[Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages

[Pat Lockley]

I could do, but ideally I'll need testers and last time this went
horribly wrong (I made the zip outside the SVN, then the SVN changed
in the mean time). I'll take a tag if that is easier?

I have one, at least, non-Xerte LO creation things I'd like to add,
but this means a few changes elsewhere (export was never modularised
properly, module import needs some changes)

No agenda, it just some code I made for WordPress which I can extract
out and do something useful with.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Can you just play around with a checked out copy? What are you driving at?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:37
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages
>
> On this topic....
>
> Could I have a 1.9 branch to play with, I have some experiments I need to conduct.....
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS
>>
>> OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay
>> Cross
>> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages
>>
>> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages
>>
>> OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto.
>>
>> I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime.
>>
>> Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem.
>>
>> The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay
>> Cross
>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages
>>
>> If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and
>> I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and
>> understood how they worked ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages
>>
>> See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C.
>>
>> I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them.
>>
>> If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cross Fay
>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30
>> To: Tenney Julian
>> Subject: Connector pages
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it.
>>
>> See you in a couple of weeks
>> Fay
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