[Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

[Tom Reijnders]

I'll have a look a.s.a.p.

Op 10-5-2012 11:26, Ron Mitchell schreef:
> Not sure why it isn't working Tom but it isn't and all the code from the svn
> is definitely in place.
>
> Anything I can look for to see why it's not working? It's simply not
> including the language folder at all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
> Sent: 10 May 2012 10:17
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
> export SHOULD include language folder and files now. (committed that last
> week)
>
> Op 10-5-2012 11:09, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>>> and there's still a bit to do<
>> On that note I checked the XOT svn last night and there were no new
>> files but just in case I re-uploaded all the latest code to the test
>> server overwriting what was there with the exception of config.php and
> index.php.
>> I'll update some notes in the Google doc later but a few quick points:
>>
>> deleting unused media not working
>>
>> export not including language folder and files
>>
>> I know the language functionality is still under development but just
>> a note that using either guest or moodle integration the language
>> selection menu doesn't show e.g. only shows on login page not when
>> auto logged in. Perhaps it should always be available?
>>
>> Are all the latest rlm's from Xerte also in the XOT svn? Not sure they
> are.
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>> Tenney
>> Sent: 10 May 2012 09:16
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>> Let's leave it for now. Priority now is getting the release done, and
>> there's still a bit to do, ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> [patrick.lockley at googlemail.com]
>> Sent: 09 May 2012 20:53
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>> Well you could do it on page title?
>>
>> if(startpage){
>>
>> Cover LO while LO loads
>> move to startpage
>> uncover LO
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Ron Mitchell<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> firstly yes I always encourage people to think granular and not build
>>> one big LO but sometimes original plans change and even with a
>>> relatively small LO linking to a specific page can be very useful.
>>>
>>> It obviously hasn't ever been available in XOT but for me the
>>> simplest would be if authors could simply append something
>>> like&page=5  or just #page=5 to link to page 5. e.g. similar to what
>>> you can do with pdf's
>>> http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=5
>>>
>>> Before anyone says "that's not reliable what happens when pages are
>>> moved around" it's no different to other self-authored resources -
>>> the author would know the implications of that and re-send or update
>>> the deep link if pages are re-ordered and in most cases would only be
>>> sending deep links to established resources unlikely to change or
>>> when the deep link is an individualised point inWel time reference
>>> rather than needing to be a permalink etc.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>> Lockley
>>> Sent: 09 May 2012 20:05
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>> i can't recall where the deep link is shown? how does a teacher find it?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Dave Burnett<d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> One objection:
>>>> Your deep linking examples "moodle resources, pages with websites,
>>>> specific blog posts etc" are support materials correct?
>>>>
>>>> So in the flow of a coherent LO, you can pop up some backup or
>>>> exploratory material.
>>>> They generally aren't "Abandon the current learning object, jump to
>>>> this blog post and continue the lesson from there".
>>>>
>>>> I see the use of being able to send a link via email.
>>>> As you say, it's all in context. The needs hierarchy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>>
>>>> I demonstrated the online copy of the test file today as an example
>>>> of possible features of the upcoming 1.8 release and as expected
>>>> delegates thought it very useful. In my experience it's something
>>>> people have wanted for a long time e.g. they often use deep linking
>>>> to moodle resources, pages with websites, specific blog posts etc
>>>> and particularly in an FE and ACL context and have often voiced
>>>> frustration at not being able to do so with Xerte LO's. There are
>>>> limitations in having to say "follow this link to the first page of
>>>> this LO and then navigate to page x" especially in areas such a SFL
>>>> etc. The ability to send a direct link via email or to add a link in
>>>> another resource to a page within an LO would be very useful in many
>>>> cases - if it's possible and reliable. It's not a game changer but
>>>> useful
>>> on the occasions where it might be used for a particular reason e.g.
>>>> differentiation and for instance if you take the 560 example
>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 there are many
>>>> occasions where it would be useful to link to a specific page when
>>>> providing CPD support etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if it's unreliable or likely to delay the release then in that
>>>> context it's not so important but if it can be made to work in a
>>>> satisfactory way then I can see it being a very useful including the
>>>> ability to link to new page types within an updated 560 example when
>>>> highlighting what's new in 1.8.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave
>>>> Burnett
>>>> Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08
>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Always value in pure research, but just to be a negative Nellie,
>>>> I've real doubts about a feature like this actually being used, even
>>>> if the technical issues are addressed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Authorware had "jumpfile", which seamlessly segued between files.
>>>>
>>>> It was used if you had a router style architecture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't remember anyone asking for the ability to jump to a specific page.
>>>>
>>>> That sounds like a glossary or definition type structure requirement
>>>> and there's easier ways to accomplish those.
>>>>
>>>> And without the ability to return to the same place in the calling
>>>> module (Call and Return), I don't see huge numbers of folks using it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But like I said, futzing around is a great way to stumble across
>>>> other nuggets.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100
>>>> From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
>>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>>
>>>> According to my Xerte desktop installation it generates a linkID and
>>>> not a pageID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> phew you had me worried there for a minute :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know you have referred to "deep linking" before but I was never
>>>> sure what you meant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The idea here was to create a link using a value known to the
>>>> learning object author.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was just an experiment. Maybe if it works without the delay in
>>>> XOT then it would be more acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can shorten the delay in Xerte but in the absence of a means of
>>>> knowing when the page array has been fully populated it will always
>>>> be guess work as to how short the delay can be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Johnathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>> No, the wizard automatically produces a pageID in the xml - you'll
>>>> have seen it I'm sure. The intention for this was to facilitate deep
>>> linking, i.e.
>>>> ?pageID=321234524
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But when Pat and I tried to get it to work nicely we couldn't and
>>>> parked
>>> it.
>>>> It may well be we hit the same issue you have hit: the need for the
>>>> delay, which I don't think is acceptable to the end user.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>>>> Johnathan
>>>> Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The javascript routine used matches a name to data, so you could
>>>> just as easily use ?name=titlePage as you could ?pageID=titlePage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem with using name is that the page name is more likely to
>>>> be "Title Page" and the use of spaces might cause a problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was never intended that this should be an alternative routing
>>>> internally within a learning object to another page in that learning
>>>> object. It was only intended to be a means of opening a different
>>>> learning object, which you can do already using a URL. The only
>>>> difference here was that someone on one of the postings was
>>>> lamenting the inability to open a new learning object at a specific
> page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The version for XOT would have to use the extXML which, from memory,
>>>> did not suffer the need for a delay before it could be used. But I
>>>> am quite happy to leave it out of this release as once people were
>>>> happy it would work OK then it could be added later.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need a little time to finish the XOT demo version anyway and right
>>>> now I am focusing on an update to the scenario page to make it
>>>> easier to implement scenarios like the Farmer, the Goose, the Fox
>>>> and the Bag of Grain on one side of the river.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Johnathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>> The need for that delay may well be why we decided to leave it last
> time.
>>>> It's disorienting to see the page for that long and then suddenly be
>>>> moved on. Let's leave this for another time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>>>> Johnathan
>>>> Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The delay is because I have had to put a timer in to give Xerte the
>>>> time to build the rootIcon.pages array - it's a bit of guess work as
>>>> to how long I need to give it. It would be nice if the onInit event
>>>> didn't fire until the array had completed being built, then I could
>>>> remove the timer and the delay would be reduced to the minimum required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In XOT you use a different array so I think the time delay will be
>>>> insignificant as if I recall correctly the array was already fully
>>>> available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll run some further tests in XOT now that I have the javascript
>>>> sorted out and then post something for you to try out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Johnathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Working fine here too
>>>> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu
>>>>
>>>> Win 7 64bit
>>>>
>>>> IE 8.0
>>>>
>>>> Chrome 18.0
>>>>
>>>> Safari 5.1.5
>>>>
>>>> Opera 10.60
>>>>
>>>> Firefox 12.0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great job Jonathan this will be a very popular feature.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>> Reijnders
>>>> Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Working fine here (although with a noticeable lag, first page is
>>>> shown and after 1 second the menu page is opened)
>>>>
>>>> Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome 18
>>>>
>>>> Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been working (between beta version stuff) on a means of
>>>> making it possible to open a Xerte project at a specific page,
>>>> rather than always have them open at the title page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attached is a simple 3 page desktop Xerte project as a proof of concept.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do not open it in Xerte (at least until you have finished testing
>>>> it!) If you publish the project, in Xerte, your local copy of
>>>> rloObject.js will overwrite the one in the project and the code that
>>>> supports the redirection will be lost.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would you mind unzipping it and then opening index.htm in a web
>>>> browser - not Xerte.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For it to work you will need to set up the folder in which you place
>>>> it as a trusted location in the Flash player settings (otherwise
>>>> javascript calls will not work).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It should open at a title page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then add to the url in your browser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?pageID=menu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and press enter to reload the page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After a short delay the project should redirect from the title page
>>>> to the menu page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have tested this in Firefox, IE8, and Opera.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has other browsers at their disposal I would be keen to
>>>> know if the redirection works. e.g. Chrome, Safari,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Should you examine the project the key stuff that makes it work is a
>>>> function at the end of rlsObject.js and some code running off the
>>>> onInitHandler interaction in the entry frame. Because
>>>> rootIcon.pages.length has not finished being built when the onInit
>>>> event fires I have added a timer to create a delay to allow time for
>>>> the array to be built - hence the delay before redirection takes place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Should this prove reliable in your testing I believe the same
>>>> approach should be applicable to XOT (albeit using a different array
>>>> to source the page information)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Johnathan
>>>>
>>>>
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