19:03, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi all, > > Have now committed some code which gives an optional "Enable resume" property for the LO that simply adds #resume=xxx (where xxx=page number) to the URL client side. I've only done this in the Javascript engine just now and just for Nottingham template to see if it's useful. #resume= takes priority over page=, pageID= or linkID= > > Ron - would be interested to know what kind of parameters/data you would need to store to allow deep resuming into Articulate (and potentially other models). > > Tom - do you see this fitting with what you wish to do with SCORM? > > I'm considering encoding the resume string to prevent tampering and we could also encode some model/scorm specific stuff in there I suppose. > > If someone can test and feed back then i'd appreciate it. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sat Apr 27 19:05:56 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:05:56 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92D0C2AE-D970-4ED4-A450-741386E1F8C6@pgogywebstuff.com> Htaccess? On 27 Apr 2013, at 19:03, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi all, > > Have now committed some code which gives an optional "Enable resume" property for the LO that simply adds #resume=xxx (where xxx=page number) to the URL client side. I've only done this in the Javascript engine just now and just for Nottingham template to see if it's useful. #resume= takes priority over page=, pageID= or linkID= > > Ron - would be interested to know what kind of parameters/data you would need to store to allow deep resuming into Articulate (and potentially other models). > > Tom - do you see this fitting with what you wish to do with SCORM? > > I'm considering encoding the resume string to prevent tampering and we could also encode some model/scorm specific stuff in there I suppose. > > If someone can test and feed back then i'd appreciate it. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From reijnders at tor.nl Sat Apr 27 19:18:57 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:18:57 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: , <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> Message-ID: <517C1691.2050506@tor.nl> Yes, both files is better. Send me the basic.xwd file, and I'll check it in for you. Tom Op 27-4-2013 20:09, Smith, John schreef: > Hi Tom, > > I managed to get the template.xwd built and have checked in. I'm hoping I didn't overwrite any of your recent changes... > > Also, I copied the same file into both modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/ and modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/ Was I correct to change both? > > I haven't checked in my basic.xwd changes to the Xerte standalone svn though as I don't have commit rights on that repos. Can someone give me permissions or check in the change for me? It just needs this line added > > > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 26 April 2013 18:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > No, you edit the files like Johnathan said, but XOT wants those files > combined in 1, that is what the batch file is doing. > > At the moment, by agreement the .xwds are in the xerte desktop > repository. Probably we need to revisit that decision given the > direction xot/xerte is heading. > > Tom > > Op 26-4-2013 19:18, Smith, John schreef: >> Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> >> In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build >> a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. >> >> You need to copy this file to xot >> (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) >> >> Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow >> learners to resume an LO. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: >>> Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> Ron Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi John >>> ok thanks for the clarification. >>> On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>> >>> Thanks Ron, >>> >>> Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. >>> >>> Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? >>> >>> Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? >>> >>> Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>> >>> Hi John >>> I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" >>> However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? >>> I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? >>> >>> Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >>> >>> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 19:22:24 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:22:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <517C1691.2050506@tor.nl> References: , <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> , <517C1691.2050506@tor.nl> Message-ID: Good idea.. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] Sent: 27 April 2013 19:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Yes, both files is better. Send me the basic.xwd file, and I'll check it in for you. Tom Op 27-4-2013 20:09, Smith, John schreef: > Hi Tom, > > I managed to get the template.xwd built and have checked in. I'm hoping I didn't overwrite any of your recent changes... > > Also, I copied the same file into both modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/ and modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/ Was I correct to change both? > > I haven't checked in my basic.xwd changes to the Xerte standalone svn though as I don't have commit rights on that repos. Can someone give me permissions or check in the change for me? It just needs this line added > > > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 26 April 2013 18:21 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > No, you edit the files like Johnathan said, but XOT wants those files > combined in 1, that is what the batch file is doing. > > At the moment, by agreement the .xwds are in the xerte desktop > repository. Probably we need to revisit that decision given the > direction xot/xerte is heading. > > Tom > > Op 26-4-2013 19:18, Smith, John schreef: >> Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >> >> In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build >> a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. >> >> You need to copy this file to xot >> (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) >> >> Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow >> learners to resume an LO. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: >>> Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> Ron Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi John >>> ok thanks for the clarification. >>> On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>> >>> Thanks Ron, >>> >>> Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. >>> >>> Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I?d like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That?s why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations? >>> >>> Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head? >>> >>> Also, I don?t think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn?t affect the .htaccess at all. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM >>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>> >>> Hi John >>> I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" >>> However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? >>> I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? >>> >>> Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >>> >>> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >>> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Name: basic.xwd Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3090 bytes Desc: basic.xwd URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Sat Apr 27 19:32:13 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:32:13 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: , <517AB799.4060609@tor.nl> , <517C1691.2050506@tor.nl> Message-ID: <517C19AD.4050706@tor.nl> Done... :-) Op 27-4-2013 20:22, Smith, John schreef: > Good idea.. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] > Sent: 27 April 2013 19:18 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Yes, both files is better. > > Send me the basic.xwd file, and I'll check it in for you. > > Tom > > Op 27-4-2013 20:09, Smith, John schreef: >> Hi Tom, >> >> I managed to get the template.xwd built and have checked in. I'm hoping I didn't overwrite any of your recent changes... >> >> Also, I copied the same file into both modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/ and modules/xerte/parent-templates/Nottingham/wizards/en-GB/ Was I correct to change both? >> >> I haven't checked in my basic.xwd changes to the Xerte standalone svn though as I don't have commit rights on that repos. Can someone give me permissions or check in the change for me? It just needs this line added >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith | Learning Technologist >> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University >> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl] >> Sent: 26 April 2013 18:21 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >> >> No, you edit the files like Johnathan said, but XOT wants those files >> combined in 1, that is what the batch file is doing. >> >> At the moment, by agreement the .xwds are in the xerte desktop >> repository. Probably we need to revisit that decision given the >> direction xot/xerte is heading. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 26-4-2013 19:18, Smith, John schreef: >>> Ah ok Tom so its not as easy as editing an xml file... Do you edit something before running the .bat or is that a wizard in itself that takes you through the process? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> >>> In runtime\pages you can find create_template_xwd.bat, which will build >>> a new runtime\pages\wizards\en-GB\template.xwd. >>> >>> You need to copy this file to xot >>> (modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\wizards\en-GB\data.xwd) >>> >>> Also, one of the things I was intending to do with tracking is allow >>> learners to resume an LO. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 26-4-2013 18:37, Smith, John schreef: >>>> Sounds good Ron. Will touch base with you when i get the code working and see what else we need to add to incorporate deeper deeplinking into a page model. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron Mitchell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi John >>>> ok thanks for the clarification. >>>> On a not unrelated note I'm working on a project where we're using a mixture of Xerte and Articulate Storyline and one of the things the project wants is for people to be able to return to where they were. Articulate output provides this option automatically and I wonder if an extension to what you're talking about here could eventually be similar automated functionality too. Sounds good! >>>> Cheers >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>> Sent: 26 April 2013 16:48 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>>> >>>> Thanks Ron, >>>> >>>> Hopefully what Johnathan sent me will allow me to do what I think I want. >>>> >>>> Yes this is for bookmarking as an end user, if you have a long LO then as you progress the url will change to include a hash #page_number after the url (like section linking within a webpage), without the url refreshing. So I'd like to be able to have to force it on in the wizard so as not to be there for any existing LOs. That's why it will need an slight change to the wizard and to xenith.js. It will mean users can bookmark and leave and then return to the bookmark at a later date which for Long LOs might be very useful. I know you could split them but perhaps not best in all situations... >>>> >>>> Will mock this up and see if it works in real life as I imagine it in my head... >>>> >>>> Also, I don't think the hashes are sent server side so shouldn't affect the .htaccess at all. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John Smith >>>> Learning Technologist >>>> School of Health & Life Sciences >>>> Glasgow Caledonian University >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >>>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:02 PM >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>>> >>>> Hi John >>>> I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" >>>> However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? >>>> I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? >>>> >>>> Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John >>>> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard >>>> Importance: High >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >>>> >>>> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >>>> >>>> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? 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URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Sat Apr 27 20:34:27 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:34:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function In-Reply-To: References: , <92D0C2AE-D970-4ED4-A450-741386E1F8C6@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <002601ce437e$3c4099d0$b4c1cd70$@co.uk> Hi John I really like this (great stuff!) especially as it's under author control. e.g. I can see that for LO's where linear navigation has been disabled you wouldn't want this enabled but for the majority it provides an easy way for both authors and users to share or bookmark direct links. Re .htaccess This is in place on the Techdis /xot install which doesn't use .htaccess but also in place on /xerte install which does use .htaccess and both seem to work fine. re Articulate What I meant about Articulate is that it automatically asks a user if they want to resume where they left off if as an author I left that option enabled which is the default. This functionality works whether viewing the articulate output via Flash or HTML 5 so I guess behind the scenes it must be cookie based and therefore specific to a PC. You can see how it works as follows: View http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_291#resume=5 In that embedded articulate file use the articulate next button to navigate to it's page 2 or 3 Close the browser and revisit http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_291#resume=5 you should see the articulate prompt So a possible extension of your code or something similar might be to enable this kind of resume without the need to have manually bookmarked? The reason this is seen as valuable for the Maths project I'm working on is that all the materials are going to be publically accessible but also if a user registers and logs in (probably Wordpress) can be tracked via scorm etc. So Tom's intention to allow resuming via Scorm is relevant but possibly wouldn't work for the publically available non-scorm versions. Tom? HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 27 April 2013 19:10 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function Nah it's all client side I think... #hashlinks aren't sent serverside, or are they? Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] Sent: 27 April 2013 19:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function Htaccess? On 27 Apr 2013, at 19:03, "Smith, John" wrote: > Hi all, > > Have now committed some code which gives an optional "Enable resume" > property for the LO that simply adds #resume=xxx (where xxx=page > number) to the URL client side. I've only done this in the Javascript > engine just now and just for Nottingham template to see if it's > useful. #resume= takes priority over page=, pageID= or linkID= > > Ron - would be interested to know what kind of parameters/data you would need to store to allow deep resuming into Articulate (and potentially other models). > > Tom - do you see this fitting with what you wish to do with SCORM? > > I'm considering encoding the resume string to prevent tampering and we could also encode some model/scorm specific stuff in there I suppose. > > If someone can test and feed back then i'd appreciate it. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | > Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,en.html _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Sat Apr 27 20:56:07 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <28496a8240cddca372be0b5ee20ec1d7ed141736@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <437CF4AC-29C1-47C4-B9D1-EAD3FE96BF67@pgogywebstuff.com> <28496a8240cddca372be0b5ee20ec1d7ed141736@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 23:06:41 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function Message-ID: Thanks Ron I've had this idea for a while now but had it in my mind initially to allow bookmarking and the option was just called hashlink. But I loved the concept of being able to 'resume' and that the concept lends itself to encompass a whole lot of useful functionality. I do need to put some more time into it though, I've already noticed that the resume page number becomes out by one in the examples you sent, well on this Samsung tablet anyway. And yes I still have to take care of the Linear navigation option. I'll look into how Articulate stores it's data and see whether we can intercept it somehow. Really interested in the Scorm stuff too though, that would be fantastic, especially with Experience API just around the corner. Regards, John Sent from Samsung tablet Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi John I really like this (great stuff!) especially as it's under author control. e.g. I can see that for LO's where linear navigation has been disabled you wouldn't want this enabled but for the majority it provides an easy way for both authors and users to share or bookmark direct links. Re .htaccess This is in place on the Techdis /xot install which doesn't use .htaccess but also in place on /xerte install which does use .htaccess and both seem to work fine. re Articulate What I meant about Articulate is that it automatically asks a user if they want to resume where they left off if as an author I left that option enabled which is the default. This functionality works whether viewing the articulate output via Flash or HTML 5 so I guess behind the scenes it must be cookie based and therefore specific to a PC. You can see how it works as follows: View http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_291#resume=5 In that embedded articulate file use the articulate next button to navigate to it's page 2 or 3 Close the browser and revisit http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_291#resume=5 you should see the articulate prompt So a possible extension of your code or something similar might be to enable this kind of resume without the need to have manually bookmarked? The reason this is seen as valuable for the Maths project I'm working on is that all the materials are going to be publically accessible but also if a user registers and logs in Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sat Apr 27 23:06:41 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function Message-ID: Thanks Ron I've had this idea for a while now but had it in my mind initially to allow bookmarking and the option was just called hashlink. But I loved the concept of being able to 'resume' and that the concept lends itself to encompass a whole lot of useful functionality. I do need to put some more time into it though, I've already noticed that the resume page number becomes out by one in the examples you sent, well on this Samsung tablet anyway. And yes I still have to take care of the Linear navigation option. I'll look into how Articulate stores it's data and see whether we can intercept it somehow. Really interested in the Scorm stuff too though, that would be fantastic, especially with Experience API just around the corner. Regards, John Sent from Samsung tablet Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi John I really like this (great stuff!) especially as it's under author control. e.g. I can see that for LO's where linear navigation has been disabled you wouldn't want this enabled but for the majority it provides an easy way for both authors and users to share or bookmark direct links. Re .htaccess This is in place on the Techdis /xot install which doesn't use .htaccess but also in place on /xerte install which does use .htaccess and both seem to work fine. re Articulate What I meant about Articulate is that it automatically asks a user if they want to resume where they left off if as an author I left that option enabled which is the default. This functionality works whether viewing the articulate output via Flash or HTML 5 so I guess behind the scenes it must be cookie based and therefore specific to a PC. You can see how it works as follows: View http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_291#resume=5 In that embedded articulate file use the articulate next button to navigate to it's page 2 or 3 Close the browser and revisit http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_291#resume=5 you should see the articulate prompt So a possible extension of your code or something similar might be to enable this kind of resume without the need to have manually bookmarked? The reason this is seen as valuable for the Maths project I'm working on is that all the materials are going to be publically accessible but also if a user registers and logs in Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sat Apr 27 23:57:30 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (xerte at pgogywebstuff.com) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:57:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> Message-ID: <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.comMakers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To:"For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent:Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject:[Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. ? Any suggestions? ? Cheers Ron ? BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] ON BEHALF OF xerte at pgogywebstuff.com SENT: 25 April 2013 23:51 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? Hello, ? HTaccess debugging ? One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach ? So here are some new HTaccess rules ? These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if? ? rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on ? rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 ? In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) ? If apache is set the link becomes ? preview_idnumber ? if control is held down then then link is ? preview_idnumber_linkID ? if control is held down then the link is ? preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only ?- no numbers and no ascii) ? if control and shift are both held down ? preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID ? Note enginename comes before linkID ? I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it ? Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com [1] Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ? ----- Original Message ----- FROM: "For Xerte technical developers" ? TO: "For Xerte technical developers" CC: ? SENT: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php ? I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( ? Happy to test export additions? ? I think ideally we need a definitive setuphtaccess.conf for people to use for reference. ? Cheers Ron ? ? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [5] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [6]] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 25 April 2013 10:11 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [7] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [8]] ON BEHALF OF Tom Reijnders SENT: 25 April 2013 10:01 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_site.php?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() ? I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? ? FROM: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [9] [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [10]] ON BEHALF OF Pat @ Pgogy SENT: 24 April 2013 20:35 TO: For Xerte technical developers SUBJECT: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess ? Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other [12] and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found ? What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? ? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 ? I think it's a similar problem for the export links. ? I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. ? HTH Cheers Ron ? 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URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sun Apr 28 09:24:01 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:24:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk>, <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: Where do you get the current htaccess? Is it in the svn - can't seem to find it.. Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] Sent: 27 April 2013 23:57 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sun Apr 28 09:39:07 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: Setup/htaccess.conf But the asterisk is rewritten by the installer On 28 Apr 2013, at 09:24, "Smith, John" wrote: > Where do you get the current htaccess? Is it in the svn - can't seem to find it.. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] > Sent: 27 April 2013 23:57 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess > > If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > Hi Pat/Tom/all > is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? > We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. > > > Any suggestions? > > > Cheers > Ron > > > BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > Hello, > > > HTaccess debugging > > > One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach > > > So here are some new HTaccess rules > > > These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if > > > rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on > > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 > > > In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) > > > If apache is set the link becomes > > > preview_idnumber > > > if control is held down then then link is > > > preview_idnumber_linkID > > > if control is held down then the link is > > > preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) > > > if control and shift are both held down > > > preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID > > > Note enginename comes before linkID > > > I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > Cc: > > > Sent: > Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I am now working in this area, let me see > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php > > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( > > > Happy to test export additions? > > > I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. > > > Cheers > Ron > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. > > > Tom > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Sun Apr 28 10:03:48 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:03:48 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. Tom suggested the current line 12: rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: .htaccess Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3001 bytes Desc: not available URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Sun Apr 28 10:22:24 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:22:24 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> Message-ID: <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> Ron, Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. Tom Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited > over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including > export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at > this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and > preview work but export doesn't. > > Tom suggested the current line 12: > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 > > and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I > haven't been able to find a solution for export. > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 27 April 2013 23:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess > > If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Hi Pat/Tom/all > > is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine > changes Pat has listed are made? > > We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now > where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly > break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the > same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export > options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to > before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of > rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only > archive export worked for now that would be better than no export > working. > > Any suggestions? > > Cheers > > Ron > > BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept > as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making > any changes in CS4. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 23:51 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Hello, > > HTaccess debugging > > One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow > the HTaccess approach > > So here are some new HTaccess rules > > These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if > > rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ > preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 > > In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have > flash on this computer) > > If apache is set the link becomes > > preview_idnumber > > if control is held down then then link is > > preview_idnumber_linkID > > if control is held down then the link is > > preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no > numbers and no ascii) > > if control and shift are both held down > > preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID > > Note enginename comes before linkID > > I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put > the ifs into the wizard that should fix it > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I am now working in this area, let me see > > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the > &$2 at the end. > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ > */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play > preview although I obviously had to change it to > /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the > export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my > lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( > > Happy to test export additions? > > I think ideally we need a definitive > \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:11 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, > but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the > xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now > you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess > urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't > handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for > Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to > the list for some 30 minutes. > > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this > point I'd rather just make it work, than be > graceful... what I think it means is that for > bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to > load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? > I'm not sure if it affects what you're talking > about or not? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:01 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and > xerte) because the url parameters were different, > and I felt we hadn't time to test changes > thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed > the absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that > launches the site template that does something > along the lines of (if templateruntime = > 'preview_sitephp') blah which launches the > site template in the preview_site page. If you > remember, way back when, when we originally > anticipated different runtimes, we had a > runtime param in the xwd file to point to > alternative renderers for content. If you want > to look it's in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent > modularisation stuff was done, this might have > been made redundant, or handled differently, > and maybe this code should change? But I don't > have enough sight of the other side of the > coin to know how? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > > > wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, > because it doesn't allow for extra > parameters now...... > > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more and > for instance with the editor open > clicking play to preview works fine > with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not > but clicking Ctrl + Play with > Apache/.htaccess enabled results in > http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other > > and so doesn't work ends up with a > page not found > > What needs to change or be added to > the .htaccess? > > e.g. > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the > export links. > > I think this is an important issue for > those using .htaccess previously (e.g. > Nottingham) because if Apache was > switched off via management existing > links would obviously break. But at > the moment with Apache enabled I don't > think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Ron, Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. Tom Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. Tom suggested the current line 12: rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather just make it work, than be graceful. what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what you're talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = 'preview_sitephp') blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it's in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Ron, Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. Tom Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. Tom suggested the current line 12: rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather just make it work, than be graceful. what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what you're talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = 'preview_sitephp') blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it's in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14967 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: .htaccess.txt URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Sun Apr 28 10:53:43 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:53:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Message-ID: Cheers. Dunno how i missed that. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: Setup/htaccess.conf But the asterisk is rewritten by the installer On 28 Apr 2013, at 09:24, "Smith, John" wrote: > Where do you get the current htaccess? Is it in the svn - can't seem to find it.. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com [xerte at pgogywebstuff.com] > Sent: 27 April 2013 23:57 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess > > If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > Hi Pat/Tom/all > is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? > We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. > > > Any suggestions? > > > Cheers > Ron > > > BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > Hello, > > > HTaccess debugging > > > One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach > > > So here are some new HTaccess rules > > > These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if > > > rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on > > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 > > > In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) > > > If apache is set the link becomes > > > preview_idnumber > > > if control is held down then then link is > > > preview_idnumber_linkID > > > if control is held down then the link is > > > preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) > > > if control and shift are both held down > > > preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID > > > Note enginename comes before linkID > > > I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > Cc: > > > Sent: > Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I am now working in this area, let me see > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php > > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( > > > Happy to test export additions? > > > I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. > > > Cheers > Ron > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. > > > Tom > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From reijnders at tor.nl Sun Apr 28 11:38:07 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:38:07 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> Message-ID: <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) Tom Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed your > updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's > no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( > > I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export > works but not archive or 1.2? > > Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 28 April 2013 10:22 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Ron, > > Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? > > It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's > different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. > > Tom > > Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I > edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked > including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was > going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. > The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. > > Tom suggested the current line 12: > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 > > and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works > but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of > *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 27 April 2013 23:58 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the > htaccess > > If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > Hi Pat/Tom/all > > is there a solution to this for Export before any of the > engine changes Pat has listed are made? > > We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations > now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would > installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have > shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on > none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert > the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've > tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without > success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now > that would be better than no export working. > > Any suggestions? > > Cheers > > Ron > > BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be > kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary > of making any changes in CS4. > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf > Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 23:51 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Hello, > > HTaccess debugging > > One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't > follow the HTaccess approach > > So here are some new HTaccess rules > > These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if > > rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ > preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 > > rewriteRule > ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 > > In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't > have flash on this computer) > > If apache is set the link becomes > > preview_idnumber > > if control is held down then then link is > > preview_idnumber_linkID > > if control is held down then the link is > > preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - > no numbers and no ascii) > > if control and shift are both held down > > preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID > > Note enginename comes before linkID > > I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can > put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it > > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *To:* > > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* > > Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 > > *Subject:* > > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I am now working in this area, let me see > > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and > the &$2 at the end. > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Hi Tom > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ > */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + > Play preview although I obviously had to change it > to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the > export rules but that didn't work - probably due > to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( > > Happy to test export additions? > > I think ideally we need a definitive > \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:11 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and > play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, > like the xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that > now you can have url parameters added to the > .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and > the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. > I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I > couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 > minutes. > > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this > point I'd rather just make it work, than be > graceful... what I think it means is that for > bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries > to load will be preview_sitephp and > play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what > you're talking about or not? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders > *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:01 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site > and xerte) because the url parameters were > different, and I felt we hadn't time to test > changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I > only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code > that launches the site template that does > something along the lines of (if > templateruntime = 'preview_sitephp') blah > which launches the site template in the > preview_site page. If you remember, way > back when, when we originally anticipated > different runtimes, we had a runtime param > in the xwd file to point to alternative > renderers for content. If you want to look > it's in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent > modularisation stuff was done, this might > have been made redundant, or handled > differently, and maybe this code should > change? But I don't have enough sight of > the other side of the coin to know how? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine > as well? > > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders > > wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the > rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow > for extra parameters now...... > > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > > Just been testing this a bit more > and for instance with the editor > open clicking play to preview > works fine with Apache/.htaccess > enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + > Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled > results in > http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other > > and so doesn't work ends up with a > page not found > > What needs to change or be added > to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > > rewriteRule > ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ > /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for > the export links. > > I think this is an important issue > for those using .htaccess > previously (e.g. Nottingham) > because if Apache was switched off > via management existing links > would obviously break. But at the > moment with Apache enabled I don't > think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > > Cheers > > Ron > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] > *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy > *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: previous line 54 rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=fals e&$2 new rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$ 1&$2 previous 70 rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true &$2 new rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1 &$2 Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 28 April 2013 11:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) Tom Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Ron, Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. Tom Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. Tom suggested the current line 12: rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hi Pat/Tom/all is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. Any suggestions? Cheers Ron BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Hello, HTaccess debugging One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach So here are some new HTaccess rules These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) If apache is set the link becomes preview_idnumber if control is held down then then link is preview_idnumber_linkID if control is held down then the link is preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) if control and shift are both held down preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID Note enginename comes before linkID I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "For Xerte technical developers" > To: "For Xerte technical developers" Cc: Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I am now working in this area, let me see On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? I mean how does you normal preview look? I don't understand the /xerte/preview The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: Hi Tom rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( Happy to test export additions? I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. Tom Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I'd rather just make it work, than be graceful. what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I'm not sure if it affects what you're talking about or not? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. Tom Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = 'preview_sitephp') blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it's in function preview() I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don't have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess Looks like something is up in the engine as well? On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310 &engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? e.g. rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 I think it's a similar problem for the export links. I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. HTH Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 To: For Xerte technical developers _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: > Hi Tom > no need. :-) > The attached works for me! > > Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: > > previous line 54 > rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 > > new > rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 > > previous 70 > rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 > > new > rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 > > Cheers > Ron > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 28 April 2013 11:38 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) > > Tom > > Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( > > I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? > > > > Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 > > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Ron, > > Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? > > It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. > > Tom > > Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: > I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. > > Tom suggested the current line 12: > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 > and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. > > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess > > If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > Sent: > Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > > > Hi Pat/Tom/all > is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? > We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. > > > Any suggestions? > > > Cheers > Ron > > > BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com > Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > Hello, > > > HTaccess debugging > > > One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach > > > So here are some new HTaccess rules > > > These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if > > > rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on > > > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 > > > In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) > > > If apache is set the link becomes > > > preview_idnumber > > > if control is held down then then link is > > > preview_idnumber_linkID > > > if control is held down then the link is > > > preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) > > > if control and shift are both held down > > > preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID > > > Note enginename comes before linkID > > > I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it > > Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com > Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "For Xerte technical developers" > > > To: > "For Xerte technical developers" > Cc: > > > Sent: > Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 > Subject: > [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I am now working in this area, let me see > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? > > I mean how does you normal preview look? > > I don't understand the /xerte/preview > > The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. > > Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Hi Tom > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php > > > I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( > > > Happy to test export additions? > > > I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. > > > Cheers > Ron > > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > > No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. > > > The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. > > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: > OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. > > Tom > > Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: > In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() > > I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess > > Looks like something is up in the engine as well? > > On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: > > Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... > Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: > Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found > > What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? > > e.g. > rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 > > I think it's a similar problem for the export links. > > I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. > > HTH > Cheers > Ron > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > <.htaccess - Copy.txt> > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Sun Apr 28 14:15:54 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:15:54 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> <009b01ce440f$029265b0$07b73110$@co.uk> <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> Only if you replace the /xerte with * again. And, please note, it solves the play and preview differently than your suggestion. For play your suggestion accepts play_126_javascript, whereas my solution accepts play_126?engine=javascript. The latter because that's the way the wizard works now. play_126 will choose the engine based on the default engine chosen by the author. Tom P.S. I don't understand why your modifications work, when the original line doesn't, but I am glad it does.. :-) Op 28-4-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Is the htaccess.conf ok > > Also the play/preview rules? > > On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" > wrote: > >> Hi Tom >> >> no need. :-) >> >> The attached works for me! >> >> Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: >> >> previous line 54 >> >> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 >> >> new >> >> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 >> >> previous 70 >> >> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 >> >> new >> >> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom >> Reijnders >> *Sent:* 28 April 2013 11:38 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up >> on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) >> >> Tom >> >> Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Hi Tom >> >> my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed >> your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt >> but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( >> >> I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 >> export works but not archive or 1.2? >> >> >> >> Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 28 April 2013 10:22 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> Ron, >> >> Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? >> >> It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. >> It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post >> it again. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I >> edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked >> including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was >> going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time >> yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. >> >> Tom suggested the current line 12: >> >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ >> /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 >> >> and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that >> works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf >> Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >> *Sent:* 27 April 2013 23:58 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in >> the htaccess >> >> If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look >> >> >> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> > > >> >> *To:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> > > >> >> *Cc:* >> >> *Sent:* >> >> Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 >> >> *Subject:* >> >> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> >> >> Hi Pat/Tom/all >> >> is there a solution to this for Export before any of the >> engine changes Pat has listed are made? >> >> We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis >> installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off >> because it would installantly break all the links to LO's >> Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the >> moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. >> I don't really want to revert the install back to before >> Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of >> rules to get export to work without success so far. Even >> if only archive export worked for now that would be >> better than no export working. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to >> be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install >> and wary of making any changes in CS4. >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >> Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >> >> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 23:51 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> Hello, >> >> HTaccess debugging >> >> One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* >> doesn't follow the HTaccess approach >> >> So here are some new HTaccess rules >> >> These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if >> >> rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on >> >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ >> preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 >> >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ >> preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 >> >> rewriteRule >> ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ >> preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 >> >> In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I >> don't have flash on this computer) >> >> If apache is set the link becomes >> >> preview_idnumber >> >> if control is held down then then link is >> >> preview_idnumber_linkID >> >> if control is held down then the link is >> >> preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text >> only - no numbers and no ascii) >> >> if control and shift are both held down >> >> preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID >> >> Note enginename comes before linkID >> >> I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one >> can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it >> >> >> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >> >> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> > > >> >> *To:* >> >> "For Xerte technical developers" >> > > >> >> *Cc:* >> >> *Sent:* >> >> Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 >> >> *Subject:* >> >> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> I am now working in this area, let me see >> >> >> On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders >> > wrote: >> >> Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? >> >> I mean how does you normal preview look? >> >> I don't understand the /xerte/preview >> >> The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ >> and the &$2 at the end. >> >> Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: >> >> Hi Tom >> >> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ >> */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for >> Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had >> to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather >> than */preview.php >> >> I tried applying the same principal to one of >> the export rules but that didn't work - >> probably due to my lack of knowledge of >> regular expressions etc :-( >> >> Happy to test export additions? >> >> I think ideally we need a definitive >> \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for >> reference. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:11 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and >> play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the >> url, like the xerte play and preview do. >> >> >> The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is >> that now you can have url parameters added to >> the .htaccess urls, like >> play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't >> handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a >> fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't >> send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. >> >> >> Tom >> >> Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At >> this point I'd rather just make it work, >> than be graceful... what I think it means >> is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url >> the wizard tries to load will be >> preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I'm >> not sure if it affects what you're >> talking about or not? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:01 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> I didn't change it (combine preview of >> site and xerte) because the url >> parameters were different, and I felt we >> hadn't time to test changes thoroughly >> enough, so at the moment I only changed >> the absolute minimum. >> >> Tom >> >> Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: >> >> In the wizard (I think you mean) is >> code that launches the site template >> that does something along the lines >> of (if templateruntime = >> 'preview_sitephp') blah which >> launches the site template in the >> preview_site page. If you remember, >> way back when, when we originally >> anticipated different runtimes, we >> had a runtime param in the xwd file >> to point to alternative renderers for >> content. If you want to look it's in >> function preview() >> >> I would have thought that when the >> recent modularisation stuff was done, >> this might have been made redundant, >> or handled differently, and maybe >> this code should change? But I don't >> have enough sight of the other side >> of the coin to know how? >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >> *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 >> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >> >> Looks like something is up in the >> engine as well? >> >> >> On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom >> Reijnders > > wrote: >> >> Ah ok. olet me work on the >> rewriteRule, because it doesn't >> allow for extra parameters now...... >> >> Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell >> schreef: >> >> Just been testing this a bit >> more and for instance with >> the editor open clicking play >> to preview works fine with >> Apache/.htaccess enabled or >> not but clicking Ctrl + Play >> with Apache/.htaccess enabled >> results in >> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other >> >> and so doesn't work ends up >> with a page not found >> >> What needs to change or be >> added to the .htaccess? >> >> e.g. >> >> rewriteRule >> ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ >> /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 >> >> I think it's a similar >> problem for the export links. >> >> I think this is an important >> issue for those using >> .htaccess previously (e.g. >> Nottingham) because if Apache >> was switched off via >> management existing links >> would obviously break. But at >> the moment with Apache >> enabled I don't think export >> and Ctrl + Play works. >> >> HTH >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> ] >> *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >> *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 >> *To:* For Xerte technical >> developers >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tom Reijnders >> >> TOR Informatica >> >> Chopinlaan 27 >> >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> <.htaccess - Copy.txt> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Sun Apr 28 15:58:32 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:58:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> <009b01ce440f$029265b0$07b73110$@co.uk> <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> Message-ID: Hi Tom I just looked at the export links the install without htaccess was generating via Fiddler and changed the order accordingly e.g. What position template_id appears Cheers Ron Sent from my iPhone On 28 Apr 2013, at 14:15, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Only if you replace the /xerte with * again. > > And, please note, it solves the play and preview differently than your suggestion. > > For play your suggestion accepts play_126_javascript, whereas my solution accepts play_126?engine=javascript. The latter because that's the way the wizard works now. > > play_126 will choose the engine based on the default engine chosen by the author. > > Tom > > P.S. I don't understand why your modifications work, when the original line doesn't, but I am glad it does.. :-) > > > > > Op 28-4-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Is the htaccess.conf ok >> >> Also the play/preview rules? >> >> On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom >>> no need. :-) >>> The attached works for me! >>> >>> Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: >>> >>> previous line 54 >>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 >>> >>> new >>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 >>> >>> previous 70 >>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 >>> >>> new >>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 28 April 2013 11:38 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi Tom >>> my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( >>> >>> I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? >>> >>> >>> >>> Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? >>> >>> It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. >>> >>> Tom suggested the current line 12: >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 >>> and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>> Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess >>> >>> If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >>> To: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> Cc: >>> >>> Sent: >>> Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 >>> Subject: >>> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Pat/Tom/all >>> is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? >>> We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. >>> >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> HTaccess debugging >>> >>> >>> One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach >>> >>> >>> So here are some new HTaccess rules >>> >>> >>> These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if >>> >>> >>> rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on >>> >>> >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 >>> >>> >>> In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) >>> >>> >>> If apache is set the link becomes >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber >>> >>> >>> if control is held down then then link is >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber_linkID >>> >>> >>> if control is held down then the link is >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) >>> >>> >>> if control and shift are both held down >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID >>> >>> >>> Note enginename comes before linkID >>> >>> >>> I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >>> >>> To: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> Cc: >>> >>> >>> Sent: >>> Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 >>> Subject: >>> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> I am now working in this area, let me see >>> >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? >>> >>> I mean how does you normal preview look? >>> >>> I don't understand the /xerte/preview >>> >>> The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi Tom >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php >>> >>> >>> I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( >>> >>> >>> Happy to test export additions? >>> >>> >>> I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> >>> No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. >>> >>> >>> The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() >>> >>> I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> Looks like something is up in the engine as well? >>> >>> On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... >>> Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found >>> >>> What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? >>> >>> e.g. >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 >>> >>> I think it's a similar problem for the export links. >>> >>> I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. >>> >>> HTH >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> <.htaccess - Copy.txt> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Mon Apr 29 00:20:54 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:20:54 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: [Xerte] Re: mysql problem installing XOT2 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: The 2.0 install still seems a bit balky.See string below. From: robb at interlin.nl To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:56:57 +0200 Subject: [Xerte] Re: mysql problem installing XOT2 RE: [Xerte] Re: mysql problem installing XOT2 Dave, Thnx for pointing to this. Exactly what was the problem:database_host was ??I filled in localhost since mysql is on the same server. Database_username=??Filled in the DB user. password was filled in correctly. database_name was ??filled in the xot db name database_table_prefix was ??I filled inj the desired prefix It would be nice to knoe WHY those things were left blank and not taken from database.txt?? Anyway, all is running now! regards,robb -----Original message----- To: Xerte list ; From: Dave Burnett Sent: Mon 29-04-2013 00:34 Subject: [Xerte] Re: mysql problem installing XOT2 Attachment: inline.txt >From a Ron Mitchell post a while back: 1. Try the installation again but before you submit page3 to page 4, check database.php which should be created automatically in the root of your install but may not have all the correct values. If it doesn?t edit that so that it does and then submit page 3 to page 4. e.g. see if the correct database name is in database.php From: robb at interlin.nl To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:39:50 +0200 Subject: [Xerte] mysql problem installing XOT2 Last week I successfully installed XOT2 on a Zentyal 3.0 server (ubuntu 12.04 x64) This was more or less to get familiar with the installation process. Now I decided to add XOT2 on a server I manage for a primary school. This server is a Zentyal 2.2 server (ubuntu 10.04 x86) On the server mysql and php was already installed. I created a vhost to host xerte and deflated the zip there. I changed permissions for the necessary directories and files and started the installation proces. At page 2 the troubles already start. I get a bunch of errormessages. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613964/ finally at page 4 I get: Sorry, the system cannot connect to the database at present. The mysql error is No database selected When I look in phpmyadmin, I see the xot database and the tables are created. Any ideas? robb _______________________________________________ Xerte mailing list Xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte _______________________________________________ Xerte mailing list Xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 29 01:00:28 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:00:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> <009b01ce440f$029265b0$07b73110$@co.uk> <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> Message-ID: I'm not sure mixing a htaccess with a ? Makes sense, as mod rewrite removes that? I On 28 Apr 2013, at 14:15, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Only if you replace the /xerte with * again. > > And, please note, it solves the play and preview differently than your suggestion. > > For play your suggestion accepts play_126_javascript, whereas my solution accepts play_126?engine=javascript. The latter because that's the way the wizard works now. > > play_126 will choose the engine based on the default engine chosen by the author. > > Tom > > P.S. I don't understand why your modifications work, when the original line doesn't, but I am glad it does.. :-) > > > > > Op 28-4-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> Is the htaccess.conf ok >> >> Also the play/preview rules? >> >> On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom >>> no need. :-) >>> The attached works for me! >>> >>> Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: >>> >>> previous line 54 >>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 >>> >>> new >>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 >>> >>> previous 70 >>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 >>> >>> new >>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 28 April 2013 11:38 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi Tom >>> my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( >>> >>> I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? >>> >>> >>> >>> Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? >>> >>> It oncluded a version that should have a working export for you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so I'll post it again. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it worked including export until the engine= changes and I know Tom was going to look at this further but probably hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but export doesn't. >>> >>> Tom suggested the current line 12: >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 >>> and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>> Sent: 27 April 2013 23:58 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in the htaccess >>> >>> If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a look >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >>> To: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> Cc: >>> >>> Sent: >>> Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 >>> Subject: >>> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Pat/Tom/all >>> is there a solution to this for Export before any of the engine changes Pat has listed are made? >>> We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off because it would installantly break all the links to LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export options work. I don't really want to revert the install back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a few variations of rules to get export to work without success so far. Even if only archive export worked for now that would be better than no export working. >>> >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 install and wary of making any changes in CS4. >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 23:51 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> HTaccess debugging >>> >>> >>> One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* doesn't follow the HTaccess approach >>> >>> >>> So here are some new HTaccess rules >>> >>> >>> These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if >>> >>> >>> rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on >>> >>> >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 >>> >>> >>> In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I don't have flash on this computer) >>> >>> >>> If apache is set the link becomes >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber >>> >>> >>> if control is held down then then link is >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber_linkID >>> >>> >>> if control is held down then the link is >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text only - no numbers and no ascii) >>> >>> >>> if control and shift are both held down >>> >>> >>> preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID >>> >>> >>> Note enginename comes before linkID >>> >>> >>> I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it >>> >>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> >>> >>> To: >>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>> Cc: >>> >>> >>> Sent: >>> Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 >>> Subject: >>> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> I am now working in this area, let me see >>> >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? >>> >>> I mean how does you normal preview look? >>> >>> I don't understand the /xerte/preview >>> >>> The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ and the &$2 at the end. >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Hi Tom >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously had to change it to /xerte/preview.php rather than */preview.php >>> >>> >>> I tried applying the same principal to one of the export rules but that didn't work - probably due to my lack of knowledge of regular expressions etc :-( >>> >>> >>> Happy to test export additions? >>> >>> >>> I think ideally we need a definitive \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for reference. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 10:11 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> >>> No, the wizard tries to load preview.php and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. >>> >>> >>> The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview is that now you can have url parameters added to the .htaccess urls, like play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a fix for Ron to try by PM, because I couldn't send anything to the list for some 30 minutes. >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? At this point I?d rather just make it work, than be graceful? what I think it means is that for bootstrap tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to load will be preview_sitephp and play_site.php? I?m not sure if it affects what you?re talking about or not? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 10:01 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> I didn't change it (combine preview of site and xerte) because the url parameters were different, and I felt we hadn't time to test changes thoroughly enough, so at the moment I only changed the absolute minimum. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: >>> In the wizard (I think you mean) is code that launches the site template that does something along the lines of (if templateruntime = ?preview_sitephp?) blah which launches the site template in the preview_site page. If you remember, way back when, when we originally anticipated different runtimes, we had a runtime param in the xwd file to point to alternative renderers for content. If you want to look it?s in function preview() >>> >>> I would have thought that when the recent modularisation stuff was done, this might have been made redundant, or handled differently, and maybe this code should change? But I don?t have enough sight of the other side of the coin to know how? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:35 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>> >>> Looks like something is up in the engine as well? >>> >>> On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom Reijnders wrote: >>> >>> Ah ok. olet me work on the rewriteRule, because it doesn't allow for extra parameters now...... >>> Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>> Just been testing this a bit more and for instance with the editor open clicking play to preview works fine with Apache/.htaccess enabled or not but clicking Ctrl + Play with Apache/.htaccess enabled results in http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other and so doesn't work ends up with a page not found >>> >>> What needs to change or be added to the .htaccess? >>> >>> e.g. >>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 >>> >>> I think it's a similar problem for the export links. >>> >>> I think this is an important issue for those using .htaccess previously (e.g. Nottingham) because if Apache was switched off via management existing links would obviously break. But at the moment with Apache enabled I don't think export and Ctrl + Play works. >>> >>> HTH >>> Cheers >>> Ron >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy >>> Sent: 22 April 2013 20:05 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Reijnders >>> TOR Informatica >>> Chopinlaan 27 >>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>> <.htaccess - Copy.txt> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 29 07:07:16 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:07:16 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> <009b01ce440f$029265b0$07b73110$@co.uk> <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> Message-ID: <517E0E14.6030609@tor.nl> Not that I know of. Op 29-4-2013 2:00, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > I'm not sure mixing a htaccess with a ? Makes sense, as mod rewrite > removes that? > > I > > On 28 Apr 2013, at 14:15, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> Only if you replace the /xerte with * again. >> >> And, please note, it solves the play and preview differently than >> your suggestion. >> >> For play your suggestion accepts play_126_javascript, whereas my >> solution accepts play_126?engine=javascript. The latter because >> that's the way the wizard works now. >> >> play_126 will choose the engine based on the default engine chosen by >> the author. >> >> Tom >> >> P.S. I don't understand why your modifications work, when the >> original line doesn't, but I am glad it does.. :-) >> >> >> >> >> Op 28-4-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> Is the htaccess.conf ok >>> >>> Also the play/preview rules? >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tom >>>> >>>> no need. :-) >>>> >>>> The attached works for me! >>>> >>>> Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: >>>> >>>> previous line 54 >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 >>>> >>>> new >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 >>>> >>>> previous 70 >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 >>>> >>>> new >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Tom Reijnders >>>> *Sent:* 28 April 2013 11:38 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it >>>> up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> >>>> Hi Tom >>>> >>>> my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and >>>> missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it >>>> as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message >>>> properly! :-( >>>> >>>> I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 >>>> export works but not archive or 1.2? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Tom Reijnders >>>> *Sent:* 28 April 2013 10:22 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> Apparently you didn't receive my reply on April 25? >>>> >>>> It oncluded a version that should have a working export for >>>> you. It's different than the one you have attached here, so >>>> I'll post it again. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 28-4-2013 11:03, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how correct the attached is as it's something >>>> I edited over time while 1.9 was being developed. But it >>>> worked including export until the engine= changes and I >>>> know Tom was going to look at this further but probably >>>> hasn't had time yet. The normal play and preview work but >>>> export doesn't. >>>> >>>> Tom suggested the current line 12: >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>> /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 >>>> >>>> and that enables Ctrl + Play to toggle the engine and that >>>> works but I haven't been able to find a solution for export. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >>>> Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> *Sent:* 27 April 2013 23:58 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> I have no idea what the export links are now, or what is in >>>> the htaccess >>>> >>>> If you send the links and the export reg exps I will have a >>>> look >>>> >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> *From:* >>>> >>>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> *To:* >>>> >>>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> *Cc:* >>>> >>>> *Sent:* >>>> >>>> Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:56:07 +0100 >>>> >>>> *Subject:* >>>> >>>> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Pat/Tom/all >>>> >>>> is there a solution to this for Export before any of >>>> the engine changes Pat has listed are made? >>>> >>>> We've got a real problem on one of the Techdis >>>> installations now where I can't turn .htaccess use off >>>> because it would installantly break all the links to >>>> LO's Alistair and co have shared but at the same time >>>> at the moment with .htaccess on none of the export >>>> options work. I don't really want to revert the install >>>> back to before Tom's engine= changes but I've tried a >>>> few variations of rules to get export to work without >>>> success so far. Even if only archive export worked for >>>> now that would be better than no export working. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> BTW am I right in thinking the engine.fla still needs >>>> to be kept as Flash 8? I no longer have a Flash 8 >>>> install and wary of making any changes in CS4. >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On >>>> Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 23:51 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> HTaccess debugging >>>> >>>> One, the default engine link in the wizard *to me* >>>> doesn't follow the HTaccess approach >>>> >>>> So here are some new HTaccess rules >>>> >>>> These will work on a localhost/xertetoolkts install if >>>> >>>> rewriteBase /xertetoolkits is on >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ >>>> preview.php?template_id=$1&linkID=$2 >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)$ >>>> preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2 >>>> >>>> rewriteRule >>>> ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)_([A-Za-z]+)_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ >>>> preview.php?template_id=$1&engine=$2&linkID=$3 >>>> >>>> In the wizard the following toggle needs to apply (I >>>> don't have flash on this computer) >>>> >>>> If apache is set the link becomes >>>> >>>> preview_idnumber >>>> >>>> if control is held down then then link is >>>> >>>> preview_idnumber_linkID >>>> >>>> if control is held down then the link is >>>> >>>> preview_idnumber_enginename (enginename is always text >>>> only - no numbers and no ascii) >>>> >>>> if control and shift are both held down >>>> >>>> preview_idnumber_enginename_linkID >>>> >>>> Note enginename comes before linkID >>>> >>>> I don't have flash to fix this at home, but if some one >>>> can put the ifs into the wizard that should fix it >>>> >>>> >>>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com >>>> >>>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> *From:* >>>> >>>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> *To:* >>>> >>>> "For Xerte technical developers" >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> *Cc:* >>>> >>>> *Sent:* >>>> >>>> Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:18:41 +0100 >>>> >>>> *Subject:* >>>> >>>> [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> I am now working in this area, let me see >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 20:40, Tom Reijnders >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Ehmm, can I have your version of the .htacces? >>>> >>>> I mean how does you normal preview look? >>>> >>>> I don't understand the /xerte/preview >>>> >>>> The difference should be the ?(.*) before the $ >>>> and the &$2 at the end. >>>> >>>> Op 25-4-2013 20:44, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>> >>>> Hi Tom >>>> >>>> rewriteRule ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>> */preview.php?template_id=$1&$2 worked for >>>> Ctrl + Play preview although I obviously >>>> had to change it to /xerte/preview.php >>>> rather than */preview.php >>>> >>>> I tried applying the same principal to one >>>> of the export rules but that didn't work - >>>> probably due to my lack of knowledge of >>>> regular expressions etc :-( >>>> >>>> Happy to test export additions? >>>> >>>> I think ideally we need a definitive >>>> \setup\htaccess.conf for people to use for >>>> reference. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >>>> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:11 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> No, the wizard tries to load preview.php >>>> and play.php, but it doesn't add any sizes >>>> to the url, like the xerte play and preview do. >>>> >>>> >>>> The issue with .htaccess and xerte preview >>>> is that now you can have url parameters >>>> added to the .htaccess urls, like >>>> play_126?engine=other, and the rules don't >>>> handle the ?engine=other properly. I sent a >>>> fix for Ron to try by PM, because I >>>> couldn't send anything to the list for some >>>> 30 minutes. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 25-4-2013 11:03, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> >>>> OK. Does it impact the re-write rule? >>>> At this point I'd rather just make it >>>> work, than be graceful... what I think >>>> it means is that for bootstrap >>>> tempaltes, the url the wizard tries to >>>> load will be preview_sitephp and >>>> play_site.php? I'm not sure if it >>>> affects what you're talking about or not? >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders >>>> *Sent:* 25 April 2013 10:01 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> I didn't change it (combine preview of >>>> site and xerte) because the url >>>> parameters were different, and I felt >>>> we hadn't time to test changes >>>> thoroughly enough, so at the moment I >>>> only changed the absolute minimum. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> Op 25-4-2013 10:09, Julian Tenney schreef: >>>> >>>> In the wizard (I think you mean) is >>>> code that launches the site >>>> template that does something along >>>> the lines of (if templateruntime = >>>> 'preview_sitephp') blah which >>>> launches the site template in the >>>> preview_site page. If you remember, >>>> way back when, when we originally >>>> anticipated different runtimes, we >>>> had a runtime param in the xwd file >>>> to point to alternative renderers >>>> for content. If you want to look >>>> it's in function preview() >>>> >>>> I would have thought that when the >>>> recent modularisation stuff was >>>> done, this might have been made >>>> redundant, or handled differently, >>>> and maybe this code should change? >>>> But I don't have enough sight of >>>> the other side of the coin to know how? >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >>>> *Sent:* 24 April 2013 20:35 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>> >>>> Looks like something is up in the >>>> engine as well? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24 Apr 2013, at 19:41, Tom >>>> Reijnders >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah ok. olet me work on the >>>> rewriteRule, because it doesn't >>>> allow for extra parameters >>>> now...... >>>> >>>> Op 24-4-2013 18:11, Ron >>>> Mitchell schreef: >>>> >>>> Just been testing this a >>>> bit more and for instance >>>> with the editor open >>>> clicking play to preview >>>> works fine with >>>> Apache/.htaccess enabled or >>>> not but clicking Ctrl + >>>> Play with Apache/.htaccess >>>> enabled results in >>>> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/preview_310&engine=other >>>> >>>> and so doesn't work ends up >>>> with a page not found >>>> >>>> What needs to change or be >>>> added to the .htaccess? >>>> >>>> e.g. >>>> >>>> rewriteRule >>>> ^preview_([A-Za-z0-9]+)$ >>>> /xerte/preview.php?template_id=$1 >>>> >>>> I think it's a similar >>>> problem for the export links. >>>> >>>> I think this is an >>>> important issue for those >>>> using .htaccess previously >>>> (e.g. Nottingham) because >>>> if Apache was switched off >>>> via management existing >>>> links would obviously >>>> break. But at the moment >>>> with Apache enabled I don't >>>> think export and Ctrl + >>>> Play works. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> ] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Pat @ Pgogy >>>> *Sent:* 22 April 2013 20:05 >>>> *To:* For Xerte technical >>>> developers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottinghamac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Reijnders >>>> TOR Informatica >>>> Chopinlaan 27 >>>> 5242HM Rosmalen >>>> Tel: 073 5226191 >>>> Fax: 073 5226196 >>>> >>>> <.htaccess - Copy.txt> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Mon Apr 29 08:04:29 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:04:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <517E0E14.6030609@tor.nl> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> <009b01ce440f$029265b0$07b73110$@co.uk> <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> <517E0E14.6030609@tor.nl> Message-ID: <01A1CF46-A6EF-4ECB-8A5A-98F4BAED61E3@pgogywebstuff.com> Sorry, meant "removes the need for it" On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:07, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Not that I know of. > > Op 29-4-2013 2:00, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >> I'm not sure mixing a htaccess with a ? Makes sense, as mod rewrite removes that? >> >> I >> >> On 28 Apr 2013, at 14:15, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> >>> Only if you replace the /xerte with * again. >>> >>> And, please note, it solves the play and preview differently than your suggestion. >>> >>> For play your suggestion accepts play_126_javascript, whereas my solution accepts play_126?engine=javascript. The latter because that's the way the wizard works now. >>> >>> play_126 will choose the engine based on the default engine chosen by the author. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> P.S. I don't understand why your modifications work, when the original line doesn't, but I am glad it does.. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 28-4-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>> Is the htaccess.conf ok >>>> >>>> Also the play/preview rules? >>>> >>>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Tom >>>>> no need. :-) >>>>> The attached works for me! >>>>> >>>>> Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export rules: >>>>> >>>>> previous line 54 >>>>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 >>>>> >>>>> new >>>>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 >>>>> >>>>> previous 70 >>>>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 >>>>> >>>>> new >>>>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>>> Sent: 28 April 2013 11:38 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>>> >>>>> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>>> Hi Tom >>>>> my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message properly! :-( >>>>> >>>>> I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 export works but not archive or 1.2? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders >>>>> Sent: 28 April 2013 10:22 >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>>> >>>>> Ron, > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 29 08:50:53 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:50:53 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess In-Reply-To: <01A1CF46-A6EF-4ECB-8A5A-98F4BAED61E3@pgogywebstuff.com> References: <002701ce4381$42f1ad20$c8d50760$@co.uk> <91c102e5f21cd09f763576638fb458ca7052f1fc@webmail.hosting.heartinternet.co.uk> <005f01ce43ef$4ccf93c0$e66ebb40$@co.uk> <517CEA50.2030707@tor.nl> <007901ce43f4$3ed87f20$bc897d60$@co.uk> <517CFC0F.10607@tor.nl> <009b01ce440f$029265b0$07b73110$@co.uk> <5AF864D0-2BE6-48F3-8004-F846D365F927@pgogywebstuff.com> <517D210A.7040603@tor.nl> <517E0E14.6030609@tor.nl> <01A1CF46-A6EF-4ECB-8A5A-98F4BAED61E3@pgogywebstuff.com> Message-ID: <517E265D.5060002@tor.nl> I understand that, but it is sometime cubersome to maintain. You need to change the htaccess file itself, and the URLS generated by the code. So, that's why I 'warned' you that the attached file might not do what you want, but it is easier to maintain. Op 29-4-2013 9:04, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: > Sorry, meant "removes the need for it" > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:07, Tom Reijnders > wrote: > >> Not that I know of. >> >> Op 29-4-2013 2:00, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>> I'm not sure mixing a htaccess with a ? Makes sense, as mod rewrite >>> removes that? >>> >>> I >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 14:15, Tom Reijnders >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Only if you replace the /xerte with * again. >>>> >>>> And, please note, it solves the play and preview differently than >>>> your suggestion. >>>> >>>> For play your suggestion accepts play_126_javascript, whereas my >>>> solution accepts play_126?engine=javascript. The latter because >>>> that's the way the wizard works now. >>>> >>>> play_126 will choose the engine based on the default engine chosen >>>> by the author. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> P.S. I don't understand why your modifications work, when the >>>> original line doesn't, but I am glad it does.. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 28-4-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef: >>>>> Is the htaccess.conf ok >>>>> >>>>> Also the play/preview rules? >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 13:50, "Ron Mitchell" >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> no need. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> The attached works for me! >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically changed the order of things in a couple of the export >>>>>> rules: >>>>>> >>>>>> previous line 54 >>>>>> >>>>>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&template_id=$1&scorm=false&$2 >>>>>> >>>>>> new >>>>>> >>>>>> rewriteRule ^export_full_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?full=true&scorm=false&template_id=$1&$2 >>>>>> >>>>>> previous 70 >>>>>> >>>>>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?template_id=$1&data=rich&scorm=true&$2 >>>>>> >>>>>> new >>>>>> >>>>>> rewriteRule ^scorm_rich_([0-9]+)?(.*)$ >>>>>> /xerte/website_code/php/scorm/export.php?data=rich&scorm=true&template_id=$1&$2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of >>>>>> *Tom Reijnders >>>>>> *Sent:* 28 April 2013 11:38 >>>>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I'll have a look, at why those don't work. I'll try to set it >>>>>> up on one of my installations. Bit easier to test... ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 28-4-2013 11:39, Ron Mitchell schreef: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> my apologies. I just tracked back through my messages and >>>>>> missed your updated .htaccess partly because you'd renamed it >>>>>> as .txt but that's no excuse for not reading your message >>>>>> properly! :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> I've just put that in place and it seems deployment and 2004 >>>>>> export works but not archive or 1.2? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Being dragged out now so will be offline for an hour or two :-0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf >>>>>> Of *Tom Reijnders >>>>>> *Sent:* 28 April 2013 10:22 >>>>>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: .htaccess >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron, >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 26 April 2013 16:02 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Hi John I guess you know this already but to make a property optional you just add optional="true" However what I'm not sure about is whether there's an easy way to add a new optional property for every page which it sounds like you need? I'm curious though and maybe misunderstanding are you talking about bookmarking as an author or as a user? If as a user sounds like you need an addition to the engine rather than the wizard? Also wondering how this going to affect the other issue re .htaccess rules? Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 09:56:41 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:56:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: v2.0 In-Reply-To: <03c401ce41cb$4e039ff0$ea0adfd0$@jiscadvance.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111CB16@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <03c401ce41cb$4e039ff0$ea0adfd0$@jiscadvance.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572846@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Thanks for the kind words: what's so pleasing from my point of view is that a lot of the effort is coming from the community now, in fact ALL the php / web application work comes from elsewhere these days, and it's not insignificant. I'm so pleased we've got an answer to the 'sustainability' question. I'll pass on your comments, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford Sent: 25 April 2013 16:41 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: v2.0 HI Julian, Well done to you and your amazing team! It's been absolutely enthralling to watch you all pulling together to achieve so much. Truly an example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts! I'm looking forward to joining the presentation tomorrow. I have downloaded the zip and will try to get MAXOS 200 (as it will be called because Windows doesn't like punctuation in the names of USB drives) up and running as soon as possible, hopefully by Monday, if not earlier. Once again, many thanks for your work. There are some very interesting developments taking place here in the Eastern Region with its widespread use for ESOL and Citizenship courses working in conjunction with Trade Unions and Local Authorities. 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Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! Siobhan Ramsey On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney wrote: > Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the setup, > so drop the files on your web server, and go to /toolkitsFolder/setup. > If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the > xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip is > available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in the > wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, > > Thanks, > > Julian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 > To: Julian Tenney > Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > Hi Julian > > Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. > > I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit of advice. > > This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. > > I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I also > have the domain > > Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account to try it. > > > Thanks > > Siobhan Ramsey > > > On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk >> >> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the code today... >> >> J >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 >> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK >> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >> >> >> Hello Julian >> >> >> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. >> >> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. >> >> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using the twitter boostrap framework. >> >> Is this possible? >> >> >> Siobhan Ramsey >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 10:31:42 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bug lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728A5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Should we do something like trac or similar? What do others do elsewhere? Whilst it adds an overhead, it does mean we know what's going on with requests / bugs, and with more developers working on the code, it will eventually become a must have I think: we've managed OK for now, but sooner or later something is going to get forgotten, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 14:29 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bug lists Hi all, Was anything ever decided about what we should do in terms of the reporting and managing of bugs from the user community? Do we have a bug list on the Community site or should we? I've come across a few HTML5 bugs from the LO here http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play.php?engine=html5&template_id=20# that seem to be very mac-browser specific that I'm going to try to work around. Fay has an HTML bug list that she's shared with me but just wondering what you all think we should do going forward... 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 29 10:32:25 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:32:25 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157289E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <1A28ED45-2847-41CE-91CB-27ED49EB66CB@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C764@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572871@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0D1CFDEC-6ACB-4B9F-81DE-3ABE56A63783@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157289E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <517E3E29.40700@tor.nl> It's the big orange download button on the front page.... Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community site, and it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am hearing we need to do more work here, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 > To: Julian Tenney > Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > Hello Julian > > Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! > > Siobhan Ramsey > > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the setup, >> so drop the files on your web server, and go to /toolkitsFolder/setup. >> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the >> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip is >> available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in the >> wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, >> >> Thanks, >> >> Julian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 >> To: Julian Tenney >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >> >> Hi Julian >> >> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. >> >> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit of advice. >> >> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. >> >> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I also >> have the domain >> >> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account to try it. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Siobhan Ramsey >> >> >> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk >>> >>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the code today... >>> >>> J >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 >>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK >>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>> >>> >>> Hello Julian >>> >>> >>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. >>> >>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. >>> >>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using the twitter boostrap framework. >>> >>> Is this possible? >>> >>> >>> Siobhan Ramsey >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 10:34:44 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:34:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list In-Reply-To: <517E3E29.40700@tor.nl> References: <1A28ED45-2847-41CE-91CB-27ED49EB66CB@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C764@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572871@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0D1CFDEC-6ACB-4B9F-81DE-3ABE56A63783@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157289E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E3E29.40700@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728AE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> ...which takes you to the login page, and she is uncertain how to proceed - so it needs more work. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 29 April 2013 10:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list It's the big orange download button on the front page.... Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community site, and > it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am > hearing we need to do more work here, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 > To: Julian Tenney > Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > Hello Julian > > Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! > > Siobhan Ramsey > > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the setup, >> so drop the files on your web server, and go to /toolkitsFolder/setup. >> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the >> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip >> is available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in >> the wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, >> >> Thanks, >> >> Julian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 >> To: Julian Tenney >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >> >> Hi Julian >> >> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. >> >> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit of advice. >> >> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. >> >> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I >> also have the domain >> >> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account to try it. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Siobhan Ramsey >> >> >> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here >>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk >>> >>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the code today... >>> >>> J >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 >>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK >>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>> >>> >>> Hello Julian >>> >>> >>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. >>> >>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. >>> >>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using the twitter boostrap framework. >>> >>> Is this possible? >>> >>> >>> Siobhan Ramsey >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 10:43:03 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:43:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728C6@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. 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URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Apr 29 10:44:42 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:44:42 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728AE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <1A28ED45-2847-41CE-91CB-27ED49EB66CB@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C764@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572871@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0D1CFDEC-6ACB-4B9F-81DE-3ABE56A63783@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157289E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E3E29.40700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728AE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <517E410A.8080102@tor.nl> Than tell me that in stead of telling you can't find it.... Is this better? Op 29-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > ...which takes you to the login page, and she is uncertain how to proceed - so it needs more work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > It's the big orange download button on the front page.... > > Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community site, and >> it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am >> hearing we need to do more work here, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >> Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 >> To: Julian Tenney >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >> >> Hello Julian >> >> Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! >> >> Siobhan Ramsey >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the setup, >>> so drop the files on your web server, and go to /toolkitsFolder/setup. >>> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the >>> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip >>> is available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in >>> the wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 >>> To: Julian Tenney >>> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>> >>> Hi Julian >>> >>> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. >>> >>> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit of advice. >>> >>> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. >>> >>> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I >>> also have the domain >>> >>> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account to try it. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Siobhan Ramsey >>> >>> >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk >>>> >>>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the code today... >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 >>>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK >>>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Julian >>>> >>>> >>>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. >>>> >>>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. >>>> >>>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using the twitter boostrap framework. >>>> >>>> Is this possible? >>>> >>>> >>>> Siobhan Ramsey >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>>> >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 10:50:52 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:50:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list In-Reply-To: <517E410A.8080102@tor.nl> References: <1A28ED45-2847-41CE-91CB-27ED49EB66CB@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C764@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572871@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0D1CFDEC-6ACB-4B9F-81DE-3ABE56A63783@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157289E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E3E29.40700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728AE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E410A.8080102@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728DC@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> ;-) I'm not trying to pull your chain, but now I go to this page: now what do I click on? Nothing is clickable, and I've been looking at the page for a little while a bit lost before I read 'Please register or login to download files from this category'. Ah-ha. A clue. Some users are going to miss that and give up. We need to have some text somewhere that explains things a bit more clearly. [cid:image001.png at 01CE44C7.6B1F5800] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 29 April 2013 10:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list Than tell me that in stead of telling you can't find it.... Is this better? Op 29-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > ...which takes you to the login page, and she is uncertain how to proceed - so it needs more work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > It's the big orange download button on the front page.... > > Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community site, and >> it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am >> hearing we need to do more work here, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >> Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 >> To: Julian Tenney >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >> >> Hello Julian >> >> Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! >> >> Siobhan Ramsey >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney > wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the >>> setup, so drop the files on your web server, and go to /toolkitsFolder/setup. >>> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the >>> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip >>> is available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in >>> the wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 >>> To: Julian Tenney >>> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>> >>> Hi Julian >>> >>> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. >>> >>> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit of advice. >>> >>> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. >>> >>> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I >>> also have the domain >>> >>> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account to try it. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Siobhan Ramsey >>> >>> >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney > wrote: >>> >>>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk >>>> >>>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the code today... >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 >>>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK >>>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Julian >>>> >>>> >>>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. >>>> >>>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. >>>> >>>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using the twitter boostrap framework. >>>> >>>> Is this possible? >>>> >>>> >>>> Siobhan Ramsey >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>>> >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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I've made the message more obvious for the time being. Op 29-4-2013 11:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > > ;-) > > I'm not trying to pull your chain, but now I go to this page: now what > do I click on? Nothing is clickable, and I've been looking at the page > for a little while a bit lost before I read '*Please register or login > to download files from this category'. *Ah-ha. A clue. Some users are > going to miss that and give up. We need to have some text somewhere > that explains things a bit more clearly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:45 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > Than tell me that in stead of telling you can't find it.... > > Is this better? > > Op 29-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > ...which takes you to the login page, and she is uncertain how to > proceed - so it needs more work. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > > > Reijnders > > > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:32 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > > > > > It's the big orange download button on the front page.... > > > > > > Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > > >> Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community site, and > > >> it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am > > >> hearing we need to do more work here, > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > > >> Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 > > >> To: Julian Tenney > > >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > >> > > >> Hello Julian > > >> > > >> Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. Very > happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! > > >> > > >> Siobhan Ramsey > > >> > > >> > > >> On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the > > >>> setup, so drop the files on your web server, and go to > /toolkitsFolder/setup. > > >>> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the > > >>> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip > > >>> is available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in > > >>> the wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Julian > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > > >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 > > >>> To: Julian Tenney > > >>> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > >>> > > >>> Hi Julian > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy > to have a go on a web based as well as local install. > > >>> > > >>> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install > locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit > of advice. > > >>> > > >>> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am > very keen to learn more. Thanks again. > > >>> > > >>> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I > > >>> also have the domain > > >>> > > >>> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for > schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to > register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account > to try it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> > > >>> Siobhan Ramsey > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here > > >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk > > >>>> > > >>>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is > timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip > file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run > it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are > instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll > help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the > code today... > > >>>> > > >>>> J > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > > >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 > > >>>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK > > > >>>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello Julian > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk > schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. > > >>>> > > >>>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was > really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. > > >>>> > > >>>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are > HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using > the twitter boostrap framework. > > >>>> > > >>>> Is this possible? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Siobhan Ramsey > > >>>> > > >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have > received this message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views > or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily > reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > >>>> > > >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > > >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage > your computer system: > > >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Email communications > > >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by > UK legislation. > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have > received this message in error, please send it back to me, and > immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the > information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views > or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily > reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > >> > > >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > > >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage > your computer system: > > >> you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 113152 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 11:23:41 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:23:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list In-Reply-To: <517E4772.50609@tor.nl> References: <1A28ED45-2847-41CE-91CB-27ED49EB66CB@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5111C764@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572871@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <0D1CFDEC-6ACB-4B9F-81DE-3ABE56A63783@sandboxeducation.co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157289E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E3E29.40700@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728AE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E410A.8080102@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728DC@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <517E4772.50609@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C5157292B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Can we add a paragraph at the top of the page that says, if you're not logged in already: Welcome to the Xerte community downloads page. To download files from this page, you need to create an account. If you already have an account, please login. If you don't yet have an account, you can create one here. It's not really clear to me what the 'overview' and 'up' links at the top of the page currently do ( I suspect this is a feature of the jDownloads plugin?). Also, the UoN Xerte page links directly to the zip file, circumventing the need to login: I don't want to undermine what you're doing with the community site, so should I link to the community site downloads page? Could the 'pick your language' and 'login' panels be merged into one, with the title 'Welcome': then the login form, and the language flags along the bottom? I'm happy to spend some time on the community site this week, I'm not sure if I have permissions to do the things I want to do (primarily tidy up the typography and look and feel a bit, and try and make it a bit more consistent)? On the home page, the links in Main Menu and Key Features panels jump about as the mouse rolls over them: they don't do this in the 'New Features' panel: which is the desired behaviour? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 29 April 2013 11:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list If you have a suggestion of where, please let me know, and we'll do our best. I've made the message more obvious for the time being. [cid:image001.png at 01CE44CB.3BC7E910] Op 29-4-2013 11:50, Julian Tenney schreef: ;-) I'm not trying to pull your chain, but now I go to this page: now what do I click on? Nothing is clickable, and I've been looking at the page for a little while a bit lost before I read 'Please register or login to download files from this category'. Ah-ha. A clue. Some users are going to miss that and give up. We need to have some text somewhere that explains things a bit more clearly. [cid:image002.png at 01CE44CB.3BC7E910] -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 29 April 2013 10:45 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list Than tell me that in stead of telling you can't find it.... Is this better? Op 29-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > ...which takes you to the login page, and she is uncertain how to proceed - so it needs more work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > It's the big orange download button on the front page.... > > Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: >> Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community site, and >> it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am >> hearing we need to do more work here, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >> Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 >> To: Julian Tenney >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >> >> Hello Julian >> >> Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! >> >> Siobhan Ramsey >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney > wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the >>> setup, so drop the files on your web server, and go to /toolkitsFolder/setup. >>> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask on the >>> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the new zip >>> is available now, and it's useful for us to see how it performs in >>> the wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 >>> To: Julian Tenney >>> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>> >>> Hi Julian >>> >>> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. >>> >>> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a bit of advice. >>> >>> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. >>> >>> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I >>> also have the domain >>> >>> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me an account to try it. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Siobhan Ramsey >>> >>> >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney > wrote: >>> >>>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here http://www.xerte.org.uk >>>> >>>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish polishing the code today... >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 >>>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK >>>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Julian >>>> >>>> >>>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. >>>> >>>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks great. >>>> >>>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that are HTML 5 and responsive. So it was good to see your work on this using the twitter boostrap framework. >>>> >>>> Is this possible? >>>> >>>> >>>> Siobhan Ramsey >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>>> >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. 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And what we try to do is be able to monitor who and how many times the zips are downloaded, so yes it would make sense to link to this page: http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=510&view=viewcategory&catid=3 Or the actual jDownloads page, where the Overview and Up makes more sense. Now the download button brings you directly to one of the Categories pages. The actual downloads page is here: http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&view=viewcategories&Itemid=510 The Language selection panels and the login panels are seperate Joomla modules, so it is possible, but not easy to combine them. The rest you should ask Inge. But she's on vacation this week. Tom Op 29-4-2013 12:23, Julian Tenney schreef: > > Can we add a paragraph at the top of the page that says, if you're not > logged in already: > > Welcome to the Xerte community downloads page. To download files from > this page, you need to create an account. If you already have an > account, please _login_. If you don't yet have an account, you can > create one _here_. > > It's not really clear to me what the 'overview' and 'up' links at the > top of the page currently do ( I suspect this is a feature of the > jDownloads plugin?). Also, the UoN Xerte page links directly to the > zip file, circumventing the need to login: I don't want to undermine > what you're doing with the community site, so should I link to the > community site downloads page? > > Could the 'pick your language' and 'login' panels be merged into one, > with the title 'Welcome': then the login form, and the language flags > along the bottom? > > I'm happy to spend some time on the community site this week, I'm not > sure if I have permissions to do the things I want to do (primarily > tidy up the typography and look and feel a bit, and try and make it a > bit more consistent)? > > On the home page, the links in Main Menu and Key Features panels jump > about as the mouse rolls over them: they don't do this in the 'New > Features' panel: which is the desired behaviour? > > *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom > Reijnders > *Sent:* 29 April 2013 11:12 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > If you have a suggestion of where, please let me know, and we'll do > our best. > > I've made the message more obvious for the time being. > > > Op 29-4-2013 11:50, Julian Tenney schreef: > > ;-) > > I'm not trying to pull your chain, but now I go to this page: now > what do I click on? Nothing is clickable, and I've been looking at > the page for a little while a bit lost before I read '*Please > register or login to download files from this category'. *Ah-ha. A > clue. Some users are going to miss that and give up. We need to > have some text somewhere that explains things a bit more clearly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:45 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > Than tell me that in stead of telling you can't find it.... > > Is this better? > > Op 29-4-2013 11:34, Julian Tenney schreef: > > > ...which takes you to the login page, and she is uncertain how > to proceed - so it needs more work. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > > > Reijnders > > > Sent: 29 April 2013 10:32 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > > > > > It's the big orange download button on the front page.... > > > > > > Op 29-4-2013 11:30, Julian Tenney schreef: > > >> Here's a user who cannot find the download on the community > site, and > > >> it chimes with me as I couldn't find it last week either, so I am > > >> hearing we need to do more work here, > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > > >> Sent: 29 April 2013 10:28 > > >> To: Julian Tenney > > >> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > >> > > >> Hello Julian > > >> > > >> Thanks, I don't have an account so not sure how to get files. > Very happy to be a tester and give feedback on anything! > > >> > > >> Siobhan Ramsey > > >> > > >> > > >> On 29 Apr 2013, at 10:12, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Sounds like you're sufficiently tech-savvy to walk through the > > >>> setup, so drop the files on your web server, and go to > /toolkitsFolder/setup. > > >>> If you find any problems or have any difficulties please ask > on the > > >>> xerte mailing list where the other developers can help, the > new zip > > >>> is available now, and it's useful for us to see how it > performs in > > >>> the wild, so any feedback is very timely and definitely welcome, > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Julian > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > > >>> Sent: 25 April 2013 17:46 > > >>> To: Julian Tenney > > >>> Subject: Re: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > >>> > > >>> Hi Julian > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, for this. I also run a plesk web server so would be > happy to have a go on a web based as well as local install. > > >>> > > >>> I have hacked LAMP to add Wordpress and used a joomla install > locally so hopefully it will be ok if I have instructions and a > bit of advice. > > >>> > > >>> This looks like a really interesting work you are doing so I > am very keen to learn more. Thanks again. > > >>> > > >>> I can login to the test site yet as I up have a .co.uk domain. I > > >>> also have the domain > > >>> > > >>> Learncode.org as I am planning to create a site of resources > for schools and children at some point. So can I an email form > this to register a test user on the demo site or could you make me > an account to try it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> > > >>> Siobhan Ramsey > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 25 Apr 2013, at 08:32, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> It's made using Xerte Online Toolkits: you can find info here > > >>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte and here > http://www.xerte.org.uk > > >>>> > > >>>> Later today we are going to release version 2.0, so this is > timely, that template hasn't been made available before. The new > zip file will be available on the Xerte.org.uk site tomorrow. You > can run it on a local machine, using the xampp software, there are > instructions on the Xerte site. If you get stuck let me know and > I'll help you get it running, but best to wait til we finish > polishing the code today... > > >>>> > > >>>> J > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Siobhan Ramsey [mailto:info at sandboxeducation.co.uk] > > >>>> Sent: 24 April 2013 20:22 > > >>>> To: Julian.Tenney at NOTTINGHAM.AC.UK > > > >>>> Subject: Toolkit access- via alt talk list > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello Julian > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I am an education consultant and web developer working in uk > schools, third sector NGOs, the NHS and University sector. > > >>>> > > >>>> I would be interested to have access to the toolkit and was > really interested in the responsive template you made. It looks > great. > > >>>> > > >>>> I work with responsive design and only now work on sites that > are HTML 5 and responsive. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I?d like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 12:14:39 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:14:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515729E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Mon Apr 29 12:17:54 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Community site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?lang=en Do I have to wait for a confirmation email when I create an account? I filled in the Create Account form but on submit it takes me here: http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_users&view=login&lang=en The credentials don't work and it just reloads itself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Mon Apr 29 12:27:30 2013 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:27:30 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Community site In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: OK, scratch that.The confirm went to the Junk box. From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Community site http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?lang=en Do I have to wait for a confirmation email when I create an account? I filled in the Create Account form but on submit it takes me here: http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_users&view=login&lang=en The credentials don't work and it just reloads itself. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Mon Apr 29 21:46:44 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:46:44 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:18:37 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:18:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 30 09:32:32 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:32:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <012a01ce457d$434e3330$c9ea9990$@co.uk> Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:31:53 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:31:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: <65ql6o6u3vfenyll2l4jmm75.1367310713872@email.android.com> Yeah in the end that's what i did, added it to basic.xwd ran the .bat file yo build template.xwd, renamed to data.xwd and uploaded to svn. Tom then uploaded basic.xwd to the Xerte svn as i don't have write access to that so that it won't get removed if someone else does the same. Quite easy to do when you know how, perhaps we should have a wiki for this and other stuff? As for enabling by default, you might not want the user to be able to resume also i called resume as we might be able to make it resume in moodle without bookmarking for scorm or experience api purposes... It could work in flash too if we so wish in the same way that &page=xxx is fed in... But is it worth it? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:35:34 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:35:34 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <65ql6o6u3vfenyll2l4jmm75.1367310713872@email.android.com> References: <65ql6o6u3vfenyll2l4jmm75.1367310713872@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D28@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > It could work in flash too if we so wish in the same way that &page=xxx is fed in... But is it worth it? We need to let go, I think, people need to get used to the idea that the way forward is HTML5, and that's where the development is, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:32 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Yeah in the end that's what i did, added it to basic.xwd ran the .bat file yo build template.xwd, renamed to data.xwd and uploaded to svn. Tom then uploaded basic.xwd to the Xerte svn as i don't have write access to that so that it won't get removed if someone else does the same. Quite easy to do when you know how, perhaps we should have a wiki for this and other stuff? As for enabling by default, you might not want the user to be able to resume also i called resume as we might be able to make it resume in moodle without bookmarking for scorm or experience api purposes... It could work in flash too if we so wish in the same way that &page=xxx is fed in... But is it worth it? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:36:42 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:36:42 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <012a01ce457d$434e3330$c9ea9990$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D01@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <012a01ce457d$434e3330$c9ea9990$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D2C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Ah, right, makes sense, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 30 April 2013 09:33 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:37:22 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:37:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:39:30 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:39:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D33@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:46:34 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:46:34 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:38:22 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:38:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: I agree. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: > It could work in flash too if we so wish in the same way that &page=xxx is fed in... But is it worth it? We need to let go, I think, people need to get used to the idea that the way forward is HTML5, and that's where the development is, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:32 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Yeah in the end that's what i did, added it to basic.xwd ran the .bat file yo build template.xwd, renamed to data.xwd and uploaded to svn. Tom then uploaded basic.xwd to the Xerte svn as i don't have write access to that so that it won't get removed if someone else does the same. Quite easy to do when you know how, perhaps we should have a wiki for this and other stuff? As for enabling by default, you might not want the user to be able to resume also i called resume as we might be able to make it resume in moodle without bookmarking for scorm or experience api purposes... It could work in flash too if we so wish in the same way that &page=xxx is fed in... But is it worth it? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 09:51:50 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:51:50 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> References: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to pipe up, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en .html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e n.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 10:00:16 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:00:16 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: Obvious to us maybe. What about a Suggest a Feature button linking directly to a specific forum to drive them in? Are the forums getting much use or do they conflict a little with the dist list? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to pipe up, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 30 10:02:04 2013 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:02:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <65ql6o6u3vfenyll2l4jmm75.1367310713872@email.android.com> References: <65ql6o6u3vfenyll2l4jmm75.1367310713872@email.android.com> Message-ID: " Quite easy to do when you know how, perhaps we should have a wiki for this and other stuff? " There has been so much development over the last few months, it would be really useful if some documentation was available to support developers who want to create html5 pages. I am thinking here of stuff like - how the xwd files work - structure and available controls, plus the need for unique naming of objects (though this perhaps should wait until the wizards are moved to html5) - XOT specific features - the project wide objects that are available and their attributes and methods, - Any guidelines to laying out a page - Pointers on how to make the page accessible - Some guide regarding scope - defining for project wide scope, page wide scope, finer levels of scope. - Perhaps a sample structure for a generic page model. With flash the xerte editor provided some structure, now that everything is written as code the structure is less obvious. A standard layout that makes it easier for someone reading the model code to understand what is going on, by breaking the code into sections and into sections e.g. (this is off the top of my head and is only provided as a starting point - I am not well versed in html5 model design ) 1. Declare objects and methods 2. Initialise variables and capture external xml data 3. Set up page layout (page sections and css) 4. Process data to arrive at initial display 5. Event capture and response - Some models taken from those currently available going from the simple to the more complicated with clear annotation to provide worked examples to help the would be page developer. - Tips on how to debug your work. - Information on how to submit your new page template. If any of the above gives the impression that I am groping about in the fog a little here then the impression is probably correct :-) but I think you will understand what I am trying to convey. Kind regards Johnathan On 30 April 2013 09:31, Smith, John wrote: > Yeah in the end that's what i did, added it to basic.xwd ran the .bat file > yo build template.xwd, renamed to data.xwd and uploaded to svn. Tom then > uploaded basic.xwd to the Xerte svn as i don't have write access to that so > that it won't get removed if someone else does the same. > > Quite easy to do when you know how, perhaps we should have a wiki for this > and other stuff? > > As for enabling by default, you might not want the user to be able to > resume also i called resume as we might be able to make it resume in moodle > without bookmarking for scorm or experience api purposes... > > It could work in flash too if we so wish in the same way that &page=xxx is > fed in... But is it worth it? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. > Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think > I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to > each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box > for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code > can run. > > As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you > could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any > wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to > wizard > > Too much confusing terminology.... > > In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the > LO? Is the wizard not the editor? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > So you only need to add it to the LO then? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to > wizard > > If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. > This can then be bookmarred to resume later... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a > property in the wizard for end users? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through > a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It > appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking > options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out > of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point > me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the > name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to > mind? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland > partners. > > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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URL: From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 30 10:10:27 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:10:27 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D33@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D33@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Deep linking would allow an LO to built in aggregate which is kinda fun. Pat On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:39, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? > > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Julian > it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. > Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. > > As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Too much confusing terminology.... > > In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? > Is the wizard not the editor? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > So you only need to add it to the LO then? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. > This can then be bookmarred to resume later... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en > .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e > n.html > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en > .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e > n.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 10:11:36 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:11:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D8B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> They are starting to get some use. I don't know if you've noticed, but the Xerte list is very quiet these days: it really died off with people dropping Flash last year (it's amazing how quickly that happened), so I don't think there's a conflict. You can get the RSS feed to keep with community site forums, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 10:00 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Obvious to us maybe. What about a Suggest a Feature button linking directly to a specific forum to drive them in? Are the forums getting much use or do they conflict a little with the dist list? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to pipe up, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Ron Mitchell wrote: Julian it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Too much confusing terminology.... In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? Is the wizard not the editor? Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: So you only need to add it to the LO then? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. This can then be bookmarred to resume later... Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII Julian Tenney wrote: This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Importance: High Hi, I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? Thanks in advance. 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Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 30 10:13:26 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:13:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Do they know this though? I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney wrote: > The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to pipe up, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? > > Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? > > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Julian > it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. > Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. > > As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Too much confusing terminology.... > > In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? > Is the wizard not the editor? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > So you only need to add it to the LO then? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. > This can then be bookmarred to resume later... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en > .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e > n.html > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en > .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,e > n.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Tue Apr 30 11:14:59 2013 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:14:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: References: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <015701ce458b$9300b1b0$b9021510$@co.uk> > I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists?< I'd be tempted to say unless/until it's possible to reply to the forum posts via email rather than having to go to the site, login and then respond - the lists have to remain! -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 30 April 2013 10:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Do they know this though? I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney wrote: > The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to > pipe up, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? > > Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? > > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Julian > it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. > Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. > > As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Too much confusing terminology.... > > In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to the LO? > Is the wizard not the editor? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > So you only need to add it to the LO then? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. > This can then be bookmarred to resume later... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... a property in the wizard for end users? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to > wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or point me in the general direction of any instructions? 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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 11:15:46 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:15:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <015701ce458b$9300b1b0$b9021510$@co.uk> References: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <015701ce458b$9300b1b0$b9021510$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572E36@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Yeah, horses for courses, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 30 April 2013 11:15 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not > stop using the lists?< I'd be tempted to say unless/until it's possible to reply to the forum posts via email rather than having to go to the site, login and then respond - the lists have to remain! -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy Sent: 30 April 2013 10:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Do they know this though? I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney wrote: > The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to > pipe up, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great functionality but what does the end user want? > > Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, where they can suggest their ideas? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >> on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? > > Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned > on/off or simply controlled by navigation type? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Ron Mitchell wrote: > > > Julian > it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between > John and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian > Tenney > Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. > Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. > > As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Too much confusing terminology.... > > In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to > the LO? > Is the wizard not the editor? > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > So you only need to add it to the LO then? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. > This can then be bookmarred to resume later... > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > > Julian Tenney wrote: > > > This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... > a property in the wizard for end users? > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, > John > Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to > wizard > Importance: High > > Hi, > > I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway > through a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. > > I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. > > Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or > point me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health & Life Sciences > Glasgow Caledonian University > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en > .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,e > n.html > > > > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number > SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of > the Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6 > 219,en > .html > > Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,1 > 5691,e > n.html > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 30 11:32:14 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:32:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572E36@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <1lciy7q9uff5d7xajyt2yhar.1367311593791@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572D4E@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <015701ce458b$9300b1b0$b9021510$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572E36@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00EC00D7-A99C-4A5F-94AC-BDD248822B8F@pgogywebstuff.com> But on a fora I don't get your reply before Ron's :) Or 500000 words explaining what a Uni's policy is on something and where you are in the times lists. On 30 Apr 2013, at 11:15, Julian Tenney wrote: > Yeah, horses for courses, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 30 April 2013 11:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > >> I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not >> stop > using the lists?< > > I'd be tempted to say unless/until it's possible to reply to the forum posts via email rather than having to go to the site, login and then respond - the lists have to remain! > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 30 April 2013 10:13 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Do they know this though? > > I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? > > I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? > > On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney > wrote: > >> The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to >> pipe up, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great > functionality but what does the end user want? >> >> Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, > where they can suggest their ideas? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >>> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >>> on/off > or simply controlled by navigation type? >> >> Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another > question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? >> >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >> on/off or > simply controlled by navigation type? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> Julian >> it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between >> John > and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >> Tenney >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. >> Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I > think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. >> >> As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you > could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Too much confusing terminology.... >> >> In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to >> the > LO? >> Is the wizard not the editor? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> So you only need to add it to the LO then? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. >> This can then be bookmarred to resume later... >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... >> a > property in the wizard for end users? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to >> wizard >> Importance: High >> >> Hi, >> >> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway >> through > a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >> >> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >> >> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or >> point > me in the general direction of any instructions? 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Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 11:48:21 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Message-ID: <28r6qddy3fwtlos55v38x9sl.1367318901772@email.android.com> Oops, yeah sorry that's us... It was decided a few years ago to insert all that bumff automatically a few years. PITA... Could use another account to reply i suppose just easier with my main one. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: But on a fora I don't get your reply before Ron's :) Or 500000 words explaining what a Uni's policy is on something and where you are in the times lists. On 30 Apr 2013, at 11:15, Julian Tenney wrote: > Yeah, horses for courses, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 30 April 2013 11:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > >> I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not >> stop > using the lists?< > > I'd be tempted to say unless/until it's possible to reply to the forum posts via email rather than having to go to the site, login and then respond - the lists have to remain! > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy > Sent: 30 April 2013 10:13 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Do they know this though? > > I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? > > I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? > > On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney > wrote: > >> The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to >> pipe up, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great > functionality but what does the end user want? >> >> Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type thing, > where they can suggest their ideas? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >>> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >>> on/off > or simply controlled by navigation type? >> >> Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another > question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? >> >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >> on/off or > simply controlled by navigation type? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> Julian >> it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between >> John > and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >> Tenney >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. >> Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I > think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. >> >> As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so you > could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Too much confusing terminology.... >> >> In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to >> the > LO? >> Is the wizard not the editor? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> So you only need to add it to the LO then? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. >> This can then be bookmarred to resume later... >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... >> a > property in the wizard for end users? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to >> wizard >> Importance: High >> >> Hi, >> >> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway >> through > a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >> >> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >> >> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or >> point > me in the general direction of any instructions? 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If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Soci Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 13:40:18 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:40:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <28r6qddy3fwtlos55v38x9sl.1367318901772@email.android.com> References: <28r6qddy3fwtlos55v38x9sl.1367318901772@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572F78@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> You can't please all of the people all of the time - and that's the point I guess. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 30 April 2013 11:48 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard Oops, yeah sorry that's us... It was decided a few years ago to insert all that bumff automatically a few years. PITA... Could use another account to reply i suppose just easier with my main one. Regards John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health and Life Sciences Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: But on a fora I don't get your reply before Ron's :) Or 500000 words explaining what a Uni's policy is on something and where you are in the times lists. On 30 Apr 2013, at 11:15, Julian Tenney wrote: > Yeah, horses for courses, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron > Mitchell > Sent: 30 April 2013 11:15 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > >> I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not >> stop > using the lists?< > > I'd be tempted to say unless/until it's possible to reply to the forum posts via email rather than having to go to the site, login and then respond - the lists have to remain! > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ > Pgogy > Sent: 30 April 2013 10:13 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property > to wizard > > Do they know this though? > > I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? > > I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? > > On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > >> The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to >> pipe up, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great > functionality but what does the end user want? >> >> Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type >> thing, > where they can suggest their ideas? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >>> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >>> on/off > or simply controlled by navigation type? >> >> Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another > question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? >> >> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >> on/off or > simply controlled by navigation type? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Ron Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> Julian >> it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between >> John > and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >> Tenney >> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. >> Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I > think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. >> >> As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so >> you > could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Too much confusing terminology.... >> >> In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to >> the > LO? >> Is the wizard not the editor? >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> So you only need to add it to the LO then? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. >> This can then be bookmarred to resume later... >> >> Regards >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health and Life Sciences >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >> >> >> >> Julian Tenney wrote: >> >> >> This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... >> a > property in the wizard for end users? >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >> John >> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to >> wizard >> Importance: High >> >> Hi, >> >> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway >> through > a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >> >> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >> >> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or >> point > me in the general direction of any instructions? Any suggestions as to the name for this optional property also welcome or anything else that comes to mind? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Smith >> Learning Technologist >> School of Health & Life Sciences >> Glasgow Caledonian University >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en >> .html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,e >> n.html >> >> >> >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Society's Education Initiative of the Year 2009. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 6 >> 219,en >> .html >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Outstanding Support for Early Career > Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. >> http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name, >> 1 >> 5691,e >> n.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and > may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >> the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >> number >> SC021474 >> >> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >> the > Year 2009 and Herald Soci Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com Tue Apr 30 14:17:47 2013 From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat @ Pgogy ) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572F78@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <28r6qddy3fwtlos55v38x9sl.1367318901772@email.android.com> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C51572F78@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <850EAEE6-39D6-4B42-81F1-D1291EA4196A@pgogywebstuff.com> Also the email isn't threading properly anymore - all the emails today have come through separately On 30 Apr 2013, at 13:40, Julian Tenney wrote: > You can't please all of the people all of the time - and that's the point I guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John > Sent: 30 April 2013 11:48 > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to wizard > > Oops, yeah sorry that's us... It was decided a few years ago to insert all that bumff automatically a few years. PITA... Could use another account to reply i suppose just easier with my main one. > > Regards > > John Smith > Learning Technologist > School of Health and Life Sciences > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII > > > "Pat @ Pgogy" wrote: > > > But on a fora I don't get your reply before Ron's :) > > Or 500000 words explaining what a Uni's policy is on something and where you are in the times lists. > > On 30 Apr 2013, at 11:15, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> Yeah, horses for courses, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >> Mitchell >> Sent: 30 April 2013 11:15 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >>> I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not >>> stop >> using the lists?< >> >> I'd be tempted to say unless/until it's possible to reply to the forum posts via email rather than having to go to the site, login and then respond - the lists have to remain! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ >> Pgogy >> Sent: 30 April 2013 10:13 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >> to wizard >> >> Do they know this though? >> >> I think us are a community, but the other list sort of is - maybe a xerte users list? >> >> I'd also to be tempted to say, now we have a community site, why not stop using the lists? >> >> On 30 Apr 2013, at 09:51, Julian Tenney >> >> wrote: >> >>> The forums are an obvious place on the community site for users to >>> pipe up, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:47 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >>> to wizard >>> >>> Thats a good point actually. We're coming up with all this great >> functionality but what does the end user want? >>> >>> Should we have something on the community site, a wishlist type >>> thing, >> where they can suggest their ideas? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >>>> on/off >> or simply controlled by navigation type? >>> >>> Maybe only the end user knows the answer to that? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:37 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >>> to wizard >>> >>> Ron got in first, and with some good reasons which gives us another >> question. Can you skip ahead using &page=xxx without any checking and should you be able to in all situations? >>> >>> Is deeplinking something else that needs to be able to be turned >>> on/off or >> simply controlled by navigation type? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> >>> Julian >>> it's already in place and works great! (See the conversation between >>> John >> and I re Articulate resume functionality etc) However it does need to be an optional property because there are some LO's where you wouldn't want it to be possible to skip direct to specific pages even if pages have been viewed previously. Not just because of non-linear navigation settings but also simply because of context etc. Having this under author control makes sense. >>> HTH >>> Ron >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian >>> Tenney >>> Sent: 30 April 2013 09:19 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >>> to wizard >>> >>> Add it as an optional property to the learningObject section of the xwd. >>> Then the author can enable it, and the end user can make use of it. I >> think I got confused / distracted by the conversation about adding proeprties to each page, you don't need to do that in this case, right? Just one tick box for the author to say 'Enable bookmarking' and then if ticked, your code can run. >>> >>> As far as old LOs go, there aren't any HTML5 old ones as such - so >>> you >> could push it in there and have it always on for HTML5 content without any wizard settings? I take it wouldn't work in the flash version (that's fine). >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 29 April 2013 21:47 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >>> to wizard >>> >>> Too much confusing terminology.... >>> >>> In my mind it needs added to the wizard so the creator can add it to >>> the >> LO? >>> Is the wizard not the editor? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>> >>> So you only need to add it to the LO then? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 29 April 2013 12:13 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Idiots guide wanted to add optional property >>> to wizard >>> >>> If you turn it on then it adds an extra resume=xxx parameter to the url. >>> This can then be bookmarred to resume later... >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> John Smith >>> Learning Technologist >>> School of Health and Life Sciences >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII >>> >>> >>> >>> Julian Tenney wrote: >>> >>> >>> This is going to be a property in the wizard? I'm not sure I follow... >>> a >> property in the wizard for end users? >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, >>> John >>> Sent: 26 April 2013 15:40 >>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Idiots guide wanted to add optional property to >>> wizard >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have hashtag deeplinking working now in such a way that partway >>> through >> a LO you can bookmark your page and return to that page at a later date. It appends the page number as a hash which overrides any other deeplinking options set. I'd like to get this checked in so that I can have a clear out of work-in-progress. >>> >>> I want to make this optional though so as not to affect any existing LOs. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me how you add optional properties to the wizard or >>> point >> me in the general direction of any instructions? 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Email communications with >>> the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, >>> number >>> SC021474 >>> >>> Winner: Times Higher Education's Widening Participation Initiative of >>> the >> Year 2009 and Herald Soci > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 16:21:02 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:21:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] MathJAX Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515730CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I just added the mathJAX stuff to the bootstrap template: what are the delimiters? I saw in your example Tom the `delimters` but what about for blocks? Cheers, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 30 16:25:56 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:25:56 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: MathJAX In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515730CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515730CE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <517FE284.2010108@tor.nl> Julian, There are three ways to do maths in MathJax, LaTeX, MathML and 'asciimath'. What I showed is the asciimath, and that is the only one that by default does not have 'block' delimiters. You'ld have to define those yourself. The reason is, that it's just as easy to put them betweeen

. Tom Op 30-4-2013 17:21, Julian Tenney schreef: > > I just added the mathJAX stuff to the bootstrap template: what are the > delimiters? I saw in your example Tom the `delimters` but what about > for blocks? > > Cheers, > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 30 16:29:41 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:29:41 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] jsTree Message-ID: <517FE365.7040109@tor.nl> Julian, You mentioned that you have been looking at javascript tree views to use in future work. By chance I encountered this one: http://www.jstree.com/ Packaged as a jQuery plugin. Is that one suitable? If not, why not (it will enable me to look for a more appropriate one). Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From reijnders at tor.nl Tue Apr 30 16:34:05 2013 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:34:05 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Learning Object resume function In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517FE46D.8030303@tor.nl> Yes, this will definitely fit in with SCORM (if I can find a SCORM player that implements resume in a proper way...) You should be able to store a resume state in the SCORM datastore, and I would definitely use you're code to do that in stead of re-inventing the wheel, but like I said, I haven't found a proper SCORM implementation yet :-(... Op 27-4-2013 20:03, Smith, John schreef: > Hi all, > > Have now committed some code which gives an optional "Enable resume" property for the LO that simply adds #resume=xxx (where xxx=page number) to the URL client side. I've only done this in the Javascript engine just now and just for Nottingham template to see if it's useful. #resume= takes priority over page=, pageID= or linkID= > > Ron - would be interested to know what kind of parameters/data you would need to store to allow deep resuming into Articulate (and potentially other models). > > Tom - do you see this fitting with what you wish to do with SCORM? > > I'm considering encoding the resume string to prevent tampering and we could also encode some model/scorm specific stuff in there I suppose. > > If someone can test and feed back then i'd appreciate it. > > Regards, > > John Smith | Learning Technologist > Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University > Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA > > Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html > > Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. > http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 16:38:53 2013 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:38:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: jsTree In-Reply-To: <517FE365.7040109@tor.nl> References: <517FE365.7040109@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515730E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I think that was the one that looked closest. There were three candidates if I recall, but I can't remember which ones they were. I didn't have time to explore some of the details, like events and how dataProviders work, but it looks like a good candidate for some more exploration. I know you're thinking about the wizard - there's quite a lot of detail in the code in there, but essentially it's not a complex thing. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 30 April 2013 16:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] jsTree Julian, You mentioned that you have been looking at javascript tree views to use in future work. By chance I encountered this one: http://www.jstree.com/ Packaged as a jQuery plugin. Is that one suitable? If not, why not (it will enable me to look for a more appropriate one). Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 16:55:32 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:55:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Missing file in html5 player?? Message-ID: Hi, I keep getting a windowResized() doesn't exist error in Chrome console when resizing the LO page. the function in called from the onresize even of the body tag but doesn't exist in the code. It does exist though in modules\xerte\js\rlohelper.js but this isn't being included. Question is should it be? or just the windowResized() function - I don't see any other errors cropping up... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 17:07:24 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:07:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: jsTree In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515730E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <517FE365.7040109@tor.nl>, <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515730E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Take your pick... http://www.programmingsolution.net/useful-js/jquery-treeview.php Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 30 April 2013 16:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: jsTree I think that was the one that looked closest. There were three candidates if I recall, but I can't remember which ones they were. I didn't have time to explore some of the details, like events and how dataProviders work, but it looks like a good candidate for some more exploration. I know you're thinking about the wizard - there's quite a lot of detail in the code in there, but essentially it's not a complex thing. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 30 April 2013 16:30 To: For Xerte technical developers (xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) Subject: [Xerte-dev] jsTree Julian, You mentioned that you have been looking at javascript tree views to use in future work. By chance I encountered this one: http://www.jstree.com/ Packaged as a jQuery plugin. Is that one suitable? If not, why not (it will enable me to look for a more appropriate one). Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk Tue Apr 30 17:48:39 2013 From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bug lists In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728A5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C515728A5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Trac looks good... Regards, John Smith | Learning Technologist Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 29 April 2013 10:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Bug lists Should we do something like trac or similar? What do others do elsewhere? Whilst it adds an overhead, it does mean we know what?s going on with requests / bugs, and with more developers working on the code, it will eventually become a must have I think: we?ve managed OK for now, but sooner or later something is going to get forgotten, From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John Sent: 26 April 2013 14:29 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: [Xerte-dev] Bug lists Hi all, Was anything ever decided about what we should do in terms of the reporting and managing of bugs from the user community? Do we have a bug list on the Community site or should we? I?ve come across a few HTML5 bugs from the LO here http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play.php?engine=html5&template_id=20# that seem to be very mac-browser specific that I?m going to try to work around. Fay has an HTML bug list that she?s shared with me but just wondering what you all think we should do going forward? Regards, John Smith Learning Technologist School of Health & Life Sciences Glasgow Caledonian University Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474 Winner: Times Higher Education?s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society?s Education Initiative of the Year 2009. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html Winner: Times Higher Education?s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html