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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>The species is not include in the last french maps StN volume, i
assume i didn't know that the species is considered a valid, but i
didn't find the publication about the synonymy, i continue to
looking for it <br>
</p>
<p>But it would be great to include the species in a next issue o
this maps. The discoverie of Aat have been done in the "Planete
revisitée" programm of the french natural history museum ? I'm
interested to know ithe results of your investigatin on his
specimen <img style="width: 3ex; height: 3ex; min-width: 20px;
min-height: 20px; display: inline-block; margin: 0 .15em .2ex;
line-height: normal; vertical-align: middle" class="emojione"
alt="🙂"
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<p>Lukasz do you ave more information about this data from a Polish
collection ?</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Cédric<br>
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks
Lukasz,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">This is an interesting picture. The Aat
specimen I have here is totally black. The specimen in the
picture has partly red sternites. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I become more convinced it is a different
species. Besides the colour difference I see obvious
difference in pollinosity on the tergites (very little in C.
piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in ‘fulviventris’).
Better study might reveal other differences, I only have one
female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Wouter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a> <b>Namens </b>Lukasz
Mielczarek<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Bastiaan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bwakkie@syrphidae.com"><bwakkie@syrphidae.com></a><br>
<b>CC:</b> Hoverfly discussion list
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris
(Bigot)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bastian,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can see observation of this
Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I known one old specimen from Corsica
in Polish colection.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lukasz<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 użytkownik
Bastiaan <<a href="mailto:bwakkie@syrphidae.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">bwakkie@syrphidae.com</a>>
napisał:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wouter,<br>
<br>
In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image.<br>
<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
Bastiaan<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, <a
href="mailto:w.v.steenis@casema.nl" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">w.v.steenis@casema.nl</a>
wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of
Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a<br>
> Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy
(1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus<br>
> fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In
Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus<br>
> piger. We cannot find any publication that explains
this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to<br>
> fulviventris at all.<br>
> <br>
> If you have an idea where to look for the formal
synonymy, please let us know.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Wouter van Steenis<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Van: <a
href="mailto:syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
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Namens<br>
> Jeroen van Steenis<br>
> Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43<br>
> Aan: Gerard Pennards <<a
href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> CC: <a
href="mailto:syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
> Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Dear Gerard<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites
or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender<br>
> for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not
know the other one.<br>
> <br>
> I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed
species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold<br>
> of males too.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in
Mutin & Ichige 2018.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jeroen<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards
<<a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>
<mailto:<br>
> <a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>>
>:<br>
> <br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> I have a identification query for you and I hope
someone can help me.<br>
> <br>
> I have added two links, one from a biodiversity
website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian<br>
> Macro photos website.<br>
> <br>
> Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one
picture from Northern Georgia which is called<br>
> Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See
link: <br>
> <a
href="http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata</a><br>
> <br>
> The other one is from a Russian photo website and
was not identified. It is the same species as<br>
> the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange
species. See link: <br>
> <a
href="http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512</a><br>
> <br>
> My idea is that it should be the female of
Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the<br>
> normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be
some differences in pilosity, and other features.<br>
> <br>
> Has someone encountered these before? I have asked
some people who had been in Georgia, but a<br>
> species like this was not seen.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks in advance, greetings,<br>
> <br>
> Gerard<br>
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