[Xerte-dev] Re: Desktop files developments - ready for testing

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Mon Mar 19 10:57:19 GMT 2012


About the 2 out of 4 issue....

Yes, you are absolutely right that you have to be careful with the order 
of words. My solution is just different, and in a way a bit more 
flexible. The 'numbers' are  referred to by a 'macro'($C, or $T)  and 
replaced in he text before display. This even gives you the freedom as a 
user to skip the 'of 10' part.

I'll put together an example and show you...

Regards,

Tom

Op 19-3-2012 11:43, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
> Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks, 
> also I've been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and pieces 
> into \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly changes in 
> the main set thata ren't reflected in your own?
>
> Yes my current models will not include any changes you made on Friday. 
> Tom if you want to update those changes go ahead. I will need to check 
> over the tab nav connector as it may also need modifying since the tab 
> navigator has changed. If you see any issues of accessibility that I 
> have missed in the new pages then by all means address those as well.
>
>
> Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled the 
> 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH easier to 
> have to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the code you would 
> have to substitute $C and $T, and you have to explain users NOT to 
> change the $C and $T, but it is much more flexible and cleaner than 
> the way you do it now in my humble opinion.
>
> The only reason I implemented the question 1 of 8, you have scored 3 
> out of 10 etc. in a way that lets you choose whether to put the page 
> number before the count or the count before the page number was 
> because I don't know enough about the variety of languages that Xerte 
> may get translated in to to be sure that one or more of them would not 
> normally express things in what would be to us the reverse order. Just 
> as in English we say telephone number whilst in French it is expresses 
> as "number of the telephone". If this is unlikely to be an issue then 
> there is no point in implementing it this way and simplifying it makes 
> sense. I am happy to be guided by you.
>
> Whilst I have put in an amount of work to help with this next version 
> of Xerte I hope I can remain objective to achieving the optimum 
> solution and not become overly attached to any particular feature that 
> I may have introduced. If there are features that I have introduced 
> that you feel could be improved or need modifying then now is the time 
> to speak up. :-)
>
>  I think I understand what you are referring to with the concept of 
> the translation database. I look forward to seeing what you have come 
> up with. If it means that the English set remain the master set that 
> are updated, and then your database allows for other translations file 
> sets to be generated automatically then that will be extremely 
> valuable in coping with the potential confusion that multiple sets of 
> xwds could introduce.
>
> I may not be available now until later today.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 19 March 2012 10:01, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl 
> <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Yes,
>
>     Ultimately, there will be one set. It is NOT needed, but VERY
>     confusing if we don't do that. I am willing to make sure we merge
>     in the changes.
>
>     Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled
>     the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH
>     easier to have to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the
>     code you would have to substitute $C and $T, and you have to
>     explain users NOT to change the $C and $T, but it is much more
>     flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now in my humble opinion.
>
>     I appreciate all your hard work, and this will give the Xerte
>     development by the community an enormous boost (I am convinced of
>     that). Given the fact that you/we CANNOT change the identifiers
>     used in the xwd (because that would absolutely break the current
>     XOT LO's, the translation is far for trivial.  You really have to
>     know what you can change and what NOT to touch. Your document
>     explains that clearly. Also, if we're not careful, we will
>     re-introduce a maintenance nightmare, if the xwd's of a
>     translation get out of synch with the English ones.
>
>     My proposal is to have an helper website that will take the
>     English XWD's as master, and build a translation database from
>     those. Than the XWD's for the other languages will be generated
>     from the English XWD and the translation database. If all goes
>     well, I've got something working by the end of the day...
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Tom
>
>
>
>     Op 19-3-2012 10:40, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>
>>     How are we going to merge the files in pageWizards\models with
>>     \templates\pageTemplates\models? We will end up with one set of
>>     models?
>>
>>     Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility
>>     tweaks, also I've been checking some occasional fixes / new bits
>>     and pieces into \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are
>>     possibly changes in the main set thata ren't reflected in your own?
>>
>>     *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>     [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of
>>     *Kemp Johnathan
>>     *Sent:* 17 March 2012 19:19
>>     *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
>>     *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Desktop files developments - ready for testing
>>
>>     I have now committed to the svn the new model and xwd files that
>>     have support for internationalisation and the generation of a
>>     single template.xwd file from a set of individual page xwd files.
>>     This includes new thumb images were required. I have also provide
>>     draft new versions of the project files pagetemplate.rlo complete
>>     with new xml and xwd files to provide a variety of project layout
>>     / colour change options. There are a number of new pages
>>     including 7 connector pages, an inventory page and an index
>>     changer page (desktop projects only);
>>
>>     I have updated the Project State of Play.rtf file to reflect what
>>     I believe is now the current situation.
>>
>>     As far as I can tell the only changes that will be required to be
>>     made to a few of the xwd files is the addition of the name of the
>>     icon once one has been added to the Xerte engine. Other than that
>>     they should be stable enough for translation to begin. In the svn
>>     I have added in the page wizards section a supporting documents
>>     folder which contains a brief guide to support the translation of
>>     xwd files into other languages. It is in both Open Office and pdf
>>     format, so that others can translate the document if they wish.
>>
>>     Kind regards
>>
>>     Johnathan
>>
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