<HTML><BODY><div><div>Dear Nobby,</div><div> </div><div>Probably, this larvae with anal papillae is a species from genus <em>Mesaxymyia</em> (Axymyiidae). </div><div> </div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Valery</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;">Вторник, 22 июня 2021, 20:41 +10:00 от Nobby Scarlet <nobby.thys@scarlet.be>:<br> <div id=""><div class="js-helper js-readmsg-msg"><div><div id="style_16243584660000110919_BODY"><div class="cl_683786"><div>Hello Francis,</div><div> </div><div>In attachment some more pictures but i have a hard time taking good pictures...</div><div> </div><div>Maybe these help and off course i understand if further determination is not possible by means of pictures.</div><div> </div><div>I was surprised by the extruded anal gills and did not see this in any picture of hoverfly larvae and learned a lot thanks to the reply of members of this list!</div><div> </div><div>Thank you !</div><div>Nobby</div><div> </div><div>------ Origineel bericht ------</div><div>Van: "Francis Gilbert" <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aFrancis.Gilbert@nottingham.ac.uk">Francis.Gilbert@nottingham.ac.uk</a>></div><div>Aan: "Nobby Scarlet" <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anobby.thys@scarlet.be">nobby.thys@scarlet.be</a>>; "hoverfly discussion list" <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asyrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>></div><div>Verzonden: 22-6-2021 09:36:56</div><div>Onderwerp: RE: [Syrphidae] larva</div><div> </div><div style="tab-interval:36.0pt" id="x2374b746565648b_mr_css_attr"><blockquote type="cite" class="cite2_mr_css_attr" cite="AS8PR06MB8214C5BFF7B2C99AD05054B7BE099@as8pr06mb8214.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com"><div class="WordSection1_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">hi Nobby</span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The larva seems to<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>be an eristaline but we need a picture of the whole larva, really. The "smaller kind of tubes" are the extruded anal "gills" that are usually held within the rectum, and are almost certainly involved in active ionic exchanges. If we could see them all, together with any lappets at the end of the body (base of the 'tail') and the anterior spiracles clearly (they are there but very out of focus) then we might stand a chance of identifying it.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best wishes</span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Francis</span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><div class="mail-quote-collapse"><div><div style="border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt; border:none; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> <a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asyrphidae%2dbounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asyrphidae%2dbounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nobby Scarlet<br><b>Sent:</b> 21 June 2021 19:27<br><b>To:</b> hoverfly discussion list <<a href="//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asyrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Syrphidae] larva</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"> </p><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:2.25pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre>Hello,</pre></blockquote><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'">I found this larva in a running water in Limburg.</span></p></div><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'">I have never seen a larve with a respiratory tube and different smallers kind of tubes near the base...</span></p></div><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Segoe UI',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></p></div><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'">Does anyone recognize the species of genus ?</span></p></div><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Segoe UI',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></p></div><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'">Greetings,</span></p></div><div id="xaa6811651eae453_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Courier New';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'">Nobby</span><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"> </p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:2.25pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre> </pre></blockquote></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2_mr_css_attr"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Segoe UI',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></p><table style="mso-cellspacing:1.5pt;border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D3D4DE .75pt;mso-yfti-tbllook:1184" class="MsoNormalTable_mr_css_attr" cellpadding="0" border="1"><tbody><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes"><td width="58" style="width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:13.5pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-family:'Segoe UI',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'"><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none;text-underline:none"><img width="46" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif" id="_x0000_i1025_mr_css_attr" height="29" border="0"></span></a></span></p></td><td width="473" style="width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:12.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><p style="line-height:13.5pt" class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';color:#41424E">Virusvrij. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"> <span style="color:#4453EA">www.avast.com</span></a> </span></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal_mr_css_attr"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></p></div></div></div><pre>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
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