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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi Frank,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We probably looked for them more than most and no we haven’t found M. mutabilis in Formica fusca nests before and I think that is also true for our continental colleagues?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If Kurt can genotype specimens easily, I suggest that’s the best way. Unfortunately we don’t do that kind of analysis routinely here at CEH. In case you haven’t seen it and
it is useful I also attach a primer note from my colleague Mike Gardner who developed a set of microsats for M. mutabilis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Mike, did we ever try them on M. myrmicae? I looked at the paper and there is no reference to it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Jordaens Kurt [mailto:kurt.jordaens@africamuseum.be]
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<b>Sent:</b> 21 January 2015 11:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Hoverfly discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Syrphidae] Re: Microdon mutabilis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Frank,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If helpful, I could characterize these using DNA-sequencing (e.g. COI, 16S and 28S). Part of these data are available in GenBank (from Ximo, Gunilla
and others) or can be gathered ourselves. You would then have some indication on how close your ‘probable’ mutabilis would be to the data already available. So, if you wish, you can send me a single leg of a few specimens (each leg in a separate tube) of each
taxon in ethanol to the address below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Van de Meutter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mercredi 21 janvier 2015 12:21<br>
<b>To:</b> Hoverfly discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Syrphidae] Microdon mutabilis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dear all</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">a specific question to European entomologists. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">As in many mainland European countries, in Belgium we currently do have both Microdon myrmicae </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">in boggy areas (pupae and larvae have been found), and a much larger sibling species living on hot dry calcereous grasslands that would categorize as</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> "probable" M. mutabilis. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">However, M. mutabilis has been described in the UK living with the ant Formica lemanii that does not occur at these sites. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">A sibling ant species Formica fusca does occur on the chalk grasslands and we suspect it to be the host of the large "M mutabilis" that fly here, but we have been unable to find Microdon larvae in these nests, as yet. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Can anyone comment on how they deal with this in their own country, and if anyone has found the M mutabilis larvae/puparia yet in mainland europe together with F fusca?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">best regards</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Frank</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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