[Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Fri Nov 2 09:57:09 GMT 2012

inheritance is good purely for over riding things / making slight changes
better

so say you wanted a model to differ ever so slightly, that'd be a trivial
change

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Pat Lockley
<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>wrote:

> i think that was more second life, hows that going ;)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>> And I wondered why you were always moaning when you worked here J****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
>> *Sent:* 02 November 2012 09:21
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I empathise.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> When we wrote XOT there was no distinct plan to open source it - so I
>> wrote it to work for Nottingham. Then - boom - a whole world of change. All
>> the stuff about urls and custom htaccess is an open source thing. And
>> people asking why we never did x or y or z
>>
>> On 2 Nov 2012, at 09:09, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:***
>> *
>>
>> I wish I’d done it like this to begin with as I get why it would be
>> better.  Not entirely sure I get how to do it well enough to change stuff
>> quickly though.  I’ll spend some time today looking into it and trying
>> stuff out.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
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>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
>> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
>> *Sent:* 02 November 2012 00:08
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I've only ever scoped in plugins for mozilla (they care), but anything
>> that modularises makes sense. Scope seems to be part of this (the php needs
>> it too).****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I don't have a preferred approach, or a say, as I am not coding this****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:*
>> ***
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm just reading all these emails properly just now and I agree that
>> something has to be done to protect scope. Fay has done a great job
>> creating xenith and all these models and it's the quality of the codebase,
>> how well the whole thing works and meeting all you guys that has made me
>> want to get involved so heavily. But now i'm begining to see areas which
>> could cause problems with scope. Especially now that I've created a few
>> models that use JSONP requests. These work by Padding JSON objects inside a
>> callback function and loading it straight into a <script> tag in the
>> <head>, so all in global scope, as do all the model declarations...
>>
>> But while each of the different ways you guys have mentioned of achieving
>> this has their merits, I would definitely recommend that we consider the
>> Yahoo JavaScript Module Pattern. This is used by many experienced
>> JavaScript programmers and gives us private and public variables and
>> methods. I would definitely recommend that any interested in developing the
>> xenith code read a GREAT article about it here
>> http://www.adequatelygood.com/2010/3/JavaScript-Module-Pattern-In-Depth
>>
>> I think in for Xenith, this module pattern will allow us to do some great
>> things:
>>
>> Protect xenith variables and methods
>> Augmentation (Loose or Tight) to split up Xenith for manageability
>> Sub-modules - this is where I see the page models sitting
>>
>> So we'll have something like
>>
>> var XENITH = (function (my) {
>>         // code and stuff here
>> }(XENITH));
>>
>> Then the models are added like this
>>
>> XENITH.summary = (function () {
>>
>> }());
>>
>> XENITH.table = (function () {
>>
>> }());
>>
>> XENITH.rss = (function () {
>>
>> }());
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> Obviously it will be a lot of work to port Fay's code over and to be
>> perfectly honest with you i've only used this a few times and NEVER on a
>> project of this scale this but I definitely think it will benefit the
>> project to do this early on because as more models are added and multiple
>> pages of the same type are added to projects I anticipate there being
>> conflicts that we might struggle to work around.
>>
>> What does everyone thing? Have any of you seen this before?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
>> Glasgow Caledonian University
>> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross [
>> Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk]
>> Sent: 31 October 2012 10:14
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>> No I don't mind
>>
>> (adds another thing to never ending to do list...)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> Sent: 31 October 2012 10:13
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>> not to nag, happy to help - it's just a nice standard to adopt so in
>> theory stuff doesn't break.
>>
>> Of course all of the code I wrote in XOT is class based *disappears*
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, I realised as soon as I sent it I misread it.
>> >
>> > It's not all like that (probably should have done so).  Any functions
>> in them are (e.g. every page has a pageChanged function that's called when
>> the page is moved back to e.g. accNav.pageChanged()) but the code run when
>> first set up isn't.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> > Lockley
>> > Sent: 31 October 2012 10:04
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>> >
>> > cross wires (maybe)
>> >
>> > With firefox plugins they force all javascript functions to be inside
>> > a JS object so
>> >
>> > var model = new Object{
>> >
>> > modelload:function(){
>> >
>> > dostuff();
>> >
>> > }
>> >
>> > }
>> >
>> > so there are no scope conflicts?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >> Yes, there's a model folder like in the flash version
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> >> Lockley
>> >> Sent: 31 October 2012 10:01
>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>> >>
>> >> is each page model js within it's own object?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Hi John
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for sending these.  I'll get them on my test version and try
>> them out.
>> >>>
>> >>> Apologies if me changing some of the way the main files work last
>> week has messed you about at all.  I changed it so that all the main
>> elements, variables, functions etc. that we don't want to be messed around
>> with on accident by naming something the same in a page model now begin
>> with 'x_'.  It looks like you've used this version in making these models
>> so hopefully it didn't affect you too much.  I wouldn't have thought
>> there'd be anything else big changing in the xenith.js file now that would
>> mean changing all the model pages.
>> >>>
>> >>> You mentioned that you might look at the connector pages at some
>> point.  From talking to Johnathan who wrote the original Flash versions
>> they all have some common functions in them (e.g. functions that find the
>> page with the correct page id).  As the same code will be used in several
>> page models then the best place for this is probably the xenith.js file so
>> we're not repeating the same code in multiple page model files.  I'm happy
>> for you to add anything in there that's needed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks again for the work you've done so far - I certainly didn't
>> expect that a couple of weeks after the AGM someone who hadn't contributed
>> anything before would have got involved so quickly!
>> >>>
>> >>> Fay
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>> >>> Smith, John
>> >>> Sent: 30 October 2012 19:44
>> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Fay,
>> >>>
>> >>> That makes sense now. I've attached the delicious.html and the
>> youtuberss.html models for now while I work on the textDrawing.html and
>> youtube.html ones, I hope they get your approval, given the quality of the
>> rest of your code...
>> >>>
>> >>> A caveat is that the delicious.html one doesn't actually work but
>> that's because the JSON API tag feed appears to be broken. According to
>> their dev pages here (http://delicious.com/developers#title1), this url
>> should return a JSONP object of the first 10 search results for 'cuillin',
>> wrapped in test():
>> >>>
>> >>> http://feeds.delicious.com/v2/json/tag/cuillin?callback=test&count=1
>> >>> 0
>> >>>
>> >>> Now it was working yesterday but just died today and now only
>> returns: test([]) for any tag... strange. Have tried contacting them but
>> still no reply. Commit it anyway and when it starts working again I'll fix
>> any errors that crop up. I've still not checked out any of the other
>> options although i've included an equivalent if else statement to that in
>> the equivalent rlm. Will test these also when I get access to a more
>> comprehensive data.xml file...
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>> >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>> >>> ________________________________________
>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
>> >>> [Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk]
>> >>> Sent: 30 October 2012 09:48
>> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>> >>>
>> >>> You're right, the Html5 stuff really needs to be in the other svn. I
>> think I was just reluctant to do this before as I didn't want a new
>> Toolkits zip to be made which included it until there was a way to properly
>> access the html5 versions of projects.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for looking at some of the outstanding pages that need doing,
>> that's really useful, could you send them to me please if you can't commit
>> them.
>> >>> ________________________________________
>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>> >>> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
>> >>> Sent: 29 October 2012 16:49
>> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I know I'm new here but personally I think that JSON export would at
>> >>> least be as useful if not more useful as XML, especially when
>> >>> working in a JavaScript environment like the HTML5 engine. (see next
>> >>> part)
>> >>>
>> >>> Incidentally, not sure if I only have commit access to XOT since
>> XERTE desktop is being treated as almost dead in the water but the Xenith
>> code i'm working on is part of the XERTE trunk, not XOT. My interest is
>> just now is getting the HTML5 engine mature enough to use in anger. Over
>> the weekend i've done the following HTML5 engine models:
>> >>>
>> >>>      delicious (95% ready) - had to use JSONP request because of same
>> origin policy
>> >>>      youtuberss (95% ready) - have use new JSONC request
>> >>>      textDrawing (<50%) - don't have a sufficient test file for this
>> model and the XOT Jisc site won't save the image or let me add pictures
>> just now... need to get XOT installed locally or use usb version
>> temporarily (anyone help out with a test XML stub for this model??) Oh and
>> the screenshot shows the freehand done using pixel <divs> for non canvas
>> compatibility
>> >>>      youtube (~80% ready) - just a guess as only a few sizing issues
>> >>>
>> >>> Attached some screenshots for those who want to see.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'ml definitely interested in working on the connector pages soon
>> though and tying this altogether as we want a "mobile" compatible (read
>> iPad) RLO repository of some fashion by the end of the academic year.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>> >>> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
>> >>> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>> >>> ________________________________________
>> >>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> >>> [patrick.lockley at googlemail.com]
>> >>> Sent: 29 October 2012 13:25
>> >>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, would JSON export be more useful / as useful as XML export?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pat Lockley <
>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> WordPress has a theme supports function, so I am thinking of having
>> >>>> a list to indicate the tabs per template, or something similar
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Ron Mitchell <
>> ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>> 1, 2 & 3
>> >>>>> Personally I don't think it's a necessity that the same tabs exist
>> >>>>> for all templates but I suspect it's easier to just display a
>> >>>>> message like 'This property is not relevant to this template' than
>> >>>>> it is to change the code to dynamically change tabs based on the
>> template in use.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 4
>> >>>>> Increase the properties window size and display 'This property is
>> >>>>> not relevant to this template' for Xerte templates?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Just my quick thoughts...
>> >>>>> Ron
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> >>>>> Lockley
>> >>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 12:48
>> >>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 properties
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On the properties panel there are several options which are sort
>> >>>>> of xerte specific - XML and media and quota for example.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Some of the new templates aren't XML, so XML makes no sense - and
>> >>>>> the media and quota code is very xerte specific.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Would people think
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1) all off these options should exist for all templates?
>> >>>>> 2) should tabs exist even if the functionality doesn't?
>> >>>>> 3) what sort of message should it say
>> >>>>> 4) what if I have scope for an extra tab?
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