From reijnders at tor.nl Sun Sep 2 20:59:52 2012 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:59:52 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] dragDropLabel modification of Friday August 31 Message-ID: <5043BAB8.40609@tor.nl> Julian, You committed a change to dragDropLabel.rlm in pageTemplates\models... Should that have been done in runtime\pages\models? Similar question for template.xml Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Sep 5 21:22:22 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:22:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> Did anyone try this? If so did it work? View the code here: http://code.google.com/p/xerteonlinetoolkits/source/browse/trunk/upgrade.php ?spec=svn418&r=418 I've been testing on a local install and it seems to work up to line 205 e.g. I can see the select is working but the insert into the ldap table doesn't work. If I drop the ldap table it re-creates it correctly but again doesn't copy any values yet the values are being picked up in the select. So the relevant section of code that isn't working seems to be: $fields = array_keys($ldap_details); $qmarks = ''; $comma = ''; foreach($fields as $field) { $qmarks .= $comma . '?'; $comma = ','; } _debug("Running SQL to copy sitedetails stuff into the ldap table - " . print_r($ldap_details, true)); $ok = db_query_one("INSERT INTO {$ldaptable} ($fields) VALUES($qmarks)", array_values($ldap_details)); return "Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? " . ( $ok ? 'true' : 'false' ); } } Should $qmarks .= $comma . '?'; be $qmarks = $comma . '?'; e.g. without the dot before the equals? Not that removing that fixes the main problem. What else is wrong? Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 30 August 2012 10:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > Brill, thanks, Hi, Try running svn update and then run / point a browser at 'upgrade.php'. It may work; or be very close to working. You'll need to modify config.php to specify you want an LDAP backend etc. I'd strongly suggest you try it on a demo/non-live environment first. David. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David > Goodwin > Sent: 30 August 2012 10:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap > > I am... give me 5 minutes. > > David > > > On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:28, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> I know. I'll be blunt - could someone write one? >> >> ;-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 30 August 2012 10:28 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap >> >> you need a script with read the values from sitedetails and imported >> it into the ldap table >> >> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> I meant for upgrade situations where the existing install is working, and folk (i.e. me) want it to be easy to upgrade... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 30 August 2012 10:24 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap >>> >>> the installer never used to put details into the ldap table, only ever went into the sitedetails table. >>> >>> Guessing the new auth code only uses the ldap table, and so the >>> installer needs to either do both, or just one, depending on what >>> the preference is >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>>> How hard would it be to automate step 4? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 10 August 2012 09:40 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A quick update.. >>>> >>>> This was the process that worked for upgrading an existing 1.7 >>>> install using LDAP for authentication to 1.8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. backup existing database and directory just in case >>>> >>>> 2. drop 1.8 code over top of existing code (for an upgrade you >>>> don't need the setup folder) >>>> >>>> 3. visit the install to test the basics are working ok via guest access e.g. >>>> create and test an LO >>>> >>>> 4. manually add the existing ldap details currently in the >>>> sitedetails table to the ldap table in the database >>>> >>>> 5. change from guest to ldap in config.php by >>>> commenting/un-commenting the relevant line >>>> >>>> 6. refresh index.php and test login via ldap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As I mentioned previously not sure if there's supposed to be an >>>> automated way of transferring ldap details from the sitedetails >>>> table to the ldap table? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The other thing I'm not sure about is that the ldap table contains >>>> ldap_knownname as a field that can't be empty and is created by >>>> basic.sql in a new install and also exists in a 1.7 install yet I >>>> can't find anywhere ldap_knownname is used in either 1.7 or 1.8 code. >>>> Should this be removed from basic.sql? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Julian Tenney >>>> Sent: 09 August 2012 10:39 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I guess these are questions for David or Pat >>>> >>>> Yep. But we need to make this easy, otherwise people are going to >>>> get in a mess / screw up their installs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 09 August 2012 10:31 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Julian >>>> >>>> yes I can see it cropping up regularly once people start trying to >>>> upgrade as opposed to a new install. But at the moment I don't have >>>> the answers to my two questions and especially question 1. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not sure if perhaps 1.8 code should look in sitedetails as well as >>>> the ldap table for existing installs or if upgrade.php isn't working as it should. >>>> Not even sure if upgrade.php is meant to achieve this transfer of >>>> ldap info from sitedetails to ldap? On a new install the values >>>> added during install or via management.php go into the ldap table >>>> but not sure what's supposed to happen for existing installs? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In 1.8 /library/xerte/authentication/ldap code the note says: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * For this to work, you'll need to have at least one entry in the XOT 'ldap' >>>> table. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What is supposed to happen for existing installs where the ldap >>>> values are in sitedetails and also some field/column names differ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I guess these are questions for David or Pat or perhaps Thomas has >>>> encountered/resolved this too? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Julian Tenney >>>> Sent: 09 August 2012 09:56 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron, would you mind documenting this process thoroughly, as you >>>> find out how to do it, because this is going to come up a lot. If >>>> we get one good, thorough set of instructions it will save us a load of pain. >>>> Maybe there is an upgrade script or something we could write? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron >>>> Mitchell >>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 18:29 >>>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] upgrading and ldap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I had a chance to test an upgrade to 1.8 of a previous 1.7 install >>>> which uses ldap today. The previous and working install had the >>>> ldap values in site details rather than the separate ldap table. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Upgrade process: >>>> >>>> drop code over top >>>> >>>> this then defaults to guest access but useful for checking the >>>> basics work >>>> >>>> change from guest to ldap in config.php by commenting/un-commenting >>>> the relevant line >>>> >>>> refresh index.php and try to login via ldap >>>> >>>> get error message LDAP servers not configured in DB >>>> >>>> visit management.php and check - ldap details displayed but not >>>> saved to ldap table in db - clearly coming from site-details >>>> >>>> try running upgrade.php indicates nothing to upgrade >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Questions: >>>> >>>> 1. what's the process for transferring the ldap details from >>>> site_details to ldap table for an existing install? >>>> >>>> In this case I can enter direct in the db but that's surely not the >>>> intended method? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. In the ldap table what typically goes in ldap_knowname? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have >>>> received this message in error, please send it back to me, and >>>> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >>>> information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any >>>> views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>>> >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. 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(Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From david at palepurple.co.uk Wed Sep 5 22:57:37 2012 From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:57:37 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, See below : > > So the relevant section of code that isn't working seems to be: > > $fields = array_keys($ldap_details); > $qmarks = ''; > $comma = ''; > foreach($fields as $field) { > $qmarks .= $comma . '?'; > $comma = ','; > } > _debug("Running SQL to copy sitedetails stuff into the ldap table - > " . print_r($ldap_details, true)); > $ok = db_query_one("INSERT INTO {$ldaptable} ($fields) > VALUES($qmarks)", array_values($ldap_details)); > return "Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? " . ( > $ok ? 'true' : 'false' ); > } > } > > Should $qmarks .= $comma . '?'; be $qmarks = $comma . '?'; e.g. without the > dot before the equals? Not that removing that fixes the main problem. > What else is wrong? > $foo .= "x" is the same as : $foo = $foo . "x" It should be : $qmarks .= $comma . "?" I'll see if I can get it working on a local install. David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd From david at palepurple.co.uk Wed Sep 5 23:13:21 2012 From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:13:21 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> On 5 Sep 2012, at 21:22, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Did anyone try this? yes > If so did it work? > It should now. I made a mistake in the SQL construction. David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Sep 5 23:21:10 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (RonM) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:21:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> Message-ID: <0036E243-AC15-43BE-B609-11C3780931C8@mitchellmedia.co.uk> Cheers will test and confirm tomorrow... Sent from my iPhone On 5 Sep 2012, at 23:13, David Goodwin wrote: > > On 5 Sep 2012, at 21:22, Ron Mitchell wrote: > >> Did anyone try this? > > > yes > >> If so did it work? >> > > > It should now. I made a mistake in the SQL construction. > > David. > > Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) > 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' > > http://www.palepurple.co.uk > Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 > > Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Sep 6 06:32:40 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 06:32:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> Message-ID: <001101cd8bf1$0a00dba0$1e0292e0$@co.uk> The transfer of data from sitedetails to ldap works now but when it works should the return indicate true? I get: Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? false also using upgrade.php?debug=yes doesn't output the queries - am I misunderstanding that should it print the queries to screen? Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 05 September 2012 23:13 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap On 5 Sep 2012, at 21:22, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Did anyone try this? yes > If so did it work? > It should now. I made a mistake in the SQL construction. David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 09:01:00 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 09:01:00 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: dragDropLabel modification of Friday August 31 In-Reply-To: <5043BAB8.40609@tor.nl> References: <5043BAB8.40609@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3D0677F7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Don't worry, it was playing around to explore Dave's issue. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 02 September 2012 21:00 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] dragDropLabel modification of Friday August 31 Julian, You committed a change to dragDropLabel.rlm in pageTemplates\models... Should that have been done in runtime\pages\models? Similar question for template.xml Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From david at palepurple.co.uk Thu Sep 6 10:19:57 2012 From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 10:19:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: <001101cd8bf1$0a00dba0$1e0292e0$@co.uk> References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> <001101cd8bf1$0a00dba0$1e0292e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: On 6 Sep 2012, at 06:32, Ron Mitchell wrote: > The transfer of data from sitedetails to ldap works now but when it works > should the return indicate true? I get: > > Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? false > > also using upgrade.php?debug=yes doesn't output the queries - am I > misunderstanding that should it print the queries to screen? Hi, Try now? I think I've fixed the ?debug=yes stuff so it'll work. thanks David. Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Sep 6 10:39:39 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 10:39:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> <001101cd8bf1$0a00dba0$1e0292e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <003601cd8c13$8ad514e0$a07f3ea0$@co.uk> Yep upgrade.php?debug=yes working now e.g. displaying sql DEBUG Query: INSERT INTO ldap (ldap_knownname,ldap_host,ldap_port,ldap_username,ldap_password,ldap_basedn, ldap_filter,ldap_filter_attr) VALUES(?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?), output 1 and return also shows true e.g. Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? true All good! Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 06 September 2012 10:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap On 6 Sep 2012, at 06:32, Ron Mitchell wrote: > The transfer of data from sitedetails to ldap works now but when it > works should the return indicate true? I get: > > Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? false > > also using upgrade.php?debug=yes doesn't output the queries - am I > misunderstanding that should it print the queries to screen? Hi, Try now. I think I've fixed the ?debug=yes stuff so it'll work. thanks David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 11:19:02 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 11:19:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap In-Reply-To: <003601cd8c13$8ad514e0$a07f3ea0$@co.uk> References: <010001cd758b$568bf850$03a3e8f0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BD29@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003e01cd7611$c0f9a440$42ececc0$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BDAB@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd76d3$ad234800$0769d800$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCAF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCC7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8DCD1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CEF8BF4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <000f01cd8ba4$292991e0$7b7cb5a0$@co.uk> <936F66A3-EAC7-4154-8155-5BA1A76DFE5D@palepurple.co.uk> <001101cd8bf1$0a00dba0$1e0292e0$@co.uk> <003601cd8c13$8ad514e0$a07f3ea0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3D067925@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Thanks for following up with this Ron, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 06 September 2012 10:40 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap Yep upgrade.php?debug=yes working now e.g. displaying sql DEBUG Query: INSERT INTO ldap (ldap_knownname,ldap_host,ldap_port,ldap_username,ldap_password,ldap_basedn, ldap_filter,ldap_filter_attr) VALUES(?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?), output 1 and return also shows true e.g. Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? true All good! Cheers Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin Sent: 06 September 2012 10:20 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: upgrading and ldap On 6 Sep 2012, at 06:32, Ron Mitchell wrote: > The transfer of data from sitedetails to ldap works now but when it > works should the return indicate true? I get: > > Migrated LDAP settings from sitedetails to ldap - ok ? false > > also using upgrade.php?debug=yes doesn't output the queries - am I > misunderstanding that should it print the queries to screen? Hi, Try now. I think I've fixed the ?debug=yes stuff so it'll work. thanks David. Pale Purple Ltd. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 11 13:58:53 2012 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:58:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Meeting in October In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8D446@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BB62@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8D446@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Not sure yet, we need to firm up the arrangements / schedule. How long would you want? Sorry for the delay in replying. I have been thinking through what would be the best way of presenting the Connector pages. I want to avoid a tour through the features of each page as this information would soon be forgotten and it is all available in the documentation I produced. I would prefer to look at the types of projects you can create as this will get people thinking more about how they might make use of the Connector pages. - Standard sequential projects that make use of Connector pages but do not set up specific routes through a project. - Projects that only contain Connector pages and hence have multiple routes through the project. - Projects that mix ordinary pages and Connector pages but use the Connector pages to set up alternative routes through the project. These projects tend to lend themselves to different Connector pages and present different issues to the Author. I am thinking about half an hour should cover it if that is acceptable. The target audience being Authors rather than Developers. I noticed in the Meeting Agenda that the Connector pages are listing for Day 2. Whilst there are issues that would benefit from discussion in the Developer context such as the possible use of a historic back button and what options should the author have to enable / disable navigation buttons this needs to be informed to some degree by the feelings of the authoring community and they have yet to get to grips with these page types. Is it still intended that I present the Connector pages on Day one as part of the agenda that introduces the New Templates in XOT 1.8 as this only has Ron's name against it? Kind regards Johnathan On 28 August 2012 13:35, Julian Tenney wrote: Not sure yet, we need to firm up the arrangements / schedule. How long > would you want? > > > > Are the rest of you alright to show your stuff as well? An indication of > how long you might need would also be useful, > > > > It would be good if you all register so that when we announce the event > more widely, people will see that folk are interested! > > > > J > > > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan > *Sent:* 14 August 2012 11:04 > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Meeting in October > > > > Hello Julian, > > > > I am happy to show people the connector pages. > > > > Will this be on day 1 for the Author community? > > > > How much time do you want me to take up - so I can plan my presentation? > > > > Hope you had a wonderful break. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Johnathan > > > > On 8 August 2012 15:19, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > Hiya, > > > > I?ve decided to call the meeting we have in October ?The second Xerte > Project Annual General Meeting?, and have set up an eventbrite page to > handle the registration: you guys can register now! Also, please pipe up > with any comments before I publicise (with your help!) more widely. > > > > http://xerteprojectagm.eventbrite.co.uk > > > > I?m hoping you?ll all be able to contribute to the first day with demos of > the recent work, so Johnathan, could you show the connectors, maybe Ron > could do an overview of all the new templates, Alistair has said he will > talk about accessibility, Tom, could you cover off internationalisation, > and Fay can demo Xenith. > > > > Pat, are you coming along? Maybe you can help with the > internationalisation stuff? > > > > Is that OK? Plans still a little embryonic, but good to start to publicise > it, > > > > Julian > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Sep 11 15:10:28 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:10:28 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Meeting in October In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C1336BB62@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CA8D446@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3CC234D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> we need to give this some more thought. We have pretty big audience on day 1. The ideas wrote down were just ideas really:, to get things going.. Let's kick this around a bit over the next few days and firm it up a bit ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com] Sent: 11 September 2012 13:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Meeting in October Not sure yet, we need to firm up the arrangements / schedule. How long would you want? Sorry for the delay in replying. I have been thinking through what would be the best way of presenting the Connector pages. I want to avoid a tour through the features of each page as this information would soon be forgotten and it is all available in the documentation I produced. I would prefer to look at the types of projects you can create as this will get people thinking more about how they might make use of the Connector pages. * Standard sequential projects that make use of Connector pages but do not set up specific routes through a project. * Projects that only contain Connector pages and hence have multiple routes through the project. * Projects that mix ordinary pages and Connector pages but use the Connector pages to set up alternative routes through the project. These projects tend to lend themselves to different Connector pages and present different issues to the Author. I am thinking about half an hour should cover it if that is acceptable. The target audience being Authors rather than Developers. I noticed in the Meeting Agenda that the Connector pages are listing for Day 2. Whilst there are issues that would benefit from discussion in the Developer context such as the possible use of a historic back button and what options should the author have to enable / disable navigation buttons this needs to be informed to some degree by the feelings of the authoring community and they have yet to get to grips with these page types. Is it still intended that I present the Connector pages on Day one as part of the agenda that introduces the New Templates in XOT 1.8 as this only has Ron's name against it? Kind regards Johnathan On 28 August 2012 13:35, Julian Tenney > wrote: Not sure yet, we need to firm up the arrangements / schedule. How long would you want? Are the rest of you alright to show your stuff as well? An indication of how long you might need would also be useful, It would be good if you all register so that when we announce the event more widely, people will see that folk are interested! J From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: 14 August 2012 11:04 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Meeting in October Hello Julian, I am happy to show people the connector pages. Will this be on day 1 for the Author community? How much time do you want me to take up - so I can plan my presentation? Hope you had a wonderful break. Kind regards Johnathan On 8 August 2012 15:19, Julian Tenney > wrote: Hiya, I?ve decided to call the meeting we have in October ?The second Xerte Project Annual General Meeting?, and have set up an eventbrite page to handle the registration: you guys can register now! Also, please pipe up with any comments before I publicise (with your help!) more widely. http://xerteprojectagm.eventbrite.co.uk I?m hoping you?ll all be able to contribute to the first day with demos of the recent work, so Johnathan, could you show the connectors, maybe Ron could do an overview of all the new templates, Alistair has said he will talk about accessibility, Tom, could you cover off internationalisation, and Fay can demo Xenith. Pat, are you coming along? Maybe you can help with the internationalisation stuff? Is that OK? Plans still a little embryonic, but good to start to publicise it, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 10:39:03 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:39:03 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Sep 13 10:51:30 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:51:30 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FW: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <002201cd9195$5ab86140$102923c0$@co.uk> I think the scenario connector is a very different kettle of fish to the other connector pages. Personally I don't think the others should be removed as they are simple enough and provide very useful functionality. However I have to confess not getting to grips with the scenario connector either and partly because I'd want more control over the aesthetics even if I fully understood how to use it. Just my 2 cents... -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 10:43:43 2012 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:43:43 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 10:58:39 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:58:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 11:24:45 2012 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:24:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Thu Sep 13 11:33:04 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:33:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: *not my side of things, so playing my Dave B card* Why not make a play_560 connector example? If people could see it they might get it more? Also, should we bundle default examples with the code, or if example_id not set, defer back to x,y,z? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Fay Cross wrote: > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. > > I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. > > Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. > > The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages > > See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. > > I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. > > If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cross Fay > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 > To: Tenney Julian > Subject: Connector pages > > Hello > > Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. > > See you in a couple of weeks > Fay > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 11:34:45 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:34:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Thu Sep 13 11:37:08 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:37:08 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: On this topic.... Could I have a 1.9 branch to play with, I have some experiments I need to conduct..... On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS > > OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. > > I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. > > Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. > > The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages > > See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. > > I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. > > If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cross Fay > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 > To: Tenney Julian > Subject: Connector pages > > Hello > > Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. > > See you in a couple of weeks > Fay > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 11:38:05 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:38:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Can you just play around with a checked out copy? What are you driving at? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 13 September 2012 11:37 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages On this topic.... Could I have a 1.9 branch to play with, I have some experiments I need to conduct..... On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS > > OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. > > I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. > > Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. > > The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay > Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and > I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and > understood how they worked ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney > [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages > > See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. > > I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. > > If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cross Fay > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 > To: Tenney Julian > Subject: Connector pages > > Hello > > Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. > > See you in a couple of weeks > Fay > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 11:49:51 2012 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:49:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I hadn't thought about the connector pages in HTML yet to be honest, I kind of assumed I would leave them to then end. It should be easy to link directly to particular pages and hide navigation controls - what else is needed to get them working? Without wanting to open a can of worms again what was decided about the forward / back / history stuff? The new version just changes forward / back in a linear way but I can change it. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 11:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 11:52:45 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:52:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839CF@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> The navigation issues weren't resolved, I think we reached the point where either historical back or linear back both created situations with the navigation that weren't satisfactory. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:50 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I hadn't thought about the connector pages in HTML yet to be honest, I kind of assumed I would leave them to then end. It should be easy to link directly to particular pages and hide navigation controls - what else is needed to get them working? Without wanting to open a can of worms again what was decided about the forward / back / history stuff? The new version just changes forward / back in a linear way but I can change it. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 11:34 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Thu Sep 13 11:46:54 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:46:54 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I could do, but ideally I'll need testers and last time this went horribly wrong (I made the zip outside the SVN, then the SVN changed in the mean time). I'll take a tag if that is easier? I have one, at least, non-Xerte LO creation things I'd like to add, but this means a few changes elsewhere (export was never modularised properly, module import needs some changes) No agenda, it just some code I made for WordPress which I can extract out and do something useful with. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Can you just play around with a checked out copy? What are you driving at? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > On this topic.... > > Could I have a 1.9 branch to play with, I have some experiments I need to conduct..... > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS >> >> OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. >> >> I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. >> >> Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. >> >> The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and >> I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and >> understood how they worked ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages >> >> See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. >> >> I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. >> >> If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cross Fay >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 >> To: Tenney Julian >> Subject: Connector pages >> >> Hello >> >> Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. >> >> See you in a couple of weeks >> Fay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Sep 13 11:56:45 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:56:45 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 12:00:01 2012 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:00:01 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, , Message-ID: > playing my Dave B card ?? > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:33:04 +0100 > From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > *not my side of things, so playing my Dave B card* > > Why not make a play_560 connector example? If people could see it they > might get it more? > > Also, should we bundle default examples with the code, or if > example_id not set, defer back to x,y,z? > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Fay Cross wrote: > > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. > > ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > > > OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. > > > > I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. > > > > Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. > > > > The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > > > If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages > > > > See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. > > > > I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. > > > > If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cross Fay > > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 > > To: Tenney Julian > > Subject: Connector pages > > > > Hello > > > > Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. > > > > See you in a couple of weeks > > Fay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Xerte-dev mailing list > > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 12:03:15 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:03:15 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about the navigation problems that we know exist. If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Thu Sep 13 12:24:31 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:31 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <003601cd91a2$5924dd10$0b6e9730$@co.uk> I thought you'd already changed the navigation back to linear but left the function in place so that if someone uses a connector could potentially change/use history if required? Going from memory rather than testing this - don't have time for the latter right now. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 13 September 2012 12:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about the navigation problems that we know exist. If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 13 12:23:13 2012 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:23:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Every time I almost finish my response someone posts another message! There is documentation on all of the connector pages available as pdf files. The documentation on the scenario connector includes a full worked example of a two page project that implements the Fox, Goat, Grain - farmer to get them across the river problem where the Fox eats the Goat if you leave them alone and the Goat eats the grain if left with the grain. Unfortunately the only way these have currently been disseminated is by including them in the help folder of the desktop Xerte installation. So it is no wonder that XOT users may think that no documentation is available. There are other pages in Xerte / XOT that take a little bit of understanding, but have been included all the same e.g. Mapstraction, Interactive Diagram (custom hotspots). Personally I am amazed that anyone has been able to make use of the Interactive Diagram page without getting some help to understand how it works, since the method of adding hotspots is atypical to all the other XOT pages. Which does not mean it is a bad page. Just that the power and flexibility offered by the page inevitably comes at the price of a little more effort on the part of the author. When I demonstrated the prototype of the scenario page at the meeting last year there was great interest in the page. If I recall correctly Julian said that what it now needed was a good example of it being used. >From a technical perspective the Scenario page is only displaying text, the occasional graphic and sound file. There is no drag and drop, no videos, nothing that I would have thought would present a display problem in html. I agree that there are some issues regarding navigation that need consideration, but I think they are actually relatively straightforward and can easily be resolved. It is worth remembering that learners coming to XOT projects for the first time may actually be surprised by the linear back button, since their prior web experience is likely to be the historic back button of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Yet they soon adjust to XOTs navigation. I can understand some learners feeling uncomfortable about pages being hidden from them. But this is all about paradigms. It would seem bizarre to consider a book that prevented you from accessing some of its pages. Then programmed learning books came along that set you tasks and based on your response directed you to the appropriate next section of the book. They are not reference works but structured learning experiences. Look at the success that Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone had with the Fighting Fantasy books. My late sister used to read them to my (now 92 year old) Mother and they had no problem navigating the books. We will have a sample of XOT authors available in October maybe we should seek there views regarding - XOT may have been originally designed around purely linear projects but will all XOT users want to remain constrained by that? - If we provide an option for a historic back button how can we do this in a way that will not confuse learners using XOT projects? - One of XOT's strengths is its ease of use and simplicity. However there is a trade off between simplicity and power / flexibility (for want of a better term). Should we exclude new pages that offer new features but at a cost of being more complicated to use. If we include them should they be identified in some way as being "advanced" or some other appropriate descriptor. I agree with Julian that the HTML5 project is a good time be thinking of the future of XOT for years ahead. I can't help feeling that there needs to be some kind of accommodation that retains XOT as a simple to use application to enable it to continue gaining new users with a gentle learning curve but it also needs to be able to grow so that experienced users who are ready to be able to do even more with XOT are not frustrated by a lack of opportunity. The good thing is that we all care about Xerte and XOT else we wouldn't all be putting so much time and effort into it :-) Kind regards Johnathan On 13 September 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney wrote: > I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about > the navigation problems that we know exist. > > If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have > failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that > question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about > what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the > latter until they see it. > > In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte > Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the > connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and > hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector > will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation > to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. > > Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created > a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the > usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. > > Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the > learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those > existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure > we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that > haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit > more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) > > Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document > and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose > what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the > download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by > some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion > and support requirements. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set > up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing > to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would > prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose > myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of > a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to > whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from > a Toolkits project they're viewing. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [ > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. > > I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point > of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I > think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it > was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new > navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't > want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve > parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing > content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. > > Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, > when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the > problem. > > The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and > I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) > was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how > they worked ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [ > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages > > See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. > > I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, > before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved > issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient > documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. > > If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone > version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cross Fay > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 > To: Tenney Julian > Subject: Connector pages > > Hello > > Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say > that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the > Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I > hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no > idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the > actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of > it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did > say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I > wasn't too sure about it. > > See you in a couple of weeks > Fay > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 12:26:17 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:26:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <003601cd91a2$5924dd10$0b6e9730$@co.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> , <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <003601cd91a2$5924dd10$0b6e9730$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83A12@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I have. That's got nothing to do with connectors. It's about what makes sense in a linear piece in our interface. I'm starting to feel a bit like a broken record now, so I'm going to have my lunch. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 12:25 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I thought you'd already changed the navigation back to linear but left the function in place so that if someone uses a connector could potentially change/use history if required? Going from memory rather than testing this - don't have time for the latter right now. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 13 September 2012 12:03 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about the navigation problems that we know exist. If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 12:37:35 2012 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:37:35 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: I was going to mention the Interactive Diagram page earlier as I agree this is pretty hard to get your head around. I know I had to ask about how to use it when I first tried and not long ago someone else in the Learning Team here at Nottingham asked me how to set it up as despite using Toolkits a lot he couldn't work it out. It's definitely another one that needs more explanation. Is the Connector stuff best discussed at the meeting next month? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com] Sent: 13 September 2012 12:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Every time I almost finish my response someone posts another message! There is documentation on all of the connector pages available as pdf files. The documentation on the scenario connector includes a full worked example of a two page project that implements the Fox, Goat, Grain - farmer to get them across the river problem where the Fox eats the Goat if you leave them alone and the Goat eats the grain if left with the grain. Unfortunately the only way these have currently been disseminated is by including them in the help folder of the desktop Xerte installation. So it is no wonder that XOT users may think that no documentation is available. There are other pages in Xerte / XOT that take a little bit of understanding, but have been included all the same e.g. Mapstraction, Interactive Diagram (custom hotspots). Personally I am amazed that anyone has been able to make use of the Interactive Diagram page without getting some help to understand how it works, since the method of adding hotspots is atypical to all the other XOT pages. Which does not mean it is a bad page. Just that the power and flexibility offered by the page inevitably comes at the price of a little more effort on the part of the author. When I demonstrated the prototype of the scenario page at the meeting last year there was great interest in the page. If I recall correctly Julian said that what it now needed was a good example of it being used. >From a technical perspective the Scenario page is only displaying text, the occasional graphic and sound file. There is no drag and drop, no videos, nothing that I would have thought would present a display problem in html. I agree that there are some issues regarding navigation that need consideration, but I think they are actually relatively straightforward and can easily be resolved. It is worth remembering that learners coming to XOT projects for the first time may actually be surprised by the linear back button, since their prior web experience is likely to be the historic back button of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Yet they soon adjust to XOTs navigation. I can understand some learners feeling uncomfortable about pages being hidden from them. But this is all about paradigms. It would seem bizarre to consider a book that prevented you from accessing some of its pages. Then programmed learning books came along that set you tasks and based on your response directed you to the appropriate next section of the book. They are not reference works but structured learning experiences. Look at the success that Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone had with the Fighting Fantasy books. My late sister used to read them to my (now 92 year old) Mother and they had no problem navigating the books. We will have a sample of XOT authors available in October maybe we should seek there views regarding * XOT may have been originally designed around purely linear projects but will all XOT users want to remain constrained by that? * If we provide an option for a historic back button how can we do this in a way that will not confuse learners using XOT projects? * One of XOT's strengths is its ease of use and simplicity. However there is a trade off between simplicity and power / flexibility (for want of a better term). Should we exclude new pages that offer new features but at a cost of being more complicated to use. If we include them should they be identified in some way as being "advanced" or some other appropriate descriptor. I agree with Julian that the HTML5 project is a good time be thinking of the future of XOT for years ahead. I can't help feeling that there needs to be some kind of accommodation that retains XOT as a simple to use application to enable it to continue gaining new users with a gentle learning curve but it also needs to be able to grow so that experienced users who are ready to be able to do even more with XOT are not frustrated by a lack of opportunity. The good thing is that we all care about Xerte and XOT else we wouldn't all be putting so much time and effort into it :-) Kind regards Johnathan On 13 September 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney > wrote: I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about the navigation problems that we know exist. If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 12:41:02 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:41:02 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>, Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83A2C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It does. It's also a good example of how hard it is to get the toothpaste back in the tube once it's out, because, with hindsight, I'd probably not include it now. It's also a damn good example of being pushed into developing some pretty complicated content for someone with 'a big need for a lot of this stuff' - who then never used it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 12:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I was going to mention the Interactive Diagram page earlier as I agree this is pretty hard to get your head around. I know I had to ask about how to use it when I first tried and not long ago someone else in the Learning Team here at Nottingham asked me how to set it up as despite using Toolkits a lot he couldn't work it out. It's definitely another one that needs more explanation. Is the Connector stuff best discussed at the meeting next month? ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com] Sent: 13 September 2012 12:23 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Every time I almost finish my response someone posts another message! There is documentation on all of the connector pages available as pdf files. The documentation on the scenario connector includes a full worked example of a two page project that implements the Fox, Goat, Grain - farmer to get them across the river problem where the Fox eats the Goat if you leave them alone and the Goat eats the grain if left with the grain. Unfortunately the only way these have currently been disseminated is by including them in the help folder of the desktop Xerte installation. So it is no wonder that XOT users may think that no documentation is available. There are other pages in Xerte / XOT that take a little bit of understanding, but have been included all the same e.g. Mapstraction, Interactive Diagram (custom hotspots). Personally I am amazed that anyone has been able to make use of the Interactive Diagram page without getting some help to understand how it works, since the method of adding hotspots is atypical to all the other XOT pages. Which does not mean it is a bad page. Just that the power and flexibility offered by the page inevitably comes at the price of a little more effort on the part of the author. When I demonstrated the prototype of the scenario page at the meeting last year there was great interest in the page. If I recall correctly Julian said that what it now needed was a good example of it being used. >From a technical perspective the Scenario page is only displaying text, the occasional graphic and sound file. There is no drag and drop, no videos, nothing that I would have thought would present a display problem in html. I agree that there are some issues regarding navigation that need consideration, but I think they are actually relatively straightforward and can easily be resolved. It is worth remembering that learners coming to XOT projects for the first time may actually be surprised by the linear back button, since their prior web experience is likely to be the historic back button of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Yet they soon adjust to XOTs navigation. I can understand some learners feeling uncomfortable about pages being hidden from them. But this is all about paradigms. It would seem bizarre to consider a book that prevented you from accessing some of its pages. Then programmed learning books came along that set you tasks and based on your response directed you to the appropriate next section of the book. They are not reference works but structured learning experiences. Look at the success that Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone had with the Fighting Fantasy books. My late sister used to read them to my (now 92 year old) Mother and they had no problem navigating the books. We will have a sample of XOT authors available in October maybe we should seek there views regarding * XOT may have been originally designed around purely linear projects but will all XOT users want to remain constrained by that? * If we provide an option for a historic back button how can we do this in a way that will not confuse learners using XOT projects? * One of XOT's strengths is its ease of use and simplicity. However there is a trade off between simplicity and power / flexibility (for want of a better term). Should we exclude new pages that offer new features but at a cost of being more complicated to use. If we include them should they be identified in some way as being "advanced" or some other appropriate descriptor. I agree with Julian that the HTML5 project is a good time be thinking of the future of XOT for years ahead. I can't help feeling that there needs to be some kind of accommodation that retains XOT as a simple to use application to enable it to continue gaining new users with a gentle learning curve but it also needs to be able to grow so that experienced users who are ready to be able to do even more with XOT are not frustrated by a lack of opportunity. The good thing is that we all care about Xerte and XOT else we wouldn't all be putting so much time and effort into it :-) Kind regards Johnathan On 13 September 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney > wrote: I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about the navigation problems that we know exist. If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. See you in a couple of weeks Fay _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Sep 13 13:31:38 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:31:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83A89@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 I think you can make branches yourself? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 13 September 2012 11:47 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I could do, but ideally I'll need testers and last time this went horribly wrong (I made the zip outside the SVN, then the SVN changed in the mean time). I'll take a tag if that is easier? I have one, at least, non-Xerte LO creation things I'd like to add, but this means a few changes elsewhere (export was never modularised properly, module import needs some changes) No agenda, it just some code I made for WordPress which I can extract out and do something useful with. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Can you just play around with a checked out copy? What are you driving at? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:37 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > On this topic.... > > Could I have a 1.9 branch to play with, I have some experiments I need to conduct..... > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS >> >> OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. >> >> I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. >> >> Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. >> >> The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >> Cross >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and >> I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and >> understood how they worked ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages >> >> See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. >> >> I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. >> >> If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cross Fay >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 >> To: Tenney Julian >> Subject: Connector pages >> >> Hello >> >> Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. >> >> See you in a couple of weeks >> Fay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Thu Sep 13 13:34:17 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:34:17 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83A89@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839A8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839B0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83A89@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yeah, but felt it made sense to ask. Thanks On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Julian Tenney wrote: > https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 > > I think you can make branches yourself? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:47 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > I could do, but ideally I'll need testers and last time this went horribly wrong (I made the zip outside the SVN, then the SVN changed in the mean time). I'll take a tag if that is easier? > > I have one, at least, non-Xerte LO creation things I'd like to add, but this means a few changes elsewhere (export was never modularised properly, module import needs some changes) > > No agenda, it just some code I made for WordPress which I can extract out and do something useful with. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Can you just play around with a checked out copy? What are you driving at? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:37 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> On this topic.... >> >> Could I have a 1.9 branch to play with, I have some experiments I need to conduct..... >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>>> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS >>> >>> OK, thanks, I've commented out the scenario connector from the xwd. Question for you though: can we do the other connectors stuff satisfactorily in the HTML5 runtime? If you think we can then OK (with some reservations that this will allow people to create some dodgy stuff). If there are obvious problems now is the time to back out, not later. In my mind I am at the point now where toolkits is de-coupling from xerte. We are building the foundations for the next n years, and we will only get this opportunity once. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >>> >>> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >>> >>> OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. >>> >>> I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. >>> >>> Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. >>> >>> The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay >>> Cross >>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >>> >>> If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and >>> I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and >>> understood how they worked ________________________________________ >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney >>> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages >>> >>> See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. >>> >>> I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. >>> >>> If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Cross Fay >>> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 >>> To: Tenney Julian >>> Subject: Connector pages >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. >>> >>> See you in a couple of weeks >>> Fay >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Fri Sep 14 01:14:13 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:14:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Zip Message-ID: Hello, The zip comes with a lot of templates? Are they all live? Pat From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Sep 14 07:10:34 2012 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:10:34 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5052CA5A.4030900@tor.nl> As far as I know, only the Nottingham is active after a clean install. Op 14-9-2012 2:14, Pat Lockley schreef: > Hello, > > The zip comes with a lot of templates? > > Are they all live? > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From reijnders at tor.nl Fri Sep 14 08:30:34 2012 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:30:34 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5052DD1A.7060609@tor.nl> I think that we could make excellent use here of the fact that we have modularized everything. Everything is in place to give the administrator the option of creating different sets of pages by enabling or disabling pages. In this way, it should also be possible to create a set, suitable for say, dyslectic students, and another set to be used for visually handicapped students. Than, an institution can also make available a set for experienced users, and for novices. All the basic manipulation code is available (in PHP). It needs some thought, on how to offer this in the management page or elsewhere. As soon as the community website is really up and running, we have a central place to put the documentation on. Regards, Tom Op 13-9-2012 13:23, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > Every time I almost finish my response someone posts another message! > > There is documentation on all of the connector pages available as pdf > files. The documentation on the scenario connector includes a full > worked example of a two page project that implements the Fox, Goat, > Grain - farmer to get them across the river problem where the Fox eats > the Goat if you leave them alone and the Goat eats the grain if left > with the grain. > > Unfortunately the only way these have currently been disseminated is > by including them in the help folder of the desktop Xerte > installation. So it is no wonder that XOT users may think that no > documentation is available. > > There are other pages in Xerte / XOT that take a little bit of > understanding, but have been included all the same e.g. Mapstraction, > Interactive Diagram (custom hotspots). Personally I am amazed that > anyone has been able to make use of the Interactive Diagram page > without getting some help to understand how it works, since the method > of adding hotspots is atypical to all the other XOT pages. Which does > not mean it is a bad page. Just that the power and flexibility offered > by the page inevitably comes at the price of a little more effort on > the part of the author. > > When I demonstrated the prototype of the scenario page at the meeting > last year there was great interest in the page. > > If I recall correctly Julian said that what it now needed was a good > example of it being used. > > From a technical perspective the Scenario page is only displaying > text, the occasional graphic and sound file. There is no drag and > drop, no videos, nothing that I would have thought would present a > display problem in html. > > I agree that there are some issues regarding navigation that need > consideration, but I think they are actually relatively > straightforward and can easily be resolved. It is worth remembering > that learners coming to XOT projects for the first time may actually > be surprised by the linear back button, since their prior web > experience is likely to be the historic back button of Internet > Explorer or Firefox. Yet they soon adjust to XOTs navigation. > > I can understand some learners feeling uncomfortable about pages being > hidden from them. But this is all about paradigms. It would seem > bizarre to consider a book that prevented you from accessing some of > its pages. Then programmed learning books came along that set you > tasks and based on your response directed you to the appropriate next > section of the book. They are not reference works but structured > learning experiences. Look at the success that Steve Jackson and Ian > Livingstone had with the Fighting Fantasy books. My late sister used > to read them to my (now 92 year old) Mother and they had no problem > navigating the books. > > We will have a sample of XOT authors available in October maybe we > should seek there views regarding > > * XOT may have been originally designed around purely linear > projects but will all XOT users want to remain constrained by that? > * If we provide an option for a historic back button how can we do > this in a way that will not confuse learners using XOT projects? > * One of XOT's strengths is its ease of use and simplicity. However > there is a trade off between simplicity and power / flexibility > (for want of a better term). Should we exclude new pages that > offer new features but at a cost of being more complicated to use. > If we include them should they be identified in some way as being > "advanced" or some other appropriate descriptor. > > I agree with Julian that the HTML5 project is a good time be thinking > of the future of XOT for years ahead. I can't help feeling that there > needs to be some kind of accommodation that retains XOT as a simple to > use application to enable it to continue gaining new users with a > gentle learning curve but it also needs to be able to grow so that > experienced users who are ready to be able to do even more with XOT > are not frustrated by a lack of opportunity. > > The good thing is that we all care about Xerte and XOT else we > wouldn't all be putting so much time and effort into it :-) > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > On 13 September 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney > > wrote: > > I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy > about the navigation problems that we know exist. > > If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did > we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if > avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to > not do it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of > Ron Mitchell > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 > To: 'For Xerte technical developers' > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also > about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't > appreciate the latter until they see it. > > In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who > aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of > the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about > navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For > instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely > popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other > pages although it obviously provides that if required. > > Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often > created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. > disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and > action buttons etc. > > Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to > the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of > those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively > - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are > desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my > experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced > XOT user simple! ;-) > > Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to > document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT > installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather > than removing that choice from the download. There are other long > standing page types that are rarely used by some > individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause > confusion and support requirements. > > HTH > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of > Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS > to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it > could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when > learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the > information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip > sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I > answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether > this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect > from a Toolkits project they're viewing. > ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of > Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk > ] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. > > I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand > the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place > for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of > content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding > pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and > allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced > to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with > the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing > content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. > > Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and > later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look > again at the problem. > > The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing > that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of > Fay Cross > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages > > If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she > (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and > understood how they worked ________________________________________ > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > ] On Behalf Of > Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk > ] > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages > > See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. > > I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released > version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We > have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, > and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable > users to have a good time with them. > > If people want to build more complex things, they can use the > standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the > new HTML5 stuff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cross Fay > Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 > To: Tenney Julian > Subject: Connector pages > > Hello > > Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over > to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been > looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to > understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to > work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in > it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It > desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of > it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! > I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community > so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. > > See you in a couple of weeks > Fay > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 14 September 2012 08:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think that we could make excellent use here of the fact that we have modularized everything. Everything is in place to give the administrator the option of creating different sets of pages by enabling or disabling pages. In this way, it should also be possible to create a set, suitable for say, dyslectic students, and another set to be used for visually handicapped students. Than, an institution can also make available a set for experienced users, and for novices. All the basic manipulation code is available (in PHP). It needs some thought, on how to offer this in the management page or elsewhere. As soon as the community website is really up and running, we have a central place to put the documentation on. Regards, Tom Op 13-9-2012 13:23, Kemp Johnathan schreef: Every time I almost finish my response someone posts another message! There is documentation on all of the connector pages available as pdf files. The documentation on the scenario connector includes a full worked example of a two page project that implements the Fox, Goat, Grain - farmer to get them across the river problem where the Fox eats the Goat if you leave them alone and the Goat eats the grain if left with the grain. Unfortunately the only way these have currently been disseminated is by including them in the help folder of the desktop Xerte installation. So it is no wonder that XOT users may think that no documentation is available. There are other pages in Xerte / XOT that take a little bit of understanding, but have been included all the same e.g. Mapstraction, Interactive Diagram (custom hotspots). Personally I am amazed that anyone has been able to make use of the Interactive Diagram page without getting some help to understand how it works, since the method of adding hotspots is atypical to all the other XOT pages. Which does not mean it is a bad page. Just that the power and flexibility offered by the page inevitably comes at the price of a little more effort on the part of the author. When I demonstrated the prototype of the scenario page at the meeting last year there was great interest in the page. If I recall correctly Julian said that what it now needed was a good example of it being used. >From a technical perspective the Scenario page is only displaying text, the occasional graphic and sound file. There is no drag and drop, no videos, nothing that I would have thought would present a display problem in html. I agree that there are some issues regarding navigation that need consideration, but I think they are actually relatively straightforward and can easily be resolved. It is worth remembering that learners coming to XOT projects for the first time may actually be surprised by the linear back button, since their prior web experience is likely to be the historic back button of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Yet they soon adjust to XOTs navigation. I can understand some learners feeling uncomfortable about pages being hidden from them. But this is all about paradigms. It would seem bizarre to consider a book that prevented you from accessing some of its pages. Then programmed learning books came along that set you tasks and based on your response directed you to the appropriate next section of the book. They are not reference works but structured learning experiences. Look at the success that Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone had with the Fighting Fantasy books. My late sister used to read them to my (now 92 year old) Mother and they had no problem navigating the books. We will have a sample of XOT authors available in October maybe we should seek there views regarding * XOT may have been originally designed around purely linear projects but will all XOT users want to remain constrained by that? * If we provide an option for a historic back button how can we do this in a way that will not confuse learners using XOT projects? * One of XOT's strengths is its ease of use and simplicity. However there is a trade off between simplicity and power / flexibility (for want of a better term). Should we exclude new pages that offer new features but at a cost of being more complicated to use. If we include them should they be identified in some way as being "advanced" or some other appropriate descriptor. I agree with Julian that the HTML5 project is a good time be thinking of the future of XOT for years ahead. I can't help feeling that there needs to be some kind of accommodation that retains XOT as a simple to use application to enable it to continue gaining new users with a gentle learning curve but it also needs to be able to grow so that experienced users who are ready to be able to do even more with XOT are not frustrated by a lack of opportunity. The good thing is that we all care about Xerte and XOT else we wouldn't all be putting so much time and effort into it :-) Kind regards Johnathan On 13 September 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney > wrote: I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about the navigation problems that we know exist. If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the latter until they see it. In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion and support requirements. HTH Ron -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from a Toolkits project they're viewing. ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the problem. The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how they worked ________________________________________ From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Cross Fay Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 To: Tenney Julian Subject: Connector pages Hello Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! I did say that it was developed by someone in the Xerte Community so that's why I wasn't too sure about it. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Sep 14 08:53:51 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:53:51 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip In-Reply-To: <5052CA5A.4030900@tor.nl> References: <5052CA5A.4030900@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D07@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> ...and RSS. Just the two there now. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders Sent: 14 September 2012 07:11 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip As far as I know, only the Nottingham is active after a clean install. Op 14-9-2012 2:14, Pat Lockley schreef: > Hello, > > The zip comes with a lot of templates? > > Are they all live? > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Fri Sep 14 09:09:19 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:09:19 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D07@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <5052CA5A.4030900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D07@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Just checking, Should I delete them from the svn? On 14 Sep 2012, at 08:53, Julian Tenney wrote: > ...and RSS. Just the two there now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders > Sent: 14 September 2012 07:11 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip > > As far as I know, only the Nottingham is active after a clean install. > > Op 14-9-2012 2:14, Pat Lockley schreef: >> Hello, >> >> The zip comes with a lot of templates? >> >> Are they all live? >> >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Fri Sep 14 09:18:47 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:18:47 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip In-Reply-To: References: <5052CA5A.4030900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D07@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D2D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I think they are there to support legacy content? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 14 September 2012 09:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip Just checking, Should I delete them from the svn? On 14 Sep 2012, at 08:53, Julian Tenney wrote: > ...and RSS. Just the two there now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom > Reijnders > Sent: 14 September 2012 07:11 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip > > As far as I know, only the Nottingham is active after a clean install. > > Op 14-9-2012 2:14, Pat Lockley schreef: >> Hello, >> >> The zip comes with a lot of templates? >> >> Are they all live? >> >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 14 09:50:53 2012 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:50:53 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages In-Reply-To: <5052DD1A.7060609@tor.nl> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83915@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83944@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <002901cd919e$782eb680$688c2380$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA839ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <5052DD1A.7060609@tor.nl> Message-ID: Sometimes a page is easy to use once you know how it works, it is just the lack of some basic information to get you started that causes initial difficulty As soon as the community website is really up and running, we have a central place to put the documentation on. I have nothing against putting documentation on the community web site, however would it be useful to have a button on the xwd form for a page that on clicking would open a help file. The help file could be stored in a "Docs" folder with subfolders for each language (the same way the wizards work) and the name of the file would match the name used for the .rlm file for the page. Perhaps like the language and advanced check boxes the button would only be enabled if the page had a help file defined. Not sure what would be the best format for the file. PDF springs to mind but I am thinking that it might be something, if implemented, that Tom might want to include in his translation database so as to simplify the creation of translations of the help files into other languages. Kind regards Johnathan On 14 September 2012 08:30, Tom Reijnders wrote: > I think that we could make excellent use here of the fact that we have > modularized everything. Everything is in place to give the administrator > the option of creating different sets of pages by enabling or disabling > pages. > > In this way, it should also be possible to create a set, suitable for say, > dyslectic students, and another set to be used for visually handicapped > students. > > Than, an institution can also make available a set for experienced users, > and for novices. > > All the basic manipulation code is available (in PHP). It needs some > thought, on how to offer this in the management page or elsewhere. > > As soon as the community website is really up and running, we have a > central place to put the documentation on. > > Regards, > > Tom > > Op 13-9-2012 13:23, Kemp Johnathan schreef: > > Every time I almost finish my response someone posts another message! > > There is documentation on all of the connector pages available as pdf > files. The documentation on the scenario connector includes a full worked > example of a two page project that implements the Fox, Goat, Grain - farmer > to get them across the river problem where the Fox eats the Goat if you > leave them alone and the Goat eats the grain if left with the grain. > > Unfortunately the only way these have currently been disseminated is by > including them in the help folder of the desktop Xerte installation. So it > is no wonder that XOT users may think that no documentation is available. > > There are other pages in Xerte / XOT that take a little bit of > understanding, but have been included all the same e.g. Mapstraction, > Interactive Diagram (custom hotspots). Personally I am amazed that anyone > has been able to make use of the Interactive Diagram page without getting > some help to understand how it works, since the method of adding hotspots > is atypical to all the other XOT pages. Which does not mean it is a bad > page. Just that the power and flexibility offered by the page inevitably > comes at the price of a little more effort on the part of the author. > > When I demonstrated the prototype of the scenario page at the meeting > last year there was great interest in the page. > > If I recall correctly Julian said that what it now needed was a good > example of it being used. > > From a technical perspective the Scenario page is only displaying text, > the occasional graphic and sound file. There is no drag and drop, no > videos, nothing that I would have thought would present a display problem > in html. > > I agree that there are some issues regarding navigation that need > consideration, but I think they are actually relatively straightforward and > can easily be resolved. It is worth remembering that learners coming to XOT > projects for the first time may actually be surprised by the linear back > button, since their prior web experience is likely to be the historic back > button of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Yet they soon adjust to XOTs > navigation. > > I can understand some learners feeling uncomfortable about pages being > hidden from them. But this is all about paradigms. It would seem bizarre to > consider a book that prevented you from accessing some of its pages. Then > programmed learning books came along that set you tasks and based on your > response directed you to the appropriate next section of the book. They are > not reference works but structured learning experiences. Look at the > success that Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone had with the Fighting > Fantasy books. My late sister used to read them to my (now 92 year old) > Mother and they had no problem navigating the books. > > We will have a sample of XOT authors available in October maybe we > should seek there views regarding > > - XOT may have been originally designed around purely linear projects > but will all XOT users want to remain constrained by that? > - If we provide an option for a historic back button how can we do > this in a way that will not confuse learners using XOT projects? > - One of XOT's strengths is its ease of use and simplicity. However > there is a trade off between simplicity and power / flexibility (for want > of a better term). Should we exclude new pages that offer new features but > at a cost of being more complicated to use. If we include them should they > be identified in some way as being "advanced" or some other appropriate > descriptor. > > I agree with Julian that the HTML5 project is a good time be thinking of > the future of XOT for years ahead. I can't help feeling that there needs to > be some kind of accommodation that retains XOT as a simple to use > application to enable it to continue gaining new users with a gentle > learning curve but it also needs to be able to grow so that experienced > users who are ready to be able to do even more with XOT are not frustrated > by a lack of opportunity. > > The good thing is that we all care about Xerte and XOT else we wouldn't > all be putting so much time and effort into it :-) > > Kind regards > > Johnathan > > On 13 September 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> I get all that, but I am still not entirely reassured, and uneasy about >> the navigation problems that we know exist. >> >> If people have to ask us why the back button did something it did we have >> failed. That is not a question we should ever face, and if avoiding that >> question means not doing something, I'm prepared to not do it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: >> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell >> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:57 >> To: 'For Xerte technical developers' >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> Rather than just what Toolkits is intended to be I'd say it's also about >> what users would like it to be and also sometimes they don't appreciate the >> latter until they see it. >> >> In my experience of supporting a wide range of XOT users (who aren't >> Xerte Desktop users) they do want and would value some of the functionality >> the connectors provide. This isn't just about navigation to other pages and >> hiding linear navigation. For instance I think the hotspot image connector >> will be extremely popular and can be put to good use without any navigation >> to other pages although it obviously provides that if required. >> >> Also in terms of FWS lots of people (especially in FE) have often created >> a similar kind of non linear navigation in PowerPoint e.g. disabling the >> usual slideshow navigation and adding hyperlinks and action buttons etc. >> >> Like other and long standing page types in XOT a lot comes down to the >> learning design and how it's conceived and applied and many of those >> existing page types can be used badly as well as effectively - I'm sure >> we've also seen examples of each. Likewise there are desired solutions that >> haven't previously been available and in my experience users who want a bit >> more than FWS - e.g. experienced XOT user simple! ;-) >> >> Following the two days in October what I'd be keen to do is to document >> and demonstrate how those responsible for an XOT installation can choose >> what page types to enable/disable rather than removing that choice from the >> download. There are other long standing page types that are rarely used by >> some individuals/organisations and despite being FWS still cause confusion >> and support requirements. >> >> HTH >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 13 September 2012 11:25 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> I think the connector pages (except scenario) pretty much are FWS to set >> up but I'd agree that from the end user point of view it could be confusing >> to have sections hidden. I know that when learning stuff myself I would >> prefer to be able to have all the information available to me and to choose >> myself whether to skip sections rather than have it forced on me because of >> a question I answered at some point. Maybe it does just come down to >> whether this is what Toolkits is intended to be and what people expect from >> a Toolkits project they're viewing. >> ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [ >> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:58 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> OK. Or we get some sort of documentation produced pronto. >> >> I am quite worried about connectors in general. I do understand the point >> of them. I just don't think toolkits is the right place for them, and I >> think we are trying to force a linear piece of content to do something it >> was never intended to do by hiding pages from menus, and creating new >> navigation systems, and allowing people to create bad stuff, and I don't >> want to be forced to do this bad stuff in the HTML5 version to achieve >> parity with the existing set of models, as the alternative is that existing >> content won't automatically port over to the new runtime. >> >> Personally I'd rather scrap them, put it down to experience, and later, >> when we have the HTML5 stuff working properly, we can look again at the >> problem. >> >> The FWS principle has got us a long way, I'm very wary of losing that, >> and I feel like a lone voice in keeping on speaking up for it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:44 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Connector pages >> >> If it helps, it was specifically the Scenario Connector that she (and I) >> was confused about. She had tried the other connectors and understood how >> they worked ________________________________________ >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [ >> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:39 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] FW: Connector pages >> >> See below from Fay, who is manning a stand at ALT-C. >> >> I'm proposing we take the connectors out of the current released version, >> before any more of the genie gets out of the bottle. We have unresolved >> issues with the navigation system to figure out, and there is insufficient >> documentation regarding them to enable users to have a good time with them. >> >> If people want to build more complex things, they can use the standalone >> version. I don't know if connectors make sense in the new HTML5 stuff. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cross Fay >> Sent: 13 September 2012 10:30 >> To: Tenney Julian >> Subject: Connector pages >> >> Hello >> >> Just had an embarrassing moment on the stand... Someone came over to say >> that they have just installed toolkits and she had been looking at the >> Scenario Connector page and wanted help trying to understand it. I said I >> hadn't used it myself but would try to work it out - it turns out I have no >> idea what the hell goes on in it, how do you get the scores to link to the >> actions? It desperately needs more instructions as if I can't make sense of >> it, being pretty familiar with Toolkits, then not many pople will! 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URL: From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Fri Sep 14 09:51:24 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:51:24 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D2D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <5052CA5A.4030900@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D07@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA83D2D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok, I shall consider only Nottingham and RSS "live" On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > I think they are there to support legacy content? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 14 September 2012 09:09 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip > > Just checking, > > Should I delete them from the svn? > > On 14 Sep 2012, at 08:53, Julian Tenney wrote: > >> ...and RSS. Just the two there now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom >> Reijnders >> Sent: 14 September 2012 07:11 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Zip >> >> As far as I know, only the Nottingham is active after a clean install. >> >> Op 14-9-2012 2:14, Pat Lockley schreef: >>> Hello, >>> >>> The zip comes with a lot of templates? >>> >>> Are they all live? >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Sun Sep 16 21:29:57 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:29:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff Message-ID: Hello, Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some questions appear 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... 2) but what if you upload? (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say 4) Need to modularise export and publishing 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). Thoughts / feedback welcome. Pat From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Sep 17 07:47:01 2012 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:47:01 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5056C765.4090505@tor.nl> Good morning Pat, I installed 1.9, and it seems to work, but can you please briefly describe what you are trying to accomplish? The management page for the central templates is different, and taht is about the only difference I can see. Mind you, I didn't look at code level differences... Regards, Tom Op 16-9-2012 22:29, Pat Lockley schreef: > Hello, > > Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch > > Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some > questions appear > > 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder > traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... > 2) but what if you upload? > > (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) > > 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text > file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say > 4) Need to modularise export and publishing > 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte > size", could it be generic? > > I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. > > Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS > (if you want it to be). > > Thoughts / feedback welcome. > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 08:59:59 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:59:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <5056C765.4090505@tor.nl> References: <5056C765.4090505@tor.nl> Message-ID: Morning, The only visible change is that. If you click on update, it will add the timeline module and you'll be able to create these from the menu on the main page. Thoughts on the questions? Pat On 17 Sep 2012, at 07:47, Tom Reijnders wrote: > Good morning Pat, > > I installed 1.9, and it seems to work, but can you please briefly describe what you are trying to accomplish? > > The management page for the central templates is different, and taht is about the only difference I can see. > > Mind you, I didn't look at code level differences... > > Regards, > > Tom > > > Op 16-9-2012 22:29, Pat Lockley schreef: >> Hello, >> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some >> questions appear >> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder >> traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >> 2) but what if you upload? >> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte >> size", could it be generic? >> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS >> (if you want it to be). >> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >> >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 09:44:18 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:44:18 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> 1. OK. 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff Hello, Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some questions appear 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... 2) but what if you upload? (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say 4) Need to modularise export and publishing 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). Thoughts / feedback welcome. Pat _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 09:51:46 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:51:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: 2) Yes FTP 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at present) 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could maintain a xertedev module 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > 1. OK. > 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. > 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present > 4. Yes, also for the HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other ways?) > 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff > > Hello, > > Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch > > Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some questions appear > > 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... > 2) but what if you upload? > > (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) > > 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say > 4) Need to modularise export and publishing > 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? > > I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. > > Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). > > Thoughts / feedback welcome. > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 09:53:25 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:53:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff 2) Yes FTP 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at present) 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could maintain a xertedev module 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > 1. OK. > 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. > 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the > HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other > ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff > > Hello, > > Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch > > Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some > questions appear > > 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... > 2) but what if you upload? > > (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) > > 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text > file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say > 4) Need to modularise export and publishing > 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? > > I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. > > Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). > > Thoughts / feedback welcome. > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:02:10 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:02:10 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > 2) Yes FTP > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at present) > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could maintain a xertedev module > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> 1. OK. >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >> >> Hello, >> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some >> questions appear >> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >> 2) but what if you upload? >> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? >> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). >> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >> >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:03:05 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:03:05 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA84306@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> So you could define properties somewhere for window.open when an editor window is opened? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 10:02 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > 2) Yes FTP > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is > at present) > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could > maintain a xertedev module > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that > size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it > doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> 1. OK. >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >> >> Hello, >> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but >> some questions appear >> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >> 2) but what if you upload? >> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? >> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). >> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >> >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:07:57 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:07:57 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA84306@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA84306@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: that is what I am probably thinking of doing, it just feels like it could be messier than just saying full screen. But it's either or On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > So you could define properties somewhere for window.open when an editor window is opened? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:02 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> 2) Yes FTP >> 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is >> at present) >> 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could >> maintain a xertedev module >> 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that >> size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it >> doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> 1. OK. >>> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >>> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>> >>> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but >>> some questions appear >>> >>> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>> 2) but what if you upload? >>> >>> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>> >>> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >>> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >>> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? >>> >>> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>> >>> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). >>> >>> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:09:33 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:09:33 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA84306@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74BD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Params then, or just do a 'if (xerte){ as now } else { (yourway) For now? -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 10:08 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff that is what I am probably thinking of doing, it just feels like it could be messier than just saying full screen. But it's either or On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > So you could define properties somewhere for window.open when an editor window is opened? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:02 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> 2) Yes FTP >> 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is >> at present) >> 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could >> maintain a xertedev module >> 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that >> size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it >> doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> 1. OK. >>> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >>> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>> >>> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but >>> some questions appear >>> >>> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>> 2) but what if you upload? >>> >>> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>> >>> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >>> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >>> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? >>> >>> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>> >>> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). >>> >>> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From jennysong.ss at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:04:58 2012 From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:04:58 +0800 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello guys, Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? Jenny On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: > Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: > > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point > to that, rather than the default one? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > > > 2) Yes FTP > > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at > present) > > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could > maintain a xertedev module > > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size > is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't > need to be that size (same for preview) > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > >> 1. OK. > >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, > via FTP say? That's OK with me. > >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the > >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other > >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > >> Lockley > >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch > >> > >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some > >> questions appear > >> > >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder > traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... > >> 2) but what if you upload? > >> > >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) > >> > >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text > >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say > >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing > >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", > could it be generic? > >> > >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. > >> > >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS > (if you want it to be). > >> > >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:12:13 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Check out the 1.9 branch: https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jenny.S Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff Hello guys, Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? Jenny On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley > wrote: Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > 2) Yes FTP > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at present) > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could maintain a xertedev module > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney > wrote: >> 1. OK. >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >> >> Hello, >> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some >> questions appear >> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >> 2) but what if you upload? >> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? >> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). >> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >> >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:18:36 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:18:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74BD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA84306@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74BD@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll do params, will add some more lines to the .info files (seems logical) On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Params then, or just do a 'if (xerte){ as now } else { (yourway) > > For now? > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:08 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > that is what I am probably thinking of doing, it just feels like it could be messier than just saying full screen. > > But it's either or > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> So you could define properties somewhere for window.open when an editor window is opened? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:02 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point to that, rather than the default one? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> >>> 2) Yes FTP >>> 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is >>> at present) >>> 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could >>> maintain a xertedev module >>> 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that >>> size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it >>> doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>>> 1. OK. >>>> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >>>> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>>> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>>> Lockley >>>> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>> >>>> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but >>>> some questions appear >>>> >>>> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>> 2) but what if you upload? >>>> >>>> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>> >>>> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >>>> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >>>> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", could it be generic? >>>> >>>> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>> >>>> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>> >>>> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>>> >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:20:22 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:20:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: The new editor needs work (I can make it work, but it needs more guidance and stuff) so I'd not download it just yet. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Check out the 1.9 branch: > https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 > > > > > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jenny.S > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 > > > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > > > Hello guys, > Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? > > Jenny > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley > wrote: > > Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney > > wrote: >> So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point >> to that, rather than the default one? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> 2) Yes FTP >> 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at >> present) >> 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could >> maintain a xertedev module >> 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size >> is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't >> need to be that size (same for preview) >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >> wrote: >>> 1. OK. >>> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, via >>> FTP say? That's OK with me. >>> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >>> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>> >>> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some >>> questions appear >>> >>> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder >>> traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>> 2) but what if you upload? >>> >>> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>> >>> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >>> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >>> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", >>> could it be generic? >>> >>> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>> >>> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS >>> (if you want it to be). >>> >>> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and >>> may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:24:11 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:24:11 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). You looked at http://videojs.com/ You could also do a if(document.createElement("video")){ html5}else{ flash } which is what they all do really On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? > > > > Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 media > stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a rubbish > license for us: we can?t really re-distribute it in a way that makes the > licensing clear to end users, I?d rather find a GPL media player that we can > clearly redistribute; open source is even better. > > > > The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee?d university doesn?t count > as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper because it means we can?t > clearly say to people ?Yep. You can definitely use it?. I?ve been in contact > with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don?t know the answer. > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:26:41 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:26:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Ah, OK, can probably live without the GA stuff. We haven't got time to build our own player in the Xenith timeline, but I get the principle behind them: it's also one of those problems that only needs solving once, so a good gpl solution would be great at least for now. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 10:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). You looked at http://videojs.com/ You could also do a if(document.createElement("video")){ html5}else{ flash } which is what they all do really On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? > > > > Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 media > stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a rubbish > license for us: we can't really re-distribute it in a way that makes > the licensing clear to end users, I'd rather find a GPL media player > that we can clearly redistribute; open source is even better. > > > > The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee'd university doesn't > count as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper because it > means we can't clearly say to people 'Yep. You can definitely use it'. > I've been in contact with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don't know the answer. > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete > it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in > this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by > the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From jennysong.ss at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:19:52 2012 From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:19:52 +0800 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Julian! I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn how to customize the templates. Jenny On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > Check out the 1.9 branch: > https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jenny.S > *Sent:* 17 September 2012 10:05 > > *To:* For Xerte technical developers > *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff**** > > ** ** > > Hello guys, > Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? > > Jenny**** > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley < > patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:**** > > Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney**** > > wrote: > > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point > to that, rather than the default one? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto: > xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 > > To: For Xerte technical developers > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > > > 2) Yes FTP > > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at > present) > > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could > maintain a xertedev module > > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size > is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't > need to be that size (same for preview) > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney < > Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > >> 1. OK. > >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, > via FTP say? That's OK with me. > >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the > >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other > >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > >> Lockley > >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 > >> To: For Xerte technical developers > >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch > >> > >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some > >> questions appear > >> > >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder > traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... > >> 2) but what if you upload? > >> > >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) > >> > >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text > >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say > >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing > >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", > could it be generic? > >> > >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. > >> > >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS > (if you want it to be). > >> > >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Xerte-dev mailing list > >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > >> > >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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URL: From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:30:32 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:30:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Why not make it agnostic? So you allow for people to use whatever library they like? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Ah, OK, can probably live without the GA stuff. > > We haven't got time to build our own player in the Xenith timeline, but I get the principle behind them: it's also one of those problems that only needs solving once, so a good gpl solution would be great at least for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers > > I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. > > media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). > > You looked at http://videojs.com/ > > You could also do a > > if(document.createElement("video")){ > html5}else{ > flash > } > > which is what they all do really > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? >> >> >> >> Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 media >> stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a rubbish >> license for us: we can't really re-distribute it in a way that makes >> the licensing clear to end users, I'd rather find a GPL media player >> that we can clearly redistribute; open source is even better. >> >> >> >> The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee'd university doesn't >> count as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper because it >> means we can't clearly say to people 'Yep. You can definitely use it'. >> I've been in contact with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don't know the answer. >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete >> it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in >> this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:34:29 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:34:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7503@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Sure, but we need to redistribute something to get people up and running, and need to be sure of the licensing implications for our users, i.e. there are no questions about whether they can / can't do this / that -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 10:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers Why not make it agnostic? So you allow for people to use whatever library they like? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Ah, OK, can probably live without the GA stuff. > > We haven't got time to build our own player in the Xenith timeline, but I get the principle behind them: it's also one of those problems that only needs solving once, so a good gpl solution would be great at least for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers > > I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. > > media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). > > You looked at http://videojs.com/ > > You could also do a > > if(document.createElement("video")){ > html5}else{ > flash > } > > which is what they all do really > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? >> >> >> >> Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 >> media stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a >> rubbish license for us: we can't really re-distribute it in a way >> that makes the licensing clear to end users, I'd rather find a GPL >> media player that we can clearly redistribute; open source is even better. >> >> >> >> The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee'd university >> doesn't count as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper >> because it means we can't clearly say to people 'Yep. You can definitely use it'. >> I've been in contact with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don't know the answer. >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete >> it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in >> this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:31:52 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:31:52 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74FC@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > You looked at http://videojs.com/ Yes. The license isn't stated anywhere I can easily find, and isn't included in the download, but with a bit of digging appears to be LGPL. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 10:24 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). You looked at http://videojs.com/ You could also do a if(document.createElement("video")){ html5}else{ flash } which is what they all do really On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? > > > > Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 media > stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a rubbish > license for us: we can't really re-distribute it in a way that makes > the licensing clear to end users, I'd rather find a GPL media player > that we can clearly redistribute; open source is even better. > > > > The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee'd university doesn't > count as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper because it > means we can't clearly say to people 'Yep. You can definitely use it'. > I've been in contact with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don't know the answer. > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete > it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in > this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 10:38:13 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:38:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7503@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7503@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes, but agnostic with a default setting On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Sure, but we need to redistribute something to get people up and running, and need to be sure of the licensing implications for our users, i.e. there are no questions about whether they can / can't do this / that > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:31 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers > > Why not make it agnostic? > > So you allow for people to use whatever library they like? > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Ah, OK, can probably live without the GA stuff. >> >> We haven't got time to build our own player in the Xenith timeline, but I get the principle behind them: it's also one of those problems that only needs solving once, so a good gpl solution would be great at least for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:24 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers >> >> I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. >> >> media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). >> >> You looked at http://videojs.com/ >> >> You could also do a >> >> if(document.createElement("video")){ >> html5}else{ >> flash >> } >> >> which is what they all do really >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? >>> >>> >>> >>> Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 >>> media stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a >>> rubbish license for us: we can't really re-distribute it in a way >>> that makes the licensing clear to end users, I'd rather find a GPL >>> media player that we can clearly redistribute; open source is even better. >>> >>> >>> >>> The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee'd university >>> doesn't count as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper >>> because it means we can't clearly say to people 'Yep. You can definitely use it'. >>> I've been in contact with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don't know the answer. >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >>> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete >>> it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in >>> this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 17 10:56:49 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:56:49 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C9@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74EA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7556@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> http://praegnanz.de/html5video/ MediaElement doesn't do playlists; video.js isn't the best for accessiblility (keyboard control wins out); a ton of the players here are built using jwplayer. -----Original Message----- From: Tenney Julian Sent: 17 September 2012 10:34 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers Sure, but we need to redistribute something to get people up and running, and need to be sure of the licensing implications for our users, i.e. there are no questions about whether they can / can't do this / that -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 10:31 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers Why not make it agnostic? So you allow for people to use whatever library they like? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > Ah, OK, can probably live without the GA stuff. > > We haven't got time to build our own player in the Xenith timeline, but I get the principle behind them: it's also one of those problems that only needs solving once, so a good gpl solution would be great at least for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 10:24 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5 Media PLayers > > I prefer jwplayer as it has event tracking for google analytics built in. > > media elements was ok, but I couldn't make the GA tracking work with it (it is one guy working on it, so not wanting to criticise). > > You looked at http://videojs.com/ > > You could also do a > > if(document.createElement("video")){ > html5}else{ > flash > } > > which is what they all do really > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Pat, what was the problem you found with MediaElement.js? >> >> >> >> Fay has used the JWPlayer up till now to cope with all the HTML5 >> media stuff. We need to use something. JWPlayer is CC-NC, which is a >> rubbish license for us: we can't really re-distribute it in a way >> that makes the licensing clear to end users, I'd rather find a GPL >> media player that we can clearly redistribute; open source is even better. >> >> >> >> The folks at JWP seem to think that a tuition-fee'd university >> doesn't count as non-commercial, which is a bit of a showstopper >> because it means we can't clearly say to people 'Yep. You can definitely use it'. >> I've been in contact with JW folks for nearly a week, and I still don't know the answer. >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete >> it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in >> this message or in any attachment. 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Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 14:30:31 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:30:31 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: > Thanks Julian! > I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn how to > customize the templates. > Jenny > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney > wrote: >> >> Check out the 1.9 branch: >> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >> >> >> >> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jenny.S >> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> >> >> Hello guys, >> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >> >> Jenny >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >> wrote: >> >> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >> >> wrote: >> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point >> > to that, rather than the default one? >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley >> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >> > To: For Xerte technical developers >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> > >> > 2) Yes FTP >> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at >> > present) >> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could >> > maintain a xertedev module >> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size >> > is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't >> > need to be that size (same for preview) >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >> > wrote: >> >> 1. OK. >> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, >> >> via FTP say? That's OK with me. >> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> >> Lockley >> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >> >> >> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some >> >> questions appear >> >> >> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder >> >> traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >> >> 2) but what if you upload? >> >> >> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >> >> >> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >> >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", >> >> could it be generic? >> >> >> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >> >> >> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS >> >> (if you want it to be). >> >> >> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> >> and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 17 23:37:40 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:37:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: new code added 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes 2) to allow for different file names for different templates 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte settings On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: > For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >> Thanks Julian! >> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn how to >> customize the templates. >> Jenny >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >> wrote: >>> >>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jenny.S >>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>> >>> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello guys, >>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>> >>> Jenny >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>> >>> wrote: >>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you point >>> > to that, rather than the default one? >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley >>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> > >>> > 2) Yes FTP >>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it is at >>> > present) >>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you could >>> > maintain a xertedev module >>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but that size >>> > is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte editor, so it doesn't >>> > need to be that size (same for preview) >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>> > wrote: >>> >> 1. OK. >>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file structure, >>> >> via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for the >>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> >> Lockley >>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>> >> >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>> >> >>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but some >>> >> questions appear >>> >> >>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a folder >>> >> traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>> >> >>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>> >> >>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a text >>> >> file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only my say >>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte size", >>> >> could it be generic? >>> >> >>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>> >> >>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning content CMS >>> >> (if you want it to be). >>> >> >>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>> >> >>> >> Pat >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >> >>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >>> >> and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Sep 18 09:21:36 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:21:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer to work more incrementally if we can, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff new code added 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes 2) to allow for different file names for different templates 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte settings On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: > For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >> Thanks Julian! >> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >> how to customize the templates. >> Jenny >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >> wrote: >>> >>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> Jenny.S >>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>> >>> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello guys, >>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>> >>> Jenny >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>> >>> wrote: >>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you >>> > point to that, rather than the default one? >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> > Lockley >>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> > >>> > 2) Yes FTP >>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it >>> > is at >>> > present) >>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>> > wrote: >>> >> 1. OK. >>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>> >> the >>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>> >> Pat Lockley >>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>> >> >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>> >> >>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but >>> >> some questions appear >>> >> >>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>> >> >>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>> >> >>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a >>> >> text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only >>> >> my say >>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte >>> >> size", could it be generic? >>> >> >>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>> >> >>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>> >> >>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>> >> >>> >> Pat >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >> >>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications >>> >> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted >>> >> by UK legislation. >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Xerte-dev mailing list >>> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Xerte-dev mailing list >>> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have >>> received this message in error, please send it back to me, and >>> immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the >>> information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any >>> views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage >>> your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. >>> Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be >>> monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in >>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not >>> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or >>> in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of >>> this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage >>> your computer >>> system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not >> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in >> any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of >> this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> >> _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Tue Sep 18 09:31:39 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:31:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). I'd be happy for people to test it I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer to work more incrementally if we can, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > new code added > > 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes > 2) to allow for different file names for different templates > 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte settings > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>> Thanks Julian! >>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>> how to customize the templates. >>> Jenny >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Jenny.S >>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>> >>>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello guys, >>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>> >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and you >>>> > point to that, rather than the default one? >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>>> > Lockley >>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>> > >>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where it >>>> > is at >>>> > present) >>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> 1. OK. >>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>> >> the >>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in other >>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello, >>>> >> >>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>> >> >>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... but >>>> >> some questions appear >>>> >> >>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>> >> >>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>> >> >>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a >>>> >> text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only >>>> >> my say >>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte >>>> >> size", could it be generic? >>>> >> >>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>> >> >>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>> >> >>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>> >> >>>> >> Pat >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >> >>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications with >>> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Sep 18 10:10:46 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:10:46 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It sounds like it would be worth talking to Fay about making sure the export will work with the HTML5 stuff, she's away this week, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 18 September 2012 09:32 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). I'd be happy for people to test it I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer > to work more incrementally if we can, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > new code added > > 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes > 2) to allow for different file names for different templates > 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte > settings > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>> Thanks Julian! >>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>> how to customize the templates. >>> Jenny >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> Jenny.S >>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>> >>>> >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello guys, >>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>> >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and >>>> > you point to that, rather than the default one? >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> > Pat Lockley >>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>> > >>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where >>>> > it is at >>>> > present) >>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> 1. OK. >>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>> >> the >>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in >>>> >> other >>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello, >>>> >> >>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>> >> >>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... >>>> >> but some questions appear >>>> >> >>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>> >> >>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>> >> >>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a >>>> >> text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only >>>> >> my say >>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte >>>> >> size", could it be generic? >>>> >> >>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>> >> >>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>> >> >>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>> >> >>>> >> Pat >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >> >>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Please do not >>>> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or >>>> in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author >>>> of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>>> >>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage >>>> your computer >>>> system: >>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in >>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not >>> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or >>> in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of >>> this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >>> >>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications >>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Tue Sep 18 11:39:36 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:39:36 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: well you've 2 options now 1) Have a HTML5 template separate from the existing one 2) Put a load of if else logic into the xerte code to deal with exporting, and playing (i think exporting is a distant second to playing) Unless The plan is to have a specific mobile URL, which relies on someone knowing who will access what and from what device. Which seems a little counter-intuitive. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > It sounds like it would be worth talking to Fay about making sure the export will work with the HTML5 stuff, she's away this week, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 18 September 2012 09:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). > > I'd be happy for people to test it > > I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer >> to work more incrementally if we can, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> new code added >> >> 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes >> 2) to allow for different file names for different templates >> 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte >> settings >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >>> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>>> Thanks Julian! >>>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>>> how to customize the templates. >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> Jenny.S >>>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello guys, >>>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>>> >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and >>>>> > you point to that, rather than the default one? >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> > Pat Lockley >>>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>> > >>>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where >>>>> > it is at >>>>> > present) >>>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> 1. OK. >>>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in >>>>> >> other >>>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Hello, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... >>>>> >> but some questions appear >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a >>>>> >> text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only >>>>> >> my say >>>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be "xerte >>>>> >> size", could it be generic? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Pat >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Sep 18 11:51:29 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7BB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> The way I see it panning out is that at some point the existing URL starts to use the new runtime, with a fall back to the flash one for non-compatible browsers. One URL for all devices is the goal. So it's still the 'Nottingham' template in effect, -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 18 September 2012 11:40 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff well you've 2 options now 1) Have a HTML5 template separate from the existing one 2) Put a load of if else logic into the xerte code to deal with exporting, and playing (i think exporting is a distant second to playing) Unless The plan is to have a specific mobile URL, which relies on someone knowing who will access what and from what device. Which seems a little counter-intuitive. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > It sounds like it would be worth talking to Fay about making sure the > export will work with the HTML5 stuff, she's away this week, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 18 September 2012 09:32 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). > > I'd be happy for people to test it > > I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer >> to work more incrementally if we can, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> new code added >> >> 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes >> 2) to allow for different file names for different templates >> 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte >> settings >> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >>> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>>> Thanks Julian! >>>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>>> how to customize the templates. >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> Jenny.S >>>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello guys, >>>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>>> >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and >>>>> > you point to that, rather than the default one? >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> > Pat Lockley >>>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>> > >>>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where >>>>> > it is at >>>>> > present) >>>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> 1. OK. >>>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in >>>>> >> other >>>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Hello, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... >>>>> >> but some questions appear >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a >>>>> >> text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only >>>>> >> my say >>>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be >>>>> >> "xerte size", could it be generic? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Pat >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications >>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Tue Sep 18 22:51:01 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:51:01 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7BB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7BB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok, Simile timeline internationalised, the export code is now fully modularised Please test :) Feedback welcome. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > The way I see it panning out is that at some point the existing URL starts to use the new runtime, with a fall back to the flash one for non-compatible browsers. One URL for all devices is the goal. So it's still the 'Nottingham' template in effect, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 18 September 2012 11:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > well you've 2 options now > > 1) Have a HTML5 template separate from the existing one > 2) Put a load of if else logic into the xerte code to deal with exporting, and playing (i think exporting is a distant second to > playing) > > Unless > > The plan is to have a specific mobile URL, which relies on someone knowing who will access what and from what device. Which seems a little counter-intuitive. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> It sounds like it would be worth talking to Fay about making sure the >> export will work with the HTML5 stuff, she's away this week, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 18 September 2012 09:32 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). >> >> I'd be happy for people to test it >> >> I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer >>> to work more incrementally if we can, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> >>> new code added >>> >>> 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes >>> 2) to allow for different file names for different templates >>> 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte >>> settings >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >>>> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>>>> Thanks Julian! >>>>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>>>> how to customize the templates. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Jenny.S >>>>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello guys, >>>>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and >>>>>> > you point to that, rather than the default one? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>> > Pat Lockley >>>>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where >>>>>> > it is at >>>>>> > present) >>>>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> 1. OK. >>>>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in >>>>>> >> other >>>>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Hello, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... >>>>>> >> but some questions appear >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using a >>>>>> >> text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's only >>>>>> >> my say >>>>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be >>>>>> >> "xerte size", could it be generic? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Pat >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications >>>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 09:48:14 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:48:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7BB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7FC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> > Please test :) Feedback welcome. This is something to put on the discussions for next month. 'Please test'. How? The problem is, no one is likely to, I've got a rough idea what you're doing, but I haven't the faintest idea how I'd test it - as obvious as it might seem to you. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 18 September 2012 22:51 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff Ok, Simile timeline internationalised, the export code is now fully modularised Please test :) Feedback welcome. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: > The way I see it panning out is that at some point the existing URL > starts to use the new runtime, with a fall back to the flash one for > non-compatible browsers. One URL for all devices is the goal. So it's > still the 'Nottingham' template in effect, > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat > Lockley > Sent: 18 September 2012 11:40 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > well you've 2 options now > > 1) Have a HTML5 template separate from the existing one > 2) Put a load of if else logic into the xerte code to deal with > exporting, and playing (i think exporting is a distant second to > playing) > > Unless > > The plan is to have a specific mobile URL, which relies on someone knowing who will access what and from what device. Which seems a little counter-intuitive. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> It sounds like it would be worth talking to Fay about making sure the >> export will work with the HTML5 stuff, she's away this week, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 18 September 2012 09:32 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). >> >> I'd be happy for people to test it >> >> I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer >>> to work more incrementally if we can, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> >>> new code added >>> >>> 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes >>> 2) to allow for different file names for different templates >>> 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte >>> settings >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >>>> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>>>> Thanks Julian! >>>>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>>>> how to customize the templates. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Jenny.S >>>>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello guys, >>>>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and >>>>>> > you point to that, rather than the default one? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>> > Pat Lockley >>>>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where >>>>>> > it is at >>>>>> > present) >>>>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> 1. OK. >>>>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in >>>>>> >> other >>>>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Hello, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... >>>>>> >> but some questions appear >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using >>>>>> >> a text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's >>>>>> >> only my say >>>>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be >>>>>> >> "xerte size", could it be generic? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Pat >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications >>>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Wed Sep 19 09:57:38 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:57:38 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7FC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842D3@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DA842ED@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA74C1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7955@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7A17@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7BB4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3DFA7FC0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: 1) Check export and publish work as expected - only core changes 2) User interface for the timeline creator On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> Please test :) Feedback welcome. > This is something to put on the discussions for next month. 'Please test'. How? The problem is, no one is likely to, I've got a rough idea what you're doing, but I haven't the faintest idea how I'd test it - as obvious as it might seem to you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 18 September 2012 22:51 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff > > Ok, > > Simile timeline internationalised, the export code is now fully modularised > > Please test :) Feedback welcome. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >> The way I see it panning out is that at some point the existing URL >> starts to use the new runtime, with a fall back to the flash one for >> non-compatible browsers. One URL for all devices is the goal. So it's >> still the 'Nottingham' template in effect, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >> Lockley >> Sent: 18 September 2012 11:40 >> To: For Xerte technical developers >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >> >> well you've 2 options now >> >> 1) Have a HTML5 template separate from the existing one >> 2) Put a load of if else logic into the xerte code to deal with >> exporting, and playing (i think exporting is a distant second to >> playing) >> >> Unless >> >> The plan is to have a specific mobile URL, which relies on someone knowing who will access what and from what device. Which seems a little counter-intuitive. >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>> It sounds like it would be worth talking to Fay about making sure the >>> export will work with the HTML5 stuff, she's away this week, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>> Lockley >>> Sent: 18 September 2012 09:32 >>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>> >>> I've only done limited testing of exports (worked for a basic one, and the code isn't pretty). >>> >>> I'd be happy for people to test it >>> >>> I also had to make some changes to config.php - added a new block of code in, I'd probably move that into a new library, but would sooner discuss it first? >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Julian Tenney wrote: >>>> If it all works, let's roll it into the current zip file: I'd prefer >>>> to work more incrementally if we can, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat >>>> Lockley >>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 23:38 >>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>> >>>> new code added >>>> >>>> 1) to allow for custom edit and preview sizes >>>> 2) to allow for different file names for different templates >>>> 3) export and publish now modularised / not dependant on xerte >>>> settings >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Pat Lockley wrote: >>>>> For ref, 1.9 drops in over 1.8 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Jenny.S wrote: >>>>>> Thanks Julian! >>>>>> I've made my site work with XOT seamlessly. Now it's time to learn >>>>>> how to customize the templates. >>>>>> Jenny >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Julian Tenney >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check out the 1.9 branch: >>>>>>> https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.9 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Jenny.S >>>>>>> Sent: 17 September 2012 10:05 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello guys, >>>>>>> Is there a link to download newest xerte dev version ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Pat Lockley >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, no xerte will be harmed in the making of the new module >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > So you've made a new editor specifically for your content, and >>>>>>> > you point to that, rather than the default one? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> > Pat Lockley >>>>>>> > Sent: 17 September 2012 09:52 >>>>>>> > To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 stuff >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > 2) Yes FTP >>>>>>> > 3) Probably easier than adding it into the XML root node (where >>>>>>> > it is at >>>>>>> > present) >>>>>>> > 4) Probably, it'd make developing a new template easier as you >>>>>>> > could maintain a xertedev module >>>>>>> > 5) If you hit edit, the edit window is always editor size, but >>>>>>> > that size is the xerte editor, and my editor isn't the xerte >>>>>>> > editor, so it doesn't need to be that size (same for preview) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Julian Tenney >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >> 1. OK. >>>>>>> >> 2. You mean new templates get added diretly into the file >>>>>>> >> structure, via FTP say? That's OK with me. >>>>>>> >> 3. Fair enough. Sounds easier than at present 4. Yes, also for >>>>>>> >> the >>>>>>> >> HTML5 stuff (is what you are doing here relevant to that in >>>>>>> >> other >>>>>>> >> ways?) 5. The wizard? It's coded for that size. What's the problem? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> >> Pat Lockley >>>>>>> >> Sent: 16 September 2012 21:30 >>>>>>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers >>>>>>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 stuff >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Hello, >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Committed some new stuff into the 1.9 branch >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Have added a php / html module and made it just about work... >>>>>>> >> but some questions appear >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 1) Added a new file in management to add in new templates as a >>>>>>> >> folder traverse script, which is nice if you can ftp..... >>>>>>> >> 2) but what if you upload? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> (i'd be tempted to turn off the upload) >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 3) I now define the contents of originaltemplatedetails using >>>>>>> >> a text file (a la drupal et wordpress), seems neat, but it's >>>>>>> >> only my say >>>>>>> >> 4) Need to modularise export and publishing >>>>>>> >> 5) Problem with screen sizes - does the editor have to be >>>>>>> >> "xerte size", could it be generic? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I think with agreement on 2,3 and 5 it won't take long to do 4. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Once done, effectively toolkits is a modularised elearning >>>>>>> >> content CMS (if you want it to be). >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Thoughts / feedback welcome. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Pat >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>>>>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>>>>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the >>>>>>> >> addressee and may contain confidential information. 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Email communications >>>>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xerte-dev mailing list >>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Sep 24 11:02:41 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:02:41 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] how may new features? Message-ID: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 24 13:09:26 2012 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:09:26 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> Message-ID: I have added a couple of Xerte related comments but you appear to have a very good grasp of the changes that have taken place. Kind regards Johnathan On 24 September 2012 11:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: > Hi all > > in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're > all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. > > > > I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new > features etc so 2 questions... > > > > 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like > 200+ what would you say that figure is? > > Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release > time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be > brand new in 1.8! > > > > 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to > qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a > start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add > anything please check under each heading because some things may appear > under a different heading. > > > > http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures > > > > Cheers > > Ron > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > permitted by UK legislation. > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 24 13:12:22 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:12:22 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FF969@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> It does seem to cover most of the big bits I remember. David probably has some more insight about the robustification he carried out. I seem to remember that we dropped support for PHP4. We fixed hundreds of bugs. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: 24 September 2012 13:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? I have added a couple of Xerte related comments but you appear to have a very good grasp of the changes that have taken place. Kind regards Johnathan On 24 September 2012 11:02, Ron Mitchell > wrote: Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: 24 September 2012 13:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? I have added a couple of Xerte related comments but you appear to have a very good grasp of the changes that have taken place. Kind regards Johnathan On 24 September 2012 11:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 24 13:15:04 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:15:04 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: <007e01cd9a4e$5306bed0$f9143c70$@co.uk> References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> <007e01cd9a4e$5306bed0$f9143c70$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FF973@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Did you look through the svn logs? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 September 2012 13:16 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? Thanks Jonathan I'm hoping everyone on this dev list can check and add anything that's missing It would be good to put a reasonably accurate figure to the number of new features too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: 24 September 2012 13:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? I have added a couple of Xerte related comments but you appear to have a very good grasp of the changes that have taken place. Kind regards Johnathan On 24 September 2012 11:02, Ron Mitchell > wrote: Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Sep 24 13:20:06 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:20:06 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FF973@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> <007e01cd9a4e$5306bed0$f9143c70$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FF973@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <009501cd9a4e$efec74b0$cfc55e10$@co.uk> No but I can't really justify the time to look through code changes to see what the change achieved and a lot show as no log message! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 September 2012 13:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? Did you look through the svn logs? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 September 2012 13:16 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? Thanks Jonathan I'm hoping everyone on this dev list can check and add anything that's missing It would be good to put a reasonably accurate figure to the number of new features too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: 24 September 2012 13:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? I have added a couple of Xerte related comments but you appear to have a very good grasp of the changes that have taken place. Kind regards Johnathan On 24 September 2012 11:02, Ron Mitchell wrote: Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 24 13:19:14 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:19:14 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: <009501cd9a4e$efec74b0$cfc55e10$@co.uk> References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> <007e01cd9a4e$5306bed0$f9143c70$@co.uk> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FF973@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> <009501cd9a4e$efec74b0$cfc55e10$@co.uk> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FF97A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> I don't always write a comment, but that's because one isn't needed: I have tried to signpost most changes in the comments at some point though. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 September 2012 13:20 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? No but I can't really justify the time to look through code changes to see what the change achieved and a lot show as no log message! From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 September 2012 13:15 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? Did you look through the svn logs? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 September 2012 13:16 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? Thanks Jonathan I'm hoping everyone on this dev list can check and add anything that's missing It would be good to put a reasonably accurate figure to the number of new features too. Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan Sent: 24 September 2012 13:09 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? I have added a couple of Xerte related comments but you appear to have a very good grasp of the changes that have taken place. Kind regards Johnathan On 24 September 2012 11:02, Ron Mitchell > wrote: Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 24 14:37:39 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:37:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] INtroducing: Simon Atack Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Good people, Can I introduce Simon Atack to you all? Simon is a developer in my team here at Nottingham, he's been busy with some other stuff for a little while, but is now working on toolkits a little bit, particularly around integration with other tools using LTI. Simon has good skills in the PHP / systems side of things, please make him feel welcome! Simon is hitting the odd little issue and has questions you guys are much better equipped to answer than me, and has found a fixed a few LDAP related issues, it's probably a good idea that you're aware of what he's up to, Simon will be at our event next month, so you'll be able to get to know whim then, Thanks, Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com Mon Sep 24 14:56:17 2012 From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INtroducing: Simon Atack In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Simon.:-) From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:37:39 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] INtroducing: Simon Atack Good people, Can I introduce Simon Atack to you all? Simon is a developer in my team here at Nottingham, he?s been busy with some other stuff for a little while, but is now working on toolkits a little bit, particularly around integration with other tools using LTI. Simon has good skills in the PHP / systems side of things, please make him feel welcome! Simon is hitting the odd little issue and has questions you guys are much better equipped to answer than me, and has found a fixed a few LDAP related issues, it?s probably a good idea that you?re aware of what he?s up to, Simon will be at our event next month, so you?ll be able to get to know whim then, Thanks, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Simon has > good skills in the PHP / systems side of things, please make him feel > welcome! > > Simon is hitting the odd little issue and has questions you guys are > much better equipped to answer than me, and has found a fixed a few > LDAP related issues, it's probably a good idea that you're aware of > what he's up to, > > Simon will be at our event next month, so you'll be able to get to > know whim then, > > Thanks, > > Julian > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete > it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in > this message or in any attachment. 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URL: From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 24 15:01:40 2012 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:01:40 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INtroducing: Simon Atack In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: The more the merrier - welcome. Johnathan On 24 September 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney wrote: > Good people, > > > > Can I introduce Simon Atack to you all? Simon is a developer in my team > here at Nottingham, he?s been busy with some other stuff for a little > while, but is now working on toolkits a little bit, particularly around > integration with other tools using LTI. Simon has good skills in the PHP / > systems side of things, please make him feel welcome! > > > > Simon is hitting the odd little issue and has questions you guys are much > better equipped to answer than me, and has found a fixed a few LDAP related > issues, it?s probably a good idea that you?re aware of what he?s up to, > > > > Simon will be at our event next month, so you?ll be able to get to know > whim then, > > > > Thanks, > > > > Julian > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > permitted by UK legislation. > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do > not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Mon Sep 24 15:06:25 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:06:25 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: INtroducing: Simon Atack In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA26@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <002a01cd9a5d$c98c8d00$5ca5a700$@co.uk> Welcome Simon! Reading between the lines if this means you are working on LTI integration between XOT and the Moodle 'external tool' functionality I could see that being a very useful and popular extension to the way XOT gets used within organisations as well as between organisations? If you're already on this dev list you may have seen my link to a titanpad where I've been trying to collate a list of new features and recent developments. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures If you add anything new it would be good if you could list that in the titanpad too. One of the new features that I haven't added in that list is the database authentication option. The reason I haven't mentioned that is because it really needs the ability to add and manage accounts complete with encrypted passwords etc for it to be of use to people. Thomas previously raised some questions after looking at that so if you are working on this side of things it would be good to discuss if this can be extended to facilitate self-contained account creation and management etc. The two days on 10th and 11th should be really good - look forward to seeing everyone there! Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney Sent: 24 September 2012 14:38 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] INtroducing: Simon Atack Good people, Can I introduce Simon Atack to you all? Simon is a developer in my team here at Nottingham, he's been busy with some other stuff for a little while, but is now working on toolkits a little bit, particularly around integration with other tools using LTI. Simon has good skills in the PHP / systems side of things, please make him feel welcome! Simon is hitting the odd little issue and has questions you guys are much better equipped to answer than me, and has found a fixed a few LDAP related issues, it's probably a good idea that you're aware of what he's up to, Simon will be at our event next month, so you'll be able to get to know whim then, Thanks, Julian This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. 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Tom -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com Mon Sep 24 15:12:13 2012 From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:12:13 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Html escaping?? In-Reply-To: <5060694B.8020007@tor.nl> References: <5060694B.8020007@tor.nl> Message-ID: won't that mess with the URL though? On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: > This morning I had a nasty issue in the export module of Xerte Online > Toolkits. > > Someone had used the 'Link and icon' of bleedingImage, and the link > contained an '&' sign. > > The export code can't handle this at the moment (SimpleXML.load can't read > the resulting .xml) because the '&' is not escaped as '&'; > > Are there other places where we do escape input texts? Where? What is the > best plave to fix this (in xot or in the wizard)? > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and > may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any > attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do > not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Sep 24 15:13:55 2012 From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:13:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Html escaping?? In-Reply-To: References: <5060694B.8020007@tor.nl> Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA7A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> We already do some switching out of <> etc I the wizard when it write the xml so maybe there? If it's info the wizard is in charge of, It makes sense that the wizard makes sure it's writing good stuff out. -----Original Message----- From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley Sent: 24 September 2012 15:12 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Html escaping?? won't that mess with the URL though? On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: > This morning I had a nasty issue in the export module of Xerte Online > Toolkits. > > Someone had used the 'Link and icon' of bleedingImage, and the link > contained an '&' sign. > > The export code can't handle this at the moment (SimpleXML.load can't > read the resulting .xml) because the '&' is not escaped as '&'; > > Are there other places where we do escape input texts? Where? What is > the best plave to fix this (in xot or in the wizard)? > > Tom > > -- > -- > > Tom Reijnders > TOR Informatica > Chopinlaan 27 > 5242HM Rosmalen > Tel: 073 5226191 > Fax: 073 5226196 > > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in > error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not > use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in > any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this > email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with > the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > _______________________________________________ Xerte-dev mailing list Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev From david at palepurple.co.uk Mon Sep 24 15:15:09 2012 From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:15:09 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Html escaping?? In-Reply-To: References: <5060694B.8020007@tor.nl> Message-ID: rss.php contains a function called _html_escape(?) which should be sufficient for the job. David. On 24 Sep 2012, at 15:12, Pat Lockley wrote: > won't that mess with the URL though? > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> This morning I had a nasty issue in the export module of Xerte Online >> Toolkits. >> >> Someone had used the 'Link and icon' of bleedingImage, and the link >> contained an '&' sign. >> >> The export code can't handle this at the moment (SimpleXML.load can't read >> the resulting .xml) because the '&' is not escaped as '&'; >> >> Are there other places where we do escape input texts? Where? What is the >> best plave to fix this (in xot or in the wizard)? >> >> Tom >> Pale Purple Ltd. (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP' http://www.palepurple.co.uk Office: 0845 0046746 Mobile: 07792380669 Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd From reijnders at tor.nl Mon Sep 24 15:57:33 2012 From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:57:33 +0200 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Html escaping?? In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA7A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> References: <5060694B.8020007@tor.nl> <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0C3E0FFA7A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <506074DD.6050307@tor.nl> Found it. Seems most appropriate to do it in the wizard then. I'll test it. Tom Op 24-9-2012 16:13, Julian Tenney schreef: > We already do some switching out of <> etc I the wizard when it write the xml so maybe there? If it's info the wizard is in charge of, It makes sense that the wizard makes sure it's writing good stuff out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley > Sent: 24 September 2012 15:12 > To: For Xerte technical developers > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Html escaping?? > > won't that mess with the URL though? > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Tom Reijnders wrote: >> This morning I had a nasty issue in the export module of Xerte Online >> Toolkits. >> >> Someone had used the 'Link and icon' of bleedingImage, and the link >> contained an '&' sign. >> >> The export code can't handle this at the moment (SimpleXML.load can't >> read the resulting .xml) because the '&' is not escaped as '&'; >> >> Are there other places where we do escape input texts? Where? What is >> the best plave to fix this (in xot or in the wizard)? >> >> Tom >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Tom Reijnders >> TOR Informatica >> Chopinlaan 27 >> 5242HM Rosmalen >> Tel: 073 5226191 >> Fax: 073 5226196 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xerte-dev mailing list >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not >> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in >> any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this >> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. >> > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Xerte-dev mailing list > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev -- -- Tom Reijnders TOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM Rosmalen Tel: 073 5226191 Fax: 073 5226196 From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 26 09:58:32 2012 From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:58:32 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Eventbrite tickets for the forthcoming Xerte conference - relevant to those attending both days Message-ID: Maybe I am a bit slow this morning, but I thought it might be useful anyway to warn those attending both days of a possible "gotcha". This is the first time I have used the Eventbrite system, so was a little surprised when it generated two emails for me to download my ticket. Both emails were identical. The file name for the pdf file that each linked to was the same. However the pdf content of the two files was different since each pdf represented a ticket for one of the two days. So if you are attending both days it looks like you will need to print out both pdfs, so you may want to avoid overwriting the first pdf when you download the second. Kind regards Johnathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk Wed Sep 26 10:17:59 2012 From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:17:59 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> Message-ID: Ron On your list you have 'HTML 5 playback of XOT LO's' but this isn't in 1.8 yet. It should be added at some point in the next couple of months - is your list about up and coming features too? I don't want people to think if they install 1.8 now the Xenith stuff will be in there. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 September 2012 11:03 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Cc: Alistair.McNaught at HEACADEMY.AC.UK Subject: [Xerte-dev] how may new features? Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk Wed Sep 26 10:34:55 2012 From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:34:55 +0100 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? In-Reply-To: References: <004501cd9a3b$bd883260$38989720$@co.uk> Message-ID: <003101cd9bca$30d8dc30$928a9490$@co.uk> Hi Fay that's a good point sorry I've moved that bit under What next now e.g. What's next... Xenith HTML 5 playback of XOT LO's 1.9 already underway - new additions by Pat Lockley But I put this together partly in prep for the event on the 10th and it may well be just an extract that we share during or after the event. That said there will be an even greater hunger to explore what will be available from your Xenith developments after the event and one thing we did wonder about is whether there would be anything we could add to the XOT 1.8 test install for on or shortly after the 10th to gather feedback etc? Cheers Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross Sent: 26 September 2012 10:18 To: For Xerte technical developers Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: how may new features? Ron On your list you have 'HTML 5 playback of XOT LO's' but this isn't in 1.8 yet. It should be added at some point in the next couple of months - is your list about up and coming features too? I don't want people to think if they install 1.8 now the Xenith stuff will be in there. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell Sent: 24 September 2012 11:03 To: 'For Xerte technical developers' Cc: Alistair.McNaught at HEACADEMY.AC.UK Subject: [Xerte-dev] how may new features? Hi all in prep for the event on the 10th Oct I've been thinking about what we're all covering/presenting on the day and also testing a few things. I think it would be good to have an official figure and list regarding new features etc so 2 questions... 1. If we were to list a figure for new features even if it's a figure like 200+ what would you say that figure is? Remembering that a lot of people only install from the zips around release time so there are features that we've known from 1.7 that to some will be brand new in 1.8! 2. More importantly can we list everything new as a definitive list and to qualify the 200+ statement? Let's not reply here via the list - I've made a start via a titanpad that we can all add to and amend. Before you add anything please check under each heading because some things may appear under a different heading. http://titanpad.com/xertenewfeatures Cheers Ron This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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