[Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)

Pat Lockley patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
Mon Apr 2 18:14:14 BST 2012


PSDs aren't open though? Maybe via a png and GD?

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> Just a thought - Would it be better (less flexible but perhaps more
> reliable) to leave the text embedded in the buttons and have different
> button sets for each language e.g. someone doing a translation also creates
> a set of buttons from a master set of PSD files?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:59
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>
> and then you've user styles sheets and text sizes. it'll be getting ugly.
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> You'll need to find a library to do it, and even then, on different
> devices, you won't get a good result, so it's probably not worth it. I think
> Flash could only do it because it knew how it was going to render the fonts.
> I bet you Arial 10pt is different on different devices running different
> resolutions, and mobiles have some other dpi thing going on with respect to
> resolution / screen size.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> Lockley
>> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:49
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>
>> probably, but i don't want to spend ages on it, maybe an hour tops, so
>> it might be which ever is easiest (and if your text don't fit, you can
>> shrink it)
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Can you measure text in a given size / font in javascript? So given a
> string, you can work out how many pixels is needed? Flash had getTextExtent
> which was useful for making sure everything sizes nicely.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>> Lockley
>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 13:22
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>
>>> it's not much harder, but I am happy to go with which ever option.
>>>
>>> I would agree in different languages the buttons change length - but
>>> the buttons are squeezed in pretty tightly - so you might have to
>>> have some buttons with smaller text?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
>>>> Come on...., this is such a standard technique....
>>>>
>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:45, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>
>>>>> sections will make the HTML a load harder because you'll be setting
>>>>> three backgrounds?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Four states for each button?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Normal
>>>>>> Click
>>>>>> Off
>>>>>> Disabled
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll do the sections approach if that's OK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>>>> Reijnders
>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:38
>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or a left side, middle (that can be stretched) and right side...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a few other places as well, like the login button...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:33, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These being the buttons for the top row of the workspace?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:31
>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The same size as they are now really
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need one, or several sizes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:11
>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Change the file then for that one :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also should they be prefixed INDEX_ ? seems a good policy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The label is a resource, but they'd need to be some JS work to
>>>>>>>> handle "disabling" the button
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We/I can create blank buttons.... than, the label is just
>>>>>>>>> another resource in one of the inc files. Correct?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ehmm... I would say, yes, dow whatever is the simplest, but,
>>>>>>>>> ehmm, you're still the expert on that!  I am happy to help!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Generating a translation of the inc files workes very smoothly!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have a Dutch XOT up and running because of that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only the index.inc (rootlevel) caused some issues, because it
>>>>>>>>> breaks the pattern. The defines for the LOGIN_AREA, USERNAME,
>>>>>>>>> etc uses single quotes in stead of double quotes.... That
>>>>>>>>> breaks my parser!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:33, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we don't have "blank" buttons though - with those we could do it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Drupal and WordPress use CSS to make the button - I am happy
>>>>>>>>>> to go with whatever is simple
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Tom
>>>>>>>>>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> yes, we could just use links of course, but it is doable
>>>>>>>>>>> (I've seen this working on joomla through css tricks on a
>>>>>>>>>>> HTML link)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:16, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No work has happened in index.php to allow for language
>>>>>>>>>>>> detection yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the flash load when the preview / play fails? Fiddler
>>>>>>>>>>>> showing anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would get rid of the buttons and just use links now (for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the sake of simplicity).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We (Inge and I) finished the first round of the Dutch
> translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I installed a fresh xot from svn trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied an existing xot database (1.7) as the basis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied all the USER_FILES and the templates and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parent_templates of the live xot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I 'upgraded' all the parent_templates by copying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, thumbs and generated xwd;s from the page based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xwd's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been able to do very much with it just yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already have a few observations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The language selection has to be sorted out 2. We should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use one mechanism for the language parameter, ether 'en',
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'nl',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   etc or 'en-gb', 'nl-nl' etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The first tests show, that you can edit existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (upgraded) LO's 4. I can't preview or run them, the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocks (The first page loads, but after that I can't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone wants to have a peek, I'll give you the URL and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the login credentials by PM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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