[Xerte-dev] Re: Desktop files developments - ready for testing

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Mon Mar 19 16:24:31 GMT 2012


Brilliant...

Op 19-3-2012 17:15, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
> Thanks. Everything is checked in.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp 
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 19 March 2012 16:10
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Desktop files developments - ready for testing
>
> Tom,
>
> In the absence of an answer I will add Julian's changes now.
>
> I should be able to update the pageWizard section of the svn with the 
> changes by end of play today :-)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 19 March 2012 13:37, Kemp Johnathan <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com 
> <mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
>
> I got back earlier than expected.
>
> Tom, do you want me to update the files in line with Julian's changes 
> or do you want to handle it?
>
> With respect to the Xerte desktop menu uptions do you think they need 
> looking at?
>
> Currently to create a new project we have
>
> File / New...
>
> Pages / Create Template Project from Pages
>
> Pages / Create new Page Project
>
> Templates / Case Study
>
> Templates / Media Interactions
>
> Templates / Menu
>
> Templates / Page Templates
>
> Templates / Presentation
>
> Templates / folders e.g. Dependent on what Page Wizards have been 
> installed.
>
> It's my understanding that the intention is that every page should be 
> in Toolkits / Page Templates and that all the rest of the templates 
> are effectively legacy items left over to provide compatibility with 
> earlier projects.
>
> Would it make sense to update the menu so that we had
>
> File / New
>
>                 / Basic project (i.e. what you get now when you do 
> File / New.)
>
>                 / Developer project (i.e. the new style of project 
> offering individual page templates)
>
>                 / Toolkits style project (or Author project) i.e. 
> pageTemplates project
>
> Templates / Legacy (or Deprecated)
>
>                                / Case Study
>
>                                / Media Interactions
>
>                                / Menu
>
>                                / Presentation
>
>                                / Folders (i.e. the page wizard folders 
> if Page Wizards are installed)
>
> The Page Wizards should now be considered legacy items. I would not 
> recommend that they continue to be available for download as all the 
> functionality they offer is now in the Individual Page Templates as 
> provided by the Developer project.
>
> What do you think.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 19 March 2012 10:57, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl 
> <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
>
> About the 2 out of 4 issue....
>
> Yes, you are absolutely right that you have to be careful with the 
> order of words. My solution is just different, and in a way a bit more 
> flexible. The 'numbers' are  referred to by a 'macro'($C, or $T)  and 
> replaced in he text before display. This even gives you the freedom as 
> a user to skip the 'of 10' part.
>
> I'll put together an example and show you...
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom
>
> Op 19-3-2012 11:43, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>
>     Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks,
>     also I've been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and
>     pieces into \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly
>     changes in the main set thata ren't reflected in your own?
>
>     Yes my current models will not include any changes you made on
>     Friday. Tom if you want to update those changes go ahead. I will
>     need to check over the tab nav connector as it may also need
>     modifying since the tab navigator has changed. If you see any
>     issues of accessibility that I have missed in the new pages then
>     by all means address those as well.
>
>     Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled
>     the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH
>     easier to have to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the
>     code you would have to substitute $C and $T, and you have to
>     explain users NOT to change the $C and $T, but it is much more
>     flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now in my humble opinion.
>
>     The only reason I implemented the question 1 of 8, you have scored
>     3 out of 10 etc. in a way that lets you choose whether to put the
>     page number before the count or the count before the page number
>     was because I don't know enough about the variety of languages
>     that Xerte may get translated in to to be sure that one or more of
>     them would not normally express things in what would be to us the
>     reverse order. Just as in English we say telephone number whilst
>     in French it is expresses as "number of the telephone". If this is
>     unlikely to be an issue then there is no point in implementing it
>     this way and simplifying it makes sense. I am happy to be guided
>     by you.
>
>     Whilst I have put in an amount of work to help with this next
>     version of Xerte I hope I can remain objective to achieving the
>     optimum solution and not become overly attached to any particular
>     feature that I may have introduced. If there are features that I
>     have introduced that you feel could be improved or need modifying
>     then now is the time to speak up. :-)
>
>      I think I understand what you are referring to with the concept
>     of the translation database. I look forward to seeing what you
>     have come up with. If it means that the English set remain the
>     master set that are updated, and then your database allows for
>     other translations file sets to be generated automatically then
>     that will be extremely valuable in coping with the potential
>     confusion that multiple sets of xwds could introduce.
>
>     I may not be available now until later today.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Johnathan
>
>     On 19 March 2012 10:01, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl
>     <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Yes,
>
>     Ultimately, there will be one set. It is NOT needed, but VERY
>     confusing if we don't do that. I am willing to make sure we merge
>     in the changes.
>
>     Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled
>     the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH
>     easier to have to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the
>     code you would have to substitute $C and $T, and you have to
>     explain users NOT to change the $C and $T, but it is much more
>     flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now in my humble opinion.
>
>     I appreciate all your hard work, and this will give the Xerte
>     development by the community an enormous boost (I am convinced of
>     that). Given the fact that you/we CANNOT change the identifiers
>     used in the xwd (because that would absolutely break the current
>     XOT LO's, the translation is far for trivial.  You really have to
>     know what you can change and what NOT to touch. Your document
>     explains that clearly. Also, if we're not careful, we will
>     re-introduce a maintenance nightmare, if the xwd's of a
>     translation get out of synch with the English ones.
>
>     My proposal is to have an helper website that will take the
>     English XWD's as master, and build a translation database from
>     those. Than the XWD's for the other languages will be generated
>     from the English XWD and the translation database. If all goes
>     well, I've got something working by the end of the day...
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Tom
>
>
>
>     Op 19-3-2012 10:40, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
>     How are we going to merge the files in pageWizards\models with
>     \templates\pageTemplates\models? We will end up with one set of
>     models?
>
>     Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks,
>     also I've been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and
>     pieces into \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly
>     changes in the main set thata ren't reflected in your own?
>
>     *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of
>     *Kemp Johnathan
>     *Sent:* 17 March 2012 19:19
>     *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
>     *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Desktop files developments - ready for testing
>
>     I have now committed to the svn the new model and xwd files that
>     have support for internationalisation and the generation of a
>     single template.xwd file from a set of individual page xwd files.
>     This includes new thumb images were required. I have also provide
>     draft new versions of the project files pagetemplate.rlo complete
>     with new xml and xwd files to provide a variety of project layout
>     / colour change options. There are a number of new pages including
>     7 connector pages, an inventory page and an index changer page
>     (desktop projects only);
>
>     I have updated the Project State of Play.rtf file to reflect what
>     I believe is now the current situation.
>
>     As far as I can tell the only changes that will be required to be
>     made to a few of the xwd files is the addition of the name of the
>     icon once one has been added to the Xerte engine. Other than that
>     they should be stable enough for translation to begin. In the svn
>     I have added in the page wizards section a supporting documents
>     folder which contains a brief guide to support the translation of
>     xwd files into other languages. It is in both Open Office and pdf
>     format, so that others can translate the document if they wish.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Johnathan
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