[Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

Thu May 10 10:17:04 BST 2012

export SHOULD include language folder and files now. (committed that 
last week)

Op 10-5-2012 11:09, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>> and there's still a bit to do<
> On that note I checked the XOT svn last night and there were no new files
> but just in case I re-uploaded all the latest code to the test server
> overwriting what was there with the exception of config.php and index.php.
>
> I'll update some notes in the Google doc later but a few quick points:
>
> deleting unused media not working
>
> export not including language folder and files
>
> I know the language functionality is still under development but just a note
> that using either guest or moodle integration the language selection menu
> doesn't show e.g. only shows on login page not when auto logged in. Perhaps
> it should always be available?
>
> Are all the latest rlm's from Xerte also in the XOT svn? Not sure they are.
>
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 10 May 2012 09:16
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
> Let's leave it for now. Priority now is getting the release done, and
> there's still a bit to do, ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> [patrick.lockley at googlemail.com]
> Sent: 09 May 2012 20:53
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
> Well you could do it on page title?
>
> if(startpage){
>
> Cover LO while LO loads
> move to startpage
> uncover LO
>
> }
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Ron Mitchell<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> firstly yes I always encourage people to think granular and not build
>> one big LO but sometimes original plans change and even with a
>> relatively small LO linking to a specific page can be very useful.
>>
>> It obviously hasn't ever been available in XOT but for me the simplest
>> would be if authors could simply append something like&page=5  or
>> just #page=5 to link to page 5. e.g. similar to what you can do with
>> pdf's
>> http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=5
>>
>> Before anyone says "that's not reliable what happens when pages are
>> moved around" it's no different to other self-authored resources - the
>> author would know the implications of that and re-send or update the
>> deep link if pages are re-ordered and in most cases would only be
>> sending deep links to established resources unlikely to change or when
>> the deep link is an individualised point inWel time reference rather
>> than needing to be a permalink etc.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> Lockley
>> Sent: 09 May 2012 20:05
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>> i can't recall where the deep link is shown? how does a teacher find it?
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Dave Burnett<d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> One objection:
>>> Your deep linking examples "moodle resources, pages with websites,
>>> specific blog posts etc" are support materials correct?
>>>
>>> So in the flow of a coherent LO, you can pop up some backup or
>>> exploratory material.
>>> They generally aren't "Abandon the current learning object, jump to
>>> this blog post and continue the lesson from there".
>>>
>>> I see the use of being able to send a link via email.
>>> As you say, it's all in context. The needs hierarchy. :-)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100
>>>
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>> I demonstrated the online copy of the test file today as an example
>>> of possible features of the upcoming 1.8 release and as expected
>>> delegates thought it very useful. In my experience it's something
>>> people have wanted for a long time e.g. they often use deep linking
>>> to moodle resources, pages with websites, specific blog posts etc and
>>> particularly in an FE and ACL context and have often voiced
>>> frustration at not being able to do so with Xerte LO's. There are
>>> limitations in having to say "follow this link to the first page of
>>> this LO and then navigate to page x" especially in areas such a SFL
>>> etc. The ability to send a direct link via email or to add a link in
>>> another resource to a page within an LO would be very useful in many
>>> cases - if it's possible and reliable. It's not a game changer but
>>> useful
>> on the occasions where it might be used for a particular reason e.g.
>>> differentiation and for instance if you take the 560 example
>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 there are many
>>> occasions where it would be useful to link to a specific page when
>>> providing CPD support etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So if it's unreliable or likely to delay the release then in that
>>> context it's not so important but if it can be made to work in a
>>> satisfactory way then I can see it being a very useful including the
>>> ability to link to new page types within an updated 560 example when
>>> highlighting what's new in 1.8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave
>>> Burnett
>>> Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08
>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Always value in pure research, but just to be a negative Nellie, I've
>>> real doubts about a feature like this actually being used, even if
>>> the technical issues are addressed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Authorware had "jumpfile", which seamlessly segued between files.
>>>
>>> It was used if you had a router style architecture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't remember anyone asking for the ability to jump to a specific page.
>>>
>>> That sounds like a glossary or definition type structure requirement
>>> and there's easier ways to accomplish those.
>>>
>>> And without the ability to return to the same place in the calling
>>> module (Call and Return), I don't see huge numbers of folks using it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But like I said, futzing around is a great way to stumble across
>>> other nuggets.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100
>>> From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
>>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>> According to my Xerte desktop installation it generates a linkID and
>>> not a pageID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> phew you had me worried there for a minute :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know you have referred to "deep linking" before but I was never
>>> sure what you meant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The idea here was to create a link using a value known to the
>>> learning object author.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was just an experiment. Maybe if it works without the delay in XOT
>>> then it would be more acceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can shorten the delay in Xerte but in the absence of a means of
>>> knowing when the page array has been fully populated it will always
>>> be guess work as to how short the delay can be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>> No, the wizard automatically produces a pageID in the xml - you'll
>>> have seen it I'm sure. The intention for this was to facilitate deep
>> linking, i.e.
>>> ?pageID=321234524
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But when Pat and I tried to get it to work nicely we couldn't and
>>> parked
>> it.
>>> It may well be we hit the same issue you have hit: the need for the
>>> delay, which I don't think is acceptable to the end user.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>>> Johnathan
>>> Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54
>>>
>>>
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The javascript routine used matches a name to data, so you could just
>>> as easily use ?name=titlePage as you could ?pageID=titlePage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem with using name is that the page name is more likely to
>>> be "Title Page" and the use of spaces might cause a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was never intended that this should be an alternative routing
>>> internally within a learning object to another page in that learning
>>> object. It was only intended to be a means of opening a different
>>> learning object, which you can do already using a URL. The only
>>> difference here was that someone on one of the postings was lamenting
>>> the inability to open a new learning object at a specific page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The version for XOT would have to use the extXML which, from memory,
>>> did not suffer the need for a delay before it could be used. But I am
>>> quite happy to leave it out of this release as once people were happy
>>> it would work OK then it could be added later.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need a little time to finish the XOT demo version anyway and right
>>> now I am focusing on an update to the scenario page to make it easier
>>> to implement scenarios like the Farmer, the Goose, the Fox and the
>>> Bag of Grain on one side of the river.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>> The need for that delay may well be why we decided to leave it last time.
>>> It's disorienting to see the page for that long and then suddenly be
>>> moved on. Let's leave this for another time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>>> Johnathan
>>> Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17
>>>
>>>
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The delay is because I have had to put a timer in to give Xerte the
>>> time to build the rootIcon.pages array - it's a bit of guess work as
>>> to how long I need to give it. It would be nice if the onInit event
>>> didn't fire until the array had completed being built, then I could
>>> remove the timer and the delay would be reduced to the minimum required.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In XOT you use a different array so I think the time delay will be
>>> insignificant as if I recall correctly the array was already fully
>>> available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll run some further tests in XOT now that I have the javascript
>>> sorted out and then post something for you to try out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Working fine here too
>>> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu
>>>
>>> Win 7 64bit
>>>
>>> IE 8.0
>>>
>>> Chrome 18.0
>>>
>>> Safari 5.1.5
>>>
>>> Opera 10.60
>>>
>>> Firefox 12.0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great job Jonathan this will be a very popular feature.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>>> Reijnders
>>> Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Working fine here (although with a noticeable lag, first page is
>>> shown and after 1 second the menu page is opened)
>>>
>>> Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome 18
>>>
>>> Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been working (between beta version stuff) on a means of making
>>> it possible to open a Xerte project at a specific page, rather than
>>> always have them open at the title page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attached is a simple 3 page desktop Xerte project as a proof of concept.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do not open it in Xerte (at least until you have finished testing
>>> it!) If you publish the project, in Xerte, your local copy of
>>> rloObject.js will overwrite the one in the project and the code that
>>> supports the redirection will be lost.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you mind unzipping it and then opening index.htm in a web
>>> browser - not Xerte.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For it to work you will need to set up the folder in which you place
>>> it as a trusted location in the Flash player settings (otherwise
>>> javascript calls will not work).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It should open at a title page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then add to the url in your browser
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?pageID=menu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and press enter to reload the page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After a short delay the project should redirect from the title page
>>> to the menu page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have tested this in Firefox, IE8, and Opera.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone has other browsers at their disposal I would be keen to
>>> know if the redirection works. e.g. Chrome, Safari,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Should you examine the project the key stuff that makes it work is a
>>> function at the end of rlsObject.js and some code running off the
>>> onInitHandler interaction in the entry frame. Because
>>> rootIcon.pages.length has not finished being built when the onInit
>>> event fires I have added a timer to create a delay to allow time for
>>> the array to be built - hence the delay before redirection takes place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Should this prove reliable in your testing I believe the same
>>> approach should be applicable to XOT (albeit using a different array
>>> to source the page information)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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