<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:8px"><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;" class="">For an experienced field entomologist
the 'jizz' of hoverflies and bumblebees are very different ! Yes,
Criorhina species are wonderful bumblebee mimics. And I caught a
Pararctophila drinking water from a small rill in Kashmir, like Martin writes.
Never any Cheilosia seen doing that (common on flowers) but that genus is
diverse on our Himalayas and poorly researched. Good luck, remember
Syrphinae will be more frequent at high altitudes than Eristalines, very few or
no Microdontinae ! If you need IDs I would be glad to help. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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<br class="" style="">Postal Mailbox: P.O. Box 221, K.C. Park Post Office, Dharwar 580 008, INDIA. Registered mail to: "Bell Bungalow," Kumareswar Colony 1st Cross, off Haliyal Road, Saptapur, Dharwar 580 001 (INDIA).</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 8px;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> Martin Hauser <phycus@gmail.com><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Hoverfly discussion list <syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk> <br class="" style="">
<b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 November 2014 9:56 PM<br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> [Syrphidae] Re: Syrphidae Digest, Vol 98, Issue 2<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><div id="yiv9451153722" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style=""><div class="" style="font-family:times new roman, serif;font-size:small;">Good luck with your trip! Two observations:<br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="font-family:times new roman, serif;font-size:small;">1. catch every bumblebee you see, it is very often a Syrphid, I encountered some species which fooled me!<br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: 'times new roman', serif; font-size: 13px;">2. Often not much on flowers, but Cheilosia will sit down on the
ground and drink water, when there is a bit running water on the path... Never saw that behavior anywhere else, but in Nepal, it was the best way to catch Cheilosia. <br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="font-family:times new roman, serif;font-size:small;">Cheers<br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="font-family:times new roman, serif;font-size:small;">Martin<br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" id="yiv9451153722yqtfd38417" style=""><div class="" style="">On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Malin Thyselius <span dir="ltr" class="" style=""><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:malin.thyselius@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:malin.thyselius@gmail.com" class="" style="">malin.thyselius@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote class=""
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Hi, does anyone know what hoverfly species to expect in the Himalayas<br clear="none" class="" style="">
(India) at about 4000 m above sea level?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Not at 4000m that is mighty high, though I had Pararctophila (oberthueri?),<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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You might find a species of Lycastris, something I have always wanted to see, with its outlandishly long proboscis !<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Not at 4000m that is mighty high, though I had Pararctophila (oberthueri?), Eristalis cerealis, E.tenax, Syrphus ribessi and a Sphaerophoria from the hills around Srinigar, and if the butterflies are anything to go by, stuff gets blown higher than it breeds. Let us know what you find (and any photos),<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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Hi, does anyone know what hoverfly species to expect in the Himalayas (India) at about 4000 m above sea level?<br clear="none" class="" style="">
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