<div dir="auto"><div><div>Hi Bastiaan,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Chris used his Systema Dipterorum as a sandbox, including nomenclatural acts that were not published such as synonyms, new names, or validation of species from synonymy. Such nomenclatural acts do not follow the Code, thus they are not valid.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No matter how many websites duplicate the personal notes of Chris, they are still invalid.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The old link to myspecies explicitely says that the classification in that Excel file follows the ideas or vision of Chris, including names never published:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://syrphidae.myspecies.info/node/6170">http://syrphidae.myspecies.info/node/6170</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The mention by Moran et al. (2022) is also a nomen dubium, as they mention a name that it has never been published.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In the past, most of us (including me) used the presence of a name on <a href="http://diptera.org">diptera.org</a> as if this was a valid publication. Neal Evenhuis and Thomas Pape (now in charge) told us several times that <a href="http://diptera.org">diptera.org</a> is a compilation of names, and the listing of a name on this web does not constitute a publication following the Code. They cleaned as many as they know of these "non-published" acts. In other words, if a new name by Chris (like Austrocheilosia) is still listed on <a href="http://diptera.org">diptera.org</a>, the web will never constitute a reference to cite the name.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">BTW, Austrocheilosia is not listed in the excel file for the classification from myspecies website.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The name to use for this taxon is Cheilosia australis:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/46199">http://diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/46199</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here the photos of the type:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/ed/item/ed9350?listIndex=9&listCount=10991">https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/ed/item/ed9350?listIndex=9&listCount=10991</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Note: if I am right, the lectotype designation was never published by Chris. Thus, the original syntypes are still valid as syntypes until a new reviewer designates a lectotype in a publication.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is not an isolated case, and there will be more names that Chris coined in a manuscript or directly listed on <a href="http://diptera.org">diptera.org</a>, which were never published, like Neoplesia.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ximo</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>******************************************************** <br><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">Dr. Ximo Mengual<br>Head of the Diptera Section<br></font><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2" face="Default Sans Serif,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">Zoologisches Forschungsmuseum Alexander Koenig <br></font></font><font size="2"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000">Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversitätswandels</font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Adenauerallee 127 • 53113 Bonn, Germany</font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="2"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Phone: 0049 (0)228 9122 292</font><br></font><a href="https://www.zfmk.de/en/zfmk/ximo-mengual" target="_blank">ZFMK web</a><a href="http://entomology.si.edu/StaffPages/MengualJ.html" target="_blank"><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,153)" size="2"><br></font></a></div>
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<p><font face="monospace">Hi Ximo,</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace"><br>
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<p><font face="monospace">Hmmm, let's see: The publications are
rather websites digesting (old) SD info ... <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace"><a href="https://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonposition/id703834/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonposition/id703834/</a>
2005</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace"><a href="https://www.syrphidae.com/name.php?id=00019861-270f-4aff-802b-3e0bc5997e73" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.syrphidae.com/name.php?id=00019861-270f-4aff-802b-3e0bc5997e73</a>
2012</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">... with some exceptions:</font></p>
<p>Moran, K. M., Skevington, J. H., Kelso, S., Mengual, X.,
Jordaens, K., Young, A. D., ... & Van Steenis, W. (2022). A
multigene phylogeny of the eristaline flower flies (Diptera:
Syrphidae), with emphasis on the subtribe Criorhinina. <i>Zoological
Journal of the Linnean Society</i>, <i>194</i>(1), 120-135.</p>
<p>... mentioned the name Austrocheilosia Thompson,2012 but just
that it was not included in the study</p>
<p><font face="monospace"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c3V-Ei1ZwVtXTuieu2qul8Hd14iBY-puUMG8RaxLCto/edit" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c3V-Ei1ZwVtXTuieu2qul8Hd14iBY-puUMG8RaxLCto/edit</a>
names the genus</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">And an old link to myspecies:
<a href="https://syrphidae.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/672/media" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://syrphidae.myspecies.info/taxonomy/term/672/media</a> but as
I have a copy of the data I found the following text: "Species
known from Australia (Queensland and Tasmania) (Thompson 2010)".
But that's from the specie not the genus. Where the reference is
from <a href="http://diptera.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">diptera.org</a> in 2010.</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">So a bit of a mess. What's the advice for
<a href="http://syrphidae.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">syrphidae.com</a>? And Austrocheilosia australis?</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace"><br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Bastiaan</p>
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<div>On 5/29/25 12:38, ximo mengual sanchis
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Bastiaan,</div>
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<div dir="auto">The name Austrocheilosia has never been
published. The only published reference is this one and made
it nomen dubium:</div>
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<div dir="auto"><a href="http://diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/273914" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/273914</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">Cheers,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Ximo</div>
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<div dir="auto">PS: do you mind to share the name of the
publications you listed in youremail?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El jue, 29 may 2025, 12:19
p. m., Bastiaan Wakkie <<a href="mailto:bwakkie@syrphidae.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bwakkie@syrphidae.com</a>>
escribió:<br>
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<p><font face="monospace">Hi all,</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace"><br>
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<p><font face="monospace">Does anyone know where the
genus Austrocheilosia Thompson is published? Online
I see even three years of publication 2005,2008 and
2012...</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">...and a pdf would be
wonderful if you have it.</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace"><br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">Cheers,</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">Bastiaan</font></p>
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<p><font face="monospace">----</font></p>
<p><font face="monospace">Bastiaan Wakkie</font></p>
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