From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb  1 11:50:59 2012
From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb  1 13:03:37 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:03:37 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb  1 14:05:00 2012
From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:05:00 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb  1 19:32:24 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:32:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to
"hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in
blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd
files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title"
text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00"
lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA
</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA
entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random"
numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide
instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential
for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence
of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the
page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd
form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at
the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in
the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information
for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child
item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the
form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be
added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the
model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various
parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author
modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item
that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add
them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can
just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to
allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make
them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form
as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates
the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Thanks, I?ll add in a brief instruction for this page
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 13:04
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the
> xwd.
>
>
>
> It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> There was a bug ? it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the
> diagram.  It?s fixed in the attached version.
>
>
>
> On a different point, I hadn?t looked at this page type before and it took
> me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each
> part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing
> until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and
> is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some
> instructions with it ? can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 13:24
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but
> find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page
> just stops responding on preview.
>
>
>
> Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?
>
>
>
> I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual
> page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived
> from the contents in templates.xwd.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  2 08:34:05 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:34:05 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Hmm. Not sure. That's a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed - it's there as a placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can't be stored as an attribute because of the formatting.

The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing stuff...

<node>
  <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the drawing.
  <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
</node>

...and I'm not sure how that's going to work in the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 01 February 2012 19:32
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title" text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00" lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random" numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  2 11:22:54 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:22:54 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would
be the preference for the Xerte project?

a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with
existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a
rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of
the form so that the author can edit them.

b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form, but
at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit project
based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages xml data.

I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Hmm. Not sure. That?s a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed ? it?s there as a
> placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push
> xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can?t be
> stored as an attribute because of the formatting.
>
>
>
> The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing
> stuff?
>
>
>
> <node>
>
>   <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the
> drawing.
>
>   <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
>
> </node>
>
>
>
> ?and I?m not sure how that?s going to work in the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 19:32
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.
>
>
>
> If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to
> "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".
>
>
>
> The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in
> blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd
> files
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title"
> text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00"
> lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA
> </customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no
> CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random"
> numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide
> instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears
> essential for holding the drawing data.
>
>
>
> However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the
> presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items
> to the page.
>
>
>
> I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the
> xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display
> at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as
>
>
>
> [type Function][type Function]
>
>
>
> The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in
> the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information
> for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child
> item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the
> form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.
>
>
>
> Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can
> be added?
>
>
>
> The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the
> model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various
> parts to learn more".
>
> To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author
> modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item
> that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add
> them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can
> just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to
> allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make
> them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form
> as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates
> the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.
>
>
>
> Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I?ll add in a brief instruction for this page
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 13:04
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the
> xwd.
>
>
>
> It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> There was a bug ? it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the
> diagram.  It?s fixed in the attached version.
>
>
>
> On a different point, I hadn?t looked at this page type before and it took
> me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each
> part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing
> until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and
> is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some
> instructions with it ? can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 13:24
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but
> find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page
> just stops responding on preview.
>
>
>
> Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?
>
>
>
> I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual
> page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived
> from the contents in templates.xwd.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  2 11:53:40 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:53:40 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Hi all

firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
main list hope that's ok...

 

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
this!

 

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and
comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless
of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else?
improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size
setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll
cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm
and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the
correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt
file.

 

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

 

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
which is part of the normal zip export

 

As far as I can tell it does this by opening
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
adding to the zip

 

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
\modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
exported zip

 

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
the embed content and new window pages don't work because
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
don't currently contain the relevant window code. 

 

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

 

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
\modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm
and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the
zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and
div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be
in place: <div id="popup_parent"/> 

 

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
versions/revisions flying around?

 

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that
when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE
when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it
works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of
LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to
the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine
in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the
default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is
there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

 

HTH

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published
project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is
simply no content embeded.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
wrote:

any JS errors?


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so
far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
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From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  2 12:15:48 2012
From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:15:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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You are right that the one in the xot svn is the most up to date.
I thought I had uploaded the amended model to both but it seems to just be in the toolkits one (although strangely the old version in the xerte svn was uploaded more recently than the new version in the xot svn so maybe it's been overwritten at some point?) Anyway, I'll update the version in the xerte svn now.

The sizing of the window works ok in IE7 & Firefox8 but I admit I hadn't tested it in IE8 - I'll look into this.  Having said it works in my browsers there is a caveat to this that you mention - if you change window size while on the embed content page it won't resize the window until you navigate away from it and back again.  This is something I've wanted to get sorted for a while but haven't as yet had a chance - now that someone else has noticed I will get on with it!

Thanks for your testing and the attached files - I'll have a look at these in a sec



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 11:54
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi all
firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the main list hope that's ok...

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to this!

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt file.

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm which is part of the normal zip export

As far as I can tell it does this by opening \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and adding to the zip

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the exported zip

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip the embed content and new window pages don't work because \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm don't currently contain the relevant window code.

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so. Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other versions/revisions flying around?

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

HTH
Ron





From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is simply no content embeded.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
any JS errors?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here...
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:19:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates
project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the
project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server
running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page
work is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post
and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an
issue.

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and
then been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view
the embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web
server?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
> would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
> main list hope that's ok...
>
>
>
> I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
> barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
> favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
> this!
>
>
>
> So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing
> and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
> up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
> could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
> assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
> it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed
> regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or
> someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO
> screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible
> caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current
> xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is
> newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in
> the attached txt file.
>
>
>
> The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
> embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:
>
>
>
> \website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
> which is part of the normal zip export
>
>
>
> As far as I can tell it does this by opening
> \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
> adding to the zip
>
>
>
> When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
> \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
> exported zip
>
>
>
> So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
> the embed content and new window pages don't work because
> \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
> don't currently contain the relevant window code.
>
>
>
> When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
> work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top
>
>
>
> The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
> \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both
> \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
> These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the
> pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the
> end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>
>
>
>
> I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
> fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
> files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
> Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
> versions/revisions flying around?
>
>
>
> The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is
> that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size
> in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However
> it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless
> of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate
> to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works
> fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than
> the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
> navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE?
> Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 31 January 2012 14:04
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>
>
>
> I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
> test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte
> published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but
> there is simply no content embeded.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> any JS errors?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
> <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Yep,
> >
> > I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
> get
> > the page to work.
> >
> > I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
> document.write
> > statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> > running in the browser.
> >
> > So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> > On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> In index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> >> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
> >>
> >>
> >> To: Xerte discussion list
> >> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
> >> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a
> so far
> >> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
> >> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
> >> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect the problem lies in the line
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> callJS('makePopUp', params);
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
> >> file?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
> >> javascript?
> >>
> >> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
> folders
> >> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
> installation?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
> Tenney
> >> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
> >> To: Xerte discussion list
> >> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just works here?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Error! Filename not specified.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> >> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
> >> To: Xerte discussion list
> >> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
> >>
> >> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the
> url
> >> the value
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
> >> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
> >>
> >> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
> >> content displays.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
> >> form.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
> and
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> >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do
> not
> >> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
> any
> >> attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email
> do
> >> not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  2 12:21:02 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:21:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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a)      Yes.

Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text fields?

Then in the xwd we can say 'isDisplaytext' and in the wizard check before adding the control?' Have it toggleable by the user?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 11:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would be the preference for the Xerte project?

a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of the form so that the author can edit them.

b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form, but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages xml data.

I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hmm. Not sure. That's a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed - it's there as a placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can't be stored as an attribute because of the formatting.

The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing stuff...

<node>
  <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the drawing.
  <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
</node>

...and I'm not sure how that's going to work in the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 01 February 2012 19:32

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title" text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00" lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random" numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  2 13:03:42 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:03:42 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Hi Jonathan

it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted
locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and
embedDiv.rlm in your test file.

I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current
publishes?

HTH

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates
project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the
project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server
running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work
is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

 

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

 

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post
and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an
issue.

 

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then
been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the
embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all

firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
main list hope that's ok...

 

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
this!

 

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and
comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless
of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else?
improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size
setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll
cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm
and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the
correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt
file.

 

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

 

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
which is part of the normal zip export

 

As far as I can tell it does this by opening
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
adding to the zip

 

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
\modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
exported zip

 

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
the embed content and new window pages don't work because
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
don't currently contain the relevant window code. 

 

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

 

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
\modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm
and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the
zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and
div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be
in place: <div id="popup_parent"/> 

 

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
versions/revisions flying around?

 

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that
when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE
when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it
works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of
LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to
the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine
in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the
default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is
there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

 

HTH

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04


To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published
project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is
simply no content embeded.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
wrote:

any JS errors?


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so
far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  2 13:23:52 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:23:52 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use in
xwd files?

I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value
of a field in the form.

It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able
to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand
or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.

If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you
have any examples that would point me in the right direction?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> a)      Yes.
>
>
>
> Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text
> fields?
>
>
>
> Then in the xwd we can say ?isDisplaytext? and in the wizard check before
> adding the control?? Have it toggleable by the user?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 11:23
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would
> be the preference for the Xerte project?
>
>
>
> a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with
> existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a
> rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of
> the form so that the author can edit them.
>
>
>
> b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form,
> but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit
> project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages
> xml data.
>
>
>
> I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm. Not sure. That?s a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed ? it?s there as a
> placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push
> xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can?t be
> stored as an attribute because of the formatting.
>
>
>
> The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing
> stuff?
>
>
>
> <node>
>
>   <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the
> drawing.
>
>   <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
>
> </node>
>
>
>
> ?and I?m not sure how that?s going to work in the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 19:32
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.
>
>
>
> If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to
> "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".
>
>
>
> The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in
> blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd
> files
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title"
> text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00"
> lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA
> </customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no
> CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random"
> numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide
> instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears
> essential for holding the drawing data.
>
>
>
> However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the
> presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items
> to the page.
>
>
>
> I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the
> xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display
> at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as
>
>
>
> [type Function][type Function]
>
>
>
> The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in
> the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information
> for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child
> item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the
> form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.
>
>
>
> Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can
> be added?
>
>
>
> The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the
> model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various
> parts to learn more".
>
> To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author
> modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item
> that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add
> them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can
> just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to
> allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make
> them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form
> as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates
> the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.
>
>
>
> Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I?ll add in a brief instruction for this page
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 13:04
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the
> xwd.
>
>
>
> It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> There was a bug ? it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the
> diagram.  It?s fixed in the attached version.
>
>
>
> On a different point, I hadn?t looked at this page type before and it took
> me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each
> part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing
> until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and
> is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some
> instructions with it ? can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 13:24
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but
> find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page
> just stops responding on preview.
>
>
>
> Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?
>
>
>
> I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual
> page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived
> from the contents in templates.xwd.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  2 13:38:33 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:38:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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No, but could do it easily: just in the same option="true" works, so could displayText="true" and by default not show those controls; then the users selects 'show display text' box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:24
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use in xwd files?

I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value of a field in the form.

It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.

If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you have any examples that would point me in the right direction?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

a)      Yes.

Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text fields?

Then in the xwd we can say 'isDisplaytext' and in the wizard check before adding the control?' Have it toggleable by the user?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 11:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would be the preference for the Xerte project?

a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of the form so that the author can edit them.

b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form, but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages xml data.

I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hmm. Not sure. That's a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed - it's there as a placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can't be stored as an attribute because of the formatting.

The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing stuff...

<node>
  <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the drawing.
  <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
</node>

...and I'm not sure how that's going to work in the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 01 February 2012 19:32

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title" text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00" lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random" numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:46:14 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Hi Ron,
I've been looking through the files you sent over and what you're saying makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after adding these functions in to the index.htm I can't see the window.  Am I missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don't seem to be being called at all as I've tried an alert in them.  It's using the right model file.  Any ideas?

Fay

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi Jonathan
it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and embedDiv.rlm in your test file.
I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current publishes?
HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an issue.

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi all
firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the main list hope that's ok...

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to this!

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt file.

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm which is part of the normal zip export

As far as I can tell it does this by opening \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and adding to the zip

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the exported zip

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip the embed content and new window pages don't work because \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm don't currently contain the relevant window code.

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so. Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other versions/revisions flying around?

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

HTH
Ron





From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04

To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is simply no content embeded.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
any JS errors?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here...
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Amazing what you find in the source code. There is an attribute 'divider' which will draw a dividing line above the current control if true in an xwd.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an issue.

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi all
firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the main list hope that's ok...

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to this!

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt file.

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm which is part of the normal zip export

As far as I can tell it does this by opening \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and adding to the zip

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the exported zip

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip the embed content and new window pages don't work because \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm don't currently contain the relevant window code.

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so. Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other versions/revisions flying around?

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

HTH
Ron





From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04

To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is simply no content embeded.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
any JS errors?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here...
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:51:21 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Ok, just changed security settings as you advised Johnathan and it works now.

I'll just test a few things before I upload amended files to the svn.  Thanks for coming up with a solution to this Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi Ron,
I've been looking through the files you sent over and what you're saying makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after adding these functions in to the index.htm I can't see the window.  Am I missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don't seem to be being called at all as I've tried an alert in them.  It's using the right model file.  Any ideas?

Fay

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi Jonathan
it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and embedDiv.rlm in your test file.
I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current publishes?
HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an issue.

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi all
firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the main list hope that's ok...

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to this!

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt file.

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm which is part of the normal zip export

As far as I can tell it does this by opening \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and adding to the zip

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the exported zip

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip the embed content and new window pages don't work because \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm don't currently contain the relevant window code.

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so. Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other versions/revisions flying around?

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

HTH
Ron





From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04

To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is simply no content embeded.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
any JS errors?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here...
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
>> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not
>> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any
>> attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do
>> not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>> computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as
>> permitted by UK legislation.
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  2 13:58:54 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:58:54 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Hi Fay

have you set the flash player security to allow where you're viewing from?
I'm sure you have but I tested and verified that definitely has an effect
e.g. the window doesn't show at all unless the location is trusted.
Screenshot below. I've allowed C:\ but more secure to use a specific
path/folder.

 

So far I've only tested this with a localhost install so I can't send you a
link but once I've updated one or more public installs I'll let you know.

HTH

Ron

 



 

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Hi Ron,

I've been looking through the files you sent over and what you're saying
makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in
the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after
adding these functions in to the index.htm I can't see the window.  Am I
missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and
edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div
id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don't seem to be being called at all as I've
tried an alert in them.  It's using the right model file.  Any ideas?

 

Fay

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Hi Jonathan

it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted
locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and
embedDiv.rlm in your test file.

I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current
publishes?

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates
project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the
project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server
running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work
is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

 

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

 

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post
and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an
issue.

 

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then
been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the
embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all

firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
main list hope that's ok...

 

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
this!

 

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and
comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless
of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else?
improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size
setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll
cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm
and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the
correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt
file.

 

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

 

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
which is part of the normal zip export

 

As far as I can tell it does this by opening
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
adding to the zip

 

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
\modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
exported zip

 

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
the embed content and new window pages don't work because
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
don't currently contain the relevant window code. 

 

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

 

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
\modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm
and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the
zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and
div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be
in place: <div id="popup_parent"/> 

 

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
versions/revisions flying around?

 

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that
when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE
when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it
works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of
LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to
the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine
in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the
default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is
there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

 

HTH

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04


To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published
project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is
simply no content embeded.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
wrote:

any JS errors?


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so
far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  2 14:01:04 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:01:04 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Whoops overlapping messages - glad you got it working. Hopefully that
resolves Jonathan's issue too.

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Ok, just changed security settings as you advised Johnathan and it works
now.

 

I'll just test a few things before I upload amended files to the svn.
Thanks for coming up with a solution to this Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Hi Ron,

I've been looking through the files you sent over and what you're saying
makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in
the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after
adding these functions in to the index.htm I can't see the window.  Am I
missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and
edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div
id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don't seem to be being called at all as I've
tried an alert in them.  It's using the right model file.  Any ideas?

 

Fay

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Hi Jonathan

it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted
locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and
embedDiv.rlm in your test file.

I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current
publishes?

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates
project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the
project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server
running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work
is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

 

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

 

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post
and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an
issue.

 

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then
been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the
embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all

firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
main list hope that's ok...

 

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
this!

 

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and
comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless
of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else?
improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size
setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll
cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm
and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the
correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt
file.

 

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

 

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
which is part of the normal zip export

 

As far as I can tell it does this by opening
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
adding to the zip

 

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
\modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
exported zip

 

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
the embed content and new window pages don't work because
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
don't currently contain the relevant window code. 

 

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

 

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
\modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm
and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the
zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and
div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be
in place: <div id="popup_parent"/> 

 

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
versions/revisions flying around?

 

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that
when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE
when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it
works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of
LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to
the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine
in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the
default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is
there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

 

HTH

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04


To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published
project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is
simply no content embeded.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
wrote:

any JS errors?


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so
far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:03:15 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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I am guessing that what you are talking about here is a modification to the
code that implements the processing of xwd files, to add this functionality.

It certainly sounds like following option a) discussed above, but with the
capability to hide / show the display text fields is the way to go.

I will defer any further work on the internationalisation of the
customHotspots page for now. If you, or a colleague, could implement the
functionality you mentioned above, then I will be happy to test it out on a
new form for the customHotspots page.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> No, but could do it easily: just in the same option=?true? works, so could
> displayText=?true? and by default not show those controls; then the users
> selects ?show display text? box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:24
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use
> in xwd files?
>
>
>
> I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value
> of a field in the form.
>
>
>
> It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able
> to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand
> or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.
>
>
>
> If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you
> have any examples that would point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> a)      Yes.
>
>
>
> Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text
> fields?
>
>
>
> Then in the xwd we can say ?isDisplaytext? and in the wizard check before
> adding the control?? Have it toggleable by the user?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 11:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would
> be the preference for the Xerte project?
>
>
>
> a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with
> existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a
> rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of
> the form so that the author can edit them.
>
>
>
> b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form,
> but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit
> project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages
> xml data.
>
>
>
> I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm. Not sure. That?s a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed ? it?s there as a
> placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push
> xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can?t be
> stored as an attribute because of the formatting.
>
>
>
> The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing
> stuff?
>
>
>
> <node>
>
>   <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the
> drawing.
>
>   <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
>
> </node>
>
>
>
> ?and I?m not sure how that?s going to work in the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 19:32
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.
>
>
>
> If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to
> "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".
>
>
>
> The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in
> blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd
> files
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title"
> text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00"
> lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA
> </customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no
> CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random"
> numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide
> instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears
> essential for holding the drawing data.
>
>
>
> However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the
> presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items
> to the page.
>
>
>
> I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the
> xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display
> at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as
>
>
>
> [type Function][type Function]
>
>
>
> The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in
> the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information
> for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child
> item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the
> form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.
>
>
>
> Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can
> be added?
>
>
>
> The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the
> model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various
> parts to learn more".
>
> To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author
> modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item
> that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add
> them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can
> just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to
> allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make
> them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form
> as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates
> the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.
>
>
>
> Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I?ll add in a brief instruction for this page
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 13:04
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the
> xwd.
>
>
>
> It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> There was a bug ? it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the
> diagram.  It?s fixed in the attached version.
>
>
>
> On a different point, I hadn?t looked at this page type before and it took
> me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each
> part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing
> until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and
> is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some
> instructions with it ? can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 13:24
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but
> find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page
> just stops responding on preview.
>
>
>
> Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?
>
>
>
> I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual
> page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived
> from the contents in templates.xwd.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb  2 14:18:03 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:18:03 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Way to go Ron!

Flash settings were the key.

So which set of files are we using ? :-)

On 2 February 2012 14:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> Whoops overlapping messages - glad you got it working. Hopefully that
> resolves Jonathan's issue too.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:51
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>
>
>
> Ok, just changed security settings as you advised Johnathan and it works
> now.
>
>
>
> I?ll just test a few things before I upload amended files to the svn.
> Thanks for coming up with a solution to this Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:46
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I?ve been looking through the files you sent over and what you?re saying
> makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in
> the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after
> adding these functions in to the index.htm I can?t see the window.  Am I
> missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and
> edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div
> id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don?t seem to be being called at all as
> I?ve tried an alert in them.  It?s using the right model file.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Fay
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:04
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>
>
>
> Hi Jonathan
>
> it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted
> locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and
> embedDiv.rlm in your test file.
>
> I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current
> publishes?
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 12:20
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>
>
>
> I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates
> project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the
> project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server
> running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page
> work is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.
>
>
>
> This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.
>
>
>
> The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post
> and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an
> issue.
>
>
>
> Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and
> then been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view
> the embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web
> server?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
> would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
> main list hope that's ok...
>
>
>
> I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
> barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
> favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
> this!
>
>
>
> So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing
> and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
> up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
> could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
> assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
> it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed
> regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or
> someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO
> screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible
> caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current
> xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is
> newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in
> the attached txt file.
>
>
>
> The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
> embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:
>
>
>
> \website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
> which is part of the normal zip export
>
>
>
> As far as I can tell it does this by opening
> \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
> adding to the zip
>
>
>
> When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
> \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
> exported zip
>
>
>
> So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
> the embed content and new window pages don't work because
> \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
> don't currently contain the relevant window code.
>
>
>
> When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
> work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top
>
>
>
> The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
> \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both
> \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
> These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the
> pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the
> end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>
>
>
>
> I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
> fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
> files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
> Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
> versions/revisions flying around?
>
>
>
> The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is
> that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size
> in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However
> it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless
> of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate
> to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works
> fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than
> the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
> navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE?
> Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 31 January 2012 14:04
>
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>
>
>
> I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
> test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte
> published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but
> there is simply no content embeded.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> any JS errors?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
> <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Yep,
> >
> > I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
> get
> > the page to work.
> >
> > I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
> document.write
> > statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> > running in the browser.
> >
> > So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> > On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> In index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> >> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
> >>
> >>
> >> To: Xerte discussion list
> >> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
> >> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a
> so far
> >> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
> >> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
> >> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect the problem lies in the line
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> callJS('makePopUp', params);
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
> >> file?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
> >> javascript?
> >>
> >> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
> folders
> >> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
> installation?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
> Tenney
> >> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
> >> To: Xerte discussion list
> >> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just works here?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Error! Filename not specified.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> >> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
> >> To: Xerte discussion list
> >> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
> >>
> >> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the
> url
> >> the value
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
> >> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
> >>
> >> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
> >> content displays.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
> >> form.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:29:33 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Hi Jonathan

Fay has already updated the embedDiv.rlm in the xerte svn so that it's now
the same as the one in the XOT svn so grab that which is the same as the one
I attached to the list.

Not sure about the xerte index.htm but if you have it working now then all
is fine.

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 14:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Way to go Ron!

 

Flash settings were the key.

 

So which set of files are we using ? :-)

 

On 2 February 2012 14:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Whoops overlapping messages - glad you got it working. Hopefully that
resolves Jonathan's issue too.

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:51


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Ok, just changed security settings as you advised Johnathan and it works
now.

 

I'll just test a few things before I upload amended files to the svn.
Thanks for coming up with a solution to this Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Hi Ron,

I've been looking through the files you sent over and what you're saying
makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in
the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after
adding these functions in to the index.htm I can't see the window.  Am I
missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and
edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div
id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don't seem to be being called at all as I've
tried an alert in them.  It's using the right model file.  Any ideas?

 

Fay

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

Hi Jonathan

it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted
locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and
embedDiv.rlm in your test file.

I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current
publishes?

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates
project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the
project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server
running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work
is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

 

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

 

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post
and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an
issue.

 

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then
been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the
embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all

firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it
would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the
main list hope that's ok...

 

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the
barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their
favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to
this!

 

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and
comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most
up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I
could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm
assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since
it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless
of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else?
improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size
setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll
cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm
and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the
correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt
file.

 

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the
embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

 

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm
which is part of the normal zip export

 

As far as I can tell it does this by opening
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and
adding to the zip

 

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's
\modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the
exported zip

 

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip
the embed content and new window pages don't work because
\modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm
don't currently contain the relevant window code. 

 

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages
work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

 

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from
\modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm
and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the
zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and
div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be
in place: <div id="popup_parent"/> 

 

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work
fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the
files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so.
Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other
versions/revisions flying around?

 

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that
when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE
when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it
works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of
LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to
the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine
in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the
default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then
navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is
there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

 

HTH

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04


To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

 

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a
test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published
project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is
simply no content embeded.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
wrote:

any JS errors?


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't
get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of
document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so
far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn
folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte
installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:51:04 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
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Both xot & xerte svns now have up to date versions of:


-          embed.rlm

-          rloObject.htm

-          scormRLO.htm


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 14:30
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi Jonathan
Fay has already updated the embedDiv.rlm in the xerte svn so that it's now the same as the one in the XOT svn so grab that which is the same as the one I attached to the list.
Not sure about the xerte index.htm but if you have it working now then all is fine.
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 14:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Way to go Ron!

Flash settings were the key.

So which set of files are we using ? :-)

On 2 February 2012 14:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
Whoops overlapping messages - glad you got it working. Hopefully that resolves Jonathan's issue too.
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:51

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Ok, just changed security settings as you advised Johnathan and it works now.

I'll just test a few things before I upload amended files to the svn.  Thanks for coming up with a solution to this Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi Ron,
I've been looking through the files you sent over and what you're saying makes sense, at the moment there are no functions to make the new window in the index.htm files that get exported with a project.  However, even after adding these functions in to the index.htm I can't see the window.  Am I missing something?  I simply exported a project from xot, unzipped it and edited the index.htm to include the functions (and the <div id="popup_parent"/> too).  They don't seem to be being called at all as I've tried an alert in them.  It's using the right model file.  Any ideas?

Fay

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

Hi Jonathan
it works fine for me too assuming you have the flash player trusted locations set for wherever your viewing from try the attached index.htm and embedDiv.rlm in your test file.
I think there's a difference with the index.htm file xerte current publishes?
HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 12:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have been testing embedDiv in desktop xerte both in a pageTemplates project and as an individual page template. To test I have published the project and then simply opened index.htm in a browser. I have no web server running on my PC. I am assuming that the javascript that makes the page work is running in the browser and does not therefor require a web server.

This I believe would rule out mime types as being an issue.

The url I used was the guardian home page as indicated in an earlier post and this worked fine for Julian, so spaces in file names should not be an issue.

Has anyone tested embedDiv in a pageTemplates desktop Xerte project and then been able to publish the project, open the page in a browser and view the embedded content, in a situation in which they are not using a web server?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 11:53, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi all
firstly apologies for what will be a long message and also I decided it would be better to continue to discuss this on the dev list rather than the main list hope that's ok...

I'm a big fan of the embed content page because it addresses one of the barriers a lot of people come up with about not being able to embed their favourite web 2 sites/resources etc to big thanks to whoever contributed to this!

So anyway to continue this thread and Jonthan's tests I've been testing and comparing files and versions and I think Julian indicated the most up-to-date embedDiv.rlm is in the xerte svn rather than xot svn. However I could easily be wrong but from my tests I don't think that's the case. I'm assuming that the code in embedDiv.rlm and it's dependencies evolved since it was first added and I think at first the window size was fixed regardless of LO screen size setting and at some point Julian or Pat or someone else? improved this  so that the embed window reflected the LO screen size setting. From my tests this works great with one possible caveat that I'll cover below but first the difference between the current xerte embedDiv.rlm and the current XOT embedDiv.rlm. I think the latter is newer and the correct/best version and the crucial difference is shown in the attached txt file.

The other key issue from my tests is what happens when an XOT LO using the embed content or new window page is exported. Here's the result of my tests:

\website_code\php\scorm\scorm_library.php is what creates the index.htm which is part of the normal zip export

As far as I can tell it does this by opening \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and renaming that as index.htm and adding to the zip

When exporting as scorm a similar thing happens but in this case it's \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm that get's opened and made part of the exported zip

So at the moment when exporting from XOT as either normal zip or scorm zip the embed content and new window pages don't work because \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm don't currently contain the relevant window code.

When previewing or playing via xot the embed content and new window pages work because the required window code is in \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top

The quickest solution is to add the relevant code from \modules\xerte\preview_xerte_top to both \modules\xerte\player\rloObject.htm and \modules\xerte\scorm\scormRLO.htm These then get exported as part of the zip and include the code to make the pages work. As well as the window and div code there's a line towards the end of the files that also needs to be in place: <div id="popup_parent"/>

I've added the code to both these pages and tested and it seems to work fine. I could commit those changes to the XOT svn but have attached all the files here for Pat or someone else to check and verify before doing so. Especially in case I'm wrong about all this or if there are other versions/revisions flying around?

The one issue I have found with this and it may be unique to my IE 8 is that when first viewed the embed content page window isn't the correct size in IE when the default LO screen size is anything but fill window. However it works fine when the windows size is changed and it works fine regardless of LO screen size in Firefox and Safari. To test this view http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 and use the toc to navigate to the embed content example on page 29. On my Windows 7 laptop it works fine in Firefox and Safari but in IE 8 the embed window is much larger than the default 800 x 600 LO until changing the screen size option and then navigating away from and back to that page. Is it the same for you in IE? Is there a fix? Before someone says it a fix other than "don't use IE!" ;-)

HTH
Ron





From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 January 2012 14:04

To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page

I have the Opera javascript console enabled and it displays errors from a test script. However when I view the embed content page in a xerte published project there are no errors displayed. The project displays but there is simply no content embeded.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 January 2012 13:43, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
any JS errors?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Kemp Johnathan
<johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
> Yep,
>
> I found the javascript in index.htm of my published project, but I can't get
> the page to work.
>
> I have created a simple test javascript page with a couple of document.write
> statements and an alert popup and they work, so javascript is definitely
> running in the browser.
>
> So I am some what stumped as far as testing the page goes.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 31 January 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>>
>> In index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 12:32
>>
>>
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just compared the content of the rlm file from pageTemplates with
>> that of the XOT svn dated 13/12/2011 (which I downloaded as part of a so far
>> unsuccessful attempt to get toolkits running.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some differences which I have now added to my rlm file for the
>> individual page template, but the page continues to fail to display in
>> either Opera or Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem lies in the line
>>
>>
>>
>> callJS('makePopUp', params);
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the javascript located? Is it part of swfObject, or a separate
>> file?
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect the problem is mainly one of not having access to the
>> javascript?
>>
>> So where would I find the relevant javascript files in the XOT svn folders
>> and where would I need to install them in a standalone Xerte installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 11:46, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having said that it works in toolkits here. Not sure about local.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:45
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> Just works here...
>>
>>
>>
>> Error! Filename not specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 31 January 2012 11:43
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Embed content page
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get the embed content page to work
>>
>> I have created a page in a pagetemplates project and entered into the url
>> the value
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> However when I preview the page the content is empty. I suspect the page
>> may only work in published projects so I then published the project.
>>
>> I have opened the project in both Opera and Internet Explorer and no
>> content displays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I entering the content incorrectly in Embed code or url field of the
>> form.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone suggest a value I can use that is known to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:51:22 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Just doing it now.

I think it makes sense to have a sections attribute that defines the sections in the xwd, and then each element can be a member of a particular section, then each section can be toggled on or off. So then you could have properties that belong to default, advanced, super-advanced sections of the form.

We've got some wizards that could get pretty hectic (mapping components) but could also be very simple for a simple map.

What do you think?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 14:03
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am guessing that what you are talking about here is a modification to the code that implements the processing of xwd files, to add this functionality.

It certainly sounds like following option a) discussed above, but with the capability to hide / show the display text fields is the way to go.

I will defer any further work on the internationalisation of the customHotspots page for now. If you, or a colleague, could implement the functionality you mentioned above, then I will be happy to test it out on a new form for the customHotspots page.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
No, but could do it easily: just in the same option="true" works, so could displayText="true" and by default not show those controls; then the users selects 'show display text' box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.

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Sent: 02 February 2012 13:24

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use in xwd files?

I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value of a field in the form.

It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.

If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you have any examples that would point me in the right direction?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

a)      Yes.

Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text fields?

Then in the xwd we can say 'isDisplaytext' and in the wizard check before adding the control?' Have it toggleable by the user?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 11:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would be the preference for the Xerte project?

a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of the form so that the author can edit them.

b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form, but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages xml data.

I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hmm. Not sure. That's a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed - it's there as a placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can't be stored as an attribute because of the formatting.

The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing stuff...

<node>
  <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the drawing.
  <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
</node>

...and I'm not sure how that's going to work in the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 01 February 2012 19:32

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title" text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00" lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random" numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  2 15:48:54 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:48:54 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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OK, in the attached wizard, there is a check box along the bottom 'show advanced' which toggles the advanced controls.

I haven't done 'n' sections (yet)

Then in the xwd you can do advanced="true".

If you do divider="true" on the first control, you'll split the form into sections,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:39
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

No, but could do it easily: just in the same option="true" works, so could displayText="true" and by default not show those controls; then the users selects 'show display text' box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:24
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use in xwd files?

I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value of a field in the form.

It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.

If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you have any examples that would point me in the right direction?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

a)      Yes.

Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text fields?

Then in the xwd we can say 'isDisplaytext' and in the wizard check before adding the control?' Have it toggleable by the user?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 11:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would be the preference for the Xerte project?

a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of the form so that the author can edit them.

b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form, but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages xml data.

I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hmm. Not sure. That's a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed - it's there as a placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can't be stored as an attribute because of the formatting.

The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing stuff...

<node>
  <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the drawing.
  <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
</node>

...and I'm not sure how that's going to work in the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 01 February 2012 19:32

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title" text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00" lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random" numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

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Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb  3 09:30:20 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:30:20 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not
able to respond to you sooner.

I have taken a quick look at the new wizard swf file and it works in that
it displays the "advanced" check box at the bottom of the form. However as
yet I have not been able to get it to hide and show a section of the form,
so I must be doing something wrong somewhere.

I haven?t done ?n? sections (yet)

I was thinking about the use of the "advanced" tick box last night in bed
and I found myself wondering how this would work when you had several
sections in a single form. I presume it would be a case of opening all
hidden sections at the same time, or hiding them all at the same time.

I have no idea whether the xwd file operation is predominantly bespoke or
based on pre-existing functionality offered by flash, so I don't know how
feasible my thoughts would be to put into practice. What I had imagined was
the xwd form might work something as follows.

Just as you have the info tag that does not output anything to the xml file
I imagined a tag perhaps called section which might be applied to the
customHotspots as follows

<customHotspots menu="Interactivity" menuItem="Interactive Diagram" hint="A
more complex hotspot based-diagram" icon="icCustomHotspot"
menu="Interactivity" thumb="" type="drawing" label="Edit Diagram"
remove="true">
<name label="Name" type="TextInput"/>
<section label="Page Information" open="true">
<text label="Page Text" type="TextArea" height="200"/>
<highlightColour label="Highlight Colour" type="ColourPicker"
defaultValue="0xFFFF00"/>
<lineWidth label="Highlight Width" type="NumericStepper" min="0" max="5"
step="1" defaultValue="1"/>
<interactivity label="Interactivity" options="Hotspots,Labels,Show Me,MCQ"
type="ComboBox" data="Hotspots,Labels,Show Me,MCQ" defaultValue="Hotspots"
width="100"/>
<showShapes label="Show Shapes" type="CheckBox" defaultValue="true"/>
</section>
<section label="Display Text" open="false">
<hotspotsTxt label="Hotspots text" type="textInput" />
<labelsTxt label="Labels text" type="textInput" />
<showMeTxt label="Show Me text" type="textInput" />
<regionsTxt label="Show Regions text" type="textInput" />
<nextTxt label="Next Button Label" type="textInput" />
<priorTxt label="Prior Button Label" type="textInput" />
</section>
<narrationNavigate label="Navigate on narration" type="CheckBox"
defaultValue="false" optional="true"/>
<playNarration label="Auto-play narration" type="CheckBox"
defaultValue="false" optional="true"/>
<narration label="Narration" type="media" optional="true"/>
<pageID label="Page ID" defaultValue="Enter a unique ID so that Routed
Pages can find this page" type="TextInput" optional="true" />

</customHotspots>

A section tag would display the label value. If the open value was true the
controls contained in the section would be displayed and a minus button
displayed next to the section label.
If the open value was false then the section label would be displayed with
a plus button next to it but none of the contained controls would be
displayed.
The buttons would serve to toggle the individual sections open and closed.

I have no idea if this is feasible, but it does give a fairly clear idea of
the functionality I was thinking off. I guess the optional properties would
continue to appear at the top of the form under the name property.
If this was implemented the form creator would have to be careful to ensure
that the listing of the data items in the new node entry was in the same
order as the listing of the controls in the main data definition, so that
controls from one section could not be mixed in with the controls from
another section.

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 2 February 2012 15:48, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> OK, in the attached wizard, there is a check box along the bottom ?show
> advanced? which toggles the advanced controls.
>
>
>
> I haven?t done ?n? sections (yet)
>
>
>
> Then in the xwd you can do advanced=?true?.
>
>
>
> If you do divider=?true? on the first control, you?ll split the form into
> sections,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:39
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> No, but could do it easily: just in the same option=?true? works, so could
> displayText=?true? and by default not show those controls; then the users
> selects ?show display text? box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:24
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use
> in xwd files?
>
>
>
> I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value
> of a field in the form.
>
>
>
> It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able
> to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand
> or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.
>
>
>
> If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you
> have any examples that would point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> a)      Yes.
>
>
>
> Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text
> fields?
>
>
>
> Then in the xwd we can say ?isDisplaytext? and in the wizard check before
> adding the control?? Have it toggleable by the user?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 11:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would
> be the preference for the Xerte project?
>
>
>
> a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with
> existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a
> rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of
> the form so that the author can edit them.
>
>
>
> b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form,
> but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit
> project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages
> xml data.
>
>
>
> I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm. Not sure. That?s a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed ? it?s there as a
> placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push
> xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can?t be
> stored as an attribute because of the formatting.
>
>
>
> The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing
> stuff?
>
>
>
> <node>
>
>   <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the
> drawing.
>
>   <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
>
> </node>
>
>
>
> ?and I?m not sure how that?s going to work in the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 19:32
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.
>
>
>
> If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to
> "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".
>
>
>
> The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in
> blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd
> files
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title"
> text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00"
> lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA
> </customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no
> CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random"
> numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide
> instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears
> essential for holding the drawing data.
>
>
>
> However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the
> presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items
> to the page.
>
>
>
> I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the
> xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display
> at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as
>
>
>
> [type Function][type Function]
>
>
>
> The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in
> the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information
> for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child
> item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the
> form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.
>
>
>
> Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can
> be added?
>
>
>
> The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the
> model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various
> parts to learn more".
>
> To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author
> modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item
> that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add
> them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can
> just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to
> allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make
> them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form
> as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates
> the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.
>
>
>
> Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I?ll add in a brief instruction for this page
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 13:04
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the
> xwd.
>
>
>
> It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> There was a bug ? it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the
> diagram.  It?s fixed in the attached version.
>
>
>
> On a different point, I hadn?t looked at this page type before and it took
> me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each
> part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing
> until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and
> is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some
> instructions with it ? can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 13:24
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but
> find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page
> just stops responding on preview.
>
>
>
> Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?
>
>
>
> I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual
> page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived
> from the contents in templates.xwd.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:08:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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Add advanced="true" to a node to have to it not display unless the checkbox is ticked: this is the node I was testing with:
<zoom type="TextInput" label="Zoom" advanced="true" divider="true"/>

Here it is on a mapping page I'm working on. I think 'advanced' will do for now, but could see a scenario where we have more than one sort of 'advanced', i.e. truly advanced options, say for a map, that do stuff people wouldn't normally want to do; and display text, which exposes the stuff you're dealing with. It could work the same way (the .xwd format is entirely my own devising, nothing to do with flash).

So, we could define sections as we do for menus in the root node of the xwd. Then the wizard would create a checkbox for those sections (or other interface thing). When the form is drawn, the logic just says 'ah, this is advanced - should I show it or not?'

It would be more flexible if the xwd author could define the section names, sections="advanced,display text" for example. Then a checkbox can be created for each section. Easy enough I think. You would define sections for the whole xwd though, so maybe there are issues if you later try to build a big toolkits xwd from lots of small ones that define lots of sections...? I'm going to have a go at setting it this way, even if we only end up using one section. The label for the checkbox would be 'Show ' + sectionName. There's only really enough space for maybe three checkboxes: I'm not sure how else to do the interface thing...

Or shall we just stick with advanced, and use dividers to split up different sections visually?


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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 03 February 2012 09:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner.

I have taken a quick look at the new wizard swf file and it works in that it displays the "advanced" check box at the bottom of the form. However as yet I have not been able to get it to hide and show a section of the form, so I must be doing something wrong somewhere.

I haven't done 'n' sections (yet)

I was thinking about the use of the "advanced" tick box last night in bed and I found myself wondering how this would work when you had several sections in a single form. I presume it would be a case of opening all hidden sections at the same time, or hiding them all at the same time.

I have no idea whether the xwd file operation is predominantly bespoke or based on pre-existing functionality offered by flash, so I don't know how feasible my thoughts would be to put into practice. What I had imagined was the xwd form might work something as follows.

Just as you have the info tag that does not output anything to the xml file I imagined a tag perhaps called section which might be applied to the customHotspots as follows

<customHotspots menu="Interactivity" menuItem="Interactive Diagram" hint="A more complex hotspot based-diagram" icon="icCustomHotspot" menu="Interactivity" thumb="" type="drawing" label="Edit Diagram" remove="true">
<name label="Name" type="TextInput"/>
<section label="Page Information" open="true">
<text label="Page Text" type="TextArea" height="200"/>
<highlightColour label="Highlight Colour" type="ColourPicker" defaultValue="0xFFFF00"/>
<lineWidth label="Highlight Width" type="NumericStepper" min="0" max="5" step="1" defaultValue="1"/>
<interactivity label="Interactivity" options="Hotspots,Labels,Show Me,MCQ" type="ComboBox" data="Hotspots,Labels,Show Me,MCQ" defaultValue="Hotspots" width="100"/>
<showShapes label="Show Shapes" type="CheckBox" defaultValue="true"/>
</section>
<section label="Display Text" open="false">
<hotspotsTxt label="Hotspots text" type="textInput" />
<labelsTxt label="Labels text" type="textInput" />
<showMeTxt label="Show Me text" type="textInput" />
<regionsTxt label="Show Regions text" type="textInput" />
<nextTxt label="Next Button Label" type="textInput" />
<priorTxt label="Prior Button Label" type="textInput" />
</section>
<narrationNavigate label="Navigate on narration" type="CheckBox" defaultValue="false" optional="true"/>
<playNarration label="Auto-play narration" type="CheckBox" defaultValue="false" optional="true"/>
<narration label="Narration" type="media" optional="true"/>
<pageID label="Page ID" defaultValue="Enter a unique ID so that Routed Pages can find this page" type="TextInput" optional="true" />

</customHotspots>

A section tag would display the label value. If the open value was true the controls contained in the section would be displayed and a minus button displayed next to the section label.
If the open value was false then the section label would be displayed with a plus button next to it but none of the contained controls would be displayed.
The buttons would serve to toggle the individual sections open and closed.

I have no idea if this is feasible, but it does give a fairly clear idea of the functionality I was thinking off. I guess the optional properties would continue to appear at the top of the form under the name property.
If this was implemented the form creator would have to be careful to ensure that the listing of the data items in the new node entry was in the same order as the listing of the controls in the main data definition, so that controls from one section could not be mixed in with the controls from another section.

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 2 February 2012 15:48, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, in the attached wizard, there is a check box along the bottom 'show advanced' which toggles the advanced controls.

I haven't done 'n' sections (yet)

Then in the xwd you can do advanced="true".

If you do divider="true" on the first control, you'll split the form into sections,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:39

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

No, but could do it easily: just in the same option="true" works, so could displayText="true" and by default not show those controls; then the users selects 'show display text' box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 13:24
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use in xwd files?

I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value of a field in the form.

It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.

If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you have any examples that would point me in the right direction?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

a)      Yes.

Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text fields?

Then in the xwd we can say 'isDisplaytext' and in the wizard check before adding the control?' Have it toggleable by the user?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 February 2012 11:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would be the preference for the Xerte project?

a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of the form so that the author can edit them.

b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form, but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages xml data.

I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hmm. Not sure. That's a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed - it's there as a placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can't be stored as an attribute because of the formatting.

The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing stuff...

<node>
  <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the drawing.
  <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
</node>

...and I'm not sure how that's going to work in the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 01 February 2012 19:32

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.

If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".

The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd files

<newNodes>
<customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title" text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00" lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA</customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
</newNodes>

Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.

<newNodes>
<quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random" numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
</newNodes>

I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears essential for holding the drawing data.

However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items to the page.

I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as

[type Function][type Function]

The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.

Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can be added?

The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various parts to learn more".
To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.

Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks, I'll add in a brief instruction for this page

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 01 February 2012 13:04

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the xwd.

It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 01 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

There was a bug - it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the diagram.  It's fixed in the attached version.

On a different point, I hadn't looked at this page type before and it took me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some instructions with it - can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 30 January 2012 13:24
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)

I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page just stops responding on preview.

Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?

I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived from the contents in templates.xwd.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb  3 11:14:44 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:14:44 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
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As I see it the main problem that we are seeking a solution for is that
there are more data items at a particular level in a page definition than
there is space to display the controls in the form window.

This perhaps raises a few questions

   1. How many separate data items are we likely to need to be able to deal
   with in a single page of a form?
   2. How many meaningful sections could the data be organised into?
   3. Can we come up with a set of titles for these sections that would
   make sense for most people for most forms?

Regarding question 1. The best current guide to this may be which is the
largest page form we have thus far, but if we can build in an overhead to
cope with even bigger forms then so much the better. This becomes less of
an issue the more sections you have available in which to organise your
form controls.

Regarding question 2. Thus far most forms have managed without the need for
sections. Only recently it seems have forms threatened to get larger than
their display space as a result of internationalisation and the increasing
sophistication of the pages being created. I am wary of a solution that has
a built in maximum number of sections if we are talking about a maximum of
three, which appears to be the restriction imposed by having check boxes
along the bottom of the form. It may be that a maximum of 5 or 6 would
provide for all our current needs with room to spare, though it would not
surprise me that we ended up with more being requested once the feature was
available.

Regarding question 3. Candidates thus far appear to be "Advanced" and
"Display text", perhaps "Optional data" would be useful as well.
"Presentation" might be another. This raises the possibility of moving some
optional fields into a none optional section. There are several pages that
have around 6 optional properties excluding those relating to narration,
that might be managed in a more user friendly way by offering them all up
together in a single section.

So to sum up.

   - Dividers improve the visual presentation, but I think the key issue is
   about managing how many fields display in a form at the same time, so I
   think we need the ability to display / hide a specific section.
   - I am not sure if 3 sections will be enough. Could you use a menu for
   the sections instead of check boxes, so that you selected which section to
   open and it closed the other sections at the same time?
   - I recognise the need to have consistency over the naming of the
   sections, in the same way as you have consistency over the menus, so that
   individual page templates can be used to build a templates.xwd file.
   - It would make sense to deal with this now in a way that won't need
   revisiting later as internationalisation will result in multiple copies of
   the xwd files. The nightmare scenario would be to realise after the xwds
   have been translated into several languages that the section solution needs
   reworking.
   - If we end up with some limitations then we will still have improved
   functionality over the current forms. So I think it is a case of achieving
   the best balance of functionality against the time available to implement
   the solution and then sticking with it, and implementing it in the set of
   xwds that get used for internationalisation.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 3 February 2012 10:08, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Add advanced=?true? to a node to have to it not display unless the
> checkbox is ticked: this is the node I was testing with:
>
> <zoom type="TextInput" label="Zoom" advanced="true" divider="true"/>
>
>
>
> Here it is on a mapping page I?m working on. I think ?advanced? will do
> for now, but could see a scenario where we have more than one sort of
> ?advanced?, i.e. truly advanced options, say for a map, that do stuff
> people wouldn?t normally want to do; and display text, which exposes the
> stuff you?re dealing with. It could work the same way (the .xwd format is
> entirely my own devising, nothing to do with flash).
>
>
>
> So, we could define sections as we do for menus in the root node of the
> xwd. Then the wizard would create a checkbox for those sections (or other
> interface thing). When the form is drawn, the logic just says ?ah, this is
> advanced ? should I show it or not??
>
>
>
> It would be more flexible if the xwd author could define the section
> names, sections=?advanced,display text? for example. Then a checkbox can be
> created for each section. Easy enough I think. You would define sections
> for the whole xwd though, so maybe there are issues if you later try to
> build a big toolkits xwd from lots of small ones that define lots of
> sections?? I?m going to have a go at setting it this way, even if we only
> end up using one section. The label for the checkbox would be ?Show ? +
> sectionName. There?s only really enough space for maybe three checkboxes:
> I?m not sure how else to do the interface thing?
>
>
>
> Or shall we just stick with advanced, and use dividers to split up
> different sections visually?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 03 February 2012 09:30
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not
> able to respond to you sooner.
>
>
>
> I have taken a quick look at the new wizard swf file and it works in that
> it displays the "advanced" check box at the bottom of the form. However as
> yet I have not been able to get it to hide and show a section of the form,
> so I must be doing something wrong somewhere.
>
>
>
> I haven?t done ?n? sections (yet)
>
>
>
> I was thinking about the use of the "advanced" tick box last night in bed
> and I found myself wondering how this would work when you had several
> sections in a single form. I presume it would be a case of opening all
> hidden sections at the same time, or hiding them all at the same time.
>
>
>
> I have no idea whether the xwd file operation is predominantly bespoke or
> based on pre-existing functionality offered by flash, so I don't know how
> feasible my thoughts would be to put into practice. What I had imagined was
> the xwd form might work something as follows.
>
>
>
> Just as you have the info tag that does not output anything to the xml
> file I imagined a tag perhaps called section which might be applied to the
> customHotspots as follows
>
>
>
> <customHotspots menu="Interactivity" menuItem="Interactive Diagram"
> hint="A more complex hotspot based-diagram" icon="icCustomHotspot"
> menu="Interactivity" thumb="" type="drawing" label="Edit Diagram"
> remove="true">
> <name label="Name" type="TextInput"/>
>
> <section label="Page Information" open="true">
> <text label="Page Text" type="TextArea" height="200"/>
> <highlightColour label="Highlight Colour" type="ColourPicker"
> defaultValue="0xFFFF00"/>
> <lineWidth label="Highlight Width" type="NumericStepper" min="0" max="5"
> step="1" defaultValue="1"/>
> <interactivity label="Interactivity" options="Hotspots,Labels,Show Me,MCQ"
> type="ComboBox" data="Hotspots,Labels,Show Me,MCQ" defaultValue="Hotspots"
> width="100"/>
> <showShapes label="Show Shapes" type="CheckBox" defaultValue="true"/>
>
> </section>
>
> <section label="Display Text" open="false">
> <hotspotsTxt label="Hotspots text" type="textInput" />
> <labelsTxt label="Labels text" type="textInput" />
> <showMeTxt label="Show Me text" type="textInput" />
> <regionsTxt label="Show Regions text" type="textInput" />
> <nextTxt label="Next Button Label" type="textInput" />
> <priorTxt label="Prior Button Label" type="textInput" />
> </section>
> <narrationNavigate label="Navigate on narration" type="CheckBox"
> defaultValue="false" optional="true"/>
> <playNarration label="Auto-play narration" type="CheckBox"
> defaultValue="false" optional="true"/>
> <narration label="Narration" type="media" optional="true"/>
> <pageID label="Page ID" defaultValue="Enter a unique ID so that Routed
> Pages can find this page" type="TextInput" optional="true" />
>
> </customHotspots>
>
>
>
> A section tag would display the label value. If the open value was true
> the controls contained in the section would be displayed and a minus button
> displayed next to the section label.
>
> If the open value was false then the section label would be displayed with
> a plus button next to it but none of the contained controls would be
> displayed.
>
> The buttons would serve to toggle the individual sections open and closed.
>
>
>
> I have no idea if this is feasible, but it does give a fairly clear idea
> of the functionality I was thinking off. I guess the optional properties
> would continue to appear at the top of the form under the name property.
>
> If this was implemented the form creator would have to be careful to
> ensure that the listing of the data items in the new node entry was in the
> same order as the listing of the controls in the main data definition, so
> that controls from one section could not be mixed in with the controls from
> another section.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 15:48, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, in the attached wizard, there is a check box along the bottom ?show
> advanced? which toggles the advanced controls.
>
>
>
> I haven?t done ?n? sections (yet)
>
>
>
> Then in the xwd you can do advanced=?true?.
>
>
>
> If you do divider=?true? on the first control, you?ll split the form into
> sections,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:39
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> No, but could do it easily: just in the same option=?true? works, so could
> displayText=?true? and by default not show those controls; then the users
> selects ?show display text? box, flip the flag and rebuild the form.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 13:24
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Is the functionality you are referring to currently available in for use
> in xwd files?
>
>
>
> I am unaware that you can display fields in an xwd form based on the value
> of a field in the form.
>
>
>
> It would be useful to be able to break a form up into sections and be able
> to hide or display each section, in a similar way to being able to expand
> or collapse the structure of a page in the project tree.
>
>
>
> If any of this functionality is currently available to xwd forms, do you
> have any examples that would point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 12:21, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> a)      Yes.
>
>
>
> Maybe we should have an option in the wizad to display the display text
> fields?
>
>
>
> Then in the xwd we can say ?isDisplaytext? and in the wizard check before
> adding the control?? Have it toggleable by the user?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 February 2012 11:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Assuming the approach you refer to above could be made to work, what would
> be the preference for the Xerte project?
>
>
>
> a) The page as it operates now, offering backward compatibility with
> existing toolkit projects customHotspot pages, but at a cost of having a
> rather long form with all the display text strings listed at the bottom of
> the form so that the author can edit them.
>
>
>
> b) A redesigned form that kept the display text in a separate sub form,
> but at a cost of losing backward compatibility with existing toolkit
> project based customHotspot pages, due to structural changes in the pages
> xml data.
>
>
>
> I'm guessing option a) but its not my call to make.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 February 2012 08:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm. Not sure. That?s a bit tricky. The CDATA is needed ? it?s there as a
> placeholder to force the node to be a text node; without it, you can push
> xml into the nodeValue, and the custom hotspots is xml data. It can?t be
> stored as an attribute because of the formatting.
>
>
>
> The answer is to re-jig the nodes slightly, but this might break existing
> stuff?
>
>
>
> <node>
>
>   <payload>CDATA</payload> //a text node for the xml describing the
> drawing.
>
>   <children/> //children get added to this, not the page
>
> </node>
>
>
>
> ?and I?m not sure how that?s going to work in the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 19:32
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Thank you for figuring out what was wrong with the mcq part of the page.
>
>
>
> If you check your model file you will find a couple of references to
> "hotspotImage" that should be "customHotspots".
>
>
>
> The format of the xwd newNode line with the inclusion of CDATA (shown in
> blue) to receive the drawing information is different to most other xwd
> files
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <customHotspots><![CDATA[<customHotspots name="Enter Page Title"
> text="Enter text for the page here" highlightColour="0xFFFF00"
> lineWidth="1" interactivity="Hotspots" showShapes="true">CDATA
> </customHotspots>]]></customHotspots>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> Compared for example to the quiz page equivalent in which there is no
> CDATA entry between the main block and the ending </quiz> tag.
>
>
>
> <newNodes>
> <quiz><![CDATA[<quiz name="Enter Quiz Title" order="random"
> numQuestions="All" align="left" panelWidth="Medium" instructions="Provide
> instructions here" judge="true" feedback="Provide feedback here"/>]]></quiz>
> </newNodes>
>
>
>
> I have performed tests, trying to remove the CDATA but it appears
> essential for holding the drawing data.
>
>
>
> However this in itself appears to be creating an issue in that the
> presence of the CDATA entry prevents the addition of any child data items
> to the page.
>
>
>
> I have tried adding a child item and what happens in the display of the
> xwd form is that the child item is preceded in the page structure display
> at the left of the form by a prior entry which lists as
>
>
>
> [type Function][type Function]
>
>
>
> The child entry is displayed below this and the child data is displayed in
> the form's right-hand panel. However on closing the form the information
> for the child item is lost. If you re-order the sequence so that the child
> item is above the [type Function][type Function] entry, then on closing the
> form the child data is saved but the drawing data is lost.
>
>
>
> Do you know of any way we could get around this so that a child item can
> be added?
>
>
>
> The page contains quite a number of display text that is built into the
> model. e.g. "question 1 of 3", "Explore the diagram, click on the various
> parts to learn more".
>
> To internationalise the page I need to put this text in an author
> modifiable format in the xwd form. I would prefer to have a newNode item
> that could present a form for this data. There are to many entries to add
> them to the main form without producing a very lengthy form. I know I can
> just add the data items to the newNode line for the page but I want also to
> allow the Author to be able to change the default values. I cannot make
> them simply optional properties as they will all display in the main form
> as soon as I include the default values in the newNodes line that creates
> the page. Further I don't want the author to be able to delete the values.
>
>
>
> Anyone any ideas how a child node could be added to this page?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 1 February 2012 14:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I?ll add in a brief instruction for this page
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 13:04
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> Add info using <info><![CDATA[Here is page of some stuff]]></info> in the
> xwd.
>
>
>
> It shows in blue text at the bottom of the wizard.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 01 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> There was a bug ? it only worked if you had at least 4 things in the
> diagram.  It?s fixed in the attached version.
>
>
>
> On a different point, I hadn?t looked at this page type before and it took
> me a ridiculously long time to work out how to add the text to go with each
> part of the diagram.  I was convinced there was a new nodes bit missing
> until I found where to put it.  Am I just being a bit slow this morning and
> is it clear to everyone else? Or do you think it needs to have some
> instructions with it ? can you add explanatory text to a page in the wizard?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 30 January 2012 13:24
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)
>
>
>
> I am about to start extracting the language strings from the rlm file but
> find during prior testing that if I select the mcq option that the page
> just stops responding on preview.
>
>
>
> Is this a known bug? What is supposed to happen?
>
>
>
> I have tested this both in a Page Templates project and in an individual
> page template project using the customHotspots.rlm file and an xwd derived
> from the contents in templates.xwd.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Fri Feb  3 20:20:05 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 20:20:05 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] another glossary question...
Message-ID: <014201cce2b1$39c19b20$ad44d160$@co.uk>

Hi Julian

following on from the questions about glossary on the main list - I didn't
want to confuse that thread so have posted here instead...

 

Is the optional learning object icon glossary property in a xerte or XOT
page templates project meant to be working? I've added that, added a few
terms and also tried adding Glossry.enabled = true; to the .rlt but can't
seem to get it to work.

 

Cheers

Ron

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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb  4 13:22:10 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:22:10 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Table page entry in template.xwd
Message-ID: <CABtG3=XC8gm6VhXb9U57sbdNLvKqL-1E4yz5a3b1r=2WO4n=QA@mail.gmail.com>

I have just updated my copy of the svn and noted a change in the table page
definition in templates/pageTemplates/template.xwd

The original entry

<name type="TextInput" label="Page Title"/>
<text type="TextArea" height="300" width="380" label="Text"/>
<align type="ComboBox" label="Align Text" options="left,right,top,bottom"
width="100"/>

now reads

<name type="TextInput" label="Page Title"/>
<align type="ComboBox" label="Align Text" options="left,right,top,bottom"
width="100"/>

However the table.rlm file continues to refer to table[0].text in line 285
as the text value for the text Icon "mainText"

Is this correct?

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb  6 09:38:53 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:38:53 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: another glossary question...
In-Reply-To: <014201cce2b1$39c19b20$ad44d160$@co.uk>
References: <014201cce2b1$39c19b20$ad44d160$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA178C2C2@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

No, there's no code to handle the glossary in the rlt. I'll add some and test it out: I'm worried I decided against for some good reason, because I must have gone down the road at least some way, but it escapes me now...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 03 February 2012 20:20
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] another glossary question...

Hi Julian
following on from the questions about glossary on the main list - I didn't want to confuse that thread so have posted here instead...

Is the optional learning object icon glossary property in a xerte or XOT page templates project meant to be working? I've added that, added a few terms and also tried adding Glossry.enabled = true; to the .rlt but can't seem to get it to work.

Cheers
Ron
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb  6 09:51:46 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: another glossary question...
In-Reply-To: <014201cce2b1$39c19b20$ad44d160$@co.uk>
References: <014201cce2b1$39c19b20$ad44d160$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA178C2F1@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

pop this in at the bottom of 'makePages'

//glossary
if (templateData.learningObject[0].glossary != undefined){
  Glossary.enabled = true;
  items = templateData.learningObject[0].glossary.split('||');
  for (i = 0; i < items.length; i++){
    Glossary.addTerm(items[i].split('|')[0], items[i].split('|')[1]);
  }
}

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 03 February 2012 20:20
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] another glossary question...

Hi Julian
following on from the questions about glossary on the main list - I didn't want to confuse that thread so have posted here instead...

Is the optional learning object icon glossary property in a xerte or XOT page templates project meant to be working? I've added that, added a few terms and also tried adding Glossry.enabled = true; to the .rlt but can't seem to get it to work.

Cheers
Ron
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From Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb  8 09:02:45 2012
From: Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk (Fay Cross)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:02:45 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Table page entry in template.xwd
In-Reply-To: <CABtG3=XC8gm6VhXb9U57sbdNLvKqL-1E4yz5a3b1r=2WO4n=QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABtG3=XC8gm6VhXb9U57sbdNLvKqL-1E4yz5a3b1r=2WO4n=QA@mail.gmail.com>
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I've just added that line back in - thanks for letting us know

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 04 February 2012 13:22
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Table page entry in template.xwd

I have just updated my copy of the svn and noted a change in the table page definition in templates/pageTemplates/template.xwd

The original entry

<name type="TextInput" label="Page Title"/>
<text type="TextArea" height="300" width="380" label="Text"/>
<align type="ComboBox" label="Align Text" options="left,right,top,bottom" width="100"/>

now reads

<name type="TextInput" label="Page Title"/>
<align type="ComboBox" label="Align Text" options="left,right,top,bottom" width="100"/>

However the table.rlm file continues to refer to table[0].text in line 285 as the text value for the text Icon "mainText"

Is this correct?

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  9 08:59:25 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:59:25 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA168247D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <010c01ccdc49$8cc89260$a659b720$@co.uk>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA11CC3F8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<007501ccdcd9$794264b0$6bc72e10$@co.uk>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA168246B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<CAO2PinObpVuyS4BRMk58K==7X3FUpS0nDePA9oBSvYKY9qQjug@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Julian
most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis
yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with
a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error
- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.

Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select
the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read
but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't
remember and it would be good if it did.

HTH
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Do I need to update anything?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> This is fixed now.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
>
>
>
> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed 
> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as 
> table of contents.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 
> Tenney
> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
>
>
>
> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good 
> to know what happens with the files from the svn.
>
>
>
> I'll check it out though.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of 
> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with 
> used the Notting page_560 example 
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560
> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120
>
>
>
> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of 
> navigation elements...
>
>
>
> on the 560 lo
>
> table of contents is read as "undefined"
>
> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read
>
> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"
>
>
>
> on 120 lo
>
> toc and continue get read correctly
>
> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read
>
>
>
> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this 
> error may have crept in recently?
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  9 12:04:36 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:04:36 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
In-Reply-To: <001c01cce709$21a70e60$64f52b20$@co.uk>
References: <010c01ccdc49$8cc89260$a659b720$@co.uk>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA11CC3F8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<007501ccdcd9$794264b0$6bc72e10$@co.uk>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA168246B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<CAO2PinObpVuyS4BRMk58K==7X3FUpS0nDePA9oBSvYKY9qQjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA168247D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<001c01cce709$21a70e60$64f52b20$@co.uk>
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> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out
Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with the mouse? 
Do they work ok when you tab to them..?

I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Hi Julian
most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis
yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with
a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error
- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.

Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select
the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read
but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't
remember and it would be good if it did.

HTH
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Do I need to update anything?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> This is fixed now.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
>
>
>
> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed 
> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as 
> table of contents.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 
> Tenney
> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
>
>
>
> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good 
> to know what happens with the files from the svn.
>
>
>
> I'll check it out though.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of 
> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with 
> used the Notting page_560 example 
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560
> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120
>
>
>
> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of 
> navigation elements...
>
>
>
> on the 560 lo
>
> table of contents is read as "undefined"
>
> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read
>
> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"
>
>
>
> on 120 lo
>
> toc and continue get read correctly
>
> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read
>
>
>
> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this 
> error may have crept in recently?
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee 
> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this 
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  9 12:38:43 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:38:43 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA187B20C@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <010c01ccdc49$8cc89260$a659b720$@co.uk>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA11CC3F8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<007501ccdcd9$794264b0$6bc72e10$@co.uk>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA168246B@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<CAO2PinObpVuyS4BRMk58K==7X3FUpS0nDePA9oBSvYKY9qQjug@mail.gmail.com>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA168247D@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<001c01cce709$21a70e60$64f52b20$@co.uk>
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Yes - try it - with TTS on clicking either of those 3 buttons reads out what
sounds like NaN on my system.
Works the same way on your 560 example
I guess it could be an oddity with the Ivona voices I've installed but seems
unlikely.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 09 February 2012 12:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out
Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with
the mouse? 
Do they work ok when you tab to them..?

I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Hi Julian
most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis
yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with
a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error
- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.

Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select
the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read
but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't
remember and it would be good if it did.

HTH
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Do I need to update anything?

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> This is fixed now.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
>
>
>
> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed 
> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as 
> table of contents.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 
> Tenney
> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
>
>
>
> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good 
> to know what happens with the files from the svn.
>
>
>
> I'll check it out though.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of 
> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with 
> used the Notting page_560 example
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560
> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120
>
>
>
> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of 
> navigation elements...
>
>
>
> on the 560 lo
>
> table of contents is read as "undefined"
>
> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read
>
> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"
>
>
>
> on 120 lo
>
> toc and continue get read correctly
>
> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read
>
>
>
> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this 
> error may have crept in recently?
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Feb  9 14:02:01 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:02:01 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
In-Reply-To: <00fd01cce727$c420da90$4c628fb0$@co.uk>
References: <010c01ccdc49$8cc89260$a659b720$@co.uk>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA11CC3F8@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<007501ccdcd9$794264b0$6bc72e10$@co.uk>
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	<001c01cce709$21a70e60$64f52b20$@co.uk>
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So this is using 'normal' TTS. OK. I can't see what the issue is: in the engine there is no code to speak in onRelease for the button, and the accessibility properties are set a al the code below, which as far as I recall, should cover it all:



      this.nextBtn._x = x+w-30;

      this.nextBtn._y = y+h-30;

      this.nextBtn.onRelease = function() {

            this._parent.nextPage();

      };

      this.nextBtn.tabIndex = getTabIndex();

      var col = new Color(this.nextBtn);

      col.setRGB(STYLES.statusTextColour);

      this.nextBtn.onSetFocus = function() {

            speak(engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description);

      };

      this.nextBtn._accProps = new Object();

      this.nextBtn._accProps.name = engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description;

      Accessibility.updateProperties();



-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 12:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Yes - try it - with TTS on clicking either of those 3 buttons reads out what

sounds like NaN on my system.

Works the same way on your 560 example

I guess it could be an oddity with the Ivona voices I've installed but seems

unlikely.



-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 09 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out

Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with

the mouse?

Do they work ok when you tab to them..?



I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...



-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Hi Julian

most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis

yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with

a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error

- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.



Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select

the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read

but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't

remember and it would be good if it did.



HTH

Ron



-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in

it.



-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Do I need to update anything?



On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney

<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> This is fixed now.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron

> Mitchell

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

>

>

>

> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed

> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as

> table of contents.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian

> Tenney

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28

> To: For Xerte technical developers

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

>

>

>

> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good

> to know what happens with the files from the svn.

>

>

>

> I'll check it out though.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron

> Mitchell

> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error

>

>

>

> Hi all

>

> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of

> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with

> used the Notting page_560 example

> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560

> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected

> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120

>

>

>

> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of

> navigation elements...

>

>

>

> on the 560 lo

>

> table of contents is read as "undefined"

>

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

>

> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"

>

>

>

> on 120 lo

>

> toc and continue get read correctly

>

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

>

>

>

> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this

> error may have crept in recently?

>

>

>

> HTH

>

> Ron

>

>

>

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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Thu Feb  9 18:28:40 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:28:40 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] updated and new model answer files
Message-ID: <016d01cce758$a7470710$f5d51530$@co.uk>

Hi all

you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results
rlm's have now been committed.

Here's an example of how they work
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274

 

Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT if
it would help?

 

There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which
display within the content rather than the interface like:

The instruction and question on page 1 was:

Your response was:

The example answer was:

and so on...

 

Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the
interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only
seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which
displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is
there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?

 

Cheers

Ron

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Feb 10 09:02:42 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:02:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
In-Reply-To: <016d01cce758$a7470710$f5d51530$@co.uk>
References: <016d01cce758$a7470710$f5d51530$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA28BFBEE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

Did you add them to the main .xwd?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 18:29
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] updated and new model answer files

Hi all
you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results rlm's have now been committed.
Here's an example of how they work http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274

Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT if it would help?

There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which display within the content rather than the interface like:
The instruction and question on page 1 was:
Your response was:
The example answer was:
and so on...

Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?

Cheers
Ron
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Fri Feb 10 09:12:54 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:12:54 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA28BFBEE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
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Yes - why are you not seeing them?

.xwd

http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=468

model answer rlm

http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=470

results rlm

http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=467

jpg

http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=468

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 10 February 2012 09:03
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files

 

Did you add them to the main .xwd?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 18:29
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] updated and new model answer files

 

Hi all

you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results
rlm's have now been committed.

Here's an example of how they work
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274

 

Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT if
it would help?

 

There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which
display within the content rather than the interface like:

The instruction and question on page 1 was:

Your response was:

The example answer was:

and so on...

 

Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the
interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only
seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which
displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is
there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Feb 10 09:18:30 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:18:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
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Haven't updated my svn yet...!

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 10 February 2012 09:13
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files

Yes - why are you not seeing them?
.xwd
http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=468
model answer rlm
http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=470
results rlm
http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=467
jpg
http://code.google.com/p/xerte/source/detail?r=468

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 10 February 2012 09:03
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files

Did you add them to the main .xwd?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 18:29
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] updated and new model answer files

Hi all
you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results rlm's have now been committed.
Here's an example of how they work http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274

Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT if it would help?

There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which display within the content rather than the interface like:
The instruction and question on page 1 was:
Your response was:
The example answer was:
and so on...

Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?

Cheers
Ron


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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Fri Feb 10 13:26:55 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:26:55 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
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Here's what I get. Ivona voice sounds great but the NaN's are a bit odd...
http://www.screenr.com/nXVs

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 09 February 2012 14:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

So this is using 'normal' TTS. OK. I can't see what the issue is: in the
engine there is no code to speak in onRelease for the button, and the
accessibility properties are set a al the code below, which as far as I
recall, should cover it all:

 

      this.nextBtn._x = x+w-30;

      this.nextBtn._y = y+h-30;

      this.nextBtn.onRelease = function() {

            this._parent.nextPage();

      };

      this.nextBtn.tabIndex = getTabIndex();

      var col = new Color(this.nextBtn);

      col.setRGB(STYLES.statusTextColour);

      this.nextBtn.onSetFocus = function() {

            speak(engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description);

      };

      this.nextBtn._accProps = new Object();

      this.nextBtn._accProps.name =
engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description;

      Accessibility.updateProperties();

 

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 12:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Yes - try it - with TTS on clicking either of those 3 buttons reads out what

sounds like NaN on my system.

Works the same way on your 560 example

I guess it could be an oddity with the Ivona voices I've installed but seems

unlikely.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 09 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out

Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with

the mouse? 

Do they work ok when you tab to them..?

 

I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...

 

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Hi Julian

most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis

yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with

a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error

- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.

 

Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select

the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read

but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't

remember and it would be good if it did.

 

HTH

Ron

 

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in

it.

 

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Do I need to update anything?

 

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney

<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> This is fixed now.

> 

> 

> 

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 

> Mitchell

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

> 

> 

> 

> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed 

> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as 

> table of contents.

> 

> 

> 

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 

> Tenney

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28

> To: For Xerte technical developers

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

> 

> 

> 

> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good 

> to know what happens with the files from the svn.

> 

> 

> 

> I'll check it out though.

> 

> 

> 

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 

> Mitchell

> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error

> 

> 

> 

> Hi all

> 

> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of 

> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with 

> used the Notting page_560 example

> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560

> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected

> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120

> 

> 

> 

> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of 

> navigation elements...

> 

> 

> 

> on the 560 lo

> 

> table of contents is read as "undefined"

> 

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

> 

> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"

> 

> 

> 

> on 120 lo

> 

> toc and continue get read correctly

> 

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

> 

> 

> 

> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this 

> error may have crept in recently?

> 

> 

> 

> HTH

> 

> Ron

> 

> 

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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 10 15:10:43 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:10:43 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
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Hello Everyone,

"I had a look at the current language directory and that only seemed to
include interface items."

As far as the individual page templates go the development work is taking
place in the "pageWizards" folder of the xerte svn with the .rlm files in
the "models" folder and the wizard files in the "en" folder.

Tom has created the files that enable these models to be consumed by Xerte,
which I have obtained from his emails to the list. I can't recall where he
has uploaded them to the svn.

I will take a look at the modelAnswerResult page, and the updated
modelAnswer page, in the course of my updating work which will include
exposing all language strings included in the model file e.g. button labels
and tooltips, expressions such as "Question 1 of 8" in the page's xwd form.
This is done in such a way as to ensure the new models will be backward
compatible with existing XOT projects.

I take it the modelAnswer page replaces the original modelAnswer page. If
this is the case is it backward compatible with the original modelAnswer
page?

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 9 February 2012 18:28, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results
> rlm's have now been committed.
>
> Here's an example of how they work
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274
>
>
>
> Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT
> if it would help?
>
>
>
> There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which
> display within the content rather than the interface like:
>
> The instruction and question on page 1 was:
>
> Your response was:
>
> The example answer was:
>
> and so on...
>
>
>
> Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the
> interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only
> seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which
> displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is
> there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Fri Feb 10 15:22:13 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:22:13 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
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"I take it the modelAnswer page replaces the original modelAnswer page." 

yes 

 

"If this is the case is it backward compatible with the original modelAnswer
page?"

yes should be

there are two extra options in the xwd for changing button label and for
changing a feedback string but these won't break previous pages as they are
optional properties anyway.

 

btw you've mentioned button labels - the modle answer page now includes a
rough calculation which changes the button width based on the string entered
- I guess you're doing that to enable for different lengths with different
languages too?

 

HTH

Ron

 

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 10 February 2012 15:11
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files

 

Hello Everyone,

 

"I had a look at the current language directory and that only seemed to
include interface items."

 

As far as the individual page templates go the development work is taking
place in the "pageWizards" folder of the xerte svn with the .rlm files in
the "models" folder and the wizard files in the "en" folder.

 

Tom has created the files that enable these models to be consumed by Xerte,
which I have obtained from his emails to the list. I can't recall where he
has uploaded them to the svn.

 

I will take a look at the modelAnswerResult page, and the updated
modelAnswer page, in the course of my updating work which will include
exposing all language strings included in the model file e.g. button labels
and tooltips, expressions such as "Question 1 of 8" in the page's xwd form.
This is done in such a way as to ensure the new models will be backward
compatible with existing XOT projects.

 

I take it the modelAnswer page replaces the original modelAnswer page. If
this is the case is it backward compatible with the original modelAnswer
page?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 9 February 2012 18:28, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all

you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results
rlm's have now been committed.

Here's an example of how they work
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274

 

Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT if
it would help?

 

There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which
display within the content rather than the interface like:

The instruction and question on page 1 was:

Your response was:

The example answer was:

and so on...

 

Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the
interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only
seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which
displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is
there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 10 15:32:47 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
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"btw you've mentioned button labels - the modle answer page now includes a
rough calculation which changes the button width based on the string
entered - I guess you're doing that to enable for different lengths with
different languages too?"

I am exposing the button width to the form so that the page author can
adjust the width to suit the length of the label.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 10 February 2012 15:22, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> "I take it the modelAnswer page replaces the original modelAnswer page."
>
> yes
>
>
>
> "If this is the case is it backward compatible with the original
> modelAnswer page?"
>
> yes should be
>
> there are two extra options in the xwd for changing button label and for
> changing a feedback string but these won't break previous pages as they are
> optional properties anyway.
>
>
>
> btw you've mentioned button labels - the modle answer page now includes a
> rough calculation which changes the button width based on the string
> entered - I guess you're doing that to enable for different lengths with
> different languages too?
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 10 February 2012 15:11
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> "I had a look at the current language directory and that only seemed to
> include interface items."
>
>
>
> As far as the individual page templates go the development work is taking
> place in the "pageWizards" folder of the xerte svn with the .rlm files in
> the "models" folder and the wizard files in the "en" folder.
>
>
>
> Tom has created the files that enable these models to be consumed by
> Xerte, which I have obtained from his emails to the list. I can't recall
> where he has uploaded them to the svn.
>
>
>
> I will take a look at the modelAnswerResult page, and the updated
> modelAnswer page, in the course of my updating work which will include
> exposing all language strings included in the model file e.g. button labels
> and tooltips, expressions such as "Question 1 of 8" in the page's xwd form.
> This is done in such a way as to ensure the new models will be backward
> compatible with existing XOT projects.
>
>
>
> I take it the modelAnswer page replaces the original modelAnswer page. If
> this is the case is it backward compatible with the original modelAnswer
> page?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 February 2012 18:28, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results
> rlm's have now been committed.
>
> Here's an example of how they work
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274
>
>
>
> Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT
> if it would help?
>
>
>
> There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which
> display within the content rather than the interface like:
>
> The instruction and question on page 1 was:
>
> Your response was:
>
> The example answer was:
>
> and so on...
>
>
>
> Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the
> interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only
> seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which
> displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is
> there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:54:07 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
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Can you try and mock this up in a simple flash movie with a single button in it and see how we get around it? I don't have the screen reader software...

The only thing I can see is that we should also be setting _accProps.description: we are just setting _accProps.name.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 10 February 2012 13:27
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Here's what I get. Ivona voice sounds great but the NaN's are a bit odd... http://www.screenr.com/nXVs

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 09 February 2012 14:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error


So this is using 'normal' TTS. OK. I can't see what the issue is: in the engine there is no code to speak in onRelease for the button, and the accessibility properties are set a al the code below, which as far as I recall, should cover it all:



      this.nextBtn._x = x+w-30;

      this.nextBtn._y = y+h-30;

      this.nextBtn.onRelease = function() {

            this._parent.nextPage();

      };

      this.nextBtn.tabIndex = getTabIndex();

      var col = new Color(this.nextBtn);

      col.setRGB(STYLES.statusTextColour);

      this.nextBtn.onSetFocus = function() {

            speak(engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description);

      };

      this.nextBtn._accProps = new Object();

      this.nextBtn._accProps.name = engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description;

      Accessibility.updateProperties();



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 12:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Yes - try it - with TTS on clicking either of those 3 buttons reads out what

sounds like NaN on my system.

Works the same way on your 560 example

I guess it could be an oddity with the Ivona voices I've installed but seems

unlikely.



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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 09 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out

Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with

the mouse?

Do they work ok when you tab to them..?



I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...



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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Hi Julian

most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis

yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with

a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error

- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.



Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select

the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read

but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't

remember and it would be good if it did.



HTH

Ron



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in

it.



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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Do I need to update anything?



On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney

<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> This is fixed now.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron

> Mitchell

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

>

>

>

> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed

> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as

> table of contents.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian

> Tenney

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28

> To: For Xerte technical developers

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

>

>

>

> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good

> to know what happens with the files from the svn.

>

>

>

> I'll check it out though.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron

> Mitchell

> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error

>

>

>

> Hi all

>

> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of

> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with

> used the Notting page_560 example

> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560

> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected

> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120

>

>

>

> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of

> navigation elements...

>

>

>

> on the 560 lo

>

> table of contents is read as "undefined"

>

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

>

> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"

>

>

>

> on 120 lo

>

> toc and continue get read correctly

>

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

>

>

>

> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this

> error may have crept in recently?

>

>

>

> HTH

>

> Ron

>

>

>

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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 13 11:44:07 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:44:07 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
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I may have confused things here by referring to the Ivona voice - that's
simply the reason I was testing the TTS but this isn't a separate TTS
programme it's just additional voices I installed and tested using IE and
the built-in active x tts. The same thing happens on my machine with the
default Microsoft Sam voice so if you don't get the same think when viewing
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 with tts on and clicking the
next or previous buttons then maybe it's just something local to my machine.
I'll test with Windows 7 on my mac at some point and report back.

 

Meanwhile would be good if others could comment e.g. 

1. View http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560

2. Turn TTS on

3. Tab around to confirm TTS is working

4. What do you hear when you click next, previous and continue?

 

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 13 February 2012 10:54
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Can you try and mock this up in a simple flash movie with a single button in
it and see how we get around it? I don't have the screen reader software.

 

The only thing I can see is that we should also be setting
_accProps.description: we are just setting _accProps.name.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 10 February 2012 13:27
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Here's what I get. Ivona voice sounds great but the NaN's are a bit odd...
http://www.screenr.com/nXVs

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 09 February 2012 14:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

So this is using 'normal' TTS. OK. I can't see what the issue is: in the
engine there is no code to speak in onRelease for the button, and the
accessibility properties are set a al the code below, which as far as I
recall, should cover it all:

 

      this.nextBtn._x = x+w-30;

      this.nextBtn._y = y+h-30;

      this.nextBtn.onRelease = function() {

            this._parent.nextPage();

      };

      this.nextBtn.tabIndex = getTabIndex();

      var col = new Color(this.nextBtn);

      col.setRGB(STYLES.statusTextColour);

      this.nextBtn.onSetFocus = function() {

            speak(engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description);

      };

      this.nextBtn._accProps = new Object();

      this.nextBtn._accProps.name =
engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description;

      Accessibility.updateProperties();

 

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 12:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Yes - try it - with TTS on clicking either of those 3 buttons reads out what

sounds like NaN on my system.

Works the same way on your 560 example

I guess it could be an oddity with the Ivona voices I've installed but seems

unlikely.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 09 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out

Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with

the mouse? 

Do they work ok when you tab to them..?

 

I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...

 

-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Hi Julian

most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis

yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with

a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error

- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.

 

Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select

the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read

but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't

remember and it would be good if it did.

 

HTH

Ron

 

-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in

it.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

 

Do I need to update anything?

 

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney

<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> This is fixed now.

> 

> 

> 

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 

> Mitchell

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

> 

> 

> 

> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed 

> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as 

> table of contents.

> 

> 

> 

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 

> Tenney

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28

> To: For Xerte technical developers

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

> 

> 

> 

> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good 

> to know what happens with the files from the svn.

> 

> 

> 

> I'll check it out though.

> 

> 

> 

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 

> Mitchell

> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error

> 

> 

> 

> Hi all

> 

> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of 

> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with 

> used the Notting page_560 example

> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560

> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected

> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120

> 

> 

> 

> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of 

> navigation elements...

> 

> 

> 

> on the 560 lo

> 

> table of contents is read as "undefined"

> 

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

> 

> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"

> 

> 

> 

> on 120 lo

> 

> toc and continue get read correctly

> 

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

> 

> 

> 

> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this 

> error may have crept in recently?

> 

> 

> 

> HTH

> 

> Ron

> 

> 

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 13 12:09:39 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:09:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error
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With you now: yes, it happens here too. It didn't used to.

I have no idea what has changed, and cannot see any 'onRelease' stuff on those buttons that might be firing the speech. Hmm.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 13 February 2012 11:44
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

I may have confused things here by referring to the Ivona voice - that's simply the reason I was testing the TTS but this isn't a separate TTS programme it's just additional voices I installed and tested using IE and the built-in active x tts. The same thing happens on my machine with the default Microsoft Sam voice so if you don't get the same think when viewing http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 with tts on and clicking the next or previous buttons then maybe it's just something local to my machine. I'll test with Windows 7 on my mac at some point and report back.

Meanwhile would be good if others could comment e.g.
1. View http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560
2. Turn TTS on
3. Tab around to confirm TTS is working
4. What do you hear when you click next, previous and continue?

HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 13 February 2012 10:54
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Can you try and mock this up in a simple flash movie with a single button in it and see how we get around it? I don't have the screen reader software...

The only thing I can see is that we should also be setting _accProps.description: we are just setting _accProps.name.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 10 February 2012 13:27
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

Here's what I get. Ivona voice sounds great but the NaN's are a bit odd... http://www.screenr.com/nXVs

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 09 February 2012 14:02
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error


So this is using 'normal' TTS. OK. I can't see what the issue is: in the engine there is no code to speak in onRelease for the button, and the accessibility properties are set a al the code below, which as far as I recall, should cover it all:



      this.nextBtn._x = x+w-30;

      this.nextBtn._y = y+h-30;

      this.nextBtn.onRelease = function() {

            this._parent.nextPage();

      };

      this.nextBtn.tabIndex = getTabIndex();

      var col = new Color(this.nextBtn);

      col.setRGB(STYLES.statusTextColour);

      this.nextBtn.onSetFocus = function() {

            speak(engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description);

      };

      this.nextBtn._accProps = new Object();

      this.nextBtn._accProps.name = engine.languageData.nextButton[0].description;

      Accessibility.updateProperties();



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 February 2012 12:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Yes - try it - with TTS on clicking either of those 3 buttons reads out what

sounds like NaN on my system.

Works the same way on your 560 example

I guess it could be an oddity with the Ivona voices I've installed but seems

unlikely.



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 09 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



> when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out

Not to sound dumb, but you mean they are read out when you click them with

the mouse?

Do they work ok when you tab to them..?



I didn't think anything was supposed to speak when you clicked...



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 09 February 2012 08:59

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Hi Julian

most of this does seem to be fixed now which is great but I was at Techdis

yesterday and mentioned that I was impressed how much better it sounds with

a good voice installed and did a quick demo and noticed another small error

- when clicking previous, next, continue "NaN" get read out.



Also I can't remember for sure but didn't tabbing around also used to select

the page title? At the moment when the page loads the page title get's read

but it doesn't get selected when tabbing. Maybe it never did just can't

remember and it would be good if it did.



HTH

Ron



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:02

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Engine from the svn. It had some dodgy references to the languages xml in

it.



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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

Sent: 31 January 2012 12:00

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error



Do I need to update anything?



On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Julian Tenney

<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> This is fixed now.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron

> Mitchell

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:53

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

>

>

>

> may not be relevant but in testing Pat's Wordpress plugin I noticed

> that has the same error where TOC is undefined and continue is read as

> table of contents.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian

> Tenney

> Sent: 27 January 2012 09:28

> To: For Xerte technical developers

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: TTS error

>

>

>

> Play_560 isn't necessarily running the latest code: it would be good

> to know what happens with the files from the svn.

>

>

>

> I'll check it out though.

>

>

>

> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron

> Mitchell

> Sent: 26 January 2012 16:43

> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] TTS error

>

>

>

> Hi all

>

> just been testing some additional TTS voices on Windows 7 and out of

> curiosity tested how they worked with a Xerte LO too and to begin with

> used the Notting page_560 example

> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560

> and then I tested with one of my own LO's randomly selected

> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_120

>

>

>

> It seems an error as crept in at some point with the TTS reading of

> navigation elements...

>

>

>

> on the 560 lo

>

> table of contents is read as "undefined"

>

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

>

> bottom right contents button gets read as "table of contents"

>

>

>

> on 120 lo

>

> toc and continue get read correctly

>

> volume control get's selected when tabbing but doesn't get read

>

>

>

> Mine is not a completely up-to-date install so it seems like this

> error may have crept in recently?

>

>

>

> HTH

>

> Ron

>

>

>

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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 13 12:30:46 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:30:46 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] menu.rlm
Message-ID: <009701ccea4b$520be5e0$f623b1a0$@co.uk>

Hi all

I'd previously seen someone creating an LO using one of the menu options
rather than linear and the buttons were overlapping when the number of items
required 2 columns. At the time I'd put that down to them having long page
titles but I've been working on an LO requiring at least two columns myself
and it seems there is/was an error in the code. In the makeMenu script it
has/had...

 

//get menuItem width

if (numItems < 13){

  itemWidth = 350;

} else if (numItems < 26){

  itemWidth = 300;

} else {

  itemWidth = 245;

}

 

With more than 16 items the 1st and second column buttons overlap regardless
of page title size.

I've changed this as follows and tested with 2 columns and 3 columns:

 

if (numItems < 17){

  itemWidth = 350;

} else if (numItems > 16 & numItems < 33){

  itemWidth = 240;

} else if (numItems > 32){

  itemWidth = 240;

}

 

Actually as you'll see the size of the button doesn't need to change between
2 columns and 3 columns but I left the 3 options in just in case there might
be a future reason to change for 3 columns.

 

I could commit this but just wondering how any changes now get reflected in
the changes Jonathan is making? 

 

HTH

Ron

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 13 13:08:58 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:08:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: menu.rlm
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Those changes should merge in fine to anything Jonathan is doing: give it a whirl.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 13 February 2012 12:31
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] menu.rlm

Hi all
I'd previously seen someone creating an LO using one of the menu options rather than linear and the buttons were overlapping when the number of items required 2 columns. At the time I'd put that down to them having long page titles but I've been working on an LO requiring at least two columns myself and it seems there is/was an error in the code. In the makeMenu script it has/had...

//get menuItem width
if (numItems < 13){
  itemWidth = 350;
} else if (numItems < 26){
  itemWidth = 300;
} else {
  itemWidth = 245;
}

With more than 16 items the 1st and second column buttons overlap regardless of page title size.
I've changed this as follows and tested with 2 columns and 3 columns:

if (numItems < 17){
  itemWidth = 350;
} else if (numItems > 16 & numItems < 33){
  itemWidth = 240;
} else if (numItems > 32){
  itemWidth = 240;
}

Actually as you'll see the size of the button doesn't need to change between 2 columns and 3 columns but I left the 3 options in just in case there might be a future reason to change for 3 columns.

I could commit this but just wondering how any changes now get reflected in the changes Jonathan is making?

HTH
Ron
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 13 14:37:48 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:37:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Memory Game page - missing file
Message-ID: <CABtG3=VWWR0naqaNDOYwnnWpBU8OoxMDT8Cydf16dVp5oUU_Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks,

I have just finished converting the memory page to an individual page
template and have found that it requires a file "card.png" which does not
appear to be in the xerte svn.

I looked in

templates/pageTemplates/common

but it appears to have gone awol.

Has anyone got a copy of the file, or can someone replace the file in the
svn for me?

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 13 14:40:58 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:40:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Memory Game page - missing file
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Sorry bout that - it's in there now, in /common

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 13 February 2012 14:38
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Memory Game page - missing file

Hello folks,

I have just finished converting the memory page to an individual page template and have found that it requires a file "card.png" which does not appear to be in the xerte svn.

I looked in

templates/pageTemplates/common

but it appears to have gone awol.

Has anyone got a copy of the file, or can someone replace the file in the svn for me?

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 13 14:52:01 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:52:01 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Memory Game page - missing file
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Thank you :-)

JK

On 13 February 2012 14:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Sorry bout that ? it?s in there now, in /common
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 13 February 2012 14:38
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Memory Game page - missing file
>
>
>
> Hello folks,
>
>
>
> I have just finished converting the memory page to an individual page
> template and have found that it requires a file "card.png" which does not
> appear to be in the xerte svn.
>
>
>
> I looked in
>
>
>
> templates/pageTemplates/common
>
>
>
> but it appears to have gone awol.
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> Has anyone got a copy of the file, or can someone replace the file in the
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Message-ID: <014801cceaad$12f9bbe0$38ed33a0$@co.uk>

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 

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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 14 00:21:53 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
In-Reply-To: <014801cceaad$12f9bbe0$38ed33a0$@co.uk>
References: <014801cceaad$12f9bbe0$38ed33a0$@co.uk>
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http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ??
I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-)

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name



HiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  


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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-W239F6E4B035F6F01184D6CA77C0@phx.gbl>
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Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 


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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 14 00:42:56 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
In-Reply-To: <015901cceaaf$fff11db0$ffd35910$@co.uk>
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So much for in vino veritas.

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Thanks for the suggestion Davebut I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name 
http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ?? I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page nameHiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Tue Feb 14 08:24:28 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:24:28 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-W25DF7613CE402694EC2DE7A77C0@phx.gbl>
References: <014801cceaad$12f9bbe0$38ed33a0$@co.uk>,
	<BLU156-W239F6E4B035F6F01184D6CA77C0@phx.gbl>,
	<015901cceaaf$fff11db0$ffd35910$@co.uk>
	<BLU156-W25DF7613CE402694EC2DE7A77C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01cceaf2$1395c770$3ac15650$@co.uk>

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 09:46:39 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:46:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
In-Reply-To: <BLU156-W25DF7613CE402694EC2DE7A77C0@phx.gbl>
References: <014801cceaad$12f9bbe0$38ed33a0$@co.uk>,
	<BLU156-W239F6E4B035F6F01184D6CA77C0@phx.gbl>,
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	<BLU156-W25DF7613CE402694EC2DE7A77C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA28C06C7@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

Its because the function is defined in the Nottingham.rlt - it's not an engine level function. Maybe it should be FRAMEWORK.prototype.navToPage() instead.

It's caught me out a few times when I've looked in the engine for it as well...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:50:43 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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References: <014801cceaad$12f9bbe0$38ed33a0$@co.uk>,
	<BLU156-W239F6E4B035F6F01184D6CA77C0@phx.gbl>,
	<015901cceaaf$fff11db0$ffd35910$@co.uk>
	<BLU156-W25DF7613CE402694EC2DE7A77C0@phx.gbl>
	<000a01cceaf2$1395c770$3ac15650$@co.uk>
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Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 14 12:36:24 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:36:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for
each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the
"name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){

pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 14 13:34:32 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:34:32 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: updated and new model answer files
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Ron,

With respect to the Model Answer Results page.

I notice that standard Xerte pages broadcast a showAudio event that is
handled by script in the pageTemplates rlt file.

Your Model Answer Results page broadcasts also a showAudio2 event (in
script "narration script"). This does not appear to be handled by anything
in the page.

Does this page require a none-standard pageTemplates.rlt file?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 9 February 2012 18:28, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> you may have noticed the updated model answer and new model answer results
> rlm's have now been committed.
>
> Here's an example of how they work
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_274
>
>
>
> Have only added to the xerte svn so far not XOT svn but could add to XOT
> if it would help?
>
>
>
> There are some hard coded strings in a couple of places e.g. strings which
> display within the content rather than the interface like:
>
> The instruction and question on page 1 was:
>
> Your response was:
>
> The example answer was:
>
> and so on...
>
>
>
> Not sure if the language work is including this kind of thing or just the
> interface? I had a look at the current language directory and that only
> seemed to include interface items. I guess most of the time text which
> displayed within content comes from editable fields in the wizard but is
> there somewhere else these kinds of strings should be set?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 13:32:29 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:32:29 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 13:38:30 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Yes, that's right, I've just checked in the engine: the page icon is the icon you create here, with the path to the model on it.

The engine loads up the model, and pastes it's children into the page icon created in makePages. It does not replace the icon itself.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 13:32
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 14 14:01:09 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:01:09 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I think we just ran across that tidbit a couple weeks ago in another context.Or the page *was* being destroyed and replaced. I was losing info somehow.Let me see if I can find the thread..
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Yes, that?s right, I?ve just checked in the engine: the page icon is the icon you create here, with the path to the model on it. The engine loads up the model, and pastes it?s children into the page icon created in makePages. It does not replace the icon itself. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 13:32
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code? if (modName == 'xerteModel'){  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');  //is there an initObject...?  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;  }} else { newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');}newChild = newXML.firstChild;newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){  linkIndex = i;}ifc.appendChild(newChild); newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here. You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.   From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.  In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination. As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project. I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property. This is achieved by using the following code. In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
} This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.  Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
} This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification. Kind regards Johnathan    On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name :-)sleep worked!Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto); From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name So much for in vino veritas.From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameThanks for the suggestion Davebut I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name 
http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ?? I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page nameHiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 14 14:04:42 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:04:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used
routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title
of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to
it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes
this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 14:03:34 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:34 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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No, I'm pretty sure: pages still exist after they are killed, just their contents are wiped, and pages need to exist in the xml before INTERFACE can be initialised. I think you were writing to ICONS within the page rather than icons?

[upper case is object from flash class, lowercase is xml node]

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:01
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


I think we just ran across that tidbit a couple weeks ago in another context.
Or the page *was* being destroyed and replaced. I was losing info somehow.
Let me see if I can find the thread..

________________________________
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Yes, that's right, I've just checked in the engine: the page icon is the icon you create here, with the path to the model on it.

The engine loads up the model, and pastes it's children into the page icon created in makePages. It does not replace the icon itself.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 13:32
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:11:59 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Yes, it was me who was losing the information from my model.
I think I was inserting Xerte models into XOT and finding it was actually creating a new page, reading the model contents (less the <LO> etc) and inserting that inside the new page tags.  



From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:34 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



No, I?m pretty sure: pages still exist after they are killed, just their contents are wiped, and pages need to exist in the xml before INTERFACE can be initialised. I think you were writing to ICONS within the page rather than icons?  [upper case is object from flash class, lowercase is xml node] From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:01
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name  I think we just ran across that tidbit a couple weeks ago in another context.Or the page *was* being destroyed and replaced. I was losing info somehow.Let me see if I can find the thread.. From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameYes, that?s right, I?ve just checked in the engine: the page icon is the icon you create here, with the path to the model on it. The engine loads up the model, and pastes it?s children into the page icon created in makePages. It does not replace the icon itself. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 13:32
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code? if (modName == 'xerteModel'){  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');  //is there an initObject...?  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;  }} else { newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');}newChild = newXML.firstChild;newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){  linkIndex = i;}ifc.appendChild(newChild); newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here. You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.   From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.  In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination. As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project. I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property. This is achieved by using the following code. In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
} This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.  Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
} This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification. Kind regards Johnathan    On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name :-)sleep worked!Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto); From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name So much for in vino veritas.From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameThanks for the suggestion Davebut I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name 
http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ?? I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page nameHiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 14:09:58 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:09:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 14 14:35:42 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:35:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 14:44:42 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute. We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us prioritise the work. I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment. I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file. This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form. I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons. In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects. It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones. Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue? Kind regards Johnathan On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it? Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits? I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time. There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is what I think you do..? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided. Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project? I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably. Kind regards Johnathan On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code? if (modName == 'xerteModel'){  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');  //is there an initObject...?  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;  }} else { newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');}newChild = newXML.firstChild;newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){  linkIndex = i;}ifc.appendChild(newChild); newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here. You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.   From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.  In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination. As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project. I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property. This is achieved by using the following code. In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
} This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.  Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
} This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification. Kind regards Johnathan    On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name :-)sleep worked!Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto); From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name So much for in vino veritas.From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameThanks for the suggestion Davebut I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name 
http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ?? I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page nameHiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 14 14:56:15 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:56:15 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I can't write my response to that.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:56
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Sell Xerte to Adobe.

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:16:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:34:47 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:05:05 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

 

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
http://www.brokencoworker.com/

 

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind
for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a
revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm
hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

 

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

 

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for
all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was
time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
maniacs.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

 

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that
can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for
the creation of new page designs.

 

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs. 

 

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page
designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application
perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

 

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's
something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us
prioritise the work.

 

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two
tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an
AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in
common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from
toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing
in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I
can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in
toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

 

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

 

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

 

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

 

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set
of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

 

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

 

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then
essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting
for some xml payload to drive it?

 

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
to an external model file a la toolkits?

 

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

 

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is
what I think you do..?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

 

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be
added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing
could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a
page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it.
With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this
issue is avoided.

 

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

 

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form

 

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
bits of code?

 

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
'.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;

newChild.attributes.linkID =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

  

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);

 

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up
the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page
icons you create here.

 

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in
the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
navigation.

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name"
field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form. 

 

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title
is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a
page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change,
possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when
referring to it as a page destination.

 

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd
file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an
identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

 

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page
templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which
the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection
from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These
will use the new pageID property.

 

This is achieved by using the following code.

 

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

 

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
 
pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attribut
es.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
}

 

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined. 

 

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

 

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

 

On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
object.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'


Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 


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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:57:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

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Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Is there something about rootIcon.hideControls() you don't like? I don't think you need to do this? Not sure we should be addressing mask and maskee_xx directly either... if you look in the help you'll find enableCOntrols(), hideCOntrols(), which ought to do what you need?

//hide or show the navigation buttons
if (pageIcon.templateData.branchingImage[0].hideNavigation == 'true'){
_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.mask14._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.maskee14._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.mask11._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.maskee11._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.mask6._visible = 0;
_level0.engine.IFC.maskee6._visible = 0;
}else{
_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.mask14._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.maskee14._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.mask11._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.maskee11._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.mask6._visible = 1;
_level0.engine.IFC.maskee6._visible = 1;
}

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:36:28 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

 

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
happy to go along with what you think.

 

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it
to good use.

 

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

 

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound

 

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup
can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be
consistent with other xerte design stuff).

 

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

 

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

 

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
http://www.brokencoworker.com/

 

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind
for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a
revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm
hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

 

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for
all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was
time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
maniacs.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

 

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that
can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for
the creation of new page designs.

 

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs. 

 

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page
designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application
perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

 

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's
something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us
prioritise the work.

 

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two
tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an
AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in
common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from
toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing
in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I
can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in
toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

 

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

 

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

 

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

 

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set
of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

 

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

 

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then
essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting
for some xml payload to drive it?

 

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
to an external model file a la toolkits?

 

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

 

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is
what I think you do..?

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

 

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be
added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing
could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a
page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it.
With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this
issue is avoided.

 

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

 

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form

 

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
bits of code?

 

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
'.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;

newChild.attributes.linkID =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

  

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);

 

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up
the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page
icons you create here.

 

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in
the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
navigation.

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name"
field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form. 

 

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title
is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a
page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change,
possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when
referring to it as a page destination.

 

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd
file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an
identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

 

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page
templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which
the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection
from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These
will use the new pageID property.

 

This is achieved by using the following code.

 

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

 

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
 
pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attribut
es.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
}

 

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined. 

 

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

 

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

 

On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
object.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'


Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 


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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:25:31 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Ok have tested this...

 

option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;

 

Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?

 

option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
visually disabled.

 

I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I
guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

 

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
happy to go along with what you think.

 

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it
to good use.

 

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

 

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound

 

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup
can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be
consistent with other xerte design stuff).

 

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

 

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

 

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
http://www.brokencoworker.com/

 

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind
for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a
revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm
hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

 

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

 

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for
all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was
time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
maniacs.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

 

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that
can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for
the creation of new page designs.

 

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs. 

 

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page
designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application
perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

 

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's
something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us
prioritise the work.

 

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two
tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an
AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in
common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from
toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing
in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I
can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in
toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

 

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

 

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

 

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

 

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set
of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

 

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

 

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then
essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting
for some xml payload to drive it?

 

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
to an external model file a la toolkits?

 

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

 

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is
what I think you do..?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

 

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be
added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing
could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a
page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it.
With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this
issue is avoided.

 

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

 

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form

 

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
bits of code?

 

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
'.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;

newChild.attributes.linkID =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

  

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);

 

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up
the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page
icons you create here.

 

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in
the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
navigation.

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name"
field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form. 

 

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title
is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a
page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change,
possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when
referring to it as a page destination.

 

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd
file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an
identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

 

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page
templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which
the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection
from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These
will use the new pageID property.

 

This is achieved by using the following code.

 

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

 

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
 
pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attribut
es.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
}

 

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined. 

 

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

 

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

 

On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
object.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'


Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 

  _____  

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 15 22:27:12 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:27:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to
make available as individual page templates. These are

   - Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here
   though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to
   something other than another page in the project, but offering support to
   the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

   - Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own
   destination page.

   - Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to
   other pages in the project

   - Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text,
   images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the
   tabs that provide a routed link to another page.


The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in
which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be
displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in
relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have
actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when
they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken.
Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of
three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another
page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger
a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an
unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent
a single location. However the potential exists to create complex
challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis
and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results
in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment
results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the
project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues

   1. Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
   perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages
   we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

   2. Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page
   Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense
   to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a
   destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page
   author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the
   top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises
   the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision
   to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages
   that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page
   template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use
   this.

   3.  Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte
   (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I
   have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID
   property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a
   pageTemplates / XOT environment).

   4. Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation
   (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a
   single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at
   multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a
   learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner
   according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and
   learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with
   routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back
   button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next
   button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none
   branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The
   content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the
   learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you
   might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page
   Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would
   probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation
   elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
   5. We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both
   Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in
   different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
   much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
   What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
   Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
   template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
   would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
   uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
   Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
   between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
   the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
   page.

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Wed Feb 15 23:35:38 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:35:38 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Hi Jonathan

I've made some comments inline below but just to say my zip is updated
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip 

as per the example at
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/

and the sound should work on that now when online but no longer toggles on
and off.

Further responses below.

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

 

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to
make available as individual page templates. These are

*	Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here
though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to
something other than another page in the project, but offering support to
the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

RM: I didn't realise your page wizard had this - will have to have a look.
But my priority as usual is XOT and non-developers so any XOT solution has
to be easy for non developers.

 

*	Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own
destination page.

 

*	Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to
other pages in the project

 

*	Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text,
images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the
tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

 

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which
a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed.
The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the
scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated
with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and
outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the
location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable
scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A
change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation
either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful
completion. 

 

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a
single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging
projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and
treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in
the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results
in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project
author so wish!

 

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues

1.	Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we
should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

RM: sounds like a good idea. I was already undecided whether to add mine to
Navigators or Interactivity.

 

2.	Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page
Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense
to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination
page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page
name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the
project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility
of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page,
with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it.
With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have
created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this. 

RM I'm not sure how this works but does it mean users have to effectively
name a page twice? 

3.	 Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte
(Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I
have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID
property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a
pageTemplates / XOT environment). 

RM Yes I agree but would also add that in xot must work for non-developers
e.g. as easy to use as possible.

4.	Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte
navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than
providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide
branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the
capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and
route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to
take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier
work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful.
A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue.
B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed
during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed
page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to
allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so
again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current
Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would
probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation
elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.

RM the page I've been working on does this but following Julian's suggestion
I've changed the code slightly so the buttons still show but are disabled
and greyed and then on page exit reset.


5.	We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both
Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in
different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
page.

RM I'll have to do some tests with your page wizard but my thinking wasn't
just a routed page but just as importantly a more flexible menu page which
had the option to disable normal navigation but didn't do so by default.
Happy for you to merge our two pages Jonathan as long as the ease of use for
XOT users remains. You'll have seen that I put quite a few notes in the
wizard and a few layout options including hiding the panel. I'm excited by
the possibilities with these options and can think of a few more
improvements too but have 'real work' to be getting on with too so will
leave this with you for now.

What do you think?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

 

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

 

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
happy to go along with what you think.

 

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it
to good use.

 

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

 

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound

 

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup
can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be
consistent with other xerte design stuff).

 

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

 

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

 

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
http://www.brokencoworker.com/

 

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind
for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a
revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm
hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

 

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for
all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was
time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
maniacs.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

 

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that
can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for
the creation of new page designs.

 

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs. 

 

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page
designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application
perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

 

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's
something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us
prioritise the work.

 

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two
tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an
AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in
common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from
toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing
in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I
can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in
toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

 

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

 

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

 

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

 

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set
of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

 

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

 

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then
essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting
for some xml payload to drive it?

 

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
to an external model file a la toolkits?

 

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

 

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is
what I think you do..?

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

 

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be
added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing
could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a
page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it.
With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this
issue is avoided.

 

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

 

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form

 

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
bits of code?

 

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
'.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;

newChild.attributes.linkID =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

  

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);

 

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up
the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page
icons you create here.

 

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in
the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
navigation.

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name"
field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form. 

 

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title
is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a
page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change,
possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when
referring to it as a page destination.

 

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd
file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an
identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

 

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page
templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which
the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection
from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These
will use the new pageID property.

 

This is achieved by using the following code.

 

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

 

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 

    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();

    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

 

    // routed pages only

    pageID_array = new Array();

    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){

 
pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attribut
es.pageID);

    }

 

} else { // Toolkits 

   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);

   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();

   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

 

   // routed pages only

   pageID_array = new Array(); 

   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){

     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);

   }  

}

 

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined. 

 

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

 

// navigate to destination page

for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){

   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){

     pageFound = "true";

     destinationIndex = i;

     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  

   break;

  } else {

    pageFound = "false";

  }

}

 

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

 

On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
object.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett

Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.


  _____  


From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett

Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 


  _____  


From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:55:13 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Hi

just another quick follow up to this...

 

Just tested the Page wizard Routed Hotspot Image and can see where there are
similar and missing features in each.

 

I think the optional image transition is great - we should have that on all
image pages! Another winner for all the PowerPoint users.

 

For XOT some of the wizard fields ought to be options like Container, Entry
frame and Nav controls

 

Alignment needs a full screen option and obviously there were other options
for each hotspot built-in to mine

 

I think merging the two will result in a great new page for XOT users and as
I mentioned in a previous message another option I'd like to add for a
hotspot is a pop-up panel so if that option is selected for a particular
hotspot it pops up a panel which can be dragged or closed. I could see this
being used for tips or extra info etc.

 

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 23:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

Hi Jonathan

I've made some comments inline below but just to say my zip is updated
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip 

as per the example at
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/

and the sound should work on that now when online but no longer toggles on
and off.

Further responses below.

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

 

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to
make available as individual page templates. These are

*	Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here
though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to
something other than another page in the project, but offering support to
the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

RM: I didn't realise your page wizard had this - will have to have a look.
But my priority as usual is XOT and non-developers so any XOT solution has
to be easy for non developers.

 

*	Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own
destination page.

 

*	Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to
other pages in the project

 

*	Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text,
images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the
tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

 

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which
a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed.
The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the
scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated
with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and
outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the
location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable
scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A
change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation
either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful
completion. 

 

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a
single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging
projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and
treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in
the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results
in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project
author so wish!

 

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues

1.	Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we
should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

RM: sounds like a good idea. I was already undecided whether to add mine to
Navigators or Interactivity.

 

2.	Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page
Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense
to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination
page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page
name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the
project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility
of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page,
with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it.
With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have
created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this. 

RM I'm not sure how this works but does it mean users have to effectively
name a page twice? 

3.	 Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte
(Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I
have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID
property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a
pageTemplates / XOT environment). 

RM Yes I agree but would also add that in xot must work for non-developers
e.g. as easy to use as possible.

4.	Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte
navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than
providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide
branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the
capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and
route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to
take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier
work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful.
A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue.
B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed
during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed
page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to
allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so
again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current
Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would
probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation
elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.

RM the page I've been working on does this but following Julian's suggestion
I've changed the code slightly so the buttons still show but are disabled
and greyed and then on page exit reset.
5.	We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both
Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in
different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
page.

RM I'll have to do some tests with your page wizard but my thinking wasn't
just a routed page but just as importantly a more flexible menu page which
had the option to disable normal navigation but didn't do so by default.
Happy for you to merge our two pages Jonathan as long as the ease of use for
XOT users remains. You'll have seen that I put quite a few notes in the
wizard and a few layout options including hiding the panel. I'm excited by
the possibilities with these options and can think of a few more
improvements too but have 'real work' to be getting on with too so will
leave this with you for now.

What do you think?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

 

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

 

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
happy to go along with what you think.

 

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it
to good use.

 

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

 

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound

 

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup
can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be
consistent with other xerte design stuff).

 

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

 

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

 

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
http://www.brokencoworker.com/

 

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind
for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a
revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm
hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

 

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for
all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was
time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
maniacs.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

 

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that
can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for
the creation of new page designs.

 

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs. 

 

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page
designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application
perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

 

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's
something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us
prioritise the work.

 

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two
tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an
AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in
common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from
toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing
in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I
can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in
toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

 

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

 

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

 

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

 

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set
of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

 

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

 

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then
essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting
for some xml payload to drive it?

 

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
to an external model file a la toolkits?

 

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

 

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is
what I think you do..?

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

 

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be
added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing
could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a
page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it.
With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this
issue is avoided.

 

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

 

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form

 

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
bits of code?

 

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
'.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;

newChild.attributes.linkID =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

  

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);

 

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up
the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page
icons you create here.

 

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in
the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
navigation.

 

 

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name"
field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form. 

 

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title
is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a
page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change,
possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when
referring to it as a page destination.

 

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd
file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an
identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

 

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page
templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which
the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection
from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These
will use the new pageID property.

 

This is achieved by using the following code.

 

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

 

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 

    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();

    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

 

    // routed pages only

    pageID_array = new Array();

    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){

 
pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attribut
es.pageID);

    }

 

} else { // Toolkits 

   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);

   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();

   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

 

   // routed pages only

   pageID_array = new Array(); 

   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){

     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);

   }  

}

 

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined. 

 

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

 

// navigate to destination page

for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){

   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){

     pageFound = "true";

     destinationIndex = i;

     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  

   break;

  } else {

    pageFound = "false";

  }

}

 

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

 

On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
object.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett

Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.


  _____  


From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett

Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 


  _____  


From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:26:49 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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1.       Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.       Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.       Yep.

4.       Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.       Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*         Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*         Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*         Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*         Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.      Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.      Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.       Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.      Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.      We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.

INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
                                if (arguments.length>1) {
                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;
                                }
                }
};

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Ok have tested this...

option 1
rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
rootIcon.enableControls(false);
_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;

Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?

option 2
rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.

I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/

Cheers
Ron


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.

INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
                                if (arguments.length>1) {
                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;
                                }
                }
};

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Ok have tested this...

option 1
rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
rootIcon.enableControls(false);
_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;

Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?

option 2
rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.

I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/

Cheers
Ron


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve got today? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the lsit. INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;                                if (arguments.length>1) {                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;                                }                }}; From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name Ok have tested this... option 1rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.rootIcon.enableControls(false);_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0; Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go? option 2rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled. I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/ CheersRon  From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this. Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think. I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use. I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back. So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:internal link via page titleinternal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, lastexternal linksound The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that? CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff). Is this a ?Navigators? page type? What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-) With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/ I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name >Xerte is such a beautiful application You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5. XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs. I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.  I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question. Kind regards Johnathan  On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute. We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us prioritise the work. I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment. I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file. This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form. I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons. In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects. It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones. Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue? Kind regards Johnathan On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it? Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits? I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time. There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is what I think you do..? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided. Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project? I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably. Kind regards Johnathan On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code? if (modName == 'xerteModel'){  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');  //is there an initObject...?  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;  }} else { newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');}newChild = newXML.firstChild;newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){  linkIndex = i;}ifc.appendChild(newChild); newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here. You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.   From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.  In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination. As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project. I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property. This is achieved by using the following code. In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
} This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.  Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
} This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification. Kind regards Johnathan    On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name :-)sleep worked!Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto); From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name So much for in vino veritas.From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameThanks for the suggestion Davebut I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name 
http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ?? I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page nameHiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb 16 12:54:12 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:54:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Phew suddenly there's quite a lot to comment on.

1. "any XOT solution has to be easy for non developers."

We currently have model files that are shared by both Xerte and XOT. What
is being introduced in Xerte 2.18 are individual xwd files for each page.
These can be used as individual files in Xerte and also combined by running
a script to create a template.xwd file for XOT. So to a XOT user the change
is invisible. But it means that it will be much easier to build new pages
in Xerte and then port them over to XOT.

As we have seen recently with the discussion regarding the Interactive
Diagram page, some pages may be less intuitive to use and may benefit by
providing in some way additional guidance as to their usage.

The scenario page will be capable of delivering projects which feature
conditional routing options. But this flexibility comes at a price of the
author having to take the time to understand how the page works and to plan
the structure of their project. Like all the other pages it is driven by
completing xwd based forms. In that sense it is no harder to use than any
other page. However understanding how the various sections of the form
interact with each other to make the page work will require an initial
effort on the part of the page author. I agree solutions need to be simple
to understand, but in delivering enhanced functionality to Xerte and XOT it
may be inevitable that some pages will offer more to authors but at the
same time demand a little more from them.

2. PageID - I'm not sure how this works but does it mean users have to
effectively name a page twice?

Page Icons have 3 properties "name" "title" and "id" each with their own
purpose. In XOT each page is just given a name property that is then
assigned to be the "title". Currently I have found no way in a xerte based
project to assign an xwd "name" property to the page icon title property.
The problem appears to be that by the time the data is available for
processing in script the assignation of the page title has been made. The
result being that the next page you view then displays the title of the
previous page. Additionally as I commented earlier their is a need for a
property that can identify the page that will not be affected if there is a
need to change the pages displayed title. The only pages that will need to
be given a pageID will be those pages that are going to be used as
destinations for a routed page. So you will not need to add this property
to every page.

3. "I think the optional image transition is great - we should have that on
all image pages! Another winner for all the PowerPoint users."

This raises an issue that I have been pondering for some time as well as a
concern about project deadlines.


   -  It is my understanding that a "first quarter 2012" date has been
   targeted for the release of Xerte 2.18. There are still a few technical
   issues to resolve. In order to keep within the project deadline it may make
   sense to defer release of the routed pages until after the release of Xerte
   2.18. I had hoped to get them in with the release but there may be a couple
   of sound arguments for delaying them.
   - A) Their later release soon after the release of 2.18 would
   demonstrate to people how new pages can now be added to an installation. It
   would also provide time to create some supporting documentation to explain
   how to use the routed pages and how routing might enhance a project.
   - B) This is the one I have been thinking about ever since I created the
   Page Wizards, it's about standards and processes. XOT has a deservedly high
   reputation, particularly for its accessibility. It feels inappropriate that
   new pages should be added as we move to 2.18 in haste in order to meet a
   deadline. As I have prepared the xwds for 2.18 I have worked to a standard
   that is designed to make translation of the xwds easier and less error
   prone. This standard might also be something that we should expect new
   pages to comply with. I don't know what consideration has been given to how
   new pages should be accepted to become part of XOT. But I do think there
   has to be a process and that thought needs to be given to this now before
   we release a version of Xerte that is designed to make it easier for people
   to add new pages to their installation. Consideration should also be given
   to how the Xerte Team wish to handle proposed modifications to existing
   pages.

4. "For XOT some of the wizard fields ought to be options like Container,
Entry frame and Nav controls"
Container and Entry Frame are legacy fields. Since my work on the page
wizards I have looked for ways to identify automatically whether a page is
in a project that has an entry frame or is contained within a Framework.
This ties in with taking a bit more time over the transition of the routed
pages from page wizards to individual page templates. XOT defines in the
makePages script a pgOffset variable and perhaps something similar is
needed for Xerte Individual Page Template projects. The Nav controls will
be dependent on any changes that are introduced into the Xerte engine.

5. "Alignment needs a full screen option and obviously there were other
options for each hotspot built-in to mine"

We can look at the features as we get nearer to implementing the page. One
thought I have had is about whether a page can become "over-loaded" i.e.
more functionality is included in a page than is needed. An example here
would be the inclusion of sound, or would this be better included in the
main hotspot-image page (similar to the hotspot image sound Page Wizard)?
My routed Tabbed Navigator is a case in point. At the time I had a need for
a page that could deliver a variety of content and routing to meet a
particular project need. But I wonder if the page ended up over-loaded with
features.

6. "another option I'd like to add for a hotspot is a pop-up panel so if
that option is selected for a particular hotspot it pops up a panel which
can be dragged or closed. I could see this being used for tips or extra
info etc."
I have no idea how you would do this, but it would be useful. I can think
of uses for it in other pages as well e.g. the routed pages try to
implement a crude pop up to help the page author when they refer to a page
that does not exist. A pop up would be more professional.

7.  Yes, probably. ?Menus? category? Not sure ?roued page? is the right
termfor end users?
I would'nt call an end user a "routed page" either :-)

I am up for suggestions but I am keen to get over the key change that they
bring to Xerte, i.e. the ability to define alternative routes through a
project and to have an alternative to a single linear flow from the first
page to the last. For me that's what "Routed pages" conveys.

8. Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in
the xwd for ?global optional properties?, like narration, and the others
that appear throughout the file.

This sounds like a candidate for the sections in the xwd form (e.g.
Advanced) discussed in another thread. It would be useful to get any
changes to how the xwds can be organised finalised so that I can complete
work on some of pages like the Quiz and the Interactive Diagram, that have
enough display text items to over-load the main form.

9. How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality?
In the absence of any support for this in my original routed projects I
created a simpleNavigation.rlm script that displayed an alternative set of
navigation buttons. When a page was closed the script pushed the
rootIcon.currentPage into an array called pageStack, unless that page had
been accessed by using the back button. When the back button was pressed
the page index was popped of the pageStack array. If the pageStack array
length dropped to less than 1 the back button was set to be invisible as
there was no where to go. I don't know if that helps at all.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 10:17, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb 16 12:58:58 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:58:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:24:56 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Crikey, when Jonathan says 'Phew suddenly there's quite a lot to comment on' it's time to put the kettle on...


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:54
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Phew suddenly there's quite a lot to comment on.

1. "any XOT solution has to be easy for non developers."

We currently have model files that are shared by both Xerte and XOT. What is being introduced in Xerte 2.18 are individual xwd files for each page. These can be used as individual files in Xerte and also combined by running a script to create a template.xwd file for XOT. So to a XOT user the change is invisible. But it means that it will be much easier to build new pages in Xerte and then port them over to XOT.

As we have seen recently with the discussion regarding the Interactive Diagram page, some pages may be less intuitive to use and may benefit by providing in some way additional guidance as to their usage.

The scenario page will be capable of delivering projects which feature conditional routing options. But this flexibility comes at a price of the author having to take the time to understand how the page works and to plan the structure of their project. Like all the other pages it is driven by completing xwd based forms. In that sense it is no harder to use than any other page. However understanding how the various sections of the form interact with each other to make the page work will require an initial effort on the part of the page author. I agree solutions need to be simple to understand, but in delivering enhanced functionality to Xerte and XOT it may be inevitable that some pages will offer more to authors but at the same time demand a little more from them.

2. PageID - I'm not sure how this works but does it mean users have to effectively name a page twice?

Page Icons have 3 properties "name" "title" and "id" each with their own purpose. In XOT each page is just given a name property that is then assigned to be the "title". Currently I have found no way in a xerte based project to assign an xwd "name" property to the page icon title property. The problem appears to be that by the time the data is available for processing in script the assignation of the page title has been made. The result being that the next page you view then displays the title of the previous page. Additionally as I commented earlier their is a need for a property that can identify the page that will not be affected if there is a need to change the pages displayed title. The only pages that will need to be given a pageID will be those pages that are going to be used as destinations for a routed page. So you will not need to add this property to every page.

3. "I think the optional image transition is great - we should have that on all image pages! Another winner for all the PowerPoint users."

This raises an issue that I have been pondering for some time as well as a concern about project deadlines.

*          It is my understanding that a "first quarter 2012" date has been targeted for the release of Xerte 2.18. There are still a few technical issues to resolve. In order to keep within the project deadline it may make sense to defer release of the routed pages until after the release of Xerte 2.18. I had hoped to get them in with the release but there may be a couple of sound arguments for delaying them.
*         A) Their later release soon after the release of 2.18 would demonstrate to people how new pages can now be added to an installation. It would also provide time to create some supporting documentation to explain how to use the routed pages and how routing might enhance a project.
*         B) This is the one I have been thinking about ever since I created the Page Wizards, it's about standards and processes. XOT has a deservedly high reputation, particularly for its accessibility. It feels inappropriate that new pages should be added as we move to 2.18 in haste in order to meet a deadline. As I have prepared the xwds for 2.18 I have worked to a standard that is designed to make translation of the xwds easier and less error prone. This standard might also be something that we should expect new pages to comply with. I don't know what consideration has been given to how new pages should be accepted to become part of XOT. But I do think there has to be a process and that thought needs to be given to this now before we release a version of Xerte that is designed to make it easier for people to add new pages to their installation. Consideration should also be given to how the Xerte Team wish to handle proposed modifications to existing pages.
4. "For XOT some of the wizard fields ought to be options like Container, Entry frame and Nav controls"
Container and Entry Frame are legacy fields. Since my work on the page wizards I have looked for ways to identify automatically whether a page is in a project that has an entry frame or is contained within a Framework. This ties in with taking a bit more time over the transition of the routed pages from page wizards to individual page templates. XOT defines in the makePages script a pgOffset variable and perhaps something similar is needed for Xerte Individual Page Template projects. The Nav controls will be dependent on any changes that are introduced into the Xerte engine.

5. "Alignment needs a full screen option and obviously there were other options for each hotspot built-in to mine"

We can look at the features as we get nearer to implementing the page. One thought I have had is about whether a page can become "over-loaded" i.e. more functionality is included in a page than is needed. An example here would be the inclusion of sound, or would this be better included in the main hotspot-image page (similar to the hotspot image sound Page Wizard)? My routed Tabbed Navigator is a case in point. At the time I had a need for a page that could deliver a variety of content and routing to meet a particular project need. But I wonder if the page ended up over-loaded with features.

6. "another option I'd like to add for a hotspot is a pop-up panel so if that option is selected for a particular hotspot it pops up a panel which can be dragged or closed. I could see this being used for tips or extra info etc."
I have no idea how you would do this, but it would be useful. I can think of uses for it in other pages as well e.g. the routed pages try to implement a crude pop up to help the page author when they refer to a page that does not exist. A pop up would be more professional.

7.  Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?
I would'nt call an end user a "routed page" either :-)

I am up for suggestions but I am keen to get over the key change that they bring to Xerte, i.e. the ability to define alternative routes through a project and to have an alternative to a single linear flow from the first page to the last. For me that's what "Routed pages" conveys.

8. Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

This sounds like a candidate for the sections in the xwd form (e.g. Advanced) discussed in another thread. It would be useful to get any changes to how the xwds can be organised finalised so that I can complete work on some of pages like the Quiz and the Interactive Diagram, that have enough display text items to over-load the main form.

9. How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality?
In the absence of any support for this in my original routed projects I created a simpleNavigation.rlm script that displayed an alternative set of navigation buttons. When a page was closed the script pushed the rootIcon.currentPage into an array called pageStack, unless that page had been accessed by using the back button. When the back button was pressed the page index was popped of the pageStack array. If the pageStack array length dropped to less than 1 the back button was set to be invisible as there was no where to go. I don't know if that helps at all.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 10:17, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.

INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
                                if (arguments.length>1) {
                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;
                                }
                }
};

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Ok have tested this...

option 1
rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
rootIcon.enableControls(false);
_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;

Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?

option 2
rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.

I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/

Cheers
Ron


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron



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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:27:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb 16 14:44:40 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:44:40 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Sounds fine to me.

Not sure what will happen when pages are accessed from inside a framework.

I hope you enjoyed your cuppa :-)

JK

On 16 February 2012 13:27, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is
> visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page
> index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.
>
>
>
> Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some
> sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 12:59
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
> visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
> cover this situation?
>
>
>
> With a back button how far back would we need to go?
>
>
>
> I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
> holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:49:09 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:33:52 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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It's what I use, but I have nested fw's, so I end up using a set of arrays so I can track across multiple levels.
For XOT it's not an issue.Unless I import a Xerte model with nested pages. ;-)

From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:27:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.  Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation? With a back button how far back would we need to go?  I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough? Kind regards Johnathan  On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"? From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukDate: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameHow best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve got today? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the lsit. INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;                                if (arguments.length>1) {                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;                                }                }}; From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name Ok have tested this... option 1rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.rootIcon.enableControls(false);_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0; Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go? option 2rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled. I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/ CheersRon  From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this. Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think. I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use. I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back. So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:internal link via page titleinternal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, lastexternal linksound The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that? CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff). Is this a ?Navigators? page type? What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-) With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/ I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name >Xerte is such a beautiful application You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5. XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs. I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.  I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question. Kind regards Johnathan  On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute. We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us prioritise the work. I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment. I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file. This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form. I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons. In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects. It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones. Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue? Kind regards Johnathan On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it? Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits? I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time. There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is what I think you do..? From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided. Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project? I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably. Kind regards Johnathan On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code? if (modName == 'xerteModel'){  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');  //is there an initObject...?  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;  }} else { newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');}newChild = newXML.firstChild;newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){  linkIndex = i;}ifc.appendChild(newChild); newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here. You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.   From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.  In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination. As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project. I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property. This is achieved by using the following code. In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits 
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array(); 
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }  
} This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.  Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
} This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification. Kind regards Johnathan    On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name :-)sleep worked!Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto); From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name So much for in vino veritas.From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page nameThanks for the suggestion Davebut I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.CheersRon From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name 
http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html ?? I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.:-) From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page nameHiI think I'm missing something silly here :-(In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page. I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon? Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project? CheersRon  
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:32:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



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To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:34:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend to focus on.

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 09:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


1.       Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.       Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.       Yep.

4.       Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.       Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*         Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*         Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*         Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*         Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.      Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.      Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.       Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.      Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.      We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 17 11:50:32 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:50:32 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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 This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools

>From my first experience of Xerte I always thought of it as an e-learning
development tool. It's strength lay in the ability to offer users simple
content creation as well as making the editor accessible so that you could
develop your own new page templates. The enhancements in 2.18 hopefully
will encourage a wider range of XOT users to consider creating their own
new page templates and to share them with the XOT community.

To me Xerte and XOT are two sides of the same coin, though I appreciate
developments with respect to HTML5 may eventually change this.

Do we want an ?Advanced? category?

Some of the xwd forms are getting a bit busy with the addition of the
display text. I know time and resource are limited. So let's keep the
advanced section and, where forms are getting busy I will move the display
stuff into the advanced section. Would it be possible for the advanced
section to be able to indicate when there was some advanced content e.g. to
be greyed out or the option only displayed if the form offered an advanced
section? If we could have one more section would it make sense to have an
"instructions" section where people could put any <info> blocks?

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu??

My only issue with menus at the moment is what to call the "routed pages".
Some of the menus e.g. Interactivity have quite a few entries, but if push
came to shove you could always create another menu option and split the
interactions up e.g. Drag and Drop. So I can't see any immediate need for
nested menus on the insert menu.

Kind regards

Johnathan

PS Sorry it's not long enough for a cuppa, but you might squeeze in a
biscuit :-)

On 17 February 2012 09:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Do we want an ?Advanced? category? This stuff is getting more like an
> elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend
> to focus on.
>
>
>
> Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu??
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 09:27
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> 1.       Yes, probably. ?Menus? category? Not sure ?roued page? is the
> right termfor end users?
>
> 2.       Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a
> section in the xwd for ?global optional properties?, like narration, and
> the others that appear throughout the file.
>
> 3.       Yep.
>
> 4.       Can build that into the engine, and have some methods
> ?showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.
>
> 5.       Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems
> sensible.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.
>
>
>
> In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan
> to make available as individual page templates. These are
>
> ?         Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated
> here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link
> type to something other than another page in the project, but offering
> support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)
>
>
>
> ?         Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its
> own destination page.
>
>
>
> ?         Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added
> to other pages in the project
>
>
>
> ?         Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display
> text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any
> of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.
>
>
>
> The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
> has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
> on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
> like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in
> which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be
> displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in
> relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have
> actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when
> they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken.
> Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of
> three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another
> page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger
> a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an
> unsuccessful completion.
>
>
>
> The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
> that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
> together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
> based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
> objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent
> a single location. However the potential exists to create complex
> challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis
> and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results
> in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment
> results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the
> project author so wish!
>
>
>
> The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
>
> 1.      Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
> perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages
> we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?
>
>
>
> 2.      Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as
> Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make
> sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a
> destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page
> author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the
> top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises
> the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision
> to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages
> that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page
> template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use
> this.
>
> 3.       Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop
> Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template)
> environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can
> utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page
> template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
>
> 4.      Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte
> navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than
> providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide
> branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the
> capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and
> route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner
> to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on
> earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be
> useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo
> queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be
> displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on
> a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you
> wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the
> project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to
> review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled
> this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that
> disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on
> page exit.
>
> 5.      We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages.
> Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it
> in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
> much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
> What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
> Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
> template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
> would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
> uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
> Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
> between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
> the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
> page.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>
>
>     // routed pages only
>
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>
>     }
>
>
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
>    // routed pages only
>
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>
>    }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
>
>
> // navigate to destination page
>
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>
>      pageFound = "true";
>
>      destinationIndex = i;
>
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>
>    break;
>
>   } else {
>
>     pageFound = "false";
>
>   }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:02:05 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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> The enhancements in 2.18 hopefully will encourage a wider range of XOT users to consider creating their own new page templates and to share them with the XOT community.
We'll see. I know we've discussed this before, but I don't think that the reason so few people have done this is because it's hard. It's not hard. If you code. The vast majority of users don't code, and never will code.

> greyed out or the option only displayed if the form offered an advanced section
Yes, I'd thought that too, hide it if they aren't there.

> only issue with menus at the moment is what to call the "routed pages".
I'm not sure either. In the old days, amongst CBT developers, a 'router' was well understood in this context. They aren't really menu's (but might be), they aren't the same as the 'navigators' we already have - but could be maybe?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 11:51
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools

>From my first experience of Xerte I always thought of it as an e-learning development tool. It's strength lay in the ability to offer users simple content creation as well as making the editor accessible so that you could develop your own new page templates. The enhancements in 2.18 hopefully will encourage a wider range of XOT users to consider creating their own new page templates and to share them with the XOT community.

To me Xerte and XOT are two sides of the same coin, though I appreciate developments with respect to HTML5 may eventually change this.

Do we want an 'Advanced' category?

Some of the xwd forms are getting a bit busy with the addition of the display text. I know time and resource are limited. So let's keep the advanced section and, where forms are getting busy I will move the display stuff into the advanced section. Would it be possible for the advanced section to be able to indicate when there was some advanced content e.g. to be greyed out or the option only displayed if the form offered an advanced section? If we could have one more section would it make sense to have an "instructions" section where people could put any <info> blocks?

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

My only issue with menus at the moment is what to call the "routed pages". Some of the menus e.g. Interactivity have quite a few entries, but if push came to shove you could always create another menu option and split the interactions up e.g. Drag and Drop. So I can't see any immediate need for nested menus on the insert menu.

Kind regards

Johnathan

PS Sorry it's not long enough for a cuppa, but you might squeeze in a biscuit :-)

On 17 February 2012 09:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend to focus on.

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


1.       Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.       Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.       Yep.

4.       Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.       Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*         Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*         Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*         Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*         Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.      Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.      Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.       Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.      Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.      We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 17 12:04:33 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:04:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back
button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to
it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you
described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> I?m going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way
> browsers do things?
>
>
>
> So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a
> browser?
>
>
>
> You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don?t know what happens
> here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array,
> rather than the last entry of the current location - but I?m not sure. I
> think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it
> for another day?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 13:28
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is
> visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page
> index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.
>
>
>
> Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some
> sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 12:59
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
> visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
> cover this situation?
>
>
>
> With a back button how far back would we need to go?
>
>
>
> I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
> holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Feb 17 12:08:47 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:08:47 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
That might be it - I'm pushing the current page on when the page opens, not when the page exits.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 12:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
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>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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"Xerte is a fully-featured e-learning development environment for creating
rich interactivity. Xerte is aimed at developers of interactive content who
will create sophisticated content with some scripting, and Xerte can be
used to extend the capabilities of Xerte Online Toolkits with new tools for
content authors."

I can't help sharing a vision - I got it from a highly reputable source :-)

JK

On 17 February 2012 12:02, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> > The enhancements in 2.18 hopefully will encourage a wider range of XOT
> users to consider creating their own new page templates and to share them
> with the XOT community.
>
> We?ll see. I know we?ve discussed this before, but I don?t think that the
> reason so few people have done this is because it?s hard. It?s not hard. If
> you code. The vast majority of users don?t code, and never will code.
>
>
>
> > greyed out or the option only displayed if the form offered an advanced
> section
>
> Yes, I?d thought that too, hide it if they aren?t there.
>
>
>
> > only issue with menus at the moment is what to call the "routed pages".
>
> I?m not sure either. In the old days, amongst CBT developers, a ?router?
> was well understood in this context. They aren?t really menu?s (but might
> be), they aren?t the same as the ?navigators? we already have ? but could
> be maybe?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 11:51
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools
>
>
>
> From my first experience of Xerte I always thought of it as an e-learning
> development tool. It's strength lay in the ability to offer users simple
> content creation as well as making the editor accessible so that you could
> develop your own new page templates. The enhancements in 2.18 hopefully
> will encourage a wider range of XOT users to consider creating their own
> new page templates and to share them with the XOT community.
>
>
>
> To me Xerte and XOT are two sides of the same coin, though I appreciate
> developments with respect to HTML5 may eventually change this.
>
>
>
> Do we want an ?Advanced? category?
>
>
>
> Some of the xwd forms are getting a bit busy with the addition of the
> display text. I know time and resource are limited. So let's keep the
> advanced section and, where forms are getting busy I will move the display
> stuff into the advanced section. Would it be possible for the advanced
> section to be able to indicate when there was some advanced content e.g. to
> be greyed out or the option only displayed if the form offered an advanced
> section? If we could have one more section would it make sense to have an
> "instructions" section where people could put any <info> blocks?
>
>
>
> Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu??
>
>
>
> My only issue with menus at the moment is what to call the "routed pages".
> Some of the menus e.g. Interactivity have quite a few entries, but if push
> came to shove you could always create another menu option and split the
> interactions up e.g. Drag and Drop. So I can't see any immediate need for
> nested menus on the insert menu.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> PS Sorry it's not long enough for a cuppa, but you might squeeze in a
> biscuit :-)
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2012 09:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Do we want an ?Advanced? category? This stuff is getting more like an
> elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend
> to focus on.
>
>
>
> Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu??
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 09:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> 1.       Yes, probably. ?Menus? category? Not sure ?roued page? is the
> right termfor end users?
>
> 2.       Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a
> section in the xwd for ?global optional properties?, like narration, and
> the others that appear throughout the file.
>
> 3.       Yep.
>
> 4.       Can build that into the engine, and have some methods
> ?showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.
>
> 5.       Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems
> sensible.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.
>
>
>
> In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan
> to make available as individual page templates. These are
>
> ?         Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated
> here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link
> type to something other than another page in the project, but offering
> support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)
>
>
>
> ?         Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its
> own destination page.
>
>
>
> ?         Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added
> to other pages in the project
>
>
>
> ?         Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display
> text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any
> of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.
>
>
>
> The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
> has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
> on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
> like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in
> which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be
> displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in
> relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have
> actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when
> they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken.
> Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of
> three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another
> page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger
> a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an
> unsuccessful completion.
>
>
>
> The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
> that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
> together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
> based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
> objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent
> a single location. However the potential exists to create complex
> challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis
> and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results
> in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment
> results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the
> project author so wish!
>
>
>
> The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
>
> 1.      Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
> perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages
> we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?
>
>
>
> 2.      Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as
> Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make
> sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a
> destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page
> author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the
> top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises
> the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision
> to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages
> that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page
> template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use
> this.
>
> 3.       Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop
> Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template)
> environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can
> utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page
> template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
>
> 4.      Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte
> navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than
> providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide
> branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the
> capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and
> route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner
> to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on
> earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be
> useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo
> queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be
> displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on
> a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you
> wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the
> project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to
> review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled
> this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that
> disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on
> page exit.
>
> 5.      We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages.
> Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it
> in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
> much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
> What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
> Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
> template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
> would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
> uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
> Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
> between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
> the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
> page.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>
>
>     // routed pages only
>
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>
>     }
>
>
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
>    // routed pages only
>
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>
>    }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
>
>
> // navigate to destination page
>
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>
>      pageFound = "true";
>
>      destinationIndex = i;
>
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>
>    break;
>
>   } else {
>
>     pageFound = "false";
>
>   }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Fri Feb 17 17:01:37 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:01:37 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and
Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g.
where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the
Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page
it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but
not seriously ;-)

 

2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many examples
where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be good as a
global property but that would only really be relevant to image pages?

 

3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer tool
with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but XOT
users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need the
consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I think
about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT teachers are
more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind themselves of
what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that title rather than
add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to the branching page
to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and if not found look for
page title too to cover both options? My hunch is that user can live with
the knowledge that if they change a page title they'll need to update the
link rather than if they add an ID and then change a page title the ID must
remain what it was or change both the ID and the routing link if you follow
what I mean. Although I understand the concerns about reliability with page
title in XOT it's visible in the tree and when viewing the LO and optional
page ID wouldn't be and could only be seen in each wizard page.

 

4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.

 

5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we
already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some
basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined
hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge
that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to
discuss that?

 

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 February 2012 09:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an
elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend
to focus on.

 

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu.?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 09:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

1.      Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right
termfor end users?



2.      Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section
in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others
that appear throughout the file.

3.      Yep.

4.      Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack()
etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.      Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

 

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to
make available as individual page templates. These are

.        Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated
here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type
to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to
the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

 

.        Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own
destination page.

 

.        Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to
other pages in the project

 

.        Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text,
images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the
tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

 

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which
a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed.
The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the
scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated
with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and
outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the
location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable
scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A
change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation
either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful
completion. 

 

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a
single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging
projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and
treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in
the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results
in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project
author so wish!

 

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues

1.     Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we
should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

 

2.     Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page
Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense
to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination
page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page
name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the
project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility
of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page,
with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it.
With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have
created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this. 

3.      Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte
(Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I
have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID
property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a
pageTemplates / XOT environment). 

4.     Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation
(Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a
single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at
multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a
learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner
according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and
learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed
pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button
that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button
that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none
branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The
content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the
learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you
might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page
Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would
probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation
elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.

5.     We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both
Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in
different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
page.

What do you think?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

 

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

 

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
happy to go along with what you think.

 

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it
to good use.

 

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

 

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound

 

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup
can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be
consistent with other xerte design stuff).

 

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

 

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

 

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
http://www.brokencoworker.com/

 

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind
for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a
revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm
hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

 

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

 

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for
all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was
time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
maniacs.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists
in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

 

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that
can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for
the creation of new page designs.

 

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
their page designs. 

 

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be
given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page
designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application
perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

 

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's
something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us
prioritise the work.

 

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two
tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an
AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in
common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from
toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing
in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I
can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in
toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte
interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates,
but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

 

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
the page's rlm file.

 

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

 

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
project's pages and every page's icons.

 

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set
of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
changes to these files affecting all projects.

 

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

 

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
proposed solution to the issue?

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then
essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting
for some xml payload to drive it?

 

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
to an external model file a la toolkits?

 

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

 

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is
what I think you do..?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
here but my reasons for not going down this route were

 

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be
added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external
xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am
still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the
unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different
purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing
could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a
page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it.
With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this
issue is avoided.

 

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
the project?

 

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
far it has worked reliably.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form

 

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
bits of code?

 

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
'.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name;

newChild.attributes.linkID =
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

  

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);

 

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up
the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page
icons you create here.

 

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in
the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
navigation.

 

 

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan

Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time
now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name"
field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form. 

 

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title
is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a
page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change,
possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when
referring to it as a page destination.

 

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd
file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an
identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

 

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page
templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which
the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection
from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These
will use the new pageID property.

 

This is achieved by using the following code.

 

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
page that offers routing

 

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard 

    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();

    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

 

    // routed pages only

    pageID_array = new Array();

    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){

 
pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attribut
es.pageID);

    }

 

} else { // Toolkits 

   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);

   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();

   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

 

   // routed pages only

   pageID_array = new Array(); 

   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){

     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);

   }  

}

 

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
project with a value for pageID where it has been defined. 

 

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

 

// navigate to destination page

for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){

   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){

     pageFound = "true";

     destinationIndex = i;

     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);  

   break;

  } else {

    pageFound = "false";

  }

}

 

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which
all use a standard method of page identification.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

 

 

On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
object.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett

Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

So much for in vino veritas.


  _____  


From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett

Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

 

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html 

??

 

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)

 


  _____  


From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
page title to navigate to that page.

 

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
managed to call the same function in a script icon?

 

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title
in a page templates project?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

 

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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:25:32 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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In Page Wizards I used the name field exactly because it showed up in the
project tree, but in Xerte the name property does not have to do double
duty as the page title. The whole idea of using a PageID is that you can
change the page title as much as you like and not have to change the
pageID. If you have several links to a page based on page title and then
change the title you are going to have something of a problem tracking down
which pages link to it.

The ideal situation would be to use the property that displays in the
project tree, if only it was not being used as the page title. Since it is
there has to be a pageID to provide robust linking to other pages and to
accommodate those situations where several pages may need to share the same
page title.

I could look at what you suggest, trapping both the pageID and name
properties from the XML but I am concerned that people will use the page
title and then get themselves in a mess. An easy and safer solution to the
matter would be to simply paste the page title into the PageID field,
making it easier to locate a linked page and the link won't break if they
then modify the page title.

Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if
you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then
managing the links takes planning. Careful, planned use of routing can
deliver projects that can guide the learner to the information they need.
It can also support the development of projects that work like simple
expert systems as you can implement projects based on decision trees. It is
this kind of project where the pageID values can take on a more logical
value that reflects their position in the project structure, rather than
reflecting the title of the page. It is also this kind of situation in
which several pages may share the same title.

At the moment my priority has to be to finish the work on the current set
of pages that exist in pageTemplates so that they are ready for Xerte 2.18.

Having developed a number of routed page wizards, which have been waiting
in the wings for inclusion in the official Xerte release for almost 2 years
now, I want to get things right first time when they are launched, rather
than rush things at the eleventh hour. Which is why I suggested deferring
their release until after 2.18. However once my work is completed on the
core 2.18 templates I can start looking again at the routed pages. It may
be that there will still be enough time to get them into the 2.18 release,
which I believe is scheduled for a first quarter of 2012 making it only a
few weeks away.

I appreciate you are eager to start using routed pages in XOT now. I am
happy to enhance the routed hotspot page so that it can offer the
additional features that you would like to see. I cannot guarantee that the
routed pages, when they are released, will be backwardly compatible with a
page that you are currently seeking to create as I will be developing the
routed hotspot page based on my original page and enhancing the code to
provide your additional features. None of the original routed page wizards
will work in their current form in XOT, but as indicated in an earlier
posting I now have a solution for this.

If you would like to talk this through via skype I am happy to do so.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 17 February 2012 17:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> 1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and
> Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g.
> where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the
> Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page
> it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but
> not seriously ;-)
>
>
>
> 2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many
> examples where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be
> good as a global property but that would only really be relevant to image
> pages?
>
>
>
> 3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer
> tool with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but
> XOT users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need
> the consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I
> think about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT
> teachers are more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind
> themselves of what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that
> title rather than add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to
> the branching page to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and
> if not found look for page title too to cover both options? My hunch is
> that user can live with the knowledge that if they change a page title
> they'll need to update the link rather than if they add an ID and then
> change a page title the ID must remain what it was or change both the ID
> and the routing link if you follow what I mean. Although I understand the
> concerns about reliability with page title in XOT it's visible in the tree
> and when viewing the LO and optional page ID wouldn't be and could only be
> seen in each wizard page.
>
>
>
> 4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.
>
>
>
> 5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we
> already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some
> basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined
> hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge
> that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to
> discuss that?
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 09:34
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Do we want an ?Advanced? category? This stuff is getting more like an
> elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend
> to focus on.
>
>
>
> Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu??
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 09:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> 1.      Yes, probably. ?Menus? category? Not sure ?roued page? is the
> right termfor end users?
>
> 2.      Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a
> section in the xwd for ?global optional properties?, like narration, and
> the others that appear throughout the file.
>
> 3.      Yep.
>
> 4.      Can build that into the engine, and have some methods ?showBack()
> etc. I need to find some time to do that.
>
> 5.      Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems
> sensible.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.
>
>
>
> In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan
> to make available as individual page templates. These are
>
> ?        Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated
> here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link
> type to something other than another page in the project, but offering
> support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)
>
>
>
> ?        Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own
> destination page.
>
>
>
> ?        Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added
> to other pages in the project
>
>
>
> ?        Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display
> text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any
> of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.
>
>
>
> The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
> has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
> on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
> like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in
> which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be
> displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in
> relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have
> actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when
> they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken.
> Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of
> three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another
> page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger
> a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an
> unsuccessful completion.
>
>
>
> The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
> that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
> together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
> based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
> objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent
> a single location. However the potential exists to create complex
> challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis
> and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results
> in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment
> results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the
> project author so wish!
>
>
>
> The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
>
> 1.     Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
> perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages
> we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?
>
>
>
> 2.     Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as
> Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make
> sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a
> destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page
> author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the
> top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises
> the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision
> to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages
> that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page
> template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use
> this.
>
> 3.      Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop
> Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template)
> environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can
> utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page
> template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
>
> 4.     Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte
> navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than
> providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide
> branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the
> capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and
> route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner
> to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on
> earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be
> useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo
> queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be
> displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on
> a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you
> wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the
> project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to
> review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled
> this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that
> disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on
> page exit.
>
> 5.     We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both
> Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in
> different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
> much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
> What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
> Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
> template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
> would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
> uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
> Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
> between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
> the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
> page.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>
>
>     // routed pages only
>
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>
>     }
>
>
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
>    // routed pages only
>
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>
>    }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
>
>
> // navigate to destination page
>
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>
>      pageFound = "true";
>
>      destinationIndex = i;
>
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>
>    break;
>
>   } else {
>
>     pageFound = "false";
>
>   }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 18 19:04:52 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:04:52 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Update on status of some pages
Message-ID: <CABtG3=WzhGCX8ZmmirXTeX4L69bk_DYwycLKbn=edaismPHAHw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

As I work through the pages to prepare them as individual page templates I
have a few pages I am unsure about.

Can anyone confirm the current situation

Google Map - I think this is currently compromised by changes that Google
have made is anything happening with the page or is it now dead?

Google Translation - I think this is compromised by a change in Google
policy that will prevent a site from performing more than a few
translations - is this page still being included in future releases?

Mapstraction - is this still a work in progress, or is it now stable and
ready for me to check over for internationalisation?

YouTube Video - The YouTube Feed seems to work fine, but I can't get the
individual video page to work. My model file is identical to the one in the
Xerte SVN for pageTemplates. Have youtube changed the way they structure
their links? Is anyone working to fix the page or is it defunct?

Kind regards

Johnathan.
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 20 09:59:35 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:59:35 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Update on status of some pages
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Google map still works, but returns the wrong image: I don't have inof in the url to use the jpg API call to get a still image, so we should probably just replace it with a default image of a prototypical map, or the google mpas logo, or something. When you click on it, it still launches the map OK.

In time, I have a Mapstraction page which will do better things: what's there will not change as it's the basis of things, BUT I am involved in that project for the next six months, and we may do more with it - I'd leave it for now. One thing they have mentioned is some sort of visual map editor for getting the initial map setup - lat and lng are not friendly to find / use / type.

Google translation is dead. Nothing we can do about that.

Youtube video seems to have some difficult to replicate issues. Sometimes it seems to work OK, sometimes not. Good thing to test is Nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 which ought to have every template's latest code behind it. Today it appears to be working, but took a while to load. In September this year, Google will retire the ASS2 API for youtube, so we will HAVE to go to an embed page or some other alternative. It might be worth doing that sooner rather than later.

Cheers.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 18 February 2012 19:05
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Update on status of some pages

Hi folks,

As I work through the pages to prepare them as individual page templates I have a few pages I am unsure about.

Can anyone confirm the current situation

Google Map - I think this is currently compromised by changes that Google have made is anything happening with the page or is it now dead?

Google Translation - I think this is compromised by a change in Google policy that will prevent a site from performing more than a few translations - is this page still being included in future releases?

Mapstraction - is this still a work in progress, or is it now stable and ready for me to check over for internationalisation?

YouTube Video - The YouTube Feed seems to work fine, but I can't get the individual video page to work. My model file is identical to the one in the Xerte SVN for pageTemplates. Have youtube changed the way they structure their links? Is anyone working to fix the page or is it defunct?

Kind regards

Johnathan.
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 20 10:11:22 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:11:22 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then managing the links takes planning.

Yes. One of the things I have thought quite a lot about over the years, and even tried a few times to build, would be some sort of 'simulation builder' that would allow the content creator to build up complex scenarios with branching and pre-requisites, adaptive presentation etc, and I've never really got anything off the ground - it's hard to see how else it can be done. I think this is something that definitely needs careful planning on paper before the author starts trying to build it. pageIDs are the way to go I think. It could be that this could be best supported though some sort of planning documentation/ storyboard templates that help the author put together the whole thing on paper first,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 19:26
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

In Page Wizards I used the name field exactly because it showed up in the project tree, but in Xerte the name property does not have to do double duty as the page title. The whole idea of using a PageID is that you can change the page title as much as you like and not have to change the pageID. If you have several links to a page based on page title and then change the title you are going to have something of a problem tracking down which pages link to it.

The ideal situation would be to use the property that displays in the project tree, if only it was not being used as the page title. Since it is there has to be a pageID to provide robust linking to other pages and to accommodate those situations where several pages may need to share the same page title.

I could look at what you suggest, trapping both the pageID and name properties from the XML but I am concerned that people will use the page title and then get themselves in a mess. An easy and safer solution to the matter would be to simply paste the page title into the PageID field, making it easier to locate a linked page and the link won't break if they then modify the page title.

Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then managing the links takes planning. Careful, planned use of routing can deliver projects that can guide the learner to the information they need. It can also support the development of projects that work like simple expert systems as you can implement projects based on decision trees. It is this kind of project where the pageID values can take on a more logical value that reflects their position in the project structure, rather than reflecting the title of the page. It is also this kind of situation in which several pages may share the same title.

At the moment my priority has to be to finish the work on the current set of pages that exist in pageTemplates so that they are ready for Xerte 2.18.

Having developed a number of routed page wizards, which have been waiting in the wings for inclusion in the official Xerte release for almost 2 years now, I want to get things right first time when they are launched, rather than rush things at the eleventh hour. Which is why I suggested deferring their release until after 2.18. However once my work is completed on the core 2.18 templates I can start looking again at the routed pages. It may be that there will still be enough time to get them into the 2.18 release, which I believe is scheduled for a first quarter of 2012 making it only a few weeks away.

I appreciate you are eager to start using routed pages in XOT now. I am happy to enhance the routed hotspot page so that it can offer the additional features that you would like to see. I cannot guarantee that the routed pages, when they are released, will be backwardly compatible with a page that you are currently seeking to create as I will be developing the routed hotspot page based on my original page and enhancing the code to provide your additional features. None of the original routed page wizards will work in their current form in XOT, but as indicated in an earlier posting I now have a solution for this.

If you would like to talk this through via skype I am happy to do so.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 17 February 2012 17:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g. where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but not seriously ;-)

2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many examples where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be good as a global property but that would only really be relevant to image pages?

3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer tool with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but XOT users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need the consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I think about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT teachers are more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind themselves of what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that title rather than add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to the branching page to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and if not found look for page title too to cover both options? My hunch is that user can live with the knowledge that if they change a page title they'll need to update the link rather than if they add an ID and then change a page title the ID must remain what it was or change both the ID and the routing link if you follow what I mean. Although I understand the concerns about reliability with page title in XOT it's visible in the tree and when viewing the LO and optional page ID wouldn't be and could only be seen in each wizard page.

4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.

5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to discuss that?

HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 February 2012 09:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend to focus on.

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 09:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


1.      Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.      Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.      Yep.

4.      Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.      Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*        Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*        Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*        Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*        Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.     Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.     Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.      Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.     Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.     We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 20 10:15:07 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:07 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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'Linking Pages' sounds good.

I'd like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks time? Then we can make a new toolkits zip and a new Xerte build with all this stuff in there. What do you think? Long enough? Too soon?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 17 February 2012 17:02
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g. where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but not seriously ;-)

2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many examples where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be good as a global property but that would only really be relevant to image pages?

3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer tool with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but XOT users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need the consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I think about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT teachers are more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind themselves of what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that title rather than add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to the branching page to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and if not found look for page title too to cover both options? My hunch is that user can live with the knowledge that if they change a page title they'll need to update the link rather than if they add an ID and then change a page title the ID must remain what it was or change both the ID and the routing link if you follow what I mean. Although I understand the concerns about reliability with page title in XOT it's visible in the tree and when viewing the LO and optional page ID wouldn't be and could only be seen in each wizard page.

4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.

5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to discuss that?

HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 February 2012 09:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend to focus on.

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 09:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


1.       Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.       Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.       Yep.

4.       Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.       Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*         Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*         Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*         Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*         Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.      Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.      Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.       Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.      Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.      We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 20 11:26:50 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:26:50 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Cheers, yes, that seems right. It's in the engine now, but I haven't done any interface stuff yet:

Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising 'back' button to be 'goBack()' rather than prevPage()?

i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back, rather than the linear 'go to the page with a number one lower than this page's number?'

That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at present, but branching content will work as expected? I'm not missing anything am I?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 12:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:15:23 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Wp Plugin updates
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Hello,

New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.

Seems to be quite popular.

Pat


From jennysong.ss at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 14:12:06 2012
From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:12:06 +0800
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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Thanks for the update!

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>
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>
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:38:16 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Before I retired I put together a couple of routed applications using
Xerte, they weren't so much learning objects as performance support tools.

The hardest part wasn't implementing it in Xerte, once I had created the
routed page wizards, it was getting people to formalise the rules that
governed the business processes.

At the time I looked at a couple of free software tools to see if they
might be of use.

Synthis had a product called Adalon which they released for free once they
stopped supporting it, but it does not appear to be available anymore.

The other product I took a look at using was Compendium - a free download
from the Open University. This is still available and continuing to be
developed and might be bent towards modelling a routed project.

One thing I had thought of, having seen Ron's page that sends information
to the clipboard, was to try to build into the routed pages a facility to
output a project report that would list each page, its title and pageID,
plus the id of any page that the page linked to in the project. The first
bit - title and pageID should be straightforward. I am not sure how I would
crawl down through the layers of the xml definition for each page, given
that different page types have different structures, to identify all the
values for a specific property e.g. exitID.

On the subject of "Routed pages", it would be useful to agree a final name
for them.

The term route has common usage as in "bus route", maybe Routing Pages
would be better. Other ideas I had included "Multi Exit" pages,
"Non-linear" pages. I believe there is a listserv for the non-technical
Xerte / XOT users, perhaps we should post something there to see what they
think would have meaning for them. However I don't know the address of the
list.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 10:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if
> you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then
> managing the links takes planning.
>
>
>
> Yes. One of the things I have thought quite a lot about over the years,
> and even tried a few times to build, would be some sort of ?simulation
> builder? that would allow the content creator to build up complex scenarios
> with branching and pre-requisites, adaptive presentation etc, and I?ve
> never really got anything off the ground ? it?s hard to see how else it can
> be done. I think this is something that definitely needs careful planning
> on paper before the author starts trying to build it. pageIDs are the way
> to go I think. It could be that this could be best supported though some
> sort of planning documentation/ storyboard templates that help the author
> put together the whole thing on paper first,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 19:26
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> In Page Wizards I used the name field exactly because it showed up in the
> project tree, but in Xerte the name property does not have to do double
> duty as the page title. The whole idea of using a PageID is that you can
> change the page title as much as you like and not have to change the
> pageID. If you have several links to a page based on page title and then
> change the title you are going to have something of a problem tracking down
> which pages link to it.
>
>
>
> The ideal situation would be to use the property that displays in the
> project tree, if only it was not being used as the page title. Since it is
> there has to be a pageID to provide robust linking to other pages and to
> accommodate those situations where several pages may need to share the same
> page title.
>
>
>
> I could look at what you suggest, trapping both the pageID and name
> properties from the XML but I am concerned that people will use the page
> title and then get themselves in a mess. An easy and safer solution to the
> matter would be to simply paste the page title into the PageID field,
> making it easier to locate a linked page and the link won't break if they
> then modify the page title.
>
>
>
> Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if
> you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then
> managing the links takes planning. Careful, planned use of routing can
> deliver projects that can guide the learner to the information they need.
> It can also support the development of projects that work like simple
> expert systems as you can implement projects based on decision trees. It is
> this kind of project where the pageID values can take on a more logical
> value that reflects their position in the project structure, rather than
> reflecting the title of the page. It is also this kind of situation in
> which several pages may share the same title.
>
>
>
> At the moment my priority has to be to finish the work on the current set
> of pages that exist in pageTemplates so that they are ready for Xerte
> 2.18.
>
>
>
> Having developed a number of routed page wizards, which have been waiting
> in the wings for inclusion in the official Xerte release for almost 2 years
> now, I want to get things right first time when they are launched, rather
> than rush things at the eleventh hour. Which is why I suggested deferring
> their release until after 2.18. However once my work is completed on the
> core 2.18 templates I can start looking again at the routed pages. It may
> be that there will still be enough time to get them into the 2.18 release,
> which I believe is scheduled for a first quarter of 2012 making it only a
> few weeks away.
>
>
>
> I appreciate you are eager to start using routed pages in XOT now. I am
> happy to enhance the routed hotspot page so that it can offer the
> additional features that you would like to see. I cannot guarantee that the
> routed pages, when they are released, will be backwardly compatible with a
> page that you are currently seeking to create as I will be developing the
> routed hotspot page based on my original page and enhancing the code to
> provide your additional features. None of the original routed page wizards
> will work in their current form in XOT, but as indicated in an earlier
> posting I now have a solution for this.
>
>
>
> If you would like to talk this through via skype I am happy to do so.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2012 17:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
> 1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and
> Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g.
> where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the
> Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page
> it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but
> not seriously ;-)
>
>
>
> 2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many
> examples where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be
> good as a global property but that would only really be relevant to image
> pages?
>
>
>
> 3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer
> tool with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but
> XOT users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need
> the consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I
> think about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT
> teachers are more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind
> themselves of what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that
> title rather than add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to
> the branching page to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and
> if not found look for page title too to cover both options? My hunch is
> that user can live with the knowledge that if they change a page title
> they'll need to update the link rather than if they add an ID and then
> change a page title the ID must remain what it was or change both the ID
> and the routing link if you follow what I mean. Although I understand the
> concerns about reliability with page title in XOT it's visible in the tree
> and when viewing the LO and optional page ID wouldn't be and could only be
> seen in each wizard page.
>
>
>
> 4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.
>
>
>
> 5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we
> already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some
> basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined
> hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge
> that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to
> discuss that?
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 09:34
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Do we want an ?Advanced? category? This stuff is getting more like an
> elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend
> to focus on.
>
>
>
> Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu??
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 09:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> 1.      Yes, probably. ?Menus? category? Not sure ?roued page? is the
> right termfor end users?
>
> 2.      Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a
> section in the xwd for ?global optional properties?, like narration, and
> the others that appear throughout the file.
>
> 3.      Yep.
>
> 4.      Can build that into the engine, and have some methods ?showBack()
> etc. I need to find some time to do that.
>
> 5.      Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems
> sensible.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.
>
>
>
> In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan
> to make available as individual page templates. These are
>
> ?        Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated
> here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link
> type to something other than another page in the project, but offering
> support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)
>
>
>
> ?        Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own
> destination page.
>
>
>
> ?        Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added
> to other pages in the project
>
>
>
> ?        Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display
> text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any
> of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.
>
>
>
> The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and
> has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based
> on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is
> like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in
> which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be
> displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in
> relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have
> actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when
> they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken.
> Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of
> three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another
> page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger
> a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an
> unsuccessful completion.
>
>
>
> The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention
> that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined
> together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text
> based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect
> objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent
> a single location. However the potential exists to create complex
> challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis
> and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results
> in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment
> results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the
> project author so wish!
>
>
>
> The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
>
> 1.     Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages
> perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages
> we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?
>
>
>
> 2.     Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as
> Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make
> sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a
> destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page
> author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the
> top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises
> the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision
> to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages
> that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page
> template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use
> this.
>
> 3.      Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop
> Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template)
> environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can
> utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page
> template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
>
> 4.     Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte
> navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than
> providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide
> branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the
> capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and
> route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner
> to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on
> earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be
> useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo
> queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be
> displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on
> a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you
> wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the
> project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to
> review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled
> this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that
> disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on
> page exit.
>
> 5.     We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both
> Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in
> different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see
> much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing.
> What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page
> Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page
> template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I
> would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that
> uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page
> Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach
> between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of
> the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my
> page.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>
>
>     // routed pages only
>
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>
>     }
>
>
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
>    // routed pages only
>
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>
>    }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
>
>
> // navigate to destination page
>
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>
>      pageFound = "true";
>
>      destinationIndex = i;
>
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>
>    break;
>
>   } else {
>
>     pageFound = "false";
>
>   }
>
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
>
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:50:50 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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We're getting distracted now, but the approach with this that worked best for me was to have nodes, where each node had choices, and each choice had dependencies. The user had an inventory of real and abstract articles that were used to drive the choices.

So user hit node;
Choices presented in line with inventory items;
Choice made - navigate to new node;
Interactivity at new node;
Inventory updated;
Return to the node;
Choices updated;

It worked well as an OO system, but a visual editor for it got tricky pretty quickly... I did enough to demo it at a EuroTAAC, that was probably 2003.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:38
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Before I retired I put together a couple of routed applications using Xerte, they weren't so much learning objects as performance support tools.

The hardest part wasn't implementing it in Xerte, once I had created the routed page wizards, it was getting people to formalise the rules that governed the business processes.

At the time I looked at a couple of free software tools to see if they might be of use.

Synthis had a product called Adalon which they released for free once they stopped supporting it, but it does not appear to be available anymore.

The other product I took a look at using was Compendium - a free download from the Open University. This is still available and continuing to be developed and might be bent towards modelling a routed project.

One thing I had thought of, having seen Ron's page that sends information to the clipboard, was to try to build into the routed pages a facility to output a project report that would list each page, its title and pageID, plus the id of any page that the page linked to in the project. The first bit - title and pageID should be straightforward. I am not sure how I would crawl down through the layers of the xml definition for each page, given that different page types have different structures, to identify all the values for a specific property e.g. exitID.

On the subject of "Routed pages", it would be useful to agree a final name for them.

The term route has common usage as in "bus route", maybe Routing Pages would be better. Other ideas I had included "Multi Exit" pages, "Non-linear" pages. I believe there is a listserv for the non-technical Xerte / XOT users, perhaps we should post something there to see what they think would have meaning for them. However I don't know the address of the list.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 10:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then managing the links takes planning.

Yes. One of the things I have thought quite a lot about over the years, and even tried a few times to build, would be some sort of 'simulation builder' that would allow the content creator to build up complex scenarios with branching and pre-requisites, adaptive presentation etc, and I've never really got anything off the ground - it's hard to see how else it can be done. I think this is something that definitely needs careful planning on paper before the author starts trying to build it. pageIDs are the way to go I think. It could be that this could be best supported though some sort of planning documentation/ storyboard templates that help the author put together the whole thing on paper first,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 19:26
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

In Page Wizards I used the name field exactly because it showed up in the project tree, but in Xerte the name property does not have to do double duty as the page title. The whole idea of using a PageID is that you can change the page title as much as you like and not have to change the pageID. If you have several links to a page based on page title and then change the title you are going to have something of a problem tracking down which pages link to it.

The ideal situation would be to use the property that displays in the project tree, if only it was not being used as the page title. Since it is there has to be a pageID to provide robust linking to other pages and to accommodate those situations where several pages may need to share the same page title.

I could look at what you suggest, trapping both the pageID and name properties from the XML but I am concerned that people will use the page title and then get themselves in a mess. An easy and safer solution to the matter would be to simply paste the page title into the PageID field, making it easier to locate a linked page and the link won't break if they then modify the page title.

Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then managing the links takes planning. Careful, planned use of routing can deliver projects that can guide the learner to the information they need. It can also support the development of projects that work like simple expert systems as you can implement projects based on decision trees. It is this kind of project where the pageID values can take on a more logical value that reflects their position in the project structure, rather than reflecting the title of the page. It is also this kind of situation in which several pages may share the same title.

At the moment my priority has to be to finish the work on the current set of pages that exist in pageTemplates so that they are ready for Xerte 2.18.

Having developed a number of routed page wizards, which have been waiting in the wings for inclusion in the official Xerte release for almost 2 years now, I want to get things right first time when they are launched, rather than rush things at the eleventh hour. Which is why I suggested deferring their release until after 2.18. However once my work is completed on the core 2.18 templates I can start looking again at the routed pages. It may be that there will still be enough time to get them into the 2.18 release, which I believe is scheduled for a first quarter of 2012 making it only a few weeks away.

I appreciate you are eager to start using routed pages in XOT now. I am happy to enhance the routed hotspot page so that it can offer the additional features that you would like to see. I cannot guarantee that the routed pages, when they are released, will be backwardly compatible with a page that you are currently seeking to create as I will be developing the routed hotspot page based on my original page and enhancing the code to provide your additional features. None of the original routed page wizards will work in their current form in XOT, but as indicated in an earlier posting I now have a solution for this.

If you would like to talk this through via skype I am happy to do so.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 17 February 2012 17:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g. where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but not seriously ;-)

2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many examples where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be good as a global property but that would only really be relevant to image pages?

3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer tool with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but XOT users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need the consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I think about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT teachers are more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind themselves of what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that title rather than add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to the branching page to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and if not found look for page title too to cover both options? My hunch is that user can live with the knowledge that if they change a page title they'll need to update the link rather than if they add an ID and then change a page title the ID must remain what it was or change both the ID and the routing link if you follow what I mean. Although I understand the concerns about reliability with page title in XOT it's visible in the tree and when viewing the LO and optional page ID wouldn't be and could only be seen in each wizard page.

4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.

5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to discuss that?

HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 February 2012 09:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend to focus on.

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 09:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


1.      Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.      Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.      Yep.

4.      Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.      Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*        Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*        Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*        Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*        Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.     Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.     Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.      Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.     Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.     We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:52:26 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:38
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Before I retired I put together a couple of routed applications using Xerte, they weren't so much learning objects as performance support tools.

The hardest part wasn't implementing it in Xerte, once I had created the routed page wizards, it was getting people to formalise the rules that governed the business processes.

At the time I looked at a couple of free software tools to see if they might be of use.

Synthis had a product called Adalon which they released for free once they stopped supporting it, but it does not appear to be available anymore.

The other product I took a look at using was Compendium - a free download from the Open University. This is still available and continuing to be developed and might be bent towards modelling a routed project.

One thing I had thought of, having seen Ron's page that sends information to the clipboard, was to try to build into the routed pages a facility to output a project report that would list each page, its title and pageID, plus the id of any page that the page linked to in the project. The first bit - title and pageID should be straightforward. I am not sure how I would crawl down through the layers of the xml definition for each page, given that different page types have different structures, to identify all the values for a specific property e.g. exitID.

On the subject of "Routed pages", it would be useful to agree a final name for them.

The term route has common usage as in "bus route", maybe Routing Pages would be better. Other ideas I had included "Multi Exit" pages, "Non-linear" pages. I believe there is a listserv for the non-technical Xerte / XOT users, perhaps we should post something there to see what they think would have meaning for them. However I don't know the address of the list.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 10:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then managing the links takes planning.

Yes. One of the things I have thought quite a lot about over the years, and even tried a few times to build, would be some sort of 'simulation builder' that would allow the content creator to build up complex scenarios with branching and pre-requisites, adaptive presentation etc, and I've never really got anything off the ground - it's hard to see how else it can be done. I think this is something that definitely needs careful planning on paper before the author starts trying to build it. pageIDs are the way to go I think. It could be that this could be best supported though some sort of planning documentation/ storyboard templates that help the author put together the whole thing on paper first,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 19:26
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

In Page Wizards I used the name field exactly because it showed up in the project tree, but in Xerte the name property does not have to do double duty as the page title. The whole idea of using a PageID is that you can change the page title as much as you like and not have to change the pageID. If you have several links to a page based on page title and then change the title you are going to have something of a problem tracking down which pages link to it.

The ideal situation would be to use the property that displays in the project tree, if only it was not being used as the page title. Since it is there has to be a pageID to provide robust linking to other pages and to accommodate those situations where several pages may need to share the same page title.

I could look at what you suggest, trapping both the pageID and name properties from the XML but I am concerned that people will use the page title and then get themselves in a mess. An easy and safer solution to the matter would be to simply paste the page title into the PageID field, making it easier to locate a linked page and the link won't break if they then modify the page title.

Using one page to link to a few others may not be much of an issue, but if you have a project in which most of the pages are routed pages then managing the links takes planning. Careful, planned use of routing can deliver projects that can guide the learner to the information they need. It can also support the development of projects that work like simple expert systems as you can implement projects based on decision trees. It is this kind of project where the pageID values can take on a more logical value that reflects their position in the project structure, rather than reflecting the title of the page. It is also this kind of situation in which several pages may share the same title.

At the moment my priority has to be to finish the work on the current set of pages that exist in pageTemplates so that they are ready for Xerte 2.18.

Having developed a number of routed page wizards, which have been waiting in the wings for inclusion in the official Xerte release for almost 2 years now, I want to get things right first time when they are launched, rather than rush things at the eleventh hour. Which is why I suggested deferring their release until after 2.18. However once my work is completed on the core 2.18 templates I can start looking again at the routed pages. It may be that there will still be enough time to get them into the 2.18 release, which I believe is scheduled for a first quarter of 2012 making it only a few weeks away.

I appreciate you are eager to start using routed pages in XOT now. I am happy to enhance the routed hotspot page so that it can offer the additional features that you would like to see. I cannot guarantee that the routed pages, when they are released, will be backwardly compatible with a page that you are currently seeking to create as I will be developing the routed hotspot page based on my original page and enhancing the code to provide your additional features. None of the original routed page wizards will work in their current form in XOT, but as indicated in an earlier posting I now have a solution for this.

If you would like to talk this through via skype I am happy to do so.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 17 February 2012 17:01, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
1. what about 'Linking Pages' and move the Navigators > Links page and Navigators > New Window page into that menu? To me that makes sense e.g. where the page is aimed at clicking a link to go somewhere it goes in the Linking pages menu but where it's about loading content into the same page it's a navigator. For a brief moment I'm thinking chunkers and linkers but not seriously ;-)

2. global optional properties sounds good but aren't there too many examples where that wouldn't be relevant? e.g. a transition option would be good as a global property but that would only really be relevant to image pages?

3. My perspective is that anyone with the skillset to use the developer tool with or without page wizards can work with whatever is provided but XOT users and particularly teachers rather than learning technologists need the consistency of interface and options we have at the moment. When I think about the workflow of adding a routed image hotpot page in XOT teachers are more likely to look down the tree of page titles to remind themselves of what they want to link to and probably copy and paste that title rather than add a title and a page ID to those pages and then back to the branching page to add the ID. Perhaps the code should look for ID and if not found look for page title too to cover both options? My hunch is that user can live with the knowledge that if they change a page title they'll need to update the link rather than if they add an ID and then change a page title the ID must remain what it was or change both the ID and the routing link if you follow what I mean. Although I understand the concerns about reliability with page title in XOT it's visible in the tree and when viewing the LO and optional page ID wouldn't be and could only be seen in each wizard page.

4. Thanks will try what you've added at some point.

5. Yes agreed merging is the best idea but I want to make use of what we already have in XOT sooner rather than later. I wonder if we can agree some basics that won't change so that I can add what we have now with a combined hot spot image linking page to various XOT installations in the knowledge that it won't break with a future release? Happy to perhaps have a skype to discuss that?

HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 February 2012 09:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Do we want an 'Advanced' category? This stuff is getting more like an elearning developers tools, rather than the simple content creation we tend to focus on.

Do we want nested menus (he says a little nervously) on the insert menu...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 09:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name


1.      Yes, probably. 'Menus' category? Not sure 'roued page' is the right termfor end users?

2.      Yes, as an optional property, why not. We mought to have a section in the xwd for 'global optional properties', like narration, and the others that appear throughout the file.

3.      Yep.

4.      Can build that into the engine, and have some methods 'showBack() etc. I need to find some time to do that.

5.      Merge the two between you, Ron has already said that seems sensible.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I am delighted to see the interest that is being shown in routed pages.

In the Page Wizards I developed originally four routed pages that I plan to make available as individual page templates. These are
*        Routed Hotspot Image (very similar to what Ron has demonstrated here though currently lacking the optional parameter to change the link type to something other than another page in the project, but offering support to the author to help identify errors in destination specification)

*        Routed Multiple Choice Question - each answer option has its own destination page.

*        Routed Plain Text - Text page in which hyperlinks can be added to other pages in the project

*        Routed Tab Navigation - A tab navigator page that can display text, images, swfs including flash paper and can also have options on any of the tabs that provide a routed link to another page.

The scenario page is a later addition that post dates the Page Wizards and has not yet been made publicly available. Whilst the other pages were based on existing pages but added the routing capability, the scenario page is like nothing currently available. The scenario page provides a page in which a text description of a scenario and an image / swf / flv can be displayed. The page also allows the defining of effects and actions in relation to the scenario. Props can also be located in the page that have actions associated with them. Actions have conditions which control when they are available and outcomes which take place when an action is taken. Outcomes can change the location of props, increment or decrement one of three author definable scores, and also result in being routed to another page in the project. A change of score beyond a specified value can trigger a "game end" situation either a successful completion of the scenario or an unsuccessful completion.

The scenario page can stand alone, but it is designed with the intention that a project can be comprised of several scenario pages that combined together to deliver the full experience. A simple example could be a text based adventure in which you can move from location to location, collect objects and use them to complete tasks. Each scenario page would represent a single location. However the potential exists to create complex challenging projects with serious learning in mind e.g. a medical diagnosis and treatment scenario in which the correct diagnosis and treatment results in the patient getting better and inappropriate diagnosis or treatment results in the gradual decline of the patient, or even demise should the project author so wish!

The matter of routed pages raises a few issues
1.     Where do we put the pages - Can I suggest that since these pages perform a significantly different function to the current navigator pages we should provide them with their own menu option i.e. Routed Pages?

2.     Whilst routed pages have been available for about two years as Page Wizards they will be new to most Xerte users. I believe it would make sense to ensure that they all use the same page property to identify a destination page so that they offer a consistent experience to the page author. The page name is already doing duty as the title displayed in the top left of the project window. As mentioned in an earlier post this raises the possibility of links from routed pages being broken by a late decision to rename a page, with no easy way of tracing this back to all the pages that route to it. With this in mind I have added to every individual page template that I have created an optional PageID property. I propose we use this.
3.      Any solution must be designed to operate in both the desktop Xerte (Individual Page Template) and XOT (project wide template) environments (I have already indicated in an earlier posting how we can utilise the PageID property to enable routing in both an individual page template and a pageTemplates / XOT environment).
4.     Navigation - Once you have routed pages the standard xerte navigation (Next and Previous) can become inappropriate. Rather than providing just a single menu, routed pages have the potential to provide branch points at multiple locations in a project. This provides the capability to provide a learning sequence and then test understanding and route the learner according to their response. They can allow the learner to take risks and learn the consequences of their decisions. Based on earlier work with routed pages I suggest the following navigation would be useful. A) a back button that worked like a browser back button i.e. a lifo queue. B) a next button that can be turned on or off so that it can be displayed during none branching sections of the project and hidden when on a routed page. The content menu would also be less appropriate, unless you wanted to allow the learner to exit the routing that was built into the project, so again you might want to turn that off. I probably need to review my current Page Wizards to refresh my memory as to how they handled this as you would probably want to have settings in a routed page that disabled navigation elements on opening the page and re-enabled them on page exit.
5.     We now have the luxury of two candidate routed Hotspot pages. Both Ron's page and mine do the same thing, but under the hood they do it in different ways. Each offer some features the other does not. I can't see much point in implementing two pages that do pretty much the same thing. What makes sense to me is to recognise that both Ron's page and my Page Wizard will need some reworking in order to work both as an individual page template and as part of a XOT project. If Ron is happy for me to do this I would like to have a go at implementing an individual page template that uses the pageID navigation approach and combines the features of his Page Template and my Page Wizard. This would ensure a consistency of approach between all the Routed pages whilst including  as much (hopefully all) of the functionality unique to Ron's page and the functionality unique to my page.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 15 February 2012 16:36, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.

Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.

I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.

I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.

So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:
internal link via page title
internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
external link
sound

The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).

Is this a 'Navigators' page type?

What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)

With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/

I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip

Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

>Xerte is such a beautiful application

You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.

XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.

I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.

I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.

We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.

I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.

I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.

This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.

I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.

In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.

It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.

Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?

Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?

I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.

There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were

1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.
2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.
4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.

Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?

I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form

Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?

if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
  //is there an initObject...?
  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
  }
} else {
 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');
}
newChild = newXML.firstChild;
newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;
newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;

if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
  linkIndex = i;
}
ifc.appendChild(newChild);

newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.

You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.

In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.

As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.

I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.

This is achieved by using the following code.

In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing

if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}

This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.

Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}

This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

:-)
sleep worked!
Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

So much for in vino veritas.
________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
Thanks for the suggestion Dave
but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
Cheers
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
??

I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
:-)

________________________________
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
Hi
I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.

I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?

Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?

Cheers
Ron


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 20 16:52:37 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:52:37 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back
button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.

I?d like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks time?

I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though there
are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still cannot
take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title property of
the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the possibility of
having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.

The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name
property from the xml the page icons current title had already been
processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and
the second page showing the title for the first page.

I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates
offering glossary etc.

A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most of
the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard
that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I
uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout
Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates
(layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml
data from the layout wizard.

Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning
object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout
settings as possible.

Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
keep all colours in the style sheet?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Cheers, yes, that seems right. It?s in the engine now, but I haven?t done
> any interface stuff yet:
>
>
>
> Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising ?back? button to
> be ?goBack()? rather than prevPage()?
>
>
>
> i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back,
> rather than the linear ?go to the page with a number one lower than this
> page?s number??
>
>
>
> That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at
> present, but branching content will work as expected? I?m not missing
> anything am I?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 12:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back
> button was pressed.
>
> e.g. stack shown in brackets
>
> In A
>
> exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
>
> in C [A,B]
>
> exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to
> it
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
>
> in D [A,B]
>
> exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
>
> in B [A]
>
>
>
> This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you
> described below.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I?m going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way
> browsers do things?
>
>
>
> So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a
> browser?
>
>
>
> You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don?t know what happens
> here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array,
> rather than the last entry of the current location - but I?m not sure. I
> think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it
> for another day?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 13:28
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is
> visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page
> index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.
>
>
>
> Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some
> sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 12:59
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
> visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
> cover this situation?
>
>
>
> With a back button how far back would we need to go?
>
>
>
> I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
> holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:59:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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I'll do that goBack thing then. Try it out and see what happens. The button is already labelled 'back' and this is more like 'back' than at present. Thanks for sorting out the logic.

I'll return to this other stuff tomorrow...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:53
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.

I'd like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks time?

I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.

The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name property from the xml the page icons current title had already been processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and the second page showing the title for the first page.

I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates offering glossary etc.

A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml data from the layout wizard.

Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout settings as possible.

Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Cheers, yes, that seems right. It's in the engine now, but I haven't done any interface stuff yet:

Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising 'back' button to be 'goBack()' rather than prevPage()?

i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back, rather than the linear 'go to the page with a number one lower than this page's number?'

That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at present, but branching content will work as expected? I'm not missing anything am I?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



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Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:11:54 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: [Xerte] Re: Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap
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This is getting to be a developer's thread, so moved it here:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/flex-community-summit-december-2011/open-discussion-about-falcon-and-falconjs

Interesting, as is the discussion afterwards, but it looks  a long way from anything useful: but it is my assertion that someone will do a sensible tool / framework / OOP thing and get it pumping out html5 whilst shielding the developer from the .js limitations and frustrations.

i even started thinking about a xerte-like xml editor and a javascript runtime: if you worked on the original set of icons in xerte, most of them wouldn't be so hard to do in javascript with some help from something like jquery:

Text? Tick
Image? Tick
Video? <video>. Much easier. Tick
Sound? <audio>. Also much easier. Tick
Page? <div> tick
Framework? <div> manager. Tick.
Entry Frame? Global <div>. Tick
Decision? Advanced <div> manager. Tick.
Interaction? Hmm. Would probably just use events and event responses, but otherwise it's a <div> manager like FW or DEC.
Script? <script> I guess, if you can execute javascript from xml files, which I assume you can.

That's most of them (except drawing), and to start with you ought to be able to handle the media and pages on (nested) frameworks. That would do a lot of what people use most.

So who's gonna make a start on it?
;-)

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:08
To: Xerte list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap

>author once, deliver to any browser

Wasn't that Java?
;-)



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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:02:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap
Well, there is a race on for good component based framework that can do author once, deliver to any browser, and if they can get .mxml pumping out JavaScript, css and html then brilliant, especially if you happen to know a guy who can write .mxml editors with an elearning flavour to them...

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 20 February 2012 15:55
To: Xerte list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap

Yes, noticed that.

"Prototype" and "after"
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:53:00 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap
This was the interesting bit:

Falcon JS compiler contribution to Apache
Falcon JS is an experimental ActionScript 3 compiler that targets JavaScript rather than the Flash Runtime. Adobe will contribute the prototype of Falcon JS source code to the Apache Flex Project after the completion and contribution of Falcon 1.0.


From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 20 February 2012 15:49
To: Xerte list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap



"Flash Platform technology will continue to evolve with a focus on gaming and premium video."


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To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:26:07 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Future of Xerte: Flex Roadmap
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 20 22:51:24 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:51:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
	Learning Object icon
Message-ID: <CABtG3=VqOa-FwqSmVeONL4w9Es1Ei=M6KdZH3OtdzQgwkixY7A@mail.gmail.com>

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
"Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 21 11:25:39 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:25:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the	Learning Object icon
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Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 21 12:51:42 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:51:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate
projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Try this one please.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
>
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
>
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
>
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 21 13:16:23 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:16:23 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 21 13:29:33 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:29:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

You can set all the styles through code (STYLES.styleName = value), you then have to refresh the apge. See the code in engine loadstylesheet function

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:53
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.

I'd like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks time?

I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.

The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name property from the xml the page icons current title had already been processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and the second page showing the title for the first page.

I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates offering glossary etc.

A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml data from the layout wizard.

Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout settings as possible.

Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Cheers, yes, that seems right. It's in the engine now, but I haven't done any interface stuff yet:

Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising 'back' button to be 'goBack()' rather than prevPage()?

i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back, rather than the linear 'go to the page with a number one lower than this page's number?'

That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at present, but branching content will work as expected? I'm not missing anything am I?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



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Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:38:09 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 12:52
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
>
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
>
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
>
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
>
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>     // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
>
>
> with
>
>
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>   // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
>
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Given that the line
>
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
>
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
>
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Try this one please.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
>
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
>
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
>
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 21 14:38:29 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 21 16:52:48 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:52:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access
it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this
will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 12:52
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
>
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
>
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
>
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
>
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>     // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
>
>
> with
>
>
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>   // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
>
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Given that the line
>
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
>
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
>
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Try this one please.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
>
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
>
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
>
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
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> not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 21 16:54:49 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:54:49 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 21 17:04:24 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:04:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Nope.

I am currently looking at using an xwd with the project file thus creating
a templateData value on the learning object. It allows me to offer form
driven project configuration even though it contains no page information.

This was why I needed to change from the original test

if (extXML == undefined){
  // page wizard

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop
> template project.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Neither am I.
>
>
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
>
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
>
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 14:38
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 12:52
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
>
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
>
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
>
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
>
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>     // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
>
>
> with
>
>
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>   // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
>
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Given that the line
>
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
>
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
>
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Try this one please.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
>
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
>
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
>
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 22 07:18:20 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:18:20 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page
Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop
> template project.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Neither am I.
>
>
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
>
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
>
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 14:38
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 12:52
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
>
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
>
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
>
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
>
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>     // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
>
>
> with
>
>
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>   // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>    // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
>
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Given that the line
>
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
>
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
>
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Try this one please.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
>
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
>
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
>
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
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From reijnders at tor.nl  Wed Feb 22 10:18:43 2012
From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:18:43 +0100
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Julian, Jonathan,

I am not sure whther I committed the latest changes to the editor to fix 
the bug of generating pages beyond 9.
Julian, is your fix checked in already? I'll check, and let you know 
(and if needed will commit).

In the editor I differentiate between a PageTemplates project and 
(possibly) a Page wizard project (enable or disable the Pages menu) 
based on the extension.

Tom

Op 22-2-2012 8:18, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a 
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, 
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO
>     icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs
>     either XOT or a desktop template project.
>
>     *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Kemp Johnathan
>     *Sent:* 21 February 2012 16:53
>
>
>     *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>     *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup
>     script to the Learning Object icon
>
>     Neither am I.
>
>     I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able
>     to access it.
>
>     Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
>     template.rlt.
>
>     It might be easier to check the file name rather than the
>     extension as this will be available in templateData.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Johnathan
>
>     On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney
>     <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Not sure how you get it mind.
>
>     *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Kemp Johnathan
>     *Sent:* 21 February 2012 14:38
>
>
>     *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>     *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup
>     script to the Learning Object icon
>
>     Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
>     JK
>
>     On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney
>     <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
>     *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Kemp Johnathan
>     *Sent:* 21 February 2012 12:52
>     *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>     *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup
>     script to the Learning Object icon
>
>     Hello Julian,
>
>     Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved
>     the problem :-)
>
>     Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page
>     projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is
>     resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the
>     project can take the project name from the extXML file just as
>     with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
>     So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
>     pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
>     What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
>     pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
>     Then I can replace the original block
>
>     if (extXML == undefined){
>         // Page Wizard
>         pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>         pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>     } else {
>        // Toolkits
>        myXML = new
>     XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
>        pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>        rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>     }
>
>     with
>
>     if (xMode == undefined){
>        // Page Wizard
>        pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>       // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>     } else {
>        // Toolkits
>        myXML = new
>     XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
>        pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>        // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>     }
>     rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>     The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there
>     to make explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
>     Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment
>     would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project
>     (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new
>     Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and
>     future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.
>
>     What do you think?
>
>     Given that the line
>
>     rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>     works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page
>     icon to set it's title property that we could use
>
>     pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
>     As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set
>     up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display
>     of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Johnathan
>
>     On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney
>     <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Try this one please.
>
>     *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Kemp Johnathan
>     *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
>     *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
>     *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup
>     script to the Learning Object icon
>
>     I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
>     pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that
>     handles individual page templates..
>
>     However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up
>     scripts as children of the Learning Object.
>
>     If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a
>     new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder
>     and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder.
>     However the insertion of the page model file into the project
>     fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the
>     wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar
>     and won't open again.
>
>     If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the
>     project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Johnathan
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 22 10:28:03 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:28:03 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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check it in, I wasn't sure if I had the latest code. I didn't do very much anyway, just added that xmlnode.prototype.getchildbyid, and then used it to find the interface node, line 3740ish
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Sent: 22 February 2012 10:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Julian, Jonathan,

I am not sure whther I committed the latest changes to the editor to fix the bug of generating pages beyond 9.
Julian, is your fix checked in already? I'll check, and let you know (and if needed will commit).

In the editor I differentiate between a PageTemplates project and (possibly) a Page wizard project (enable or disable the Pages menu) based on the extension.

Tom

Op 22-2-2012 8:18, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From jennysong.ss at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 10:49:59 2012
From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:49:59 +0800
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working.
 From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is
wrong, missed out *ne/post_id/*
file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the update!
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <
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>
>> Hello,
>>
>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>
>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 22 11:05:46 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:05:46 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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Nothing changed in that file....

Maybe it was the wizard. 

Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.

Won't be near my computer for two days.......

Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is the wizard? Would really help.

On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working. 
>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is wrong, missed out ne/post_id/
> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
> 
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the update!
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
> 
> Seems to be quite popular.
> 
> Pat
> 
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 22 11:19:41 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:19:41 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
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How do you access the information about the extension?

Is this easily accessible from the actionscript of an rlm file, and if so
how?

If there are changes to the editor can you ensure that the change that
Julian made that fixed the problem, that the use of a setup script on the
learning object broke the adding of new pages routine, is included in the
updated editor..

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 22 February 2012 10:18, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:

>  Julian, Jonathan,
>
> I am not sure whther I committed the latest changes to the editor to fix
> the bug of generating pages beyond 9.
> Julian, is your fix checked in already? I'll check, and let you know (and
> if needed will commit).
>
> In the editor I differentiate between a PageTemplates project and
> (possibly) a Page wizard project (enable or disable the Pages menu) based
> on the extension.
>
> Tom
>
> Op 22-2-2012 8:18, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
>  If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
>  if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
>  What do you think?
>
>  Kind regards
>
>  Johnathan
>
>  On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>>  Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon?
>> If undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a
>> desktop template project.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 16:53
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
>> to the Learning Object icon
>>
>>
>>
>> Neither am I.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
>> access it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
>> template.rlt.
>>
>>
>>
>> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
>> this will be available in templateData.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure how you get it mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 14:38
>>
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
>> to the Learning Object icon
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>>
>>
>>
>> JK
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 21 February 2012 12:52
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
>> to the Learning Object icon
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Julian,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
>> problem :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
>> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
>> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
>> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
>> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
>> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>>
>>
>>
>> Then I can replace the original block
>>
>>
>>
>> if (extXML == undefined){
>>     // Page Wizard
>>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>> } else {
>>    // Toolkits
>>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
>> pgOffset]);
>>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> with
>>
>>
>>
>> if (xMode == undefined){
>>    // Page Wizard
>>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>>   // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>> } else {
>>    // Toolkits
>>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
>> pgOffset]);
>>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>>    // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>> }
>> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>>
>>
>>
>> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to
>> make explicit the changes I am proposing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
>> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
>> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
>> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
>> had the xMode variable set.
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that the line
>>
>> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>>
>>
>>
>> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to
>> set it's title property that we could use
>>
>>
>>
>> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>>
>>
>>
>> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
>> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
>> in the TOC though) mmm.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Try this one please.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 22:51
>> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
>> the Learning Object icon
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
>> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
>> individual page templates..
>>
>>
>>
>> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up
>> scripts as children of the Learning Object.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
>> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
>> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
>> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
>> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
>> to the task bar and won't open again.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
>> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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From jennysong.ss at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 11:23:01 2012
From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:23:01 +0800
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one, it
may give wrong image.
I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see from
this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and save.php.
  if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
            if(.....){
                chmod(......);
               print("$target_dir");
            }else{
              print("$target_dir");
            }

        }


On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> Nothing changed in that file....
>
> Maybe it was the wizard.
>
> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
>
> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
>
> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is
> the wizard? Would really help.
>
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working.
>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is
> wrong, missed out *ne/post_id/*
> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the update!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>>
>>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 22 12:51:51 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:51:51 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
Message-ID: <CABtG3=WZi9ebo-C3ZAOFUzavPPK=xei9nBBe+pstoL6v9pLU3w@mail.gmail.com>

The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves
to focus the mind.

I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think
still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed.
I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are
no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
delivers on time.

I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
"Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.

I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free
to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
progress.

As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
accordingly in the svn.

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 22 12:58:15 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:58:15 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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Ok, will test when I get back

On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one, it may give wrong image.
> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see from this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and save.php.
>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>             if(.....){
>                 chmod(......);
>                print("$target_dir");
>             }else{
>               print("$target_dir");            
>             }
>         
>         }
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Nothing changed in that file....
> 
> Maybe it was the wizard. 
> 
> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
> 
> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
> 
> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is the wizard? Would really help.
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working. 
>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is wrong, missed out ne/post_id/
>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the update!
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>> 
>> Seems to be quite popular.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
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>> 
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>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 22 13:03:58 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:03:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte 2.18 State of play
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Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves to focus the mind.

I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project delivers on time.

I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.

I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on progress.

As people complete things perhaps they could update the document accordingly in the svn.

Kind regards

Johnathan





From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:17:58 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:17:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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File names of those that worked?

On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one, it may give wrong image.
> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see from this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and save.php.
>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>             if(.....){
>                 chmod(......);
>                print("$target_dir");
>             }else{
>               print("$target_dir");            
>             }
>         
>         }
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Nothing changed in that file....
> 
> Maybe it was the wizard. 
> 
> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
> 
> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
> 
> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is the wizard? Would really help.
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working. 
>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is wrong, missed out ne/post_id/
>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the update!
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>> 
>> Seems to be quite popular.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>> 
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>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
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>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
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> 
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> 
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
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> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
> 
> 
> 
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> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
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> 
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
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From jennysong.ss at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:36:27 2012
From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:36:27 +0800
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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png and jpg worked. jpep not

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> File names of those that worked?
>
>
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one, it
> may give wrong image.
> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see from
> this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and save.php.
>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>             if(.....){
>                 chmod(......);
>                print("$target_dir");
>             }else{
>               print("$target_dir");
>             }
>
>         }
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nothing changed in that file....
>>
>> Maybe it was the wizard.
>>
>> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
>>
>> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
>>
>> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is
>> the wizard? Would really help.
>>
>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working.
>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name
>> is wrong, missed out *ne/post_id/*
>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com><jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com><patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>>>>  <Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> <Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>  <http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev><http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev>
>>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>>>
>>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
>>>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message
>>>> in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
>>>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>>>> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>>>> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>>>
>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>>> attachment
>>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer
>>>> system:
>>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with
>>>> the
>>>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
>>>> legislation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>  This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message
>> in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do
>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>> any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email
>> do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>> computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as
>> permitted by UK legislation.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> <Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>  <http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev>
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
>> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>> attachment
>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer
>> system:
>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>  <http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev>
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
>> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>> attachment
>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer
>> system:
>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
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>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
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>
>
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> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:40:15 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:40:15 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
In-Reply-To: <CAD58D422_WwP8dKaWsrHmmKP4JA9dnzF5S7ermS3ApsS4EzpoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2PinMtUiT78BrgZhP3yLm_U-JKh_bKMBcFTFfHLffbvkh-5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD58D41DODb2yBd=dnnmi90UyaEP6tW8gt9SAcPjjQ_2r2vgrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD58D42A_zK8Ujt0=FBusG9wnT+UiXKBW4rnrtN4Vw5gWuoeFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E9DEBEB-EFE3-4D38-8BBB-220E8B4781A8@googlemail.com>
	<CAD58D43tZR+P7WjRbPVOgk0XE3d5FduYcfLaEddRw1bzPtNC5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF089AAB-F9E3-4FE9-8595-B984EC0F7734@googlemail.com>
	<CAD58D422_WwP8dKaWsrHmmKP4JA9dnzF5S7ermS3ApsS4EzpoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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4 letter extension?

Try renaming to jpg

On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:36, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> png and jpg worked. jpep not
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
> File names of those that worked?
> 
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one, it may give wrong image.
>> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see from this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and save.php.
>>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>>             if(.....){
>>                 chmod(......);
>>                print("$target_dir");
>>             }else{
>>               print("$target_dir");            
>>             }
>>         
>>         }
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Nothing changed in that file....
>> 
>> Maybe it was the wizard. 
>> 
>> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
>> 
>> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
>> 
>> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is the wizard? Would really help.
>> 
>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working. 
>>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is wrong, missed out ne/post_id/
>>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the update!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>> 
>>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>> 
>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>> 
>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error,  please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>> 
>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>> 
>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>> 
>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
>>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>> 
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> 
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
>> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
>> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xerte-dev mailing list
> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
> 
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
> 
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the
> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
> 
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
> 
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment
> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
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From jennysong.ss at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:37:07 2012
From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:37:07 +0800
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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References: <CAO2PinMtUiT78BrgZhP3yLm_U-JKh_bKMBcFTFfHLffbvkh-5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD58D41DODb2yBd=dnnmi90UyaEP6tW8gt9SAcPjjQ_2r2vgrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD58D42A_zK8Ujt0=FBusG9wnT+UiXKBW4rnrtN4Vw5gWuoeFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E9DEBEB-EFE3-4D38-8BBB-220E8B4781A8@googlemail.com>
	<CAD58D43tZR+P7WjRbPVOgk0XE3d5FduYcfLaEddRw1bzPtNC5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF089AAB-F9E3-4FE9-8595-B984EC0F7734@googlemail.com>
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sorry, jpeg

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> png and jpg worked. jpep not
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Pat Lockley <
> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> File names of those that worked?
>>
>>
>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one,
>> it may give wrong image.
>> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see
>> from this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and
>> save.php.
>>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>>             if(.....){
>>                 chmod(......);
>>                print("$target_dir");
>>             }else{
>>               print("$target_dir");
>>             }
>>
>>         }
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing changed in that file....
>>>
>>> Maybe it was the wizard.
>>>
>>> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
>>>
>>> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
>>>
>>> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it
>>> is the wizard? Would really help.
>>>
>>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working.
>>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name
>>> is wrong, missed out *ne/post_id/*
>>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com><jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com><patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>>>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Xerte-dev mailing list
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 22 13:46:44 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:46:44 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From jennysong.ss at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:51:55 2012
From: jennysong.ss at gmail.com (Jenny.S)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:51:55 +0800
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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yes, change to 3 letters and it works :-)
response file_name still wrong but that doesn't matter

by the way, although the post is saved but  the response of save.php is
always File has been corrupted.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> 4 letter extension?
>
> Try renaming to jpg
>
>
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:36, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> png and jpg worked. jpep not
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> File names of those that worked?
>>
>>
>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one,
>> it may give wrong image.
>> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see
>> from this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and
>> save.php.
>>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>>             if(.....){
>>                 chmod(......);
>>                print("$target_dir");
>>             }else{
>>               print("$target_dir");
>>             }
>>
>>         }
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com><patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing changed in that file....
>>>
>>> Maybe it was the wizard.
>>>
>>> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
>>>
>>> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
>>>
>>> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it
>>> is the wizard? Would really help.
>>>
>>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com><jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working.
>>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name
>>> is wrong, missed out *ne/post_id/*
>>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S < <jennysong.ss at gmail.com><jennysong.ss at gmail.com><jennysong.ss at gmail.com>
>>> jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com><patrick.lockley at googlemail.com><patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>>>> patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:56:34 2012
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Wp Plugin updates
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Ok. Will try to fix it on Friday.

On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:51, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:

> yes, change to 3 letters and it works :-)
> response file_name still wrong but that doesn't matter
> 
> by the way, although the post is saved but  the response of save.php is always File has been corrupted.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 4 letter extension?
> 
> Try renaming to jpg
> 
> 
> On 22 Feb 2012, at 13:36, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> png and jpg worked. jpep not
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> File names of those that worked?
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:23, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Some images can be uploaded, some can't. When preview the uploaded one, it may give wrong image.
>>> I tried print($target_dir) at following, but there's no output to see from this upload.php, I  can only see response from file_exist.php and save.php.
>>>   if(is_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'])){
>>>             if(.....){
>>>                 chmod(......);
>>>                print("$target_dir");
>>>             }else{
>>>               print("$target_dir");            
>>>             }
>>>         
>>>         }
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Nothing changed in that file....
>>> 
>>> Maybe it was the wizard. 
>>> 
>>> Did some work to try and make it work on multi site.
>>> 
>>> Won't be near my computer for two days.......
>>> 
>>> Could you edit the upload.php file to show what is posted to see if it is the wizard? Would really help.
>>> 
>>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:49, "Jenny.S" <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Pat, I just tried the new version, the uploader not working. 
>>>>  From the Firebug/Net, can see the response is false, and the file name is wrong, missed out ne/post_id/
>>>> file_name../wp-content/uploads/xerte-onlimedia/beibei.jpeg
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Jenny.S <jennysong.ss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> New version out, no new features just a few bug fixes.
>>>> 
>>>> Seems to be quite popular.
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
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From reijnders at tor.nl  Thu Feb 23 10:42:32 2012
From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:42:32 +0100
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Done, and included (I think) your changes as well.
I wonder about those though..., you can't add pages to a Framework icon 
anymore, if I understand the code correctly....
Jonthan, an editor with both fixes included is in svn now (in runtime/tools)

Will look at your list when I am back from skiing... :-)

Op 22-2-2012 11:28, Julian Tenney schreef:
> check it in, I wasn't sure if I had the latest code. I didn't do very much anyway, just added that xmlnode.prototype.getchildbyid, and then used it to find the interface node, line 3740ish
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 10:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon
>
> Julian, Jonathan,
>
> I am not sure whther I committed the latest changes to the editor to fix the bug of generating pages beyond 9.
> Julian, is your fix checked in already? I'll check, and let you know (and if needed will commit).
>
> In the editor I differentiate between a PageTemplates project and (possibly) a Page wizard project (enable or disable the Pages menu) based on the extension.
>
> Tom
>
> Op 22-2-2012 8:18, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>      // Page Wizard
>      pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>      pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>     // Toolkits
>     myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
>     pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>     rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>     // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>    // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>     // Toolkits
>     myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
>     pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>     // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Thu Feb 23 11:50:09 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:50:09 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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Enjoy the skiing,

Have I missed something? What have I done that would prevent you adding
pages to a framework icon?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 23 February 2012 10:42, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:

> Done, and included (I think) your changes as well.
> I wonder about those though..., you can't add pages to a Framework icon
> anymore, if I understand the code correctly....
> Jonthan, an editor with both fixes included is in svn now (in
> runtime/tools)
>
> Will look at your list when I am back from skiing... :-)
>
> Op 22-2-2012 11:28, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
>  check it in, I wasn't sure if I had the latest code. I didn't do very
>> much anyway, just added that xmlnode.prototype.getchildbyid, and then used
>> it to find the interface node, line 3740ish
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [
>> reijnders at tor.nl]
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 10:18
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
>> the Learning Object icon
>>
>> Julian, Jonathan,
>>
>> I am not sure whther I committed the latest changes to the editor to fix
>> the bug of generating pages beyond 9.
>> Julian, is your fix checked in already? I'll check, and let you know (and
>> if needed will commit).
>>
>> In the editor I differentiate between a PageTemplates project and
>> (possibly) a Page wizard project (enable or disable the Pages menu) based
>> on the extension.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Op 22-2-2012 8:18, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
>> page Icon's templateData property?
>>
>> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
>> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>>
>> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
>> // Page Wizard
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
>> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon?
>> If undefined, it must be page wizards?  otherwise irs either XOT or a
>> desktop template project.
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
>> the Learning Object icon
>>
>> Neither am I.
>>
>> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
>> access it.
>>
>> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
>> template.rlt.
>>
>> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
>> this will be available in templateData.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
>> Not sure how you get it mind.
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
>> the Learning Object icon
>>
>> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>>
>> JK
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
>> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
>> the Learning Object icon
>>
>> Hello Julian,
>>
>> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
>> problem :-)
>>
>> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
>> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
>> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
>> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>>
>> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
>> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>>
>> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
>> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>>
>> Then I can replace the original block
>>
>> if (extXML == undefined){
>>     // Page Wizard
>>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>> } else {
>>    // Toolkits
>>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
>> pgOffset]);
>>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>> }
>>
>> with
>>
>> if (xMode == undefined){
>>    // Page Wizard
>>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>>   // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>> } else {
>>    // Toolkits
>>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
>> pgOffset]);
>>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>>    // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>> }
>> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>>
>> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to
>> make explicit the changes I am proposing.
>>
>> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
>> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
>> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
>> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
>> had the xMode variable set.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Given that the line
>> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>>
>> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to
>> set it's title property that we could use
>>
>> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>>
>> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
>> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
>> in the TOC though) mmm.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>  wrote:
>> Try this one please.
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>  [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
>> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
>> Learning Object icon
>>
>> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
>> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
>> individual page templates..
>>
>> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up
>> scripts as children of the Learning Object.
>>
>> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
>> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
>> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
>> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
>> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
>> to the task bar and won't open again.
>>
>> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
>> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Feb 24 09:40:42 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
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if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian 
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Feb 24 10:20:31 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:20:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0790@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian 
Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian 
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
    // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
   // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 25 21:12:46 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:12:46 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0790@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0790@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CABtG3=Vj8fGsL=GkzxeOX6k64_RUPi5RPaF37jzchSHv9yH1qA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Julian,

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
> written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
> the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
> write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a
> desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
> Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb 25 21:42:12 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:42:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Magic!

You wouldn't happen to have anything up your sleeve which will allow me to
change the stage size from script based on user selected values in an xwd
form now would you?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 13:29, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
> currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
> in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
> keep all colours in the style sheet?
>
>
>
> You can set all the styles through code (STYLES.styleName = value), you
> then have to refresh the apge. See the code in engine loadstylesheet
> function
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 16:53
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back
> button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.
>
>
>
> I?d like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks
> time?
>
>
>
> I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though
> there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still
> cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title
> property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the
> possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.
>
>
>
> The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name
> property from the xml the page icons current title had already been
> processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and
> the second page showing the title for the first page.
>
>
>
> I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates
> offering glossary etc.
>
>
>
> A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most
> of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard
> that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I
> uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout
> Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates
> (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml
> data from the layout wizard.
>
>
>
> Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning
> object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout
> settings as possible.
>
>
>
> Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
> currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
> in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
> keep all colours in the style sheet?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Cheers, yes, that seems right. It?s in the engine now, but I haven?t done
> any interface stuff yet:
>
>
>
> Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising ?back? button to
> be ?goBack()? rather than prevPage()?
>
>
>
> i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back,
> rather than the linear ?go to the page with a number one lower than this
> page?s number??
>
>
>
> That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at
> present, but branching content will work as expected? I?m not missing
> anything am I?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 12:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back
> button was pressed.
>
> e.g. stack shown in brackets
>
> In A
>
> exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
>
> in C [A,B]
>
> exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to
> it
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
>
> in D [A,B]
>
> exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
>
> in B [A]
>
>
>
> This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you
> described below.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I?m going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way
> browsers do things?
>
>
>
> So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a
> browser?
>
>
>
> You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don?t know what happens
> here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array,
> rather than the last entry of the current location - but I?m not sure. I
> think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it
> for another day?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 13:28
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is
> visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page
> index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.
>
>
>
> Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some
> sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 12:59
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
> visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
> cover this situation?
>
>
>
> With a back button how far back would we need to go?
>
>
>
> I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
> holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Sun Feb 26 11:13:47 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:13:47 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] FileLocation versus templatePath
Message-ID: <CABtG3=Xy36nJdxLD-POgDXiXYd2T_Z+tWgnF=y9DSifsSvL2og@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed a post recently that refered to templatePath, though
unfortunately I can't find it now.

However the reference to templatePath range alarm bells. I recalled some
discussion a while ago regarding there being some problems when embedding
page wizard based pages in a Flash project.

I am thinking here specifically about the issue of producing common files
(rlm and xwd) that will be used by both desktop Xerte and XOT. The model
files have been shared for a while so perhaps I am worrying unnecessarily.
Is there any rule of thumb that I need to apply as to when FileLocation
should be used and when templatePath should be used or does it not matter?

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 07:39:51 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:39:51 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: FileLocation versus templatePath
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templatePath is the path to the template's folder on a toolkits server, FileLocation is the path to the project's folder (these are different on toolkits, as there is only one template folder, but loadas of project folders. In a template project, they should be the same, so I see your problem now: templatePath will exist in a pageTemplates project as well, but both will point to the same place.

Se templatePath to get things from /common, FileLocation to get things from /media

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 26 February 2012 11:14
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] FileLocation versus templatePath

I noticed a post recently that refered to templatePath, though unfortunately I can't find it now.

However the reference to templatePath range alarm bells. I recalled some discussion a while ago regarding there being some problems when embedding page wizard based pages in a Flash project.

I am thinking here specifically about the issue of producing common files (rlm and xwd) that will be used by both desktop Xerte and XOT. The model files have been shared for a while so perhaps I am worrying unnecessarily. Is there any rule of thumb that I need to apply as to when FileLocation should be used and when templatePath should be used or does it not matter?

Kind regards

Johnathan
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:41:29 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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Change stage size to what? It's already handled in the rlt, to allow fillScreen / fillWindow options.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:42
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Magic!

You wouldn't happen to have anything up your sleeve which will allow me to change the stage size from script based on user selected values in an xwd form now would you?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 13:29, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

You can set all the styles through code (STYLES.styleName = value), you then have to refresh the apge. See the code in engine loadstylesheet function

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.

I'd like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks time?

I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.

The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name property from the xml the page icons current title had already been processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and the second page showing the title for the first page.

I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates offering glossary etc.

A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml data from the layout wizard.

Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout settings as possible.

Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Cheers, yes, that seems right. It's in the engine now, but I haven't done any interface stuff yet:

Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising 'back' button to be 'goBack()' rather than prevPage()?

i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back, rather than the linear 'go to the page with a number one lower than this page's number?'

That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at present, but branching content will work as expected? I'm not missing anything am I?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 07:55:02 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:55:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting set: maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:13
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
  // Page Wizard
  pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
 // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 08:16:18 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:16:18 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0B94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 27 09:40:30 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:40:30 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0B94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0B94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <006301ccf533$da08f8a0$8e1ae9e0$@co.uk>

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View
alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

 

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
can't find it at the moment

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

 

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
Pat?

 

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 10:12:56 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:12:56 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:15:50 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:15:50 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0B94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0B94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
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There definitely was something coded before I left.
Management | User templates | Click a user | Click view | used to be a
give option.....

Might only be on ltdev?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.
>
>
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?
>
>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:22:37 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:22:37 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0CAE@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2FC0B94@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<006301ccf533$da08f8a0$8e1ae9e0$@co.uk>
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It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
> ** **
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
> ** **
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
> ** **
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 10:23:49 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:23:49 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
In-Reply-To: <CAO2PinNv2tGZ4PLbX6=4PsE9eSrxs+uoPST+TbYBDu++KqJMuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Looks like you need to upgrade your install.
Oh man, we're pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch with stuff...

;-)

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 10:39:38 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:39:38 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Can I just copy over that file...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 10:45:41 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:45:41 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Tried that and I get the 'is for admins only' error, so I don't think is_user_admin() is in our set of files?

Update user_library.php and url_library.php? They seem to be the only files it depends on...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:40
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Can I just copy over that file...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:46:02 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:46:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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There is no upgrade path for toolkits sadly.

(Copy over the file, it's all ajax-ed at that point anyways - so if that
file dies it shouldn't hurt anything else)

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Can I just copy over that file??****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
> ** **
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
> ** **
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
>  ****
>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:46:52 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:46:52 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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When does the error appear?

It might have been confused with multi-sessions?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Tried that and I get the ?is for admins only? error, so I don?t think
> is_user_admin() is in our set of files?****
>
> ** **
>
> Update user_library.php and url_library.php? They seem to be the only
> files it depends on??****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:40
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> Can I just copy over that file??****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
> ** **
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
> ** **
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
>  ****
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 10:47:23 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:47:23 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Maybe. Hang on.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

When does the error appear?

It might have been confused with multi-sessions?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Tried that and I get the 'is for admins only' error, so I don't think is_user_admin() is in our set of files?

Update user_library.php and url_library.php? They seem to be the only files it depends on...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:40

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Can I just copy over that file...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 10:50:19 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:50:19 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Nope, tried couple of browsers, and still get the ' 'is for admins only' error when trying to get the list of user's projects.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

There is no upgrade path for toolkits sadly.

(Copy over the file, it's all ajax-ed at that point anyways - so if that file dies it shouldn't hurt anything else)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Can I just copy over that file...?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:52:36 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:52:36 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Session has probably died then - is_user_admin has been there for ages.

Close down all browsers. Start a new browser. Log in as management.php
again.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Nope, tried couple of browsers, and still get the ? ?is for admins only?
> error when trying to get the list of user?s projects.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:46
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> There is no upgrade path for toolkits sadly.****
>
> ** **
>
> (Copy over the file, it's all ajax-ed at that point anyways - so if that
> file dies it shouldn't hurt anything else)****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Can I just copy over that file??****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
>  ****
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
>  ****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
>  ****
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:29:39 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:29:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
it......

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> Oh man, we?re pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
> with stuff?****
>
> ** **
>
> ;-)****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
> ** **
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
> ** **
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 27 11:15:23 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:15:23 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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At present you can set the stage size as a property of the learning object
icon. However I have not been able to find a way of setting the stage size
in a script based on values entered into an xwd form..

What I am thinking of here is that currently Xerte and XOT default to a
standard stage size. At present most, if not all, the models are designed
to that stage size, though it would be possible to design models that
worked out their dimensions as a proportion of the stage size and where
thus scalable (the scenario page works this way).

A while ago we had someone posting about how to change the layout of the
Xerte display, with buttons at the bottom being described as a "Holy Grail
of Xerte". The trouble with doing this is to make it work you have to
increase the width of the status bar. If you retain the height of the title
bar so that you can display page titles then your display area is reduced
in height, this could be resolved by an ability to also set a higher
default stage height.

I have personally found that with some projects I haver been working on
would have benefited from a larger default screen size, e.g. when using
media from a screen capture program to demonstrate an application.

I have at present a working xwd and script that will change most of the
xerte display, that can be used in desktop xerte to enable the developer to
adjust most of the colours, all of the bar heights, the bar opacities,
background and logo image, button position (top or bottom) display / hide
individual buttons and menus.

I have not implemented anything to do with fonts. But the main features it
cannot implement at present are a setting of a new default stage size for
the project and a repositioning of the project and page titles. Some of the
features such as the re-positioning of the buttons is only really usable if
you can make adjustments to the stage size.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 07:41, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Change stage size to what? It?s already handled in the rlt, to allow
> fillScreen / fillWindow options.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:42
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Magic!
>
>
>
> You wouldn't happen to have anything up your sleeve which will allow me to
> change the stage size from script based on user selected values in an xwd
> form now would you?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:29, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
> currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
> in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
> keep all colours in the style sheet?
>
>
>
> You can set all the styles through code (STYLES.styleName = value), you
> then have to refresh the apge. See the code in engine loadstylesheet
> function
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 16:53
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back
> button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.
>
>
>
> I?d like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks
> time?
>
>
>
> I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though
> there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still
> cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title
> property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the
> possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.
>
>
>
> The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name
> property from the xml the page icons current title had already been
> processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and
> the second page showing the title for the first page.
>
>
>
> I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates
> offering glossary etc.
>
>
>
> A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most
> of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard
> that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I
> uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout
> Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates
> (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml
> data from the layout wizard.
>
>
>
> Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning
> object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout
> settings as possible.
>
>
>
> Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
> currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
> in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
> keep all colours in the style sheet?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Cheers, yes, that seems right. It?s in the engine now, but I haven?t done
> any interface stuff yet:
>
>
>
> Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising ?back? button to
> be ?goBack()? rather than prevPage()?
>
>
>
> i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back,
> rather than the linear ?go to the page with a number one lower than this
> page?s number??
>
>
>
> That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at
> present, but branching content will work as expected? I?m not missing
> anything am I?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 12:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back
> button was pressed.
>
> e.g. stack shown in brackets
>
> In A
>
> exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
>
> in C [A,B]
>
> exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to
> it
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
>
> in D [A,B]
>
> exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
>
> in B [A]
>
>
>
> This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you
> described below.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I?m going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way
> browsers do things?
>
>
>
> So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a
> browser?
>
>
>
> You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don?t know what happens
> here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array,
> rather than the last entry of the current location - but I?m not sure. I
> think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it
> for another day?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 13:28
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is
> visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page
> index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.
>
>
>
> Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some
> sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 12:59
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
> visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
> cover this situation?
>
>
>
> With a back button how far back would we need to go?
>
>
>
> I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
> holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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It gets funky because of the smoke and mirrors needed to scale the hosting div. So the values for default, large and larger (or whatever they are) are fixed at 120% and 144% of the default 800x600. You can read the engine code and play around if you want.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:15
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

At present you can set the stage size as a property of the learning object icon. However I have not been able to find a way of setting the stage size in a script based on values entered into an xwd form..

What I am thinking of here is that currently Xerte and XOT default to a standard stage size. At present most, if not all, the models are designed to that stage size, though it would be possible to design models that worked out their dimensions as a proportion of the stage size and where thus scalable (the scenario page works this way).

A while ago we had someone posting about how to change the layout of the Xerte display, with buttons at the bottom being described as a "Holy Grail of Xerte". The trouble with doing this is to make it work you have to increase the width of the status bar. If you retain the height of the title bar so that you can display page titles then your display area is reduced in height, this could be resolved by an ability to also set a higher default stage height.

I have personally found that with some projects I haver been working on would have benefited from a larger default screen size, e.g. when using media from a screen capture program to demonstrate an application.

I have at present a working xwd and script that will change most of the xerte display, that can be used in desktop xerte to enable the developer to adjust most of the colours, all of the bar heights, the bar opacities, background and logo image, button position (top or bottom) display / hide individual buttons and menus.

I have not implemented anything to do with fonts. But the main features it cannot implement at present are a setting of a new default stage size for the project and a repositioning of the project and page titles. Some of the features such as the re-positioning of the buttons is only really usable if you can make adjustments to the stage size.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 07:41, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Change stage size to what? It's already handled in the rlt, to allow fillScreen / fillWindow options.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:42

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Magic!

You wouldn't happen to have anything up your sleeve which will allow me to change the stage size from script based on user selected values in an xwd form now would you?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 13:29, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

You can set all the styles through code (STYLES.styleName = value), you then have to refresh the apge. See the code in engine loadstylesheet function

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.

I'd like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks time?

I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.

The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name property from the xml the page icons current title had already been processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and the second page showing the title for the first page.

I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates offering glossary etc.

A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml data from the layout wizard.

Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout settings as possible.

Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather keep all colours in the style sheet?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Cheers, yes, that seems right. It's in the engine now, but I haven't done any interface stuff yet:

Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising 'back' button to be 'goBack()' rather than prevPage()?

i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back, rather than the linear 'go to the page with a number one lower than this page's number?'

That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at present, but branching content will work as expected? I'm not missing anything am I?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 February 2012 12:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back button was pressed.
e.g. stack shown in brackets
In A
exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
in B [A]
exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
in C [A,B]
exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]
exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
in D [A,B]
exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
in B [A]

This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you described below.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'm going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way browsers do things?

So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a browser?

You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don't know what happens here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array, rather than the last entry of the current location - but I'm not sure. I think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it for another day...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 13:28

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

I'm thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.

Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some sort of complication with this...? Does that make sense?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 16 February 2012 12:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to cover this situation?

With a back button how far back would we need to go?

I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it: "this is who sent me"?

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

How best to tackle the 'goBack' functionality? It's not as simple as remembering the last page, there's a stack of pages to manage so that you can back up through all the pages. That's going to take me longer than I've got today...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 February 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls, so you can fade them when you disable them. I'll add the contBtn to the lsit.



INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {

                for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {

                                this.controls[i].enabled = bool;

                                if (arguments.length>1) {

                                                this.controls[i]._alpha = alpha;

                                }

                }

};



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 22:26
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Ok have tested this...



option 1

rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.

rootIcon.enableControls(false);

_level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;

_level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;



Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?

I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?



option 2

rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g. rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?

That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but visually disabled.



I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play - I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online? http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/



Cheers

Ron





From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 15 February 2012 16:36
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.



Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but happy to go along with what you think.



I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put it to good use.



I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.



So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the following:

internal link via page title

internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last

external link

sound



The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 15 February 2012 15:57
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I like what you're driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull  inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would be consistent with other xerte design stuff).



Is this a 'Navigators' page type?



What does it have in common with Jonathan's 'scenario' page?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 17:05
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)



With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g. http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and http://www.brokencoworker.com/



I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test - I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip



Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



>Xerte is such a beautiful application



You made me smile there. It's all good stuff, and I'm really grateful for all the work you're putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the future. It's a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex stuff (to a point); it's the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous maniacs...



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 16:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.



XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment for the creation of new page designs.



I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share their page designs.



I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.



Kind regards



Johnathan





On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Yeah, carry on, you're much closer to this than I am at the minute.



We're currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from toolkits: in the long run that's likely to be where my effort goes, and it's something we're going to do anyway - the funding will just help us prioritise the work.



I don't know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 - 5 years) but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn't rely on Flash.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development environment.



I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using the page's rlm file.



This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified, whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.



I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the project's pages and every page's icons.



In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any changes to these files affecting all projects.



It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.



Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this proposed solution to the issue?



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

OK, maybe we're just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte. You paste in models through the editor? (I can't remember) and then essentially don't care about that model ever again: it's just there waiting for some xml payload to drive it?



Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference to an external model file a la toolkits?



I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.



There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so easy of you've pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece - which is what I think you do..?



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 14:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working here but my reasons for not going down this route were



1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps be added.

2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.

3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates and individual page template projects.

4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing purposes this issue is avoided.



Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to the project?



I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus far it has worked reliably.



Kind regards



Johnathan



On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form



Why can't you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these bits of code?



if (modName == 'xerteModel'){

  newXML = new XML('<PG model="' + extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');

  //is there an initObject...?

  if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){

    newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;

  }

} else {

 newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName + '.rlm\'"/>');

}

newChild = newXML.firstChild;

newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.name<http://attributes.name>;

newChild.attributes.linkID = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;



if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID && extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){

  linkIndex = i;

}

ifc.appendChild(newChild);



newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the page icons you create here.



You won't see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for navigation.







From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 14 February 2012 12:36

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd form.



In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing when referring to it as a page destination.



As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.



I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text etc. These will use the new pageID property.



This is achieved by using the following code.



In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any page that offers routing



if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];

    // routed pages only
    pageID_array = new Array();
    for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
      pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
    }

} else { // Toolkits
   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

   // routed pages only
   pageID_array = new Array();
   for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
     pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
   }
}



This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.



Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as

// navigate to destination page
for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
   if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
     pageFound = "true";
     destinationIndex = i;
     rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
   break;
  } else {
    pageFound = "false";
  }
}



This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages which all use a standard method of page identification.



Kind regards



Johnathan









On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the object.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 14 February 2012 08:24
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



:-)

sleep worked!

Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:43
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



So much for in vino veritas.

________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name

Thanks for the suggestion Dave

but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.

Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.

Cheers

Ron



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 14 February 2012 00:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name



http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html

??



I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.

:-)



________________________________

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name

Hi

I think I'm missing something silly here :-(

In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a page title to navigate to that page.



I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't managed to call the same function in a script icon?



Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page title in a page templates project?



Cheers

Ron





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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:22:44 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written it......

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Looks like you need to upgrade your install.
Oh man, we're pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch with stuff...

;-)

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:24:17 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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if you set a password in sitedetails, yep

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:30
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
> it......****
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> Oh man, we?re pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
> with stuff?****
>
>  ****
>
> ;-)****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23****
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
>  ****
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
>  ****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 11:28:43 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:28:43 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:24
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

if you set a password in sitedetails, yep
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written it......

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Looks like you need to upgrade your install.
Oh man, we're pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch with stuff...

;-)

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 11:39:08 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:39:08 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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that form calls

change_owner

which calls

website_code/php/management/change_owner.php

which has no return statement and should go to

change_owner_stateChanged

which alerts a message - regardless of whether admin fails

edit management.php and put a print_r($_SESSION) in the code

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it
> would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching
> the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it?****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 11:24
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> if you set a password in sitedetails, yep****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:30
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
> it......****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> Oh man, we?re pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
> with stuff?****
>
>  ****
>
> ;-)****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23****
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
>  ****
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
>  ****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
>  ****
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 11:43:20 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:43:20 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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I'm not sure what you just said.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:39
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

that form calls

change_owner

which calls

website_code/php/management/change_owner.php

which has no return statement and should go to

change_owner_stateChanged

which alerts a message - regardless of whether admin fails

edit management.php and put a print_r($_SESSION) in the code
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:24

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

if you set a password in sitedetails, yep
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written it......

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Looks like you need to upgrade your install.
Oh man, we're pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch with stuff...

;-)

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window. There was a combo box.

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN show it.

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it... it does appear I can share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for 40 odd projects.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41

To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but can't find it at the moment

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this Pat?


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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 11:44:56 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:44:56 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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you should get an alert whenever you use that form - the code should
probably be changed.

Nowhere in the flow is a message to say "is admin only"

So put a print_r($_SESSION) in management.php to see if that is working
properly (hence the is_user_admin) problems.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> I?m not sure what you just said.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 11:39
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> that form calls ****
>
> ** **
>
> change_owner ****
>
> ** **
>
> which calls****
>
> ** **
>
> website_code/php/management/change_owner.php****
>
> ** **
>
> which has no return statement and should go to****
>
> ** **
>
> change_owner_stateChanged****
>
> ** **
>
> which alerts a message - regardless of whether admin fails****
>
> ** **
>
> edit management.php and put a print_r($_SESSION) in the code****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it
> would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching
> the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it?****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 11:24****
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> if you set a password in sitedetails, yep****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:30
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
> it......****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> Oh man, we?re pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
> with stuff?****
>
>  ****
>
> ;-)****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23****
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
>  ****
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
>  ****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
>  ****
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 27 11:46:23 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:46:23 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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works for me on my localhost install just updated from trunk but the Give
template functionality doesn't seem 100% reliable. e.g. give a template from
guest user 2 to Pat Blair and sometimes it appears in Pat Blair's workspace
and other times it doesn't.

Also just to clarify this is different than the giving option in normal lo
properties e.g. it does seem to change ownership and retain the LO ID when
it works. That said I still seem to recall seeing the term change ownership
at some point but perhaps I dreamt it! ;-)

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:29
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it
would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching
the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:24
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

if you set a password in sitedetails, yep

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
it......

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

Oh man, we're pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
with stuff.

 

;-)

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window.
There was a combo box.

 

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
show it.

 

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it. it does appear I can
share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual
one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has
asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the
URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs
intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do.
If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and
I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for
40 odd projects.

 



 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41


To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View
alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

 

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
can't find it at the moment

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

 

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
Pat?

 

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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 27 11:50:01 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:50:01 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
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  "You can read the engine code and play around if you want."

Anything like that will probably have to wait until I can get my part of
the 2.18 release finished.

There wouldn't be a method I can call from a script that would select
either of the "large" or "larger" settings as the setting for a project
would there? I could then give the author a choice of default, large, or
larger.

If there is not anything obvious that you can think of that I can use, then
I'll put the stage size investigation on a back burner until I can get to
the other side of the xerte 2.18 release.

I will still include the display wizard in the default rlo for "page
projects".

Kind regards

Johnathan



On 27 February 2012 11:17, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> It gets funky because of the smoke and mirrors needed to scale the hosting
> div. So the values for default, large and larger (or whatever they are) are
> fixed at 120% and 144% of the default 800x600. You can read the engine code
> and play around if you want.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 11:15
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> At present you can set the stage size as a property of the learning object
> icon. However I have not been able to find a way of setting the stage size
> in a script based on values entered into an xwd form..
>
>
>
> What I am thinking of here is that currently Xerte and XOT default to a
> standard stage size. At present most, if not all, the models are designed
> to that stage size, though it would be possible to design models that
> worked out their dimensions as a proportion of the stage size and where
> thus scalable (the scenario page works this way).
>
>
>
> A while ago we had someone posting about how to change the layout of the
> Xerte display, with buttons at the bottom being described as a "Holy Grail
> of Xerte". The trouble with doing this is to make it work you have to
> increase the width of the status bar. If you retain the height of the title
> bar so that you can display page titles then your display area is reduced
> in height, this could be resolved by an ability to also set a higher
> default stage height.
>
>
>
> I have personally found that with some projects I haver been working on
> would have benefited from a larger default screen size, e.g. when using
> media from a screen capture program to demonstrate an application.
>
>
>
> I have at present a working xwd and script that will change most of the
> xerte display, that can be used in desktop xerte to enable the developer to
> adjust most of the colours, all of the bar heights, the bar opacities,
> background and logo image, button position (top or bottom) display / hide
> individual buttons and menus.
>
>
>
> I have not implemented anything to do with fonts. But the main features it
> cannot implement at present are a setting of a new default stage size for
> the project and a repositioning of the project and page titles. Some of the
> features such as the re-positioning of the buttons is only really usable if
> you can make adjustments to the stage size.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 07:41, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Change stage size to what? It?s already handled in the rlt, to allow
> fillScreen / fillWindow options.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:42
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Magic!
>
>
>
> You wouldn't happen to have anything up your sleeve which will allow me to
> change the stage size from script based on user selected values in an xwd
> form now would you?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:29, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
> currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
> in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
> keep all colours in the style sheet?
>
>
>
> You can set all the styles through code (STYLES.styleName = value), you
> then have to refresh the apge. See the code in engine loadstylesheet
> function
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 20 February 2012 16:53
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Re the back button, I would have thought that swapping the current back
> button to use goBack() instead of prevPage() would work.
>
>
>
> I?d like to nail down a target date for some new builds: maybe 6 weeks
> time?
>
>
>
> I have just about finished work on preparing the xwds and rlms though
> there are still a few loose ends. The big one is that at present we still
> cannot take the name property from the xml and assign it to the title
> property of the page icon. You mentioned in a different thread the
> possibility of having an event to ensure all the xml had loaded I think.
>
>
>
> The problem as I recall it was that by the time you could access the name
> property from the xml the page icons current title had already been
> processed. so that you ended up with the first page showing undefined and
> the second page showing the title for the first page.
>
>
>
> I have also noticed the additional form that is available in pageTemplates
> offering glossary etc.
>
>
>
> A while ago I did some work developing a form that allow you to set most
> of the properties for a project. At the time I used it as a separate wizard
> that generated an xml file that I then had code in template.rlt process. I
> uploaded examples to the svn in the  templates folder see Xerte Layout
> Wizard.xtp which is the wizard that generates the xml and Page Templates
> (layout support).xtp that is a page templates project that consumes the xml
> data from the layout wizard.
>
>
>
> Now that I have seen how you have implemented the form for the learning
> object I intend to have a go at enhancing it to cover as many layout
> settings as possible.
>
>
>
> Do you have a preference regarding the use of style sheets? There are
> currently a few colour properties that can only be set by a style sheet. So
> in practice everything else could be set from the form, or would you rather
> keep all colours in the style sheet?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 20 February 2012 11:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Cheers, yes, that seems right. It?s in the engine now, but I haven?t done
> any interface stuff yet:
>
>
>
> Do we want to just swap the functionality of the exising ?back? button to
> be ?goBack()? rather than prevPage()?
>
>
>
> i.e. if you hit the existing back button, you get this history back,
> rather than the linear ?go to the page with a number one lower than this
> page?s number??
>
>
>
> That might actually make a sense. Linear users will still go back as at
> present, but branching content will work as expected? I?m not missing
> anything am I?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 17 February 2012 12:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I think this may be why I didn't put the page on the stack if the back
> button was pressed.
>
> e.g. stack shown in brackets
>
> In A
>
> exit A go to B - Push A onto stack  [A]
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go C - Push B onto stack [A,B]
>
> in C [A,B]
>
> exit C using back button -  [A,B] -  Pop last entry out of stack and go to
> it
>
> in B [A]
>
> exit B go to D - Pop B onto stack [A, B]
>
> in D [A,B]
>
> exit D using back button - [A,B] - pop last entry out of stack and go to it
>
> in B [A]
>
>
>
> This appears to be consistent with what opera does in the scenario you
> described below.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2012 09:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I?m going back a long time now, but is that consistent with the way
> browsers do things?
>
>
>
> So if you go a -> b -> c <- b -> d <-b where do you goBack() to next in a
> browser?
>
>
>
> You go to a. Our method would take you to c. I don?t know what happens
> here but it seems the browser looks for the first entry in the array,
> rather than the last entry of the current location - but I?m not sure. I
> think this is what I figured out when I looked at this before - and left it
> for another day?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 13:28
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I?m thinking have an array, push each page index into as each page is
> visited. To go back, pop the last entry off the array (the current page
> index), and then navigate to the last entry in the array.
>
>
>
> Now, that seems easy enough, but I remember a long time ago finding some
> sort of complication with this?? Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 12:59
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> With a project using routed pages it may be that a single page could get
> visited more than once from different pages. Would this approach be able to
> cover this situation?
>
>
>
> With a back button how far back would we need to go?
>
>
>
> I don't know if arrays are limited in their length, but a capability of
> holding the last 255 pages ought to be enough?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2012 12:07, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe not keep a stack, but write into the xml of each page as you hit it:
> "this is who sent me"?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:17:03 +0000
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> How best to tackle the ?goBack? functionality? It?s not as simple as
> remembering the last page, there?s a stack of pages to manage so that you
> can back up through all the pages. That?s going to take me longer than I?ve
> got today?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 16 February 2012 10:14
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Enable controls takes an optional second parameter to alpha the controls,
> so you can fade them when you disable them. I?ll add the contBtn to the
> lsit.
>
>
>
> INTERFACE.prototype.enableControls = function(bool, alpha) {
>
>                 for (var i = 0; i<this.controls.length; i++) {
>
>                                 this.controls[i].enabled = bool;
>
>                                 if (arguments.length>1) {
>
>                                                 this.controls[i]._alpha =
> alpha;
>
>                                 }
>
>                 }
>
> };
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 22:26
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Ok have tested this...
>
>
>
> option 1
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false); works ok but doesn't disable the continue
> button and I'm not sure it's best solution without some visual indication
> that the controls are disabled. However using that in combination with
> setting the alpha on the relevant buttons works well e.g.
>
> rootIcon.enableControls(false);
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.nextBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.backBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.tocBtn._alpha = 30;
>
> _level0.engine.IFC.contButton.enabled= 0;
>
>
>
> Shouldn't the continue button be part of controls?
>
> I couldn't find a way to set the alpha of controls in one go?
>
>
>
> option 2
>
> rootIcon.hideControls() ; works well and is obviously more efficient than
> all those separate lines of script I had but what's the opposite e.g.
> rootIcon.showControls(); which doesn't seem to exist?
>
> That said I think option 1 is better e.g. controls still showing but
> visually disabled.
>
>
>
> I put a slightly update example online but noticed the sounds don't play -
> I guess I need to preload or use an event for that to work online?
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xerte/branching_image_example/
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 16:36
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> Glad you see the point - wasn't sure that would be clear without a proper
> example but yes I'm excited by lot's of possibilities with this.
>
>
>
> Yes I figured it was better placed under Navigators than Interactivity but
> happy to go along with what you think.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what this has in common with Jonathans scenario page but from
> what I saw on the first of those two dev days this possibly meets a
> different need/user. My focus here really is the creation of a visual page
> where the visuals are created externally but the links are easily added via
> the interface. I'm pretty sure the staff I work with will like it and put
> it to good use.
>
>
>
> I'll have a look at the alternative controls options. I agree what I did
> there seems wrong but I searched the mailing list archive and found that as
> a solution. Will have a look at the other options and test and report back.
>
>
>
> So as you'll have seen the hotspot options at the moment include the
> following:
>
> internal link via page title
>
> internal link via dropdown e.g. next, prev, first, last
>
> external link
>
> sound
>
>
>
> The other thing I wondered about was having a pop up option where the text
> added to that nested page is displayed in a popup when clicked and the
> popup can be dragged around or closed. Is there anything existing for that?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 15 February 2012 15:57
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I like what you?re driving at here, seems to work well. Not sure about
> hiding / showing the interface buttons (I prefer to grey out or dull
> inactive buttons rather than make them appear / disappear, and that would
> be consistent with other xerte design stuff).
>
>
>
> Is this a ?Navigators? page type?
>
>
>
> What does it have in common with Jonathan?s ?scenario? page?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 17:05
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> It can be an ugly application too - especially late at night! ;-)
>
>
>
> With Jonathan's talk of branching on a regular basis and inspired by the
> recent rapid e-learning blog post about comic strip type interactions e.g.
> http://www.worldwarfighter.com/hajikamal/activity/ and
> http://www.brokencoworker.com/
>
>
>
> I've been working on an additional page template page that I've had in
> mind for years ;-) that for now I've called branching image. It's basically
> a revision of the image hotspots page which links to internal or external
> destinations rather than displaying hot spot panels. Here a quick test -
> I'm hoping you'll be happy to include this in the official page template?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1388941/branching_image_example.zip
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:35
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> >Xerte is such a beautiful application
>
>
>
> You made me smile there. It?s all good stuff, and I?m really grateful for
> all the work you?re putting in. Yes, these are all good questions for the
> future. It?s a bit like the old Authorware community: all these people who
> really got what AW was all about, how fast and easy it was to build complex
> stuff (to a point); it?s the same with the people who get Xerte (I like to
> think), unfortunately, they remain relatively few in number (but not a bad
> number for a marketing budget of zero). If you think back though, there
> was  time when Macs were only being used by a very small number of zealous
> maniacs?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 16:17
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I can understand why the focus may be on how the data that currently
> exists in XOT projects can be output as HTML5.
>
>
>
> XOT offers a tremendous facility in which to develop learning resources
> that can be shared with other institutions, but not a friendly environment
> for the creation of new page designs.
>
>
>
> I believe that people will find in Xerte 2.18 (with the integration of
> individual page templates and availability in several languages) a really
> friendly and useful platform in which new page designs for XOT can be
> created. This opens up the potential for the Xerte / XOT project to benefit
> from the expertise of people all over the world who may develop and share
> their page designs.
>
>
>
> I hope that in all the thoughts about the future of XOT some weight will
> be given to how the wider XOT community might be facilitated to create new
> page designs as XOT moves over to HTML5. Xerte is such a beautiful
> application perhaps it might inform the solution to this question.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:44, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, carry on, you?re much closer to this than I am at the minute.
>
>
>
> We?re currently in a wait and see about some funding for HTML5 output from
> toolkits: in the long run that?s likely to be where my effort goes, and
> it?s something we?re going to do anyway ? the funding will just help us
> prioritise the work.
>
>
>
> I don?t know what the answer is, but we do need to think about how those
> two tools (Toolkits, primarily outputting HTML5) and Xerte (making .xml for
> an AS2 runtime) complement each other. The wizard is possibly the only
> thing in common in the end: our first attempts will be to take the existing
> data from toolkits and run it into HTML(5) somehow. I can see the two
> things existing in parallel for a good while yet (think, maybe 3 ? 5 years)
> but ultimately I can see toolkits de-coupling from Xerte. There is a lot of
> traction in toolkits, and a lot more potential if it didn?t rely on Flash.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have had a chance to work with the version of the
> Xerte interface that includes Tom's modifications for individual page
> templates, but it has really enhanced desktop Xerte as a development
> environment.
>
>
>
> I can pick a page from a menu and see hints and thumbnails, just as you do
> in XOT or a page templates project. When I select a page from the menu it
> creates a folder for the page, copies the page's xwd to the folder and
> automatically generates the xml for the page based on the xwd, saving it in
> the page's folder. In addition it adds a new page to the project tree using
> the page's rlm file.
>
>
>
> This then leaves me in the desktop xerte environment with each page having
> its own xwd and xml contained in its own folder. I can tinker with the
> page's icon structure or just consume the page as originally specified,
> whilst populating the page's data using the xwd form.
>
>
>
> I can edit the page's xwd in FlashDevelop to add extra features and update
> the page's structure to consume them. I have full access to all the
> project's pages and every page's icons.
>
>
>
> In desktop Xerte using individual page templates, once a page has been
> created any change to Xerte's copy of the xwd file or rlm file does not
> affect the page in the project, unlike in XOT where template.xwd and the
> set of  rlm files are accessed when the project runs, thus resulting in any
> changes to these files affecting all projects.
>
>
>
> It is a great environment in which to develop new pages from existing ones.
>
>
>
> Can you see any problem with the approach I am intending to take with
> respect to the routed paging? Are you happy for me to continue with this
> proposed solution to the issue?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 14:09, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> OK, maybe we?re just in slightly different worlds, me toolkits, you xerte.
> You paste in models through the editor? (I can?t remember) and then
> essentially don?t care about that model ever again: it?s just there waiting
> for some xml payload to drive it?
>
>
>
> Do you actually add the child icons (i.e. essentially the same thing as
> pasting in the model manually at design time? Or do you create a reference
> to an external model file a la toolkits?
>
>
>
> I can see it is tricky to set the icon property at design time.
>
>
>
> There must be a way to set the name property at runtime, but maybe not so
> easy of you?ve pasted the whole set of icons into the main piece ? which is
> what I think you do..?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 14:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> There may be something wrong in my understanding of how things are working
> here but my reasons for not going down this route were
>
>
>
> 1) The script you quote is from templates.rlt and does not exist in an
> individual page template project - though something similar could perhaps
> be added.
>
> 2) In an individual page template project there is no project wide
> external xml file, rather each separate page has its own external xml file.
>
> 3) I am seeking to implement a solution that works for both pageTemplates
> and individual page template projects.
>
> 4) Even if this can be made to work for individual page template files I
> am still wary of using the name property (title field in the xwd form) as
> the unique identifier as I think it is already being used to meet a
> different purpose that could compromise it as a unique id. A project that
> used routing could easily be compromised by a late decision to change the
> title of a page. Which would affect every page that had been set up to
> route to it. With a separate pageID used only as the identifier for routing
> purposes this issue is avoided.
>
>
>
> Since routed pages are not yet a feature of Xerte it makes sense to get a
> solution that is robust. Have I missed something in my approach? Is there
> anything in the approach that I am proposing that would be detrimental to
> the project?
>
>
>
> I have performed some limited tests with this approach using my scenario
> page in both  pageTemplates and individual page template projects and thus
> far it has worked reliably.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 13:32, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier for each
> page that could be set within an xwd form
>
>
>
> Why can?t you set attributes on the icon in the makePages script, in these
> bits of code?
>
>
>
> if (modName == 'xerteModel'){
>
>   newXML = new XML('<PG model="' +
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.modelFile + '"/>');
>
>   //is there an initObject...?
>
>   if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject != undefined){
>
>     newXML.firstChild.attributes.initObject =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.initObject;
>
>   }
>
> } else {
>
>  newXML = new XML('<PG model="templatePath + \'models/' + modName +
> '.rlm\'"/>');
>
> }
>
> newChild = newXML.firstChild;
>
> newChild.attributes.title = extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].
> attributes.name;
>
> newChild.attributes.linkID =
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID;
>
>
>
> if (extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID == _level0.linkID &&
> extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.linkID != undefined){
>
>   linkIndex = i;
>
> }
>
> ifc.appendChild(newChild);
>
>
>
> newChild is the xml that is added to the interface. The engine then loads
> up the modesl identified in each page attached, but does not replace the
> page icons you create here.
>
>
>
> You won?t see the changes at design time(i.e. populate the name property
> in the xerte editor), but they can be set at runtime, and thus be used for
> navigation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 12:36
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> I have considered how to implement the ability to route pages for some
> time now. Part of the problem has been the lack of a suitable identifier
> for each page that could be set within an xwd form. In page wizards I used
> the "name" field of the page icon, but this is not definable from an xwd
> form.
>
>
>
> In pageTemplates projects the xwd defined name value is used as the page
> title and there is no way to set the page Icon name property. The page
> title is a bad candidate as a unique identifier as its main function is to
> be a a page title making it potentially lengthy, potentially liable to
> change, possibly even unique and probably more prone to error in typing
> when referring to it as a page destination.
>
>
>
> As part of the move to individual page templates I am including in every
> xwd file an optional property pageID the purpose of which is to act solely
> as an identifier to enable other pages to locate it in the project.
>
>
>
> I have a number of page wizards that I will be converting to individual
> page templates that offer routing i.e. the ability to specify a target page
> which the user will be taken to on completing an action e.g. making a
> selection from a multiple choice question, clicking on a link in some text
> etc. These will use the new pageID property.
>
>
>
> This is achieved by using the following code.
>
>
>
> In the rlm file's getPageID script the following opening is used for any
> page that offers routing
>
>
>
> if (extXML == undefined){ // Page Wizard
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>     pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
>
>     // routed pages only
>     pageID_array = new Array();
>     for (i = 0; i < rootIcon.pages.length; i++){
>
> pageID_array.push(rootIcon.pages[i].extXML.firstChild.childNodes[0].attributes.pageID);
>     }
>
> } else { // Toolkits
>    myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>    pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>    rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
>    // routed pages only
>    pageID_array = new Array();
>    for (i = 0; i < extXML.firstChild.childNodes.length; i++){
>      pageID_array.push(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[i].attributes.pageID);
>    }
> }
>
>
>
> This makes available to the routed page an array of every page in the
> project with a value for pageID where it has been defined.
>
>
>
> Navigation to a page can then be handled in a manner such as
>
> // navigate to destination page
> for (i = 0; i < pageID_array.length; i++){
>    if (pageID_array[i] == destPageName){
>      pageFound = "true";
>      destinationIndex = i;
>      rootIcon.gotoPage(destinationIndex);
>    break;
>   } else {
>     pageFound = "false";
>   }
> }
>
>
>
> This will open up the potential to create a variety of "routed" pages
> which all use a standard method of page identification.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 09:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Ah, the other gotcha is that those asfunc calls need the full path to the
> object.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 08:24
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> sleep worked!
>
> Got it working with _level0.engine.navToPage(pagetitletogoto);
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:43
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
> So much for in vino veritas.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:31:28 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Dave
>
> but I've pretty much tried that but it's not working e.g. if I
> debug(myPageIndex); it's coming up undefined.
>
> Time to shut down and have another look in the morning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 14 February 2012 00:22
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: navigating to page name
>
>
>
>
> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte/2010-April/004972.html
>
> ??
>
>
>
> I've had a couple pints, so I may be missing the point.
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:10:31 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] navigating to page name
>
> Hi
>
> I think I'm missing something silly here :-(
>
> In a script icon in a page templates project I want to dynamically pass a
> page title to navigate to that page.
>
>
>
> I know <a href="asfunction:_level0.engine.navToPage,yourpagetitle">Click
> here or some other wording</a> works in xot as a hyperlink but haven't
> managed to call the same function in a script icon?
>
>
>
> Or is there another/easier way of doing this e.g. navigating to a page
> title in a page templates project?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 12:01:12 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:01:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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give doesn't give away, it gives a copy

the management give, "transfers" it - so you shouldn't see it with the
original owner anymore.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>wrote:

> works for me on my localhost install just updated from trunk but the Give
> template functionality doesn't seem 100% reliable. e.g. give a template
> from guest user 2 to Pat Blair and sometimes it appears in Pat Blair's
> workspace and other times it doesn't.****
>
> Also just to clarify this is different than the giving option in normal lo
> properties e.g. it does seem to change ownership and retain the LO ID when
> it works. That said I still seem to recall seeing the term change ownership
> at some point but perhaps I dreamt it! ;-)****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 11:29
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it
> would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching
> the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it?****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 11:24
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
> ** **
>
> if you set a password in sitedetails, yep****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:30
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
> it......****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
> Oh man, we?re pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
> with stuff?****
>
>  ****
>
> ;-)****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 10:23****
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties
> window. There was a combo box.****
>
>  ****
>
> Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.****
>
>  ****
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.****
>
>  ****
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I
> can share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case
> (usual one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff
> member has asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in
> use, the URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave
> the URLs intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be
> able to do. If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is
> just a  FOL, and I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a
> pain ? especially for 40 odd projects.****
>
>  ****
>
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 09:41****
>
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'****
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking
> View alongside a template you should see a give this template option?****
>
>  ****
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 08:16
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits****
>
>  ****
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.****
>
>  ****
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?****
>
>  ****
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 27 12:14:12 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:14:12 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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I think the label on that button in management ought to be transfer or
change ownership rather than give template. It does seem to remove it from
the original owners workspace but doesn't always seem to reach the
destination workspace.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 12:01
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

give doesn't give away, it gives a copy

 

the management give, "transfers" it - so you shouldn't see it with the
original owner anymore.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
wrote:

works for me on my localhost install just updated from trunk but the Give
template functionality doesn't seem 100% reliable. e.g. give a template from
guest user 2 to Pat Blair and sometimes it appears in Pat Blair's workspace
and other times it doesn't.

Also just to clarify this is different than the giving option in normal lo
properties e.g. it does seem to change ownership and retain the LO ID when
it works. That said I still seem to recall seeing the term change ownership
at some point but perhaps I dreamt it! ;-)

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:29


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it
would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching
the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 11:24
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

if you set a password in sitedetails, yep

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
it......

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

Oh man, we're pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
with stuff.

 

;-)

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window.
There was a combo box.

 

Lines 37-57 of website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
show it.

 

Looks like you need to upgrade your install.

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
view on one, then properties, but then I can't give it. it does appear I can
share it though. But here's another potential problem: in this case (usual
one) staff member has left, didn't give their projects, new staff member has
asked for about 40 projects to be 'given' to her. If they are in use, the
URLs shouldn't change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs
intact, but then she can't do all the things she will need to be able to do.
If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a  FOL, and
I'm not sure how else it could be, but it's a bit of a pain - especially for
40 odd projects.

 

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41


To: 'For Xerte technical developers'

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

Are you using the managment page? Under Users  templates then clicking View
alongside a template you should see a give this template option?

 

I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
can't find it at the moment

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits

 

I thought I'd be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
bringing up the project's properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
get 'sorry, you don't have right to the template'.

 

Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
Pat?

 

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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 12:21:40 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:21:40 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
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well it's in the SVN

there is a bug in change_owner.php as well that needs the table prefix
adding in too.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> I think the label on that button in management ought to be transfer or
> change ownership rather than give template. It does seem to remove it from
> the original owners workspace but doesn't always seem to reach the
> destination workspace.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 27 February 2012 12:01
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> give doesn't give away, it gives a copy
>
>
>
> the management give, "transfers" it - so you shouldn't see it with the
> original owner anymore.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> works for me on my localhost install just updated from trunk but the Give
> template functionality doesn't seem 100% reliable. e.g. give a template from
> guest user 2 to Pat Blair and sometimes it appears in Pat Blair's workspace
> and other times it doesn't.
>
> Also just to clarify this is different than the giving option in normal lo
> properties e.g. it does seem to change ownership and retain the LO ID when
> it works. That said I still seem to recall seeing the term change ownership
> at some point but perhaps I dreamt it! ;-)
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 27 February 2012 11:29
>
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> Definitely not working when I change that file, not sessions thing, so it
> would appear that is_user_admin() is returning false. Just about reaching
> the point where it would be quicker to just manually do it?
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 27 February 2012 11:24
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> if you set a password in sitedetails, yep
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Can I log into mamangement.php on localhost / xampp?
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 27 February 2012 10:30
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> I'm not sure why it isn't there, given that's where I would have written
> it......
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.
>
> Oh man, we?re pretty slack here at Notts when it comes to keeping in synch
> with stuff?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 27 February 2012 10:23
>
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> It used to actually be on the management page, not on the properties window.
> There was a combo box.
>
>
>
> Lines 37-57 of?website_code/php/management/user_templates.php in the SVN
> show it.
>
>
>
> Looks like you need to upgrade your install.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I go to user templates, select me, the templates list opens, I click
> view on one, then properties, but then I can?t give it? it does appear I can
> share it though. But here?s another potential problem: in this case (usual
> one) staff member has left, didn?t give their projects, new staff member has
> asked for about 40 projects to be ?given? to her. If they are in use, the
> URLs shouldn?t change, so I could share them with her, and leave the URLs
> intact, but then she can?t do all the things she will need to be able to do.
> If I give her the projects, the URLs change. I know this is just a? FOL, and
> I?m not sure how else it could be, but it?s a bit of a pain ? especially for
> 40 odd projects.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
> Sent: 27 February 2012 09:41
>
>
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> Are you using the managment page? Under Users ?templates then clicking View
> alongside a template you should see a give this template option?
>
>
>
> I seem to recall there was also a change ownership option somewhere but
> can't find it at the moment
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 27 February 2012 08:16
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Changing Ownership of a Project in Toolkits
>
>
>
> I thought I?d be able to change owner of a project in the admin pages by
> bringing up the project?s properties and gifting a copy to someone else: I
> get ?sorry, you don?t have right to the template?.
>
>
>
> Any bright idea on how I can easily give the admin user rights to do this
> Pat?
>
>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 27 12:22:40 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:22:40 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference
to

this.contentXML._url

but if I try in xerte to

debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);

I still get contentXML = undefined.

If I try

debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);

I get

contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039

I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
pageTemplate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> If you look in MainPreloader, you?ll see how the variable is getting set:
> maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:13
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> _level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined
>
>
>
> _level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return
>
>
>
> file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
>
>
>
> (my install folder is C:\xerte2)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
>
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
> written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
> the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
> write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a
> desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
> Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 12:36:04 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:36:04 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load in there somewhere.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 12:23
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference to

this.contentXML._url

but if I try in xerte to

debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);

I still get contentXML = undefined.

If I try

debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);

I get

contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039

I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT / pageTemplate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting set: maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:13

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
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Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
  // Page Wizard
  pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
 // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Try this one please.

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Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 27 13:29:50 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:29:50 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.

I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);

but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.

I have inspected in Xerte

engine
engine.IFC
_level0.engine

there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0
length.

I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on
the rest of the 2.18 stuff.

I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then
try again.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load
> in there somewhere.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 12:23
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference
> to
>
>
>
> this.contentXML._url
>
>
>
> but if I try in xerte to
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I still get contentXML = undefined.
>
>
>
> If I try
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I get
>
>
>
> contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039
>
>
>
> I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
> changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
> rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
> test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
> pageTemplate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> If you look in MainPreloader, you?ll see how the variable is getting set:
> maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> _level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined
>
>
>
> _level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return
>
>
>
> file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
>
>
>
> (my install folder is C:\xerte2)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
>
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
> written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
> the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
> write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a
> desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
> Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 13:30:56 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:30:56 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
 the Learning Object icon
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I think it's passed into the piece from the web page as the variable 'file'. It will be on _level0.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.

I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);

but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.

I have inspected in Xerte

engine
engine.IFC
_level0.engine

there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0 length.

I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on the rest of the 2.18 stuff.

I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then try again.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load in there somewhere.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 12:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference to

this.contentXML._url

but if I try in xerte to

debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);

I still get contentXML = undefined.

If I try

debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);

I get

contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039

I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT / pageTemplate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting set: maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:13

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
  // Page Wizard
  pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
 // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 27 13:58:19 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:58:19 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
	the Learning Object icon
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I 'm probably missing where you're at with this or what you're trying to
achieve but In XOT _level0.contentXML._url ends with the filename e.g.
modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt

 

What I'm a little concerned about with all these developments and changes is
that I think some thorough testing will be needed to ensure existing XOT
lo's and installations aren't broken by the new release. I know we're all
conscious of that but in my experience it could prove quite tricky to test
and ensure everything still works.

 

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:31
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

I think it's passed into the piece from the web page as the variable 'file'.
It will be on _level0.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.

 

I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);

 

but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.

 

I have inspected in Xerte 

 

engine

engine.IFC

_level0.engine

 

there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0
length.

 

I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on
the rest of the 2.18 stuff.

 

I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then try
again.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load in
there somewhere.

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 12:23


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference to


 

this.contentXML._url

 

but if I try in xerte to 

 

debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);

 

I still get contentXML = undefined.

 

If I try 

 

debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);

 

I get 

 

contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039
<file:///C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039> 

 

I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
pageTemplate.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan 

 

On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting set:
maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?

 

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:13


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

Hello Julian,

 

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

 

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return 

 

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
<file:///C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910>   

 

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian

Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
write something for you.
________________________________________
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[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
[johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page
Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop
template project.

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Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access
it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this
will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

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ingham.ac.uk>
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Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From:
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ingham.ac.uk>
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sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate
projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate
projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
  // Page Wizard
  pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
 // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had
the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in
the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Try this one please.

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Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page.
The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml
files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page
model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when
the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task
bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Feb 27 13:59:24 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:59:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
 to	the Learning Object icon
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Agreed.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:58
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I 'm probably missing where you're at with this or what you're trying to achieve but In XOT _level0.contentXML._url ends with the filename e.g. modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt

What I'm a little concerned about with all these developments and changes is that I think some thorough testing will be needed to ensure existing XOT lo's and installations aren't broken by the new release. I know we're all conscious of that but in my experience it could prove quite tricky to test and ensure everything still works.

HTH
Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:31
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I think it's passed into the piece from the web page as the variable 'file'. It will be on _level0.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:30
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.

I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);

but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.

I have inspected in Xerte

engine
engine.IFC
_level0.engine

there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0 length.

I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on the rest of the 2.18 stuff.

I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then try again.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load in there somewhere.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 12:23

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference to

this.contentXML._url

but if I try in xerte to

debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);

I still get contentXML = undefined.

If I try

debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);

I get

contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039<file:///C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039>

I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT / pageTemplate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting set: maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:13

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910<file:///C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910>

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll write something for you.
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop template project.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
  // Page Wizard
  pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
 // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() - pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Try this one please.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Mon Feb 27 15:44:37 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:44:37 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
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OK, I think I've found what can be used.

I don't have a working XOT installation.

Would someone mind just adding the following into a page in a XOT
installation

debug("fileType = " + _level0jumpData.fileType);

I am expecting it to return

fileType = .rlt

Which is what I get from a pageTemplates project.

If it does then I can use

if (_level0jumpData.fileType.toLowerCase() == ".rlo"){
    // Page Wizard

as the test for a desktop project V a XOT / pageTemplates project

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 27 February 2012 13:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> I think it?s passed into the piece from the web page as the variable
> ?file?. It will be on _level0.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 13:30
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.
>
>
>
> I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);
>
>
>
> but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.
>
>
>
> I have inspected in Xerte
>
>
>
> engine
>
> engine.IFC
>
> _level0.engine
>
>
>
> there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0
> length.
>
>
>
> I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on
> the rest of the 2.18 stuff.
>
>
>
> I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then
> try again.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load
> in there somewhere.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 12:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference
> to
>
>
>
> this.contentXML._url
>
>
>
> but if I try in xerte to
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I still get contentXML = undefined.
>
>
>
> If I try
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I get
>
>
>
> contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039
>
>
>
> I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
> changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
> rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
> test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
> pageTemplate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> If you look in MainPreloader, you?ll see how the variable is getting set:
> maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> _level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined
>
>
>
> _level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return
>
>
>
> file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
>
>
>
> (my install folder is C:\xerte2)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
>
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
> written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
> the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
> write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a
> desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
> Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:52:52 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
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In an individual page project i.e. desktop not pageTemplates

 _level0.contentXML._url

returns undefined

_level0contentXML._url

returns

file://C:\Users\JOHNAT~1\AppData\Local\Temp\A059wrd.~lk\1088wrdata.~lk\~swd2.dat

So that does not look like a runner for the page wizard / XOT test.

I am taking all the steps I can to ensure that nothing will get broken.

The changes that I am making to the models with respect to exposing the
display text are all designed to ensure that the model files will operate
on existing project data, but I agree that as soon as I can get the models
finished we need to get them tested in a XOT environment.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 13:59, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Agreed.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 13:58
>
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I 'm probably missing where you're at with this or what you're trying to
> achieve but In XOT _level0.contentXML._url ends with the filename e.g.
> modules/xerte/parent_templates/Nottingham/Nottingham.rlt
>
>
>
> What I'm a little concerned about with all these developments and changes
> is that I think some thorough testing will be needed to ensure existing XOT
> lo's and installations aren't broken by the new release. I know we're all
> conscious of that but in my experience it could prove quite tricky to test
> and ensure everything still works.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 13:31
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I think it?s passed into the piece from the web page as the variable
> ?file?. It will be on _level0.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 13:30
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.
>
>
>
> I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);
>
>
>
> but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.
>
>
>
> I have inspected in Xerte
>
>
>
> engine
>
> engine.IFC
>
> _level0.engine
>
>
>
> there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0
> length.
>
>
>
> I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on
> the rest of the 2.18 stuff.
>
>
>
> I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then
> try again.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load
> in there somewhere.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 12:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference
> to
>
>
>
> this.contentXML._url
>
>
>
> but if I try in xerte to
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I still get contentXML = undefined.
>
>
>
> If I try
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I get
>
>
>
> contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039
>
>
>
> I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
> changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
> rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
> test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
> pageTemplate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> If you look in MainPreloader, you?ll see how the variable is getting set:
> maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> _level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined
>
>
>
> _level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return
>
>
>
> file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
>
>
>
> (my install folder is C:\xerte2)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
>
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
> written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
> the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
> write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a
> desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
> Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:39:57 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
	the Learning Object icon
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You can't run debug() in XOT but both _level0jumpData.fileType and
_level0.jumpData.fileType result in undefined.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 15:45
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

OK, I think I've found what can be used.

 

I don't have a working XOT installation.

 

Would someone mind just adding the following into a page in a XOT
installation 

 

debug("fileType = " + _level0jumpData.fileType);

 

I am expecting it to return 

 

fileType = .rlt 

 

Which is what I get from a pageTemplates project.

 

If it does then I can use

 

if (_level0jumpData.fileType.toLowerCase() == ".rlo"){
    // Page Wizard

 

as the test for a desktop project V a XOT / pageTemplates project

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

 

On 27 February 2012 13:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

I think it's passed into the piece from the web page as the variable 'file'.
It will be on _level0.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 13:30


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.

 

I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);

 

but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.

 

I have inspected in Xerte 

 

engine

engine.IFC

_level0.engine

 

there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0
length.

 

I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on
the rest of the 2.18 stuff.

 

I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then try
again.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load in
there somewhere.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 27 February 2012 12:23


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference to


 

this.contentXML._url

 

but if I try in xerte to 

 

debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);

 

I still get contentXML = undefined.

 

If I try 

 

debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);

 

I get 

 

contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039
<file:///C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039> 

 

I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
pageTemplate.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan 

 

On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting set:
maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 25 February 2012 21:13


To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

 

Hello Julian,

 

_level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined

 

_level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return 

 

file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
<file:///C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910>   

 

(my install folder is C:\xerte2)

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

Test this:

_level0.contentXML._url

It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian

Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
to the Learning Object icon

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
the situation.

Some usful thigns for testing environments:

if the LO has template data...
if a page has templateData...?
if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
to the Learning Object icon

They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
write something for you.
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
[johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a page
Icon's templateData property?

If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML

if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
// Page Wizard

What do you think?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a desktop
template project.

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ingham.ac.uk>
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Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Neither am I.

I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to access
it.

Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
template.rlt.

It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as this
will be available in templateData.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Not sure how you get it mind.

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ingham.ac.uk>
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Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.

JK

On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?

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ingham.ac.uk>
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sts.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
the Learning Object icon

Hello Julian,

Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
problem :-)

Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.

So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / pageTemplate
projects and when it is in a desktop project.

What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / pageTemplate
projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"

Then I can replace the original block

if (extXML == undefined){
   // Page Wizard
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}

with

if (xMode == undefined){
  // Page Wizard
  pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
 // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
  // Toolkits
  myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
pgOffset]);
  pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
  // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
}
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
explicit the changes I am proposing.

Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects had
the xMode variable set.

What do you think?

Given that the line
rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);

works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
it's title property that we could use

pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);

As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles in
the TOC though) mmm.

Kind regards

Johnathan


On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
wrote:
Try this one please.

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Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
Learning Object icon

I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
individual page templates..

However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
as children of the Learning Object.

If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new page.
The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd and xml
files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of the page
model file into the project fails. This means that if you select "Yes" when
the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses to the task
bar and won't open again.

If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
behaves correctly until you try adding another page.

Kind regards

Johnathan


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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:58:52 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
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Thanks Ron for testing that out,

If
_level0jumpData.fileType.toLowerCase()  returns

."rlo" in a desktop project,
".rlt" in a pageTemplates project
and
"undefined" in a XOT project

then it looks to me that we have something that can be used. Since
pageTemplates and XOT need the same settings in the model we can test for a
return of ".rlo" and if anything else comes back we have a pageTemplates /
XOT environment.

Problem solved?  :-)

Johnathan

On 27 February 2012 16:39, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> You can't run debug() in XOT but both _level0jumpData.fileType and
> _level0.jumpData.fileType result in undefined.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 15:45
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> OK, I think I've found what can be used.
>
>
>
> I don't have a working XOT installation.
>
>
>
> Would someone mind just adding the following into a page in a XOT
> installation
>
>
>
> debug("fileType = " + _level0jumpData.fileType);
>
>
>
> I am expecting it to return
>
>
>
> fileType = .rlt
>
>
>
> Which is what I get from a pageTemplates project.
>
>
>
> If it does then I can use
>
>
>
> if (_level0jumpData.fileType.toLowerCase() == ".rlo"){
>     // Page Wizard
>
>
>
> as the test for a desktop project V a XOT / pageTemplates project
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 13:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I think it?s passed into the piece from the web page as the variable
> ?file?. It will be on _level0.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 13:30
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.
>
>
>
> I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);
>
>
>
> but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.
>
>
>
> I have inspected in Xerte
>
>
>
> engine
>
> engine.IFC
>
> _level0.engine
>
>
>
> there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0
> length.
>
>
>
> I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to work on
> the rest of the 2.18 stuff.
>
>
>
> I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and then
> try again.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to load
> in there somewhere.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 12:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its reference
> to
>
>
>
> this.contentXML._url
>
>
>
> but if I try in xerte to
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I still get contentXML = undefined.
>
>
>
> If I try
>
>
>
> debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);
>
>
>
> I get
>
>
>
> contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039
>
>
>
> I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any
> changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the rlo or
> rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a property I can
> test against, then I could use this as my test for desktop V XOT /
> pageTemplate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> If you look in MainPreloader, you?ll see how the variable is getting set:
> maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
>
>
> Hello Julian,
>
>
>
> _level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined
>
>
>
> _level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return
>
>
>
> file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910
>
>
>
> (my install folder is C:\xerte2)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
>
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also be
> written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information to judge
> the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. I'll
> write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test,
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO icon? If
> undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either XOT or a
> desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to
> the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I am
> including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being an
> extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project name from
> the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT /
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() -
> pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to make
> explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment would
> make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. one in
> which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page Project option"),
> but it would need that all XOT projects and future pageTemplate projects
> had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to set
> it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up the
> page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page titles
> in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
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> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to the
> Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that handles
> individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up scripts
> as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the xwd
> and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the insertion of
> the page model file into the project fails. This means that if you select
> "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is displayed then Xerte collapses
> to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
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Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode 
or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

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Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>
> You can't run debug() in XOT but both _level0jumpData.fileType and 
> _level0.jumpData.fileType result in undefined.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp 
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 15:45
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup 
> script to the Learning Object icon
>
> OK, I think I've found what can be used.
>
> I don't have a working XOT installation.
>
> Would someone mind just adding the following into a page in a XOT 
> installation
>
> debug("fileType = " + _level0jumpData.fileType);
>
> I am expecting it to return
>
> fileType = .rlt
>
> Which is what I get from a pageTemplates project.
>
> If it does then I can use
>
> if (_level0jumpData.fileType.toLowerCase() == ".rlo"){
>     // Page Wizard
>
> as the test for a desktop project V a XOT / pageTemplates project
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 27 February 2012 13:30, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> I think it's passed into the piece from the web page as the variable 
> 'file'. It will be on _level0.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Kemp 
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 13:30
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup 
> script to the Learning Object icon
>
> I believe you, but I'm b******d if I can find it.
>
> I can find a number of calls to jumpFile e.g. jumpFile(FILE);
>
> but I can't find where FILE is assigned a value.
>
> I have inspected in Xerte
>
> engine
>
> engine.IFC
>
> _level0.engine
>
> there is a urls property but it is, in a simple project, an array of 0 
> length.
>
> I am sorry, I don't know where else to look and I need the time to 
> work on the rest of the 2.18 stuff.
>
> I will see how much progress I can make over  the next few days and 
> then try again.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 27 February 2012 12:36, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> But in thepreloader the xml is laoded. So it must know what file to 
> load in there somewhere.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Kemp 
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 February 2012 12:23
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup 
> script to the Learning Object icon
>
> OK I can see in MainPreloader the jumpFile(url) method, and its 
> reference to
>
> this.contentXML._url
>
> but if I try in xerte to
>
> debug("contentXML = " + _level0.contentXML._url);
>
> I still get contentXML = undefined.
>
> If I try
>
> debug("contentXML = " + contentXML._url);
>
> I get
>
> contentXML = file://C:\Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=133401039 
> <file:///C:%5CXerte2%5CXMLEngine.swf?id=133401039>
>
> I don't know enough about the workings of Flash and Xerte to make any 
> changes here but if you are able to add some code that will make the 
> rlo or rlt file name  (or even just the extension)  accessible as a 
> property I can test against, then I could use this as my test for 
> desktop V XOT / pageTemplate.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 27 February 2012 07:55, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> If you look in MainPreloader, you'll see how the variable is getting 
> set: maybe put something in there to store the path / fileType better?
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Kemp 
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 25 February 2012 21:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup 
> script to the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> _level0.contentXML._url - this returns undefined
>
> _level0.engine.contentXML._url  or rootIcon.contentXM._url both return
>
> file://C:Xerte2\XMLEngine.swf?id=77679910 
> <file:///C:Xerte2%5CXMLEngine.swf?id=77679910>
>
> (my install folder is C:\xerte2)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 24 February 2012 10:20, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Test this:
>
> _level0.contentXML._url
>
> It should be the url to the rlo / rlt file, with the extension on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
>
> Sent: 24 February 2012 09:41
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup 
> script to the Learning Object icon
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> Yes, I think that will work. In any case, any engine test could also 
> be written in the template.rlt, it will only use the same information 
> to judge the situation.
>
> Some usful thigns for testing environments:
>
> if the LO has template data...
> if a page has templateData...?
> if mdm != undefined you are at design time in xerte on windows
> if templatePath != undefined you are on a toolkits server else you're not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup 
> script to the Learning Object icon
>
> They don't at the moment, but I think you need an engine-side test. 
> I'll write something for you.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com 
> <mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 07:18
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script 
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> Would it ever be the case that a XOT project would assign a value to a 
> page Icon's templateData property?
>
> If this would never happen then I can just reverse the original test, 
> instead of testing for a project extXML I can test for pageIcon.extXML
>
> if (pageIcon.extXML != undefined){
> // Page Wizard
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 16:54, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
> Maybe you can check the value of the templateData attribute on LO 
> icon? If undefined, it must be page wizards...  otherwise irs either 
> XOT or a desktop template project.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 16:53
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script 
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> Neither am I.
>
> I was going to ask you if you had any ideas where I would be able to 
> access it.
>
> Is the project file in a XOT project always called template? as in 
> template.rlt.
>
> It might be easier to check the file name rather than the extension as 
> this will be available in templateData.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 21 February 2012 14:38, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
> Not sure how you get it mind.
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 14:38
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script 
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> Sounds do-able, i'll have a go.
>
> JK
>
> On 21 February 2012 13:16, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
> Could you work on the filename, so if rlt else pageTemplates?
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Johnathan
> Sent: 21 February 2012 12:52
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script 
> to the Learning Object icon
>
> Hello Julian,
>
> Thanks for a quick fix - all tests so far suggest this has solved the 
> problem :-)
>
> Now that I am working on a default .rlo file for the "page projects" I 
> am including a template and xwd file which is resulting in there being 
> an extXML, it also means that now the project can take the project 
> name from the extXML file just as with pageTemplates / XOT.
>
> So I need a new test for identifying when the model is in XOT / 
> pageTemplate projects and when it is in a desktop project.
>
> What I would like to do is work on the principle that in XOT / 
> pageTemplate projects the setup script will define a variable "xMode"
>
> Then I can replace the original block
>
> if (extXML == undefined){
>    // Page Wizard
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
>    pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() 
> - pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
>
> with
>
> if (xMode == undefined){
>   // Page Wizard
>   pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.extXML.firstChild.toObject();
>  // pageIcon.templateData = pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
> } else {
>   // Toolkits
>   myXML = new XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex() 
> - pgOffset]);
>   pageIcon.templateData = myXML.toObject();
>   // rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
> }
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> The commented lines of code would be removed - they are just there to 
> make explicit the changes I am proposing.
>
> Not requiring to define a value for xMode in a desktop environment 
> would make it easier to use the models in a pure desktop project (i.e. 
> one in which the developer did not even use the "Create new Page 
> Project option"), but it would need that all XOT projects and future 
> pageTemplate projects had the xMode variable set.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Given that the line
> rootIcon.setTitleText(templateData.learningObject[0].name);
>
> works, would it also mean that if we had a method for the page icon to 
> set it's title property that we could use
>
> pageIcon.setTitleText(pageIcon.templateData.pageType[0].name);
>
> As a way of overcoming the problem of using the name value to set up 
> the page title display (probably wouldn't sort out the display of page 
> titles in the TOC though) mmm.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 21 February 2012 11:25, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
> Try this one please.
>
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> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Johnathan
> Sent: 20 February 2012 22:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte editor closes if you add a setup script to 
> the Learning Object icon
>
> I've been doing some tests as part of establishing a standard 
> pagetemplate.rlo file for the new version of the xerte editor that 
> handles individual page templates..
>
> However I have hit a problem. I want to include one or more set up 
> scripts as children of the Learning Object.
>
> If you add a setup script then this breaks the process of adding a new 
> page. The folder for the page is created in the "pages" folder and the 
> xwd and xml files are created in the page's folder. However the 
> insertion of the page model file into the project fails. This means 
> that if you select "Yes" when the "Open the wizard" prompt is 
> displayed then Xerte collapses to the task bar and won't open again.
>
> If you then close down Xerte and then re-open the project the project 
> behaves correctly until you try adding another page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Tue Feb 28 11:39:18 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:39:18 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] dumb question about variables and xerte content page
	type....
Message-ID: <005c01ccf60d$9d39f250$d7add6f0$@co.uk>

Hi

this is probably a dumb question that I should know the answer to and I'm
sure I'm doing or missing something stupid - my only excuse - been a bit
under the weather :-(

 

I'm testing adding a couple of model files via xerte content to an XOT
project. In the first model I want to capture text entries and store in a
variable(s) and then access what was entered in the other model imported to
a separate and later page. But I'm struggling to pick up those variables in
the second model/page. 

 

I've tried _root.myvariablename=myrs.text; _level0.myvariablename=myrs.text;
_global.myvariablename=myrs.text;

 

What am I missing? Is it something to do with the way xerte content pages
are loaded?

 

Cheers

Ron

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 11:43:02 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:43:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: dumb question about variables and xerte content
 page	type....
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References: <005c01ccf60d$9d39f250$d7add6f0$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA30F9838@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't use those areas to store the data, not sure there is any reason not to, but it doesn't feel quite right.

I'd create a property on rootIcon, probably an object, and store data in that:

If (rootIcon.dataStore == undefined){ //we haven't already got one
  rootIcon.dataStore = new Object();
}

then later

rootIcon.dataStore.yourDataName = "some value";

It would be easy to add this to the engine and make it part of the framework, then you could have convenient methods for getting / setting the values. But it ought to work through your own script anyway.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] dumb question about variables and xerte content page type....

Hi
this is probably a dumb question that I should know the answer to and I'm sure I'm doing or missing something stupid - my only excuse - been a bit under the weather :-(

I'm testing adding a couple of model files via xerte content to an XOT project. In the first model I want to capture text entries and store in a variable(s) and then access what was entered in the other model imported to a separate and later page. But I'm struggling to pick up those variables in the second model/page.

I've tried _root.myvariablename=myrs.text; _level0.myvariablename=myrs.text; _global.myvariablename=myrs.text;

What am I missing? Is it something to do with the way xerte content pages are loaded?

Cheers
Ron
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 28 11:59:24 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:59:24 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features
offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided
into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced"
flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only
show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes
are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:

>  Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
> 1 2 Change
> Chopinlaan 27
> 5242 HM Rosmalen
> T 073-5226195
> F 073-5226196
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>
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> L linkedIn <http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/inge-donkervoort/7/4b/18a>
>
> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 12:00:59 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:00:59 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
1 2 Change
Chopinlaan 27
5242 HM Rosmalen
T 073-5226195
F 073-5226196
E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>
I www.12change.eu<http://www.12change.eu>

T twitter<http://twitter.com/IngeDonke12C>
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Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:

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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 28 12:26:30 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:26:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy
:-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
(customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you
would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections
that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form,
rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or
not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be
significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something
like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
> 1 2 Change
> Chopinlaan 27
> 5242 HM Rosmalen
> T 073-5226195
> F 073-5226196
> E i.donkervoort at 12change.eu
> I www.12change.eu
>
> T twitter <http://twitter.com/IngeDonke12C>
> L linkedIn <http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/inge-donkervoort/7/4b/18a>
>
>
> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Tue Feb 28 12:26:49 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:26:49 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: dumb question about variables and xerte content
	page	type....
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Ok cheers

I had actually tried something similar but trying again has highlighted the
real problem...

I was setting the value in a script icon attached to the text entry and
although that was debugging ok setting it in a later script icon seems to
have fixed the problem. But will do as suggested anyway and create and use
an object.

Cheers

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:43
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: dumb question about variables and xerte content
page type....

 

Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't use those areas to store the data, not
sure there is any reason not to, but it doesn't feel quite right.

 

I'd create a property on rootIcon, probably an object, and store data in
that:

 

If (rootIcon.dataStore == undefined){ //we haven't already got one

  rootIcon.dataStore = new Object();

}

 

then later

 

rootIcon.dataStore.yourDataName = "some value";

 

It would be easy to add this to the engine and make it part of the
framework, then you could have convenient methods for getting / setting the
values. But it ought to work through your own script anyway.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:39
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] dumb question about variables and xerte content page
type....

 

Hi

this is probably a dumb question that I should know the answer to and I'm
sure I'm doing or missing something stupid - my only excuse - been a bit
under the weather :-(

 

I'm testing adding a couple of model files via xerte content to an XOT
project. In the first model I want to capture text entries and store in a
variable(s) and then access what was entered in the other model imported to
a separate and later page. But I'm struggling to pick up those variables in
the second model/page. 

 

I've tried _root.myvariablename=myrs.text; _level0.myvariablename=myrs.text;
_global.myvariablename=myrs.text;

 

What am I missing? Is it something to do with the way xerte content pages
are loaded?

 

Cheers

Ron

 

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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:40:38 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
1 2 Change
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 28 13:05:02 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:05:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current
advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to
help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
> 1 2 Change
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>
> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 13:18:21 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:18:21 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:



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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 28 13:36:59 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:36:59 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go
on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 13:38:30 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:38:30 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:



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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 28 13:48:42 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:48:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> ?Language Options??
>
>
>
> ?Advanced? could be handy though (I?m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I?m working on). We?re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
>
>
> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
>
>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
> 1 2 Change
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> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 13:51:02 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:02 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.

We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It's a lot: there's been loads going on since September.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:49
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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OK :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.
>
>
>
> We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench
> finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It?s a lot:
> there?s been loads going on since September.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:49
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> "Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
> space at the bottom of the form.
>
>
>
> Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
> that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?Language Options??
>
>
>
> ?Advanced? could be handy though (I?m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I?m working on). We?re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
>
>
> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
>
>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
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>
> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 13:52:20 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:52:20 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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At some point I'd like to make the sections definable in the xwd, and then create controls dynamically to toggle each section on and off. That'll have to wait for now...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:41
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 14:00:04 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:00:04 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Done. Language options and advanced options.

Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections="advanced,language" sectionLabels="Advanced Options,Language Options" in the root node, and then the controls and handlers were built automatically.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:52
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

OK :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.

We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It's a lot: there's been loads going on since September.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:49

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:21:56 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Thank you for the rapid response.

I have downloaded the updates and tested them.

One minor request if it is at all doable.

At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click
the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not
exist in the form.

Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has
not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into
sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a
section exists or not.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Done. Language options and advanced options.
>
>
>
> Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections=?advanced,language?
> sectionLabels=?Advanced Options,Language Options? in the root node, and
> then the controls and handlers were built automatically.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:52
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> OK :-)
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.
>
>
>
> We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench
> finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It?s a lot:
> there?s been loads going on since September.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:49
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> "Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
> space at the bottom of the form.
>
>
>
> Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
> that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?Language Options??
>
>
>
> ?Advanced? could be handy though (I?m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I?m working on). We?re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
>
>
> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
>
>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
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> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 16:04:53 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:04:53 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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I thought .enabled would do that, it seems not, but don't worry, I'll fix that at some point,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 15:22
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Thank you for the rapid response.

I have downloaded the updates and tested them.

One minor request if it is at all doable.

At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not exist in the form.

Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a section exists or not.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Done. Language options and advanced options.

Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections="advanced,language" sectionLabels="Advanced Options,Language Options" in the root node, and then the controls and handlers were built automatically.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:52

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

OK :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.

We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It's a lot: there's been loads going on since September.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:49

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Tue Feb 28 16:09:26 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Thanks :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 16:04, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> I thought .enabled would do that, it seems not, but don?t worry, I?ll fix
> that at some point,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 15:22
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Thank you for the rapid response.
>
>
>
> I have downloaded the updates and tested them.
>
>
>
> One minor request if it is at all doable.
>
>
>
> At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click
> the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not
> exist in the form.
>
>
>
> Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has
> not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into
> sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a
> section exists or not.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Done. Language options and advanced options.
>
>
>
> Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections=?advanced,language?
> sectionLabels=?Advanced Options,Language Options? in the root node, and
> then the controls and handlers were built automatically.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:52
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> OK :-)
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.
>
>
>
> We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench
> finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It?s a lot:
> there?s been loads going on since September.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:49
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> "Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
> space at the bottom of the form.
>
>
>
> Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
> that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?Language Options??
>
>
>
> ?Advanced? could be handy though (I?m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I?m working on). We?re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
>
>
> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
>
>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
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>
>
> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Feb 28 16:20:38 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:20:38 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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How do you change the flippin' text colour on a  checkbox?

Help says setStyle('color', value); nope. Other help says setStyleProperty('textColor', value); nope either.

F"?$%^?.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 15:22
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Thank you for the rapid response.

I have downloaded the updates and tested them.

One minor request if it is at all doable.

At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not exist in the form.

Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a section exists or not.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Done. Language options and advanced options.

Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections="advanced,language" sectionLabels="Advanced Options,Language Options" in the root node, and then the controls and handlers were built automatically.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:52

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

OK :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.

We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It's a lot: there's been loads going on since September.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:49

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:28:00 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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flippin setTextColor().

Dah.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 28 February 2012 16:21
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

How do you change the flippin' text colour on a  checkbox?

Help says setStyle('color', value); nope. Other help says setStyleProperty('textColor', value); nope either.

F"?$%^?.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 15:22
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Thank you for the rapid response.

I have downloaded the updates and tested them.

One minor request if it is at all doable.

At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not exist in the form.

Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a section exists or not.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Done. Language options and advanced options.

Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections="advanced,language" sectionLabels="Advanced Options,Language Options" in the root node, and then the controls and handlers were built automatically.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:52

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

OK :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.

We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It's a lot: there's been loads going on since September.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:49

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 28 22:26:22 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:26:22 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Lockfiles
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Hi all,

Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?

I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.




From david at palepurple.co.uk  Tue Feb 28 23:45:20 2012
From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:45:20 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"

Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?

David.

On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
> 
> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
> 
> 
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 28 23:50:43 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:50:43 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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Stop concurrent access

On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:

> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
> 
> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
> 
> David.
> 
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>> 
>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:

> Stop concurrent access
> 

$fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
     // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
}
else {
    // someone else has access.
}

See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.


David.

> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>> 
>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>> 
>> David.
>> 
>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>> 
>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From david at palepurple.co.uk  Wed Feb 29 00:53:51 2012
From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:53:51 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.

The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.

David


On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:

> 
> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
> 
>> Stop concurrent access
>> 
> 
> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>     // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
> }
> else {
>    // someone else has access.
> }
> 
> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
> 
> 
> David.
> 
>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>> 
>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>> 
>>> David.
>>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>> 
>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 09:58:06 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because they become stale.

On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:

> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.
> 
> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>> 
>>> Stop concurrent access
>>> 
>> 
>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
>> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>    // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
>> }
>> else {
>>   // someone else has access.
>> }
>> 
>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>> 
>> 
>> David.
>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>> 
>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>> 
>>>> David.
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Pale Purple Ltd.  (Company No: 5580814)
>>>> 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP'
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 10:28:17 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:28:17 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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Didn't we get some improvements by making some assumptions to what 'stale' means, by looking at times / dates and comparing them to now.

So if lockfile made yesterday, probably not valid;
Etc

I'm way out of my comfort zone with this stuff, but do you get a session id, can you check to see if the creating session is still active when a new session attempts to open the file?

Is there a lockfile?
Which session made it?
Is that session still alive?

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 February 2012 09:58
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because they become stale.

On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:

> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.
> 
> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>> 
>>> Stop concurrent access
>>> 
>> 
>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
>> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>    // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
>> }
>> else {
>>   // someone else has access.
>> }
>> 
>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>> 
>> 
>> David.
>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>> 
>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>> 
>>>> David.
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Pale Purple Ltd.  (Company No: 5580814)
>>>> 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP'
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk   
>>>> Office: 0845 0046746     Mobile: 07792380669 
>>>> 
>>>> Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 10:35:09 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:35:09 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA4093DA5@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
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the issue was that the session had expired, so i removed the session
code from the lockfile deletion process.

The window.close script i think doesn't fire (I think it uses the main
workspace window), so it's dependent on how you close XOT down.

The thinking being window.close is a bit hit and miss. You could have
an explicit "Close Editor" button?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Didn't we get some improvements by making some assumptions to what 'stale' means, by looking at times / dates and comparing them to now.
>
> So if lockfile made yesterday, probably not valid;
> Etc
>
> I'm way out of my comfort zone with this stuff, but do you get a session id, can you check to see if the creating session is still active when a new session attempts to open the file?
>
> Is there a lockfile?
> Which session made it?
> Is that session still alive?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 29 February 2012 09:58
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>
> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because they become stale.
>
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.
>>
>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>
>>>
>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
>>> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>> ? ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
>>> }
>>> else {
>>> ? // someone else has access.
>>> }
>>>
>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd. ?(Company No: 5580814)
>>>>> 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk
>>>>> Office: 0845 0046746 ? ? Mobile: 07792380669
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 10:38:41 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:38:41 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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> explicit "Close Editor" button?
People would still ignore it...

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 February 2012 10:35
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

the issue was that the session had expired, so i removed the session
code from the lockfile deletion process.

The window.close script i think doesn't fire (I think it uses the main
workspace window), so it's dependent on how you close XOT down.

The thinking being window.close is a bit hit and miss. You could have
an explicit "Close Editor" button?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Didn't we get some improvements by making some assumptions to what 'stale' means, by looking at times / dates and comparing them to now.
>
> So if lockfile made yesterday, probably not valid;
> Etc
>
> I'm way out of my comfort zone with this stuff, but do you get a session id, can you check to see if the creating session is still active when a new session attempts to open the file?
>
> Is there a lockfile?
> Which session made it?
> Is that session still alive?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 29 February 2012 09:58
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>
> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because they become stale.
>
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.
>>
>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>
>>>
>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
>>> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>> ? ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
>>> }
>>> else {
>>> ? // someone else has access.
>>> }
>>>
>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd. ?(Company No: 5580814)
>>>>> 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk
>>>>> Office: 0845 0046746 ? ? Mobile: 07792380669
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
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>>
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From david at palepurple.co.uk  Wed Feb 29 10:46:48 2012
From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:46:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past) - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you were trying to achieve.



Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?

1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g. learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29 10:00').


2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30 seconds to update learning_object.edited_time 

3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"


This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g. using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?

David.


On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:

> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because they become stale.
> 
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.
>> 
>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
>>> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>   // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
>>> }
>>> else {
>>>  // someone else has access.
>>> }
>>> 
>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David.
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>> 
>>>>> David.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd.  (Company No: 5580814)
>>>>> 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk   
>>>>> Office: 0845 0046746     Mobile: 07792380669 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 10:55:55 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:55:55 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login within Xerte

Been here before:

Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
Me. Cool.

...much time and development passes...

Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they were unique...
Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the network
Me: so they're not unique then?
Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles


Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past) - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you were trying to achieve.



Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?

1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g. learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29 10:00').


2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30 seconds to update learning_object.edited_time 

3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"


This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g. using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?

David.


On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:

> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because they become stale.
> 
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN) afterwards.
>> 
>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write" lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited forever.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w');
>>> if(flock($fp, LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>   // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of this webserver.
>>> }
>>> else {
>>>  // someone else has access.
>>> }
>>> 
>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David.
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>> 
>>>>> David.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session anymore.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd.  (Company No: 5580814)
>>>>> 'Business Web Application Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk   
>>>>> Office: 0845 0046746     Mobile: 07792380669 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:
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>>> 
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Wed Feb 29 11:17:41 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:17:41 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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References: <DED4A0A4-ECB3-479C-A6C5-21C6EF4513FF@googlemail.com>	<B7176087-07CD-42E5-B681-EEACFC5944F7@palepurple.co.uk>	<4453B331-7744-423B-8619-57308CE33759@googlemail.com>	<B0E449BC-EE76-452B-983A-C85948E4734E@palepurple.co.uk>	<3D67BE7E-4AAE-4010-958B-09307E2052BF@palepurple.co.uk>	<A5B7F577-0B8F-4C45-A5FA-9C6A93E6999C@googlemail.com>	<92130283-9B03-43CA-B3D2-24653346EDF1@palepurple.co.uk>
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also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
which pre-date the current version of the database.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same 
> login within Xerte

Been here before:

Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
Me. Cool.

...much time and development passes...

Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
were unique...
Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
network
Me: so they're not unique then?
Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles


Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
- but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
were trying to achieve.



Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?

1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
10:00').


2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
seconds to update learning_object.edited_time 

3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"


This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
$_SESSION? Or use their IP address?

David.


On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:

> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
they become stale.
> 
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
afterwards.
>> 
>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
forever.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp, 
>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>   // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
this webserver.
>>> }
>>> else {
>>>  // someone else has access.
>>> }
>>> 
>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly
different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David.
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>> 
>>>>> David.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
anymore.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd.  (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application 
>>>>> Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk   
>>>>> Office: 0845 0046746     Mobile: 07792380669 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Follow us on Twitter: @PalePurpleLtd
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message
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not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email
do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
computer system:
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>>>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
legislation.
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>>> 
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>>> Development and Training in PHP'
>>> 
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>> 
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>> Development and Training in PHP'
>> 
>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk   
>> Office: 0845 0046746     Mobile: 07792380669 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From david at palepurple.co.uk  Wed Feb 29 11:20:37 2012
From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:20:37 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
In-Reply-To: <009e01ccf6d3$c2b55da0$482018e0$@co.uk>
References: <DED4A0A4-ECB3-479C-A6C5-21C6EF4513FF@googlemail.com>	<B7176087-07CD-42E5-B681-EEACFC5944F7@palepurple.co.uk>	<4453B331-7744-423B-8619-57308CE33759@googlemail.com>	<B0E449BC-EE76-452B-983A-C85948E4734E@palepurple.co.uk>	<3D67BE7E-4AAE-4010-958B-09307E2052BF@palepurple.co.uk>	<A5B7F577-0B8F-4C45-A5FA-9C6A93E6999C@googlemail.com>	<92130283-9B03-43CA-B3D2-24653346EDF1@palepurple.co.uk>
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That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere?.

You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it? or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.

thanks
David.


On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:

> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
> which pre-date the current version of the database.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
> 
>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same 
>> login within Xerte
> 
> Been here before:
> 
> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
> Me. Cool.
> 
> ...much time and development passes...
> 
> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
> were unique...
> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
> network
> Me: so they're not unique then?
> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
> 
> 
> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
> were trying to achieve.
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
> 
> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
> 10:00').
> 
> 
> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time 
> 
> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
> 
> 
> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
> 
> David.
> 
> 
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
> 
>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
> they become stale.
>> 
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
> afterwards.
>>> 
>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
> forever.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp, 
>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>  // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
> this webserver.
>>>> }
>>>> else {
>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly
> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
> anymore.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 11:35:49 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:35:49 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
In-Reply-To: <D5C70D52-5016-4C17-81A2-EC142DFDB768@palepurple.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <CAO2PinPVi3SiZNzsGTMrgpOJ3Kd=y2hHG9fXmYuj9TQL8L4y2g@mail.gmail.com>

We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere?.
>
> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it? or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>
> thanks
> David.
>
>
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>
>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>
>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>> login within Xerte
>>
>> Been here before:
>>
>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>> Me. Cool.
>>
>> ...much time and development passes...
>>
>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>> were unique...
>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>> network
>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>
>>
>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>> were trying to achieve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>
>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>> 10:00').
>>
>>
>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>
>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>
>>
>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>
>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>> they become stale.
>>>
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>> afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>> forever.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>> ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>> this webserver.
>>>>> }
>>>>> else {
>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly
>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd. ?(Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application
>>>>>>> Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>> any attachment. ?Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email
>> do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>>>>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>> computer system:
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>>>>>>> with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.palepurple.co.uk
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 11:44:19 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:44:19 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
In-Reply-To: <CAO2PinPVi3SiZNzsGTMrgpOJ3Kd=y2hHG9fXmYuj9TQL8L4y2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA4093E6A@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

Yeah. Still try and delete it if you can. Is 30 seconds appropriate? Or 2 minutes?

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 February 2012 11:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere..
>
> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it. or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>
> thanks
> David.
>
>
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>
>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>
>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>> login within Xerte
>>
>> Been here before:
>>
>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>> Me. Cool.
>>
>> ...much time and development passes...
>>
>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>> were unique...
>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>> network
>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>
>>
>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>> were trying to achieve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>
>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>> 10:00').
>>
>>
>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>
>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>
>>
>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>
>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>> they become stale.
>>>
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>> afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>> forever.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>> ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>> this webserver.
>>>>> }
>>>>> else {
>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly
>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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From david at palepurple.co.uk  Wed Feb 29 11:45:50 2012
From: david at palepurple.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:45:50 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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I think you'd want a small amount of grace in there - e.g. if you do an update every N seconds, then check if the last update was within N + 15 seconds or something before ignoring the lock file - incase someone's browser is having a bad day / web server is busy or whatever.

I suspect you could just go on the timestamp of a file - so perhaps you could avoid making any changes to the database?

thanks,

David.


On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:35, Pat Lockley wrote:

> We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
> up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
> the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere?.
>> 
>> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it? or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>> 
>> thanks
>> David.
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>> 
>>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>> 
>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>>> login within Xerte
>>> 
>>> Been here before:
>>> 
>>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>>> Me. Cool.
>>> 
>>> ...much time and development passes...
>>> 
>>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>>> were unique...
>>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>>> network
>>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>>> were trying to achieve.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>> 
>>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>>> 10:00').
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>> 
>>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>> 
>>> David.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>>> they become stale.
>>>> 
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>>> afterwards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>>> forever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>>>  // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>>> this webserver.
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> else {
>>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly
>>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 11:46:25 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:46:25 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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That would be ideal, yes,

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
Sent: 29 February 2012 11:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

I think you'd want a small amount of grace in there - e.g. if you do an update every N seconds, then check if the last update was within N + 15 seconds or something before ignoring the lock file - incase someone's browser is having a bad day / web server is busy or whatever.

I suspect you could just go on the timestamp of a file - so perhaps you could avoid making any changes to the database?

thanks,

David.


On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:35, Pat Lockley wrote:

> We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
> up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
> the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere....
>> 
>> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it... or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>> 
>> thanks
>> David.
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>> 
>>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>> 
>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>>> login within Xerte
>>> 
>>> Been here before:
>>> 
>>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>>> Me. Cool.
>>> 
>>> ...much time and development passes...
>>> 
>>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>>> were unique...
>>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>>> network
>>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>>> were trying to achieve.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>> 
>>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>>> 10:00').
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>> 
>>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>> 
>>> David.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>>> they become stale.
>>>> 
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>>> afterwards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>>> forever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>>>  // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>>> this webserver.
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> else {
>>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly
>>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Pale Purple Ltd.  (Company No: 5580814) 'Business Web Application
>>>>>>>> Development and Training in PHP'
>>>>>>>> 
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 11:46:42 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:46:42 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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It uses the timestamp already (I think).

So edit.php just needs a set interval call adding and some ajax writing.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> I think you'd want a small amount of grace in there - e.g. if you do an update every N seconds, then check if the last update was within N + 15 seconds or something before ignoring the lock file - incase someone's browser is having a bad day / web server is busy or whatever.
>
> I suspect you could just go on the timestamp of a file - so perhaps you could avoid making any changes to the database?
>
> thanks,
>
> David.
>
>
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:35, Pat Lockley wrote:
>
>> We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
>> up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
>> the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere?.
>>>
>>> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it? or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>>
>>>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>>>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>>>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>
>>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>>>> login within Xerte
>>>>
>>>> Been here before:
>>>>
>>>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>>>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>>>> Me. Cool.
>>>>
>>>> ...much time and development passes...
>>>>
>>>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>>>> were unique...
>>>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>>>> network
>>>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>>>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>>>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>>>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>>>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>>>> were trying to achieve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>>>
>>>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>>>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>>>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>>>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>>>> 10:00').
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>>>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>>>
>>>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>>>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>>>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>>>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>>>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>>>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>>>> they become stale.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>>>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>>>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>>>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>>>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>>>> forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>>>> ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>>>> this webserver.
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>> else {
>>>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly
>>>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>>>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 29 12:35:51 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:35:51 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Thanks, for the leap year edition of wizard.swf.

I have updated the svn and put the new wizard.swf into my Xerte
installation.

In my xwd file I have

<nextTxt label="Next Arrow Label" type="textInput" divider="true"
language="true"/>
<priorTxt label="Prior Arrow Label" type="textInput" language="true"/>

However the "Show language options" text displays initially in grey,
suggesting that the form does not contain any language options.
On clicking the text box, the label text flashes briefly in black then
returns to grey, whilst the tick is accepted in the check box and the
language data is displayed in the form.

Sorry I could nor respond to your query yesterday afternoon, I had left for
a saxophone lesson. I didn't know the answer anyway.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 16:28, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> flippin setTextColor().
>
>
>
> Dah.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 16:21
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> How do you change the flippin? text colour on a  checkbox?
>
>
>
> Help says setStyle(?color?, value); nope. Other help says
> setStyleProperty(?textColor?, value); nope either.
>
>
>
> F??$%^?.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 15:22
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Thank you for the rapid response.
>
>
>
> I have downloaded the updates and tested them.
>
>
>
> One minor request if it is at all doable.
>
>
>
> At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click
> the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not
> exist in the form.
>
>
>
> Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has
> not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into
> sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a
> section exists or not.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Done. Language options and advanced options.
>
>
>
> Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections=?advanced,language?
> sectionLabels=?Advanced Options,Language Options? in the root node, and
> then the controls and handlers were built automatically.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:52
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> OK :-)
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.
>
>
>
> We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench
> finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It?s a lot:
> there?s been loads going on since September.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:49
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> "Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
> space at the bottom of the form.
>
>
>
> Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
> that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?Language Options??
>
>
>
> ?Advanced? could be handy though (I?m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I?m working on). We?re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
>
>
> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
>
>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
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>
> Op 27-2-2012 17:39, Ron Mitchell schreef:
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:03:25 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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I just fixed that, my fault,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 29 February 2012 12:36
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Thanks, for the leap year edition of wizard.swf.

I have updated the svn and put the new wizard.swf into my Xerte installation.

In my xwd file I have

<nextTxt label="Next Arrow Label" type="textInput" divider="true" language="true"/>
<priorTxt label="Prior Arrow Label" type="textInput" language="true"/>

However the "Show language options" text displays initially in grey, suggesting that the form does not contain any language options.
On clicking the text box, the label text flashes briefly in black then returns to grey, whilst the tick is accepted in the check box and the language data is displayed in the form.

Sorry I could nor respond to your query yesterday afternoon, I had left for a saxophone lesson. I didn't know the answer anyway.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 16:28, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
flippin setTextColor().

Dah.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 28 February 2012 16:21

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

How do you change the flippin' text colour on a  checkbox?

Help says setStyle('color', value); nope. Other help says setStyleProperty('textColor', value); nope either.

F"?$%^?.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 15:22
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Thank you for the rapid response.

I have downloaded the updates and tested them.

One minor request if it is at all doable.

At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not exist in the form.

Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a section exists or not.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Done. Language options and advanced options.

Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections="advanced,language" sectionLabels="Advanced Options,Language Options" in the root node, and then the controls and handlers were built automatically.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:52

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

OK :-)

JK

On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.

We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It's a lot: there's been loads going on since September.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:49

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

"Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of space at the bottom of the form.

Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
"Language Options"?

"Advanced" could be handy though (I'm thinking about some of the mapping stuff I'm working on). We're not trying to build visual basic though.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:37

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".

My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.

I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making changes now that might become redundant the better.

I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and Language would work: would suggest just having 'Advanced' and 'Language' as the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 13:05

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.

So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start adding all the display text a few forms get very big.

How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,

Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for low content pages might only have a Main section.

Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.

Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could add to help explain the form.

The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not display if no content existed for that section.

Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?

If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced section.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
It's more work than I've got time to do to make expandable sections for the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various attributes? We can't have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing / hiding sections?

I'm also stuck on the name thing. It's one of those 'I can't believe it's not possible' problems... but I've not thought of a solution.



From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 12:27

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear pushy :-)

We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page (customHotspots.rlm)"

The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that you would be carrying out some further work.

In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may be significantly larger than the page.

However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.

My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.

Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement something like that?

Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
I think this is your situation to resolve...

;-)

If you need more, tell me what you need.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 February 2012 11:59

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Hello Inge,

The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the form to display in the most user friendly way.

There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all there will be.

Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the Quiz will be included in the model set.

With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.

I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.

Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!

Kind regards

Johnathan






On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)

We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.

Bye,
Inge
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From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:13:32 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
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Thank you.

JK

On 29 February 2012 13:03, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> I just fixed that, my fault,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 29 February 2012 12:36
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Thanks, for the leap year edition of wizard.swf.
>
>
>
> I have updated the svn and put the new wizard.swf into my Xerte
> installation.
>
>
>
> In my xwd file I have
>
>
>
> <nextTxt label="Next Arrow Label" type="textInput" divider="true"
> language="true"/>
> <priorTxt label="Prior Arrow Label" type="textInput" language="true"/>
>
>
>
> However the "Show language options" text displays initially in grey,
> suggesting that the form does not contain any language options.
>
> On clicking the text box, the label text flashes briefly in black then
> returns to grey, whilst the tick is accepted in the check box and the
> language data is displayed in the form.
>
>
>
> Sorry I could nor respond to your query yesterday afternoon, I had left
> for a saxophone lesson. I didn't know the answer anyway.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 16:28, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> flippin setTextColor().
>
>
>
> Dah.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 16:21
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> How do you change the flippin? text colour on a  checkbox?
>
>
>
> Help says setStyle(?color?, value); nope. Other help says
> setStyleProperty(?textColor?, value); nope either.
>
>
>
> F??$%^?.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 15:22
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Thank you for the rapid response.
>
>
>
> I have downloaded the updates and tested them.
>
>
>
> One minor request if it is at all doable.
>
>
>
> At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click
> the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not
> exist in the form.
>
>
>
> Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has
> not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into
> sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a
> section exists or not.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Done. Language options and advanced options.
>
>
>
> Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections=?advanced,language?
> sectionLabels=?Advanced Options,Language Options? in the root node, and
> then the controls and handlers were built automatically.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:52
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> OK :-)
>
>
>
> JK
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.
>
>
>
> We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench
> finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It?s a lot:
> there?s been loads going on since September.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:49
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> "Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
> space at the bottom of the form.
>
>
>
> Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
> that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?Language Options??
>
>
>
> ?Advanced? could be handy though (I?m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I?m working on). We?re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
>
>
> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
>
>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ?Advanced? and ?Language? as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
>
>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
>
>
> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
>
>
> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
>
>
>
> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
>
>
>
> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
>
>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
>
>
>
> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
>
> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It?s more work than I?ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can?t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I?m also stuck on the name thing. It?s one of those ?I can?t believe it?s
> not possible? problems? but I?ve not thought of a solution.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
>
>
>
> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
>
> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
>
> I think this is your situation to resolve?
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:37:40 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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You want to get this in for the next build?

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 February 2012 11:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

It uses the timestamp already (I think).

So edit.php just needs a set interval call adding and some ajax writing.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
> I think you'd want a small amount of grace in there - e.g. if you do an update every N seconds, then check if the last update was within N + 15 seconds or something before ignoring the lock file - incase someone's browser is having a bad day / web server is busy or whatever.
>
> I suspect you could just go on the timestamp of a file - so perhaps you could avoid making any changes to the database?
>
> thanks,
>
> David.
>
>
> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:35, Pat Lockley wrote:
>
>> We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
>> up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
>> the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere..
>>>
>>> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it. or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>>
>>>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>>>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>>>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>
>>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>>>> login within Xerte
>>>>
>>>> Been here before:
>>>>
>>>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>>>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>>>> Me. Cool.
>>>>
>>>> ...much time and development passes...
>>>>
>>>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>>>> were unique...
>>>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>>>> network
>>>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>>>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>>>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>>>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>>>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>>>> were trying to achieve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>>>
>>>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>>>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>>>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>>>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>>>> 10:00').
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>>>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>>>
>>>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>>>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>>>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>>>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>>>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>>>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>>>> they become stale.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>>>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>>>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>>>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>>>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>>>> forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>>>> ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>>>> this webserver.
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>> else {
>>>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly
>>>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>>>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 14:37:01 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:37:01 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Next Release
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Hi,

I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.

Is that OK with everyone?

As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.

In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.

Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main distribution.

One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about that just yet.

Thanks for all the work since September,

J





-----Original Message-----
From: Tenney Julian 
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves to focus the mind.

I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project delivers on time.

I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.

I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on progress.

As people complete things perhaps they could update the document accordingly in the svn.

Kind regards

Johnathan





From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 29 15:13:45 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:13:45 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I
will give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them
in?

Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on the
existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.

The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from the
xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
alter the model files?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon
> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then,
> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting
> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>
> Is that OK with everyone?
>
> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard
> about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system
> whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says
> after this build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in
> it (this will be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime
> will (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to be
> hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the
> functionality in the new stuff.
>
> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5
> runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a
> future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in
> the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>
> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend
> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with
> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to
> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>
> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible
> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for
> developers to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd
> driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to
> your code - somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we
> haven't even started to really think about that just yet.
>
> Thanks for all the work since September,
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>
> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>
> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves
> to focus the mind.
>
> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think
> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed.
> I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are
> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
> delivers on time.
>
> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>
> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free
> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
> progress.
>
> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> accordingly in the svn.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 15:44:12 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:44:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>
> Is that OK with everyone?
>
> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
>
> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>
> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>
> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about that just yet.
>
> Thanks for all the work since September,
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>
> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>
> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves to focus the mind.
>
> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
>
> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>
> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on progress.
>
> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document accordingly in the svn.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 15:45:03 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:45:03 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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once we've got an almost release candidate I will see if i've time

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> You want to get this in for the next build?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 29 February 2012 11:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>
> It uses the timestamp already (I think).
>
> So edit.php just needs a set interval call adding and some ajax writing.
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>> I think you'd want a small amount of grace in there - e.g. if you do an update every N seconds, then check if the last update was within N + 15 seconds or something before ignoring the lock file - incase someone's browser is having a bad day / web server is busy or whatever.
>>
>> I suspect you could just go on the timestamp of a file - so perhaps you could avoid making any changes to the database?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:35, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>
>>> We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
>>> up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
>>> the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere..
>>>>
>>>> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it. or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>>>>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>>>>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>>
>>>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>>>>> login within Xerte
>>>>>
>>>>> Been here before:
>>>>>
>>>>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>>>>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>>>>> Me. Cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...much time and development passes...
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>>>>> were unique...
>>>>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>>>>> network
>>>>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>>>>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>>>>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>>>>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>>>>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>>>>> were trying to achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>>>>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>>>>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>>>>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>>>>> 10:00').
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>>>>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>>>>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>>>>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>>>>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>>>>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>>>>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>>>>> they become stale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>>>>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>>>>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>>>>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>>>>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>>>>> forever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>>>>> ?// we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>>>>> this webserver.
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>> else {
>>>>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock ?- note it's behaviour is slightly
>>>>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>>>>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Development and Training in PHP'
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From reijnders at tor.nl  Wed Feb 29 16:08:18 2012
From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:08:18 +0100
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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I would think and suggest XOT 1.8, with Xerte 2.18..... :-)

But than, we have to work really hard, because the last time I checked 
out XOT 1.8 it lagged behind 1.7 in several areas (for example, I 
couldn't get
export  to work).

Don't mind doing that however. It would be a shame not to try to release 
both on March 30....

Tom



Op 29-2-2012 16:44, Pat Lockley schreef:
> Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>>
>> Is that OK with everyone?
>>
>> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
>>
>> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>>
>> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>>
>> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about that just yet.
>>
>> Thanks for all the work since September,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tenney Julian
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves to focus the mind.
>>
>> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
>>
>> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>>
>> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on progress.
>>
>> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document accordingly in the svn.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>
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From johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb 29 16:20:58 2012
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com (Kemp Johnathan)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:20:58 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but the
work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd files.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon
> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then,
> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting
> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >
> > Is that OK with everyone?
> >
> > As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard
> about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system
> whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says
> after this build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in
> it (this will be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime
> will (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to be
> hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the
> functionality in the new stuff.
> >
> > In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5
> runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a
> future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in
> the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
> >
> > Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend
> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with
> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to
> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
> >
> > One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for
> developers to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd
> driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to
> your code - somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we
> haven't even started to really think about that just yet.
> >
> > Thanks for all the work since September,
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tenney Julian
> > Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >
> > Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [
> johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> > Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> > To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >
> > The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
> serves to focus the mind.
> >
> > I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over
> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is
> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in expectation,
> so that the project delivers on time.
> >
> > I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
> >
> > I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
> progress.
> >
> > As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> accordingly in the svn.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xerte-dev mailing list
> > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
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From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:24:18 +0100
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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We will do our best to have Dutch and Norwegian in place....

Op 29-2-2012 17:20, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
> As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on 
> internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any 
> translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but 
> the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd 
> files.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com 
> <mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7
>     neatening up?
>
>     On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
>     <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so
>     I reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and
>     pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing
>     what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to
>     complete by around 23rd (or more or less) so we can start thinking
>     about making the builds etc.
>     >
>     > Is that OK with everyone?
>     >
>     > As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at
>     developing the html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We
>     need to think hard about how to best manage any new functionality
>     to the existing system whilst we develop that. I would like to put
>     a line in the sand that says after this build, play_560 will have
>     an example of every page template in it (this will be my
>     contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will
>     (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to
>     be hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and
>     replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
>     >
>     > In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought
>     to the implications of where we are going, because at some point,
>     the HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we
>     have to look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits
>     ecosystem at all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2
>     years away, but maybe less.
>     >
>     > Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking
>     to spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc,
>     but will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After
>     April I won't be looking to increase the number of templates in
>     the main distribution.
>     >
>     > One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with
>     some sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will
>     make it easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I
>     still anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore
>     some xml payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you
>     to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even started to
>     really think about that just yet.
>     >
>     > Thanks for all the work since September,
>     >
>     > J
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Tenney Julian
>     > Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>     > To: For Xerte technical developers
>     > Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>     >
>     > Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>     > ________________________________________
>     > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of
>     Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
>     <mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>]
>     > Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>     > To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>     > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>     >
>     > The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte
>     certainly serves to focus the mind.
>     >
>     > I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of
>     what I think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been
>     agreed or completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or
>     take over management of the project. I just want to be sure that
>     everything is covered, that there are no misunderstandings or
>     differences in expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
>     >
>     > I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards
>     folder as "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy
>     here for convenience.
>     >
>     > I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please
>     feel free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep
>     up to date on progress.
>     >
>     > As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>     accordingly in the svn.
>     >
>     > Kind regards
>     >
>     > Johnathan
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Xerte-dev mailing list
>     > Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>     <mailto:Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>     > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>     >
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From thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 17:53:59 2012
From: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk (Thomas Rochford)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:53:59 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Hi Everyone,

 

I hope it's alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I will
probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of existing
models and any modifications to the database, authentication interfaces,
etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?

 

Kindest regards, Thomas.

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
Johnathan
Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

 

As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but the work
will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd files.

 

Kind regards

 

Johnathan

 

On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
wrote:

Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?


On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon
that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then,
from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting
that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>
> Is that OK with everyone?
>
> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about
how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we
develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this
build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will
be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually)
handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in
the new stuff.
>
> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime
will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future
where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air,
I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>
> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend
any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with
it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to
increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>
> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible
framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers
to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the
wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code -
somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
started to really think about that just yet.
>
> Thanks for all the work since September,
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tenney Julian
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>
> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
[johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>
> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves
to focus the mind.
>
> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think
still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I
am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are
no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
delivers on time.
>
> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
"Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>
> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free
to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
progress.
>
> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
accordingly in the svn.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
>
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 17:58:54 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something

a WP Blog with buddypress?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
<thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I will
> probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of existing
> models and any modifications to the database, authentication interfaces,
> etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
>
>
>
> Kindest regards, Thomas.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>
>
>
> As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
> internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
> translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but the work
> will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd files.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon
>> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then,
>> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting
>> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
>> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>>
>> Is that OK with everyone?
>>
>> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
>> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about
>> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we
>> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this
>> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will
>> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually)
>> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
>> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in
>> the new stuff.
>>
>> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
>> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime
>> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future
>> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air,
>> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>>
>> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend
>> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with
>> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to
>> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>>
>> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible
>> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers
>> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the
>> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code -
>> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
>> started to really think about that just yet.
>>
>> Thanks for all the work since September,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tenney Julian
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves
>> to focus the mind.
>>
>> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think
>> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I
>> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
>> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are
>> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
>> delivers on time.
>>
>> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
>> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>>
>> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free
>> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
>> progress.
>>
>> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>> accordingly in the svn.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xerte-dev mailing list
>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Wed Feb 29 18:26:49 2012
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
In-Reply-To: <CAO2PinM-SbJ7Y9PxyoSDxvXoQP6S6+9psKcidLxFhoGSibq2QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABtG3=WZi9ebo-C3ZAOFUzavPPK=xei9nBBe+pstoL6v9pLU3w@mail.gmail.com>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA2B08AF0@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0BA4094015@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<CAO2PinN-tSB+h0VdssQqY_Gg+5Qs+hnNh1uBZzJrSV+KmRdx_Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CABtG3=Xf0wpnP5jGt7x=1_nTK7U33n4TGarFDDq1Y5-yooYmkg@mail.gmail.com>	<01e101ccf70b$1d9fe1e0$58dfa5a0$@jiscadvance.ac.uk>
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I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after
Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.

The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the line
in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that
once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560 at
the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or
improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that
eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and
also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or
cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.

Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both know
some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create
barriers that don't exist.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59
To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something

a WP Blog with buddypress?

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
<thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I 
> will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of 
> existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication 
> interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
>
>
>
> Kindest regards, Thomas.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> Johnathan
> Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>
>
>
> As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on 
> internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any 
> translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but 
> the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd
files.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley 
> <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney 
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I 
>> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and 
>> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing 
>> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete 
>> by around 23rd (or more or
>> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>>
>> Is that OK with everyone?
>>
>> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing 
>> the
>> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think 
>> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing 
>> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand 
>> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every 
>> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing), 
>> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the 
>> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates 
>> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
>>
>> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to 
>> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the 
>> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to 
>> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at 
>> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but
maybe less.
>>
>> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to 
>> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but 
>> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I 
>> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main
distribution.
>>
>> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some 
>> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it 
>> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still 
>> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml 
>> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to 
>> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about
that just yet.
>>
>> Thanks for all the work since September,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tenney Julian
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp 
>> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly 
>> serves to focus the mind.
>>
>> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I 
>> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or 
>> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over 
>> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is 
>> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in 
>> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
>>
>> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as 
>> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
convenience.
>>
>> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel 
>> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to 
>> date on progress.
>>
>> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document 
>> accordingly in the svn.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 29 18:32:48 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:32:48 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question of Flash's future viability.
When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't professionally advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing it's best by date.And I loved Authorware dearly...

> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after
> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.
> 
> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the line
> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that
> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560 at
> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or
> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that
> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and
> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or
> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.
> 
> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both know
> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create
> barriers that don't exist.
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59
> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something
> 
> a WP Blog with buddypress?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I 
> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of 
> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication 
> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
> >
> >
> >
> > Kindest regards, Thomas.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> > Johnathan
> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on 
> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any 
> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but 
> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd
> files.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley 
> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney 
> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I 
> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and 
> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing 
> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete 
> >> by around 23rd (or more or
> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >>
> >> Is that OK with everyone?
> >>
> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing 
> >> the
> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think 
> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing 
> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand 
> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every 
> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing), 
> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the 
> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates 
> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
> >>
> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to 
> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the 
> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to 
> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at 
> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but
> maybe less.
> >>
> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to 
> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but 
> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I 
> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main
> distribution.
> >>
> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some 
> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it 
> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still 
> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml 
> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to 
> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about
> that just yet.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tenney Julian
> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >>
> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant 
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp 
> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >>
> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly 
> >> serves to focus the mind.
> >>
> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I 
> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or 
> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over 
> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is 
> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in 
> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
> >>
> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as 
> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
> convenience.
> >>
> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel 
> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to 
> >> date on progress.
> >>
> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document 
> >> accordingly in the svn.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Xerte-dev mailing list
> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
> >>
> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee 
> >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this 
> >> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete 
> >> it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained 
> >> in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions 
> >> expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the
> views of the University of Nottingham.
> >>
> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an 
> >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your 
> >> computer
> >> system:
> >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with 
> >> the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
> legislation.
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> University of Nottingham.
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> >
> >
> >
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 20:12:46 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12:46 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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every piece of software risks becoming obsolete, so it's important to advance.

if people want to stay as they are, that's fine.

Moving house is never easy.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question of
> Flash's future viability.
>
> When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't professionally
> advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing it's
> best by date.
> And I loved Authorware dearly...
>
>
>> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000
>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>>
>> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after
>> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.
>>
>> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the
>> line
>> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that
>> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560
>> at
>> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or
>> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that
>> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and
>> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or
>> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.
>>
>> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both
>> know
>> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create
>> barriers that don't exist.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59
>> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>>
>> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something
>>
>> a WP Blog with buddypress?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
>> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I
>> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of
>> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication
>> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kindest regards, Thomas.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>> > Johnathan
>> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
>> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
>> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but
>> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd
>> files.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Johnathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley
>> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
>> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and
>> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing
>> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete
>> >> by around 23rd (or more or
>> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>> >>
>> >> Is that OK with everyone?
>> >>
>> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing
>> >> the
>> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think
>> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing
>> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand
>> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every
>> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing),
>> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the
>> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates
>> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
>> >>
>> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to
>> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the
>> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to
>> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at
>> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but
>> maybe less.
>> >>
>> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
>> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but
>> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I
>> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main
>> distribution.
>> >>
>> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
>> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it
>> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still
>> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml
>> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to
>> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about
>> that just yet.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Tenney Julian
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
>> >> serves to focus the mind.
>> >>
>> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
>> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
>> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over
>> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is
>> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in
>> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
>> >>
>> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
>> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
>> convenience.
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>> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
>> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to
>> >> date on progress.
>> >>
>> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>> >> accordingly in the svn.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Johnathan
>> >>
>> >>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 20:17:55 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:17:55 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:20:40 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Yes, 1.8 and 2.18.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl]
Sent: 29 February 2012 16:08
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

I would think and suggest XOT 1.8, with Xerte 2.18..... :-)

But than, we have to work really hard, because the last time I checked
out XOT 1.8 it lagged behind 1.7 in several areas (for example, I
couldn't get
export  to work).

Don't mind doing that however. It would be a shame not to try to release
both on March 30....

Tom



Op 29-2-2012 16:44, Pat Lockley schreef:
> Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>>
>> Is that OK with everyone?
>>
>> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
>>
>> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>>
>> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>>
>> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about that just yet.
>>
>> Thanks for all the work since September,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tenney Julian
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves to focus the mind.
>>
>> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
>>
>> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>>
>> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on progress.
>>
>> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document accordingly in the svn.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 20:21:17 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:21:17 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
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good man, cheers.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley [patrick.lockley at googlemail.com]
Sent: 29 February 2012 15:45
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles

once we've got an almost release candidate I will see if i've time

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> You want to get this in for the next build?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 29 February 2012 11:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>
> It uses the timestamp already (I think).
>
> So edit.php just needs a set interval call adding and some ajax writing.
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>> I think you'd want a small amount of grace in there - e.g. if you do an update every N seconds, then check if the last update was within N + 15 seconds or something before ignoring the lock file - incase someone's browser is having a bad day / web server is busy or whatever.
>>
>> I suspect you could just go on the timestamp of a file - so perhaps you could avoid making any changes to the database?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:35, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>
>>> We have the lock file in the template folder already - so we could set
>>> up setinterval to update the lockfile every 30 seconds or so, and if
>>> the last update isn't within 30 seconds, ignore the lockfile?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> That's already dealt with - I've already added an 'upgrade.php' script somewhere..
>>>>
>>>> You'd just need to ask people to point their web browser at it. or have some sort of detection code which causes the upgrade to run if the code thinks the database isn't up to date.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 11:17, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> also if the solution requires a change to the database will need some kind
>>>>> of easy to run update script. There are lots of installations out there
>>>>> which pre-date the current version of the database.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:56
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>>
>>>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same
>>>>>> login within Xerte
>>>>>
>>>>> Been here before:
>>>>>
>>>>> Me to systemsy people: you're sure that user names are unique?
>>>>> Systemsy people: Yep. Bet your house on it.
>>>>> Me. Cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...much time and development passes...
>>>>>
>>>>> Me: We seem to be getting duplicate user names logging in, you said they
>>>>> were unique...
>>>>> Systemsy people: ah, er, yes, well, we meant unique for each part of the
>>>>> network
>>>>> Me: so they're not unique then?
>>>>> Systemsy people: On different parts of the network they're unique.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>>>> Sent: 29 February 2012 10:47
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Lockfiles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - the flock thing should work fine (at least it has for me in the past)
>>>>> - but the lock is only held for the duration of the process - which wouldn't
>>>>> necessarily be sufficient for you - as a http request wouldn't persist while
>>>>> someone was editing the stuff. I think I didn't quite understand what you
>>>>> were trying to achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps something like the following would work for Xerte: ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 On going to edit a LO, you could use the flock stuff to ensure you (the
>>>>> user) are the only ones to have gained an EDIT status on an LO. Once you get
>>>>> EDIT status, you mark it as being edited within the db (e.g.
>>>>> learning_object.edited_by = 'dg', learning_object.edited_time = '2011-02-29
>>>>> 10:00').
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Your edit page has a background AJAXy HTTP request which fires every 30
>>>>> seconds to update learning_object.edited_time
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. If someone else goes to edit the LO, if there is a
>>>>> learning_object.edited_time within 45 (?) seconds of now then you don't
>>>>> allow them to edit it - and say it's "in use by dg"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This will only fall down if there are multiple people using the same login
>>>>> within Xerte; so perhaps you'd need to make it slightly more distinct - e.g.
>>>>> using the user's login and a uniqid() token - which would be stored in their
>>>>> $_SESSION? Or use their IP address?
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 09:58, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the issue. I have a lock system already, and it suffers because
>>>>> they become stale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:53, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, it also looks like you need to explicitly call flock($fp, LOCK_UN)
>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The alternative is, I guess, having a field in the DB to store who is
>>>>> currently editing a file - presumably storing a session_id in a field.
>>>>>>> The only problem with that is it would be possible on either a
>>>>> slow/busy/whatever webserver for two processes to think they had a "write"
>>>>> lock when in fact only one does, and you'd need some way of
>>>>> removing/detecting stale locks - so an LO isn't marked as being edited
>>>>> forever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, David Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:50, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stop concurrent access
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $fp = fopen('/path/to/something.xml.lock', 'w'); if(flock($fp,
>>>>>>>> LOCK_EX, FALSE)) {
>>>>>>>>  // we have an exclusive lock on someting.xml.lock; within the scope of
>>>>> this webserver.
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>> else {
>>>>>>>> // someone else has access.
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See also http://php.net/flock  - note it's behaviour is slightly
>>>>> different on Windows, and it wouldn't scale past more than one web server.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 23:45, David Goodwin <david at palepurple.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "lock an XML file down"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to stop concurrent access to it, or something else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2012, at 22:26, Pat Lockley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on how to lock an XML file down?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it might be the session expiring, or the js might not fire
>>>>> properly. I am pretty sure the lockfile remove code doesn't use the session
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 29 20:22:27 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:22:27 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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I agree Pat, but that's not my point.
"make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or cease to be of use"
Well, Authorware as it was at version 7 didn't die or cease to be of use. (I'm making an AW widget as we speak).But I wouldn't counsel any clients to use Authorware.



> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12:46 +0000
> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> every piece of software risks becoming obsolete, so it's important to advance.
> 
> if people want to stay as they are, that's fine.
> 
> Moving house is never easy.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question of
> > Flash's future viability.
> >
> > When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't professionally
> > advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing it's
> > best by date.
> > And I loved Authorware dearly...
> >
> >
> >> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000
> >
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after
> >> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.
> >>
> >> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the
> >> line
> >> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that
> >> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560
> >> at
> >> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or
> >> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that
> >> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and
> >> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or
> >> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.
> >>
> >> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both
> >> know
> >> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create
> >> barriers that don't exist.
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> >> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59
> >> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something
> >>
> >> a WP Blog with buddypress?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
> >> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I
> >> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of
> >> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication
> >> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kindest regards, Thomas.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> > Johnathan
> >> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
> >> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
> >> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
> >> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but
> >> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd
> >> files.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Johnathan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley
> >> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> >> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
> >> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and
> >> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing
> >> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete
> >> >> by around 23rd (or more or
> >> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is that OK with everyone?
> >> >>
> >> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing
> >> >> the
> >> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think
> >> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing
> >> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand
> >> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every
> >> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing),
> >> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the
> >> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates
> >> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to
> >> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the
> >> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to
> >> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at
> >> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but
> >> maybe less.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
> >> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but
> >> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I
> >> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main
> >> distribution.
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
> >> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it
> >> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still
> >> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml
> >> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to
> >> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about
> >> that just yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
> >> >>
> >> >> J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Tenney Julian
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> >> >> ________________________________________
> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> >> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
> >> >> serves to focus the mind.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
> >> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
> >> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over
> >> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is
> >> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in
> >> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> >> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
> >> convenience.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
> >> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to
> >> >> date on progress.
> >> >>
> >> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> >> >> accordingly in the svn.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Johnathan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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I think more I was saying, nothing is obsolete, you could live in a
cave if you wanted to, but some people like doors, but doors need a
little work.

1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> As long as we're close, we can manage it. Thanks.
>
> ________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: 29 February 2012 15:13
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>
> It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I will
> give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them in?
>
> Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on the
> existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.
>
> The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from the
> xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
> this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
> alter the model files?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon
>> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then,
>> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting
>> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
>> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>>
>> Is that OK with everyone?
>>
>> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
>> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about
>> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we
>> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this
>> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will
>> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually)
>> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
>> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in
>> the new stuff.
>>
>> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
>> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime
>> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future
>> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air,
>> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>>
>> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend
>> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with
>> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to
>> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>>
>> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible
>> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers
>> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the
>> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code -
>> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
>> started to really think about that just yet.
>>
>> Thanks for all the work since September,
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tenney Julian
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>>
>> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves
>> to focus the mind.
>>
>> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think
>> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I
>> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
>> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are
>> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
>> delivers on time.
>>
>> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
>> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
>>
>> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free
>> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
>> progress.
>>
>> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>> accordingly in the svn.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 29 20:31:50 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:31:50 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Would you keep selling caves on the San Andreas fault if you knew an earthquake was imminent?;-)


> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:28:47 +0000
> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> I think more I was saying, nothing is obsolete, you could live in a
> cave if you wanted to, but some people like doors, but doors need a
> little work.
> 
> 1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> > As long as we're close, we can manage it. Thanks.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> > [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> > Sent: 29 February 2012 15:13
> >
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >
> > It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I will
> > give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them in?
> >
> > Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on the
> > existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.
> >
> > The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from the
> > xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
> > this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
> > alter the model files?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> > On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I reckon
> >> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and then,
> >> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and putting
> >> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >>
> >> Is that OK with everyone?
> >>
> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard about
> >> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst we
> >> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after this
> >> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this will
> >> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will (eventually)
> >> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
> >> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the functionality in
> >> the new stuff.
> >>
> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
> >> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5 runtime
> >> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a future
> >> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the air,
> >> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
> >>
> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to spend
> >> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal with
> >> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking to
> >> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
> >>
> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some sensible
> >> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for developers
> >> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving the
> >> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your code -
> >> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
> >> started to really think about that just yet.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tenney Julian
> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >>
> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> >> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >>
> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly serves
> >> to focus the mind.
> >>
> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I think
> >> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or completed. I
> >> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
> >> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there are
> >> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
> >> delivers on time.
> >>
> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for convenience.
> >>
> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel free
> >> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
> >> progress.
> >>
> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> >> accordingly in the svn.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Xerte-dev mailing list
> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
> >>
> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
> >> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
> >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not
> >> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any
> >> attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do
> >> not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
> >>
> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
> >> attachment
> >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer
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> >>
> >
> >
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From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:32:49 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Yes, to seismologists.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you keep selling caves on the San Andreas fault if you knew an
> earthquake was imminent?
> ;-)
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:28:47 +0000
>> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>>
>> I think more I was saying, nothing is obsolete, you could live in a
>> cave if you wanted to, but some people like doors, but doors need a
>> little work.
>>
>> 1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> > As long as we're close, we can manage it. Thanks.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> > [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> > Sent: 29 February 2012 15:13
>> >
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>> >
>> > It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I
>> > will
>> > give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them in?
>> >
>> > Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on
>> > the
>> > existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.
>> >
>> > The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from
>> > the
>> > xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
>> > this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
>> > alter the model files?
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Johnathan
>> >
>> > On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
>> >> reckon
>> >> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and
>> >> then,
>> >> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and
>> >> putting
>> >> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
>> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>> >>
>> >> Is that OK with everyone?
>> >>
>> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
>> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard
>> >> about
>> >> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst
>> >> we
>> >> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after
>> >> this
>> >> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this
>> >> will
>> >> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will
>> >> (eventually)
>> >> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
>> >> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the
>> >> functionality in
>> >> the new stuff.
>> >>
>> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
>> >> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5
>> >> runtime
>> >> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a
>> >> future
>> >> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the
>> >> air,
>> >> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>> >>
>> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
>> >> spend
>> >> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal
>> >> with
>> >> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking
>> >> to
>> >> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>> >>
>> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
>> >> sensible
>> >> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for
>> >> developers
>> >> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving
>> >> the
>> >> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your
>> >> code -
>> >> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
>> >> started to really think about that just yet.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Tenney Julian
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> >> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
>> >> serves
>> >> to focus the mind.
>> >>
>> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
>> >> think
>> >> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
>> >> completed. I
>> >> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
>> >> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there
>> >> are
>> >> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
>> >> delivers on time.
>> >>
>> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
>> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
>> >> convenience.
>> >>
>> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
>> >> free
>> >> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
>> >> progress.
>> >>
>> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>> >> accordingly in the svn.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Johnathan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Xerte-dev mailing list
>> >> Xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev
>> >>
>> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
>> >> and
>> >> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message
>> >> in
>> >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. ? Please
>> >> do not
>> >> use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>> >> any
>> >> attachment. ?Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>> >> email do
>> >> not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>> >>
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>> >> attachment
>> >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer
>> >> system:
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>> >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
>> >> legislation.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Feb 29 20:33:48 2012
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:33:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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You were frightened by a seismologist when you were young?

> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:32:49 +0000
> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> Yes, to seismologists.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Would you keep selling caves on the San Andreas fault if you knew an
> > earthquake was imminent?
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:28:47 +0000
> >> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> I think more I was saying, nothing is obsolete, you could live in a
> >> cave if you wanted to, but some people like doors, but doors need a
> >> little work.
> >>
> >> 1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Julian Tenney
> >> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> > As long as we're close, we can manage it. Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> >> > [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> > Sent: 29 February 2012 15:13
> >> >
> >> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >> >
> >> > It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I
> >> > will
> >> > give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them in?
> >> >
> >> > Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on
> >> > the
> >> > existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.
> >> >
> >> > The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from
> >> > the
> >> > xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
> >> > this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
> >> > alter the model files?
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards
> >> >
> >> > Johnathan
> >> >
> >> > On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney
> >> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
> >> >> reckon
> >> >> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and
> >> >> then,
> >> >> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and
> >> >> putting
> >> >> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
> >> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is that OK with everyone?
> >> >>
> >> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
> >> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard
> >> >> about
> >> >> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst
> >> >> we
> >> >> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after
> >> >> this
> >> >> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this
> >> >> will
> >> >> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will
> >> >> (eventually)
> >> >> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
> >> >> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the
> >> >> functionality in
> >> >> the new stuff.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
> >> >> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5
> >> >> runtime
> >> >> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a
> >> >> future
> >> >> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the
> >> >> air,
> >> >> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
> >> >> spend
> >> >> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal
> >> >> with
> >> >> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking
> >> >> to
> >> >> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
> >> >> sensible
> >> >> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for
> >> >> developers
> >> >> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving
> >> >> the
> >> >> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your
> >> >> code -
> >> >> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
> >> >> started to really think about that just yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
> >> >>
> >> >> J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Tenney Julian
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> >> >> ________________________________________
> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> >> >> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> >> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
> >> >> serves
> >> >> to focus the mind.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
> >> >> think
> >> >> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
> >> >> completed. I
> >> >> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
> >> >> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there
> >> >> are
> >> >> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
> >> >> delivers on time.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> >> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
> >> >> convenience.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
> >> >> free
> >> >> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
> >> >> progress.
> >> >>
> >> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> >> >> accordingly in the svn.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Johnathan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
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From patrick.lockley at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 20:42:40 2012
From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com (Pat Lockley)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:42:40 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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Do a diff across the two (I think tortoise has a branch or commit or
merge or something).

The logic is merge 1.7 into 1.8, expect 1.8 to then break (i would guess)

Freeze 1.7 and then fix 1.8.

Then 1.8 goes into trunk, and 1.9 is made for "developing"

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
> I'm not sure either. How do we resolve this? I don't see much need to change
> anything o the web-app / php side from now on in, other than your sessions
> idea, I'm not aware of anything being worked on. So we can start getting to
> a good source now?
>
> ________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
> [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com]
> Sent: 29 February 2012 20:31
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>
>
> Would you keep selling caves on the San Andreas fault if you knew an
> earthquake was imminent?
> ;-)
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:28:47 +0000
>> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>>
>> I think more I was saying, nothing is obsolete, you could live in a
>> cave if you wanted to, but some people like doors, but doors need a
>> little work.
>>
>> 1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> > As long as we're close, we can manage it. Thanks.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> > [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> > Sent: 29 February 2012 15:13
>> >
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>> >
>> > It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I
>> > will
>> > give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them in?
>> >
>> > Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on
>> > the
>> > existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.
>> >
>> > The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from
>> > the
>> > xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
>> > this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
>> > alter the model files?
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Johnathan
>> >
>> > On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
>> >> reckon
>> >> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and
>> >> then,
>> >> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and
>> >> putting
>> >> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
>> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>> >>
>> >> Is that OK with everyone?
>> >>
>> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
>> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard
>> >> about
>> >> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst
>> >> we
>> >> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after
>> >> this
>> >> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this
>> >> will
>> >> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will
>> >> (eventually)
>> >> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
>> >> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the
>> >> functionality in
>> >> the new stuff.
>> >>
>> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
>> >> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5
>> >> runtime
>> >> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a
>> >> future
>> >> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the
>> >> air,
>> >> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>> >>
>> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
>> >> spend
>> >> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal
>> >> with
>> >> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking
>> >> to
>> >> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>> >>
>> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
>> >> sensible
>> >> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for
>> >> developers
>> >> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving
>> >> the
>> >> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your
>> >> code -
>> >> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
>> >> started to really think about that just yet.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Tenney Julian
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> >> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
>> >> serves
>> >> to focus the mind.
>> >>
>> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
>> >> think
>> >> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
>> >> completed. I
>> >> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
>> >> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there
>> >> are
>> >> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
>> >> delivers on time.
>> >>
>> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
>> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
>> >> convenience.
>> >>
>> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
>> >> free
>> >> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
>> >> progress.
>> >>
>> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>> >> accordingly in the svn.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Johnathan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 29 20:44:16 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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>
also, the endless 'Authorware is Dead' threads from its users eventually contributed to its demise, IMHO. 
Ouch. That stung. :-)
Not a "Xerte is dead" thread.I'm not clinging to Xerte as2 or 3 or XOT or desktop and saying "Freeze!". I know it has to change and that it will change for the better.
I'm saying (from experience) that people get pissed if they feel they were misled.That's all.The Xerte 3 thing is a minor example.What, no upgrade path 2>3? WTF?

From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:33:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release











also, the endless 'Authorware is Dead' threads from its users eventually contributed to its demise, IMHO.
 
Bear in mind we've already been delivering to a defunct runtime for about four years. There is no AS2 future for flash, and hasn't been since about 2006. Everything is about AS3 for Flash. Every new release of the flash player I dread
 that something crucial in the AVM1 will just stop working, and we'll be up the swannee.
 
The thing to remember is where the traction is: the thousands (and there really are thousands) of users that use Xerte Online Toolkits and want to just wash and go. That's where we've got the momentum. So far, the iOS thing isn't a
 major issue for them, but it's going to become one, and they will need a solution. These users are not developers, and their needs are paramount in my mind.
 
Also, the way to avoid this happening again is to really embrace open standards. I've always resisted the open standards zealots a bit because, frankly, they've been rubbish at doing what I needed to do - rich, interactive stuff - and develop once, deliver
 to any browser. But that is changing.
 
 


From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com]

Sent: 29 February 2012 20:22

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release










I agree Pat, but that's not my point.



"make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or cease to be of use"



Well, Authorware as it was at version 7 didn't die or cease to be of use. (I'm making an AW widget as we speak).
But I wouldn't counsel any clients to use Authorware.













> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12:46 +0000

> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com

> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> 

> every piece of software risks becoming obsolete, so it's important to advance.

> 

> if people want to stay as they are, that's fine.

> 

> Moving house is never easy.

> 

> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question of

> > Flash's future viability.

> >

> > When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't professionally

> > advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing it's

> > best by date.

> > And I loved Authorware dearly...

> >

> >

> >> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000

> >

> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> >>

> >> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after

> >> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.

> >>

> >> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the

> >> line

> >> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that

> >> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560

> >> at

> >> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or

> >> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that

> >> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and

> >> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or

> >> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.

> >>

> >> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both

> >> know

> >> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create

> >> barriers that don't exist.

> >>

> >> Ron

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

> >> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59

> >> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers

> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> >>

> >> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something

> >>

> >> a WP Blog with buddypress?

> >>

> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford

> >> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:

> >> > Hi Everyone,

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I

> >> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of

> >> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication

> >> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Kindest regards, Thomas.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp

> >> > Johnathan

> >> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21

> >> > To: For Xerte technical developers

> >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on

> >> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any

> >> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but

> >> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd

> >> files.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Kind regards

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Johnathan

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley

> >> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>

> >> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney

> >> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> >> >> Hi,

> >> >>

> >> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I

> >> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and

> >> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing

> >> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete

> >> >> by around 23rd (or more or

> >> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.

> >> >>

> >> >> Is that OK with everyone?

> >> >>

> >> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing

> >> >> the

> >> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think

> >> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing

> >> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand

> >> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every

> >> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing),

> >> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the

> >> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates

> >> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.

> >> >>

> >> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to

> >> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the

> >> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to

> >> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at

> >> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but

> >> maybe less.

> >> >>

> >> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to

> >> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but

> >> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I

> >> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main

> >> distribution.

> >> >>

> >> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some

> >> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it

> >> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still

> >> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml

> >> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to

> >> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about

> >> that just yet.

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks for all the work since September,

> >> >>

> >> >> J

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> >> From: Tenney Julian

> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04

> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers

> >> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant

> >> >> ________________________________________

> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp

> >> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]

> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51

> >> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List

> >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

> >> >>

> >> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly

> >> >> serves to focus the mind.

> >> >>

> >> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I

> >> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or

> >> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over

> >> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is

> >> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in

> >> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.

> >> >>

> >> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as

> >> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for

> >> convenience.

> >> >>

> >> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel

> >> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to

> >> >> date on progress.

> >> >>

> >> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document

> >> >> accordingly in the svn.

> >> >>

> >> >> Kind regards

> >> >>

> >> >> Johnathan

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> _______________________________________________

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From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:55:32 -0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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< The thing to remember is where the traction is: the thousands (and there
really are thousands) of users that use Xerte Online Toolkits and want to
just wash and go. That's where we've got the momentum. So far, the iOS thing
isn't a major issue for them, but it's going to become one, and they will
need a solution. These users are not developers, and their needs are
paramount in my mind.>

 

I agree and I'd add that I think those numbers of non-developer XOT users
are gradually or possibly even exponentially increasing regularly now. So
the new developments are exciting and good news and by the time a html5
version is anywhere near ready so will those users be - but if we're not
careful that message could easily turn into a Chinese whisper...

 

"Send three and four-pence we're going to a dance"...

 

Ron

 

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 29 February 2012 20:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

 

also, the endless 'Authorware is Dead' threads from its users eventually
contributed to its demise, IMHO.

 

Bear in mind we've already been delivering to a defunct runtime for about
four years. There is no AS2 future for flash, and hasn't been since about
2006. Everything is about AS3 for Flash. Every new release of the flash
player I dread that something crucial in the AVM1 will just stop working,
and we'll be up the swannee.

 

The thing to remember is where the traction is: the thousands (and there
really are thousands) of users that use Xerte Online Toolkits and want to
just wash and go. That's where we've got the momentum. So far, the iOS thing
isn't a major issue for them, but it's going to become one, and they will
need a solution. These users are not developers, and their needs are
paramount in my mind.

 

Also, the way to avoid this happening again is to really embrace open
standards. I've always resisted the open standards zealots a bit because,
frankly, they've been rubbish at doing what I needed to do - rich,
interactive stuff - and develop once, deliver to any browser. But that is
changing.

 

 

  _____  

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
[d_b_burnett at hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 February 2012 20:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

 

I agree Pat, but that's not my point.

 

"make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or cease
to be of use"

 

Well, Authorware as it was at version 7 didn't die or cease to be of use.
(I'm making an AW widget as we speak).

But I wouldn't counsel any clients to use Authorware.

 

 

 

 

> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12:46 +0000
> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> every piece of software risks becoming obsolete, so it's important to
advance.
> 
> if people want to stay as they are, that's fine.
> 
> Moving house is never easy.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question
of
> > Flash's future viability.
> >
> > When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't
professionally
> > advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing
it's
> > best by date.
> > And I loved Authorware dearly...
> >
> >
> >> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000
> >
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much
after
> >> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.
> >>
> >> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the
> >> line
> >> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say
that
> >> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in
560
> >> at
> >> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions
or
> >> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that
> >> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build
and
> >> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die
or
> >> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.
> >>
> >> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both
> >> know
> >> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially
create
> >> barriers that don't exist.
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
Lockley
> >> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59
> >> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something
> >>
> >> a WP Blog with buddypress?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
> >> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I hope it's alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I
> >> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of
> >> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication
> >> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kindest regards, Thomas.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> > Johnathan
> >> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
> >> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
> >> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
> >> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but
> >> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the
xwd
> >> files.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Johnathan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley
> >> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening
up?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> >> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
> >> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and
> >> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing
> >> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to
complete
> >> >> by around 23rd (or more or
> >> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is that OK with everyone?
> >> >>
> >> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing
> >> >> the
> >> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think
> >> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing
> >> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the
sand
> >> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every
> >> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing),
> >> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in
the
> >> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates
> >> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to
> >> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the
> >> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have
to
> >> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem
at
> >> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but
> >> maybe less.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
> >> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but
> >> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I
> >> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main
> >> distribution.
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
> >> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it
> >> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still
> >> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml
> >> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to
> >> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think
about
> >> that just yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
> >> >>
> >> >> J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Tenney Julian
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> >> >> ________________________________________
> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> >> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
> >> >> serves to focus the mind.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
> >> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed
or
> >> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over
> >> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is
> >> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in
> >> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> >> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
> >> convenience.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
> >> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to
> >> >> date on progress.
> >> >>
> >> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> >> >> accordingly in the svn.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Johnathan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 29 21:04:51 2012
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:04:51 -0500
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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>
Chinese whisper 
I always found it humorous that the Italians called syphilis the French disease and the Scots called it the English disease.   

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:55:32 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release



< The thing to remember is where the traction is: the thousands (and there really are thousands) of users that use Xerte Online Toolkits and want to just wash and go. That's where we've got the momentum. So far, the iOS thing isn't a major issue for them, but it's going to become one, and they will need a solution. These users are not developers, and their needs are paramount in my mind.> I agree and I'd add that I think those numbers of non-developer XOT users are gradually or possibly even exponentially increasing regularly now. So the new developments are exciting and good news and by the time a html5 version is anywhere near ready so will those users be - but if we're not careful that message could easily turn into a Chinese whisper... "Send three and four-pence we're going to a dance"... Ron From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 29 February 2012 20:34
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release also, the endless 'Authorware is Dead' threads from its users eventually contributed to its demise, IMHO. Bear in mind we've already been delivering to a defunct runtime for about four years. There is no AS2 future for flash, and hasn't been since about 2006. Everything is about AS3 for Flash. Every new release of the flash player I dread that something crucial in the AVM1 will just stop working, and we'll be up the swannee. The thing to remember is where the traction is: the thousands (and there really are thousands) of users that use Xerte Online Toolkits and want to just wash and go. That's where we've got the momentum. So far, the iOS thing isn't a major issue for them, but it's going to become one, and they will need a solution. These users are not developers, and their needs are paramount in my mind. Also, the way to avoid this happening again is to really embrace open standards. I've always resisted the open standards zealots a bit because, frankly, they've been rubbish at doing what I needed to do - rich, interactive stuff - and develop once, deliver to any browser. But that is changing.  From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 February 2012 20:22
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release I agree Pat, but that's not my point. "make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or cease to be of use" Well, Authorware as it was at version 7 didn't die or cease to be of use. (I'm making an AW widget as we speak).But I wouldn't counsel any clients to use Authorware.    > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12:46 +0000
> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> 
> every piece of software risks becoming obsolete, so it's important to advance.
> 
> if people want to stay as they are, that's fine.
> 
> Moving house is never easy.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question of
> > Flash's future viability.
> >
> > When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't professionally
> > advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing it's
> > best by date.
> > And I loved Authorware dearly...
> >
> >
> >> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000
> >
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after
> >> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.
> >>
> >> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the
> >> line
> >> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that
> >> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560
> >> at
> >> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or
> >> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that
> >> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and
> >> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or
> >> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.
> >>
> >> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both
> >> know
> >> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create
> >> barriers that don't exist.
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> >> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59
> >> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >>
> >> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something
> >>
> >> a WP Blog with buddypress?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford
> >> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> > Hi Everyone,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I hope it?s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I
> >> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of
> >> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication
> >> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kindest regards, Thomas.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> > Johnathan
> >> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21
> >> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on
> >> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any
> >> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but
> >> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd
> >> files.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Johnathan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley
> >> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney
> >> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
> >> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and
> >> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing
> >> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete
> >> >> by around 23rd (or more or
> >> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is that OK with everyone?
> >> >>
> >> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing
> >> >> the
> >> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think
> >> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing
> >> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand
> >> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every
> >> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing),
> >> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the
> >> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates
> >> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to
> >> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the
> >> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to
> >> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at
> >> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but
> >> maybe less.
> >> >>
> >> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
> >> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but
> >> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I
> >> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main
> >> distribution.
> >> >>
> >> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
> >> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it
> >> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still
> >> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml
> >> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to
> >> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about
> >> that just yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
> >> >>
> >> >> J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Tenney Julian
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
> >> >> ________________________________________
> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
> >> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
> >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
> >> >>
> >> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
> >> >> serves to focus the mind.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
> >> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
> >> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over
> >> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is
> >> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in
> >> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
> >> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
> >> convenience.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
> >> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to
> >> >> date on progress.
> >> >>
> >> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
> >> >> accordingly in the svn.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Johnathan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:07:19 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:01:36 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
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lets try and do this by the end of next week.

________________________________________
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley [patrick.lockley at googlemail.com]
Sent: 29 February 2012 20:42
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

Do a diff across the two (I think tortoise has a branch or commit or
merge or something).

The logic is merge 1.7 into 1.8, expect 1.8 to then break (i would guess)

Freeze 1.7 and then fix 1.8.

Then 1.8 goes into trunk, and 1.9 is made for "developing"

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
> I'm not sure either. How do we resolve this? I don't see much need to change
> anything o the web-app / php side from now on in, other than your sessions
> idea, I'm not aware of anything being worked on. So we can start getting to
> a good source now?
>
> ________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
> [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com]
> Sent: 29 February 2012 20:31
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>
>
> Would you keep selling caves on the San Andreas fault if you knew an
> earthquake was imminent?
> ;-)
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:28:47 +0000
>> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>>
>> I think more I was saying, nothing is obsolete, you could live in a
>> cave if you wanted to, but some people like doors, but doors need a
>> little work.
>>
>> 1.7 / trunk and 1.8 are massively out of sync I'd guess.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> > As long as we're close, we can manage it. Thanks.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> > [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> > Sent: 29 February 2012 15:13
>> >
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release
>> >
>> > It may be a bit tight to get all the Connector pages done by then but I
>> > will
>> > give it a go. If they arrive a few days later can I still sneak them in?
>> >
>> > Before I do any more on the routed pages I will finish off the work on
>> > the
>> > existing templates now that the work on the xwd is finished.
>> >
>> > The biggest issue I can see is the one of passing the name value from
>> > the
>> > xml data to be displayed as the page title and to populate the toc. Will
>> > this all be done in the supporting swf files or will it be necessary to
>> > alter the model files?
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Johnathan
>> >
>> > On 29 February 2012 14:37, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I
>> >> reckon
>> >> that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and pieces, and
>> >> then,
>> >> from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing what's there and
>> >> putting
>> >> that straight. The testing needs to complete by around 23rd (or more or
>> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.
>> >>
>> >> Is that OK with everyone?
>> >>
>> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing the
>> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think hard
>> >> about
>> >> how to best manage any new functionality to the existing system whilst
>> >> we
>> >> develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand that says after
>> >> this
>> >> build, play_560 will have an example of every page template in it (this
>> >> will
>> >> be my contribution to the testing), and the html5 runtime will
>> >> (eventually)
>> >> handle every page type in the build. What's going to be hard is having
>> >> people adding new templates whilst we try and replicate the
>> >> functionality in
>> >> the new stuff.
>> >>
>> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to the
>> >> implications of where we are going, because at some point, the HTML5
>> >> runtime
>> >> will become the primary delivery system, and we have to look to a
>> >> future
>> >> where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at all. Finger in the
>> >> air,
>> >> I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but maybe less.
>> >>
>> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to
>> >> spend
>> >> any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but will deal
>> >> with
>> >> it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I won't be looking
>> >> to
>> >> increase the number of templates in the main distribution.
>> >>
>> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some
>> >> sensible
>> >> framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it easy for
>> >> developers
>> >> to add new templates in the future. I still anticipate the xwd driving
>> >> the
>> >> wizard form, and therefore some xml payload being delivered to your
>> >> code -
>> >> somehow - for you to use to drive your templates, but we haven't even
>> >> started to really think about that just yet.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the work since September,
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Tenney Julian
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04
>> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
>> >> [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]
>> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51
>> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List
>> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play
>> >>
>> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly
>> >> serves
>> >> to focus the mind.
>> >>
>> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I
>> >> think
>> >> still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or
>> >> completed. I
>> >> am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over management of the
>> >> project. I just want to be sure that everything is covered, that there
>> >> are
>> >> no misunderstandings or differences in expectation, so that the project
>> >> delivers on time.
>> >>
>> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as
>> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for
>> >> convenience.
>> >>
>> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel
>> >> free
>> >> to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to date on
>> >> progress.
>> >>
>> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document
>> >> accordingly in the svn.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Johnathan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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