[Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Tue Apr 3 08:13:06 BST 2012


Let me give a try this week. I agree that image buttons should work, but 
I would prefer to set the text in the translation tool.

Much cleaner...

You don't have to worry about too much about the width. HTML will solve 
that (I think)

Op 2-4-2012 19:14, Pat Lockley schreef:
> PSDs aren't open though? Maybe via a png and GD?
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ron Mitchell<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>  wrote:
>> Just a thought - Would it be better (less flexible but perhaps more
>> reliable) to leave the text embedded in the buttons and have different
>> button sets for each language e.g. someone doing a translation also creates
>> a set of buttons from a master set of PSD files?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:59
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>
>> and then you've user styles sheets and text sizes. it'll be getting ugly.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>> You'll need to find a library to do it, and even then, on different
>> devices, you won't get a good result, so it's probably not worth it. I think
>> Flash could only do it because it knew how it was going to render the fonts.
>> I bet you Arial 10pt is different on different devices running different
>> resolutions, and mobiles have some other dpi thing going on with respect to
>> resolution / screen size.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>> Lockley
>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:49
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>
>>> probably, but i don't want to spend ages on it, maybe an hour tops, so
>>> it might be which ever is easiest (and if your text don't fit, you can
>>> shrink it)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Julian Tenney
>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>> Can you measure text in a given size / font in javascript? So given a
>> string, you can work out how many pixels is needed? Flash had getTextExtent
>> which was useful for making sure everything sizes nicely.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>> Lockley
>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 13:22
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>
>>>> it's not much harder, but I am happy to go with which ever option.
>>>>
>>>> I would agree in different languages the buttons change length - but
>>>> the buttons are squeezed in pretty tightly - so you might have to
>>>> have some buttons with smaller text?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>  wrote:
>>>>> Come on...., this is such a standard technique....
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:45, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>
>>>>>> sections will make the HTML a load harder because you'll be setting
>>>>>> three backgrounds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>    wrote:
>>>>>>> Four states for each button?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Normal
>>>>>>> Click
>>>>>>> Off
>>>>>>> Disabled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll do the sections approach if that's OK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>>>>> Reijnders
>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:38
>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or a left side, middle (that can be stretched) and right side...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are a few other places as well, like the login button...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:33, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>>>>>>> These being the buttons for the top row of the workspace?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:31
>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The same size as they are now really
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>      wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>>> You need one, or several sizes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:11
>>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Change the file then for that one :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also should they be prefixed INDEX_ ? seems a good policy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The label is a resource, but they'd need to be some JS work to
>>>>>>>>> handle "disabling" the button
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> We/I can create blank buttons.... than, the label is just
>>>>>>>>>> another resource in one of the inc files. Correct?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ehmm... I would say, yes, dow whatever is the simplest, but,
>>>>>>>>>> ehmm, you're still the expert on that!  I am happy to help!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Generating a translation of the inc files workes very smoothly!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have a Dutch XOT up and running because of that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only the index.inc (rootlevel) caused some issues, because it
>>>>>>>>>> breaks the pattern. The defines for the LOGIN_AREA, USERNAME,
>>>>>>>>>> etc uses single quotes in stead of double quotes.... That
>>>>>>>>>> breaks my parser!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:33, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we don't have "blank" buttons though - with those we could do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Drupal and WordPress use CSS to make the button - I am happy
>>>>>>>>>>> to go with whatever is simple
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Tom
>>>>>>>>>>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, we could just use links of course, but it is doable
>>>>>>>>>>>> (I've seen this working on joomla through css tricks on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML link)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:16, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No work has happened in index.php to allow for language
>>>>>>>>>>>>> detection yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the flash load when the preview / play fails? Fiddler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would get rid of the buttons and just use links now (for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sake of simplicity).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We (Inge and I) finished the first round of the Dutch
>> translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I installed a fresh xot from svn trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied an existing xot database (1.7) as the basis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied all the USER_FILES and the templates and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parent_templates of the live xot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I 'upgraded' all the parent_templates by copying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, thumbs and generated xwd;s from the page based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xwd's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been able to do very much with it just yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already have a few observations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The language selection has to be sorted out 2. We should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use one mechanism for the language parameter, ether 'en',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'nl',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    etc or 'en-gb', 'nl-nl' etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The first tests show, that you can edit existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (upgraded) LO's 4. I can't preview or run them, the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocks (The first page loads, but after that I can't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone wants to have a peek, I'll give you the URL and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the login credentials by PM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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