[Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Wed May 2 15:43:13 BST 2012

I'm sure you would rather identify the exact cause/solution/difference but
just thinking a reliable solution appears to be to set scrolling to 1 rather
than auto in this particular case. Whereas normally I would say the last
thing we want to do is to force scrollbars where they're not needed in this
case because most of the time there will be enough results to display scroll
bars anyway and also because of the mix of thumbs and text the aesthetics
aren't spoiled by the scrollbar is setting it to 1 a suitable solution?

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 May 2012 15:32
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Ok possibly getting closer...

with the .rlt open and hitting play...

with scrolling off - problem gone

with scrolling 1 - problem gone

with scrolling auto - problem exists!

Adding a script icon on it's own or attached to a button after feedText in
the rlm and adding

feedTextIcon.scrollBar.removeMovieClip()

delete feedTextIcon.scrollBar;

doesn't resolve the problem - doesn't do anything.

BTW now that the selected video pops up in a new window would it be better
to set the height of the instruction text box to something like 470?

HTH

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 May 2012 14:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Can you try a couple of things.

- turn scrolling off (delete the property) on the feedText icon in
youtuberss.rlm ? //if the icon is screwing this up, this should stop any
scrolling at all

- put it back on, turn it to 1? //this will add scroll bars whatever the
size of the feed text is returned, just curious if it makes any odds.

If those fail we need to debug it from within the engine and see what's
going on: I want to know if it's getting added twice (which I don't think it
is). You could try customising the page and adding abutton to the
youtuberss.rlm file so you could do things like:

//try and kill it.

feedTextIcon.scrollBar.removeMovieClip()

delete feedTextIcon.scrollBar;

//then try this on another button and see if it puts it back properly. If we
can tie it down to the scroller in the text icon that would be a start.

feedTextIcon.enableScroll(true);

Does it happen on any other scrollable text fields? Maybe create one
somewhere and see if that also screws up?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 May 2012 14:13
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Just updated the engine, cleared cache in both IE and Safari but same
problem exists.

Presumably you've seen the posts to the xerteforteachers list confirming
that others get this too?

My Flash player = 11.2.202.233

Reported by Adam on teachers list

Windows 7 

Chrome

Flash: 11.2.202.235

Reported by Shirley on teachers list

Yes I see it in IE 8 and in FF 8.0.1 I get a blank page, cannot see videos
at all.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 May 2012 13:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

This has got to be an engine problem: it looks like the Flash Component that
provides scrolling, but before it's been properly initialised and moved /
sized to the right place.

What version of the flash player have you got?

Have you got the latest engine on the web site? I just committed a latest
one to the root of the toolkits svn.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 May 2012 11:31
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Both the Nottingham.rlt and lastest youtuberss.rlm are now in place but no
difference.

Also just to clarify I get this on my laptop consistently Win7 IE8, Safari,
Firefox, Chrome but I don't get it on my Win7 desktop. But also although I
was aware of this it was a delegate on the last Xerte Friday who raised the
issue which was then forwarded by Alistair. Unfortunately nobody else on
this list has indicated whether they see the problem or not but let's open
this out - I'll send the link to the other lists
http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=55

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 May 2012 11:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Ahh. Maybe it's the code trying to clean up the old youtube player still in
the rlt. I just got rid of all the old YT code in there, can you try the
freshly commited Nottingham.rlt? I also stripped some stuff out of one of
the YT pages.

Still not sure why it was always failing for you / never failing for me.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 May 2012 10:51
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Haven't updated my xerte install yet but yes I think I have had the same
issue in the past but I think only during preview not with the published
project but let's park that for now. Have been testing further with the beta
install...

If I create a new project with just the youtube feed page and play that I
don't get the rogue scroller. 

If I then add a title page (or any page) and preview I still don't get the
rogue scroller.

However if I then move the title page above the youtube feed page and
preview/play I do get the rogue scroller. e.g.
http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=55

So I know it's difficult for you to troubleshoot given you don't see this
but does this point to a possible cause solution?

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 May 2012 09:32
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Do you get it in standalone xerte?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 May 2012 08:55
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Julian - thanks for making the thumb images clickable - works well.

Not sure what the extent of the rogue scrollbar appearing is but I'll create
a single page example and share via the lists and hopefully get other to
respond to confirm whether they get this or not.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 01 May 2012 14:19
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Ok tested on another Windows 7 machine and I don't see the rogue scroll bar
on that in any of the browsers.

So that seems to rule out the difference between Windows 7 and XP being the
problem.

I have the same AV software including browser plug-ins on both machines so
it's not that.

I've deleted offline files in IE and tried again - same problem exists.

Lost for ideas now but I have seen this previously on college machines etc
and obviously someone reported it to Alistair too. Would be good if others
here on this list could test and confirm either way?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

XP.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:51
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

That's weird - could it be flash player version or OS version or something?
Are you on Win 7 or earlier?

Got a skype call now but will test on a different machine later.

Anyone else seeing or not seeing this?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:40
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

No I'm not:

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:35
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

No this is on the test server purely 1.8 code are you not seeing it on
http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=22

I get this on IE, Firefox, Safari and Chrome

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

I aint seein' no scrollbar.

This some third party thing you guys have installed?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:13
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Have uploaded. P60 of
http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=22

We've still got that rogue scrollbar to the left of the thumbnails which
also affects the scrollbar for the thumbs.

Can the thumbnails be active links as well as the text?

In my IE8 the pop-up still isn't resizable but could just be specific to my
laptop so would be good if others could test and feed back? Will test on IE9
too.

HTH

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 May 2012 13:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Just committed the feed page, it works the same way. I also changed the
params in openWindow to allow the window to be resizable, and to get the
focus when it's made, so you don't lose it. That's in preview_xerte_top
(which is in modules/xerte by the way as I can never find it.)

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 01 May 2012 12:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

It's in place now - page 61 and 62 of
http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=22

If you go through in linear order Page 61 comes up with an undefined but
page 62 seems to work fine - not sure what the difference is but then if you
go back to page 61 it pops up the video from page 62.

Will the wizard have options to set pop-up window features such as
resizable? In IE 8 the pop up isn't resizable but I think it should be or
perhaps better still have control over than in the wizard. In Firefox and
Safari I can resize the pop-up.

Presumably this is grabbing the image automatically which is great? I don't
think it's as nice as the current YouTube page but if that's going then I
guess we have no choice. At least it means features such as captions and
view full screen are available.

How will the feed page work?

HTH

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 May 2012 12:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Sorry, I commited it to xerte. Just replace the one youtube.rlm file. Its in
the XOT svn now as well.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 01 May 2012 11:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New Youtube page

Hi Julian

did you commit to the XOT svn or just Xerte? Not showing up in the XOT svn
that I've been using for the test install. Not sure if I can just grab the
two files from the Xerte svn and just replace the files on the test install?

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 May 2012 11:29
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] New Youtube page

I just committed a new version of the youtube page: it uses newWindow to
launch the video. I tried doing the embed approach, but it's gribbly: the
movie hovers above the popup menus along the bottom, and moving to a new
page left the screen black for a few seconds. So this way pops up a new
window, but I think it's the best we can do until we get the HTML5 stuff
finished.

If you could pop it in the demo please Ron, I'll do the RSS one as well, but
I'll wait for any comments first.

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