From bwakkie at syrphidae.com Tue Mar 5 10:54:00 2024 From: bwakkie at syrphidae.com (Bastiaan Wakkie) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:54:00 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Suppress Philhelius in order to keep using Xanthogramma Message-ID: Dear all, Has someone (or is interested in) created an IUCN case to suppress Philhelius Stephens, 1841:201 in favour of Xanthogramma Schiner, 1860:215 ? Evenhuis 2018, created a new synonym for Xanthogramma based on his research on Daniel William Coquillett's work but mentions while creating the synonym that suppression may be warranted in case the synonym would be a threat to stability. In Dipterists Digest 2018 there is a personal comment of Martin Speight that "replacing the well-established generic name Xanthogramma by Philhelius Stephens serves no useful scientific purpose and simply introduces confusion" The confusion has arrived as GBIF which is using Systema Dipterorum as source, and any website using GBIF data are taking over the synonym. Time for action? I am willing to file the case but may need some help in formulating it correctly. Cheers, Bastiaan sources: Evenhuis, N. L. (2018). Nomenclatural studies toward a world list of Diptera genus-group names. Part VI: Daniel William Coquillett. Zootaxa, 4381(1), 1-95. EDITOR (2018). Corrections and changes to the Diptera Checklist (39). Dipterists Digest, series 2: 25 (1): 79?84. -- ---- Bastiaan Wakkie https://www.syrphidae.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.van.steenis at xmsnet.nl Tue Mar 5 11:41:54 2024 From: j.van.steenis at xmsnet.nl (Jeroen van Steenis) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:41:54 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Suppress Philhelius in order to keep using Xanthogramma In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bastiaan You address several problems. Systema Dipterorum is not a scientific resource in the sense that it is an official publication organ and not peer-reviewed. The status of names on this website has no value for science. The names are not always officially published and should not be used by GBIF or anyone else if there is no publication stating the information on SD is correct. The other thing is that "a useful scientific purpose" is arguable as there are several aspects involved like nomenclature, stability, phylogeny etc. The last problem is that, when a name has not been in use for over 100 years it can be disregarded and thus not used. In the case of Philhelius the name was reintroduced by Evenhuis in 2018 with good arguments that it concerns Xanthogramma. This makes it very hard, if even possible to get Philhelius suppressed. It is best if you write to Neal or any other member of the ICZN to ask if filing this case could be successful or not. Good luck. Best wishes, Jeroen Op di 5 mrt 2024 om 11:54 schreef Bastiaan Wakkie : > Dear all, > > > Has someone (or is interested in) created an IUCN case to suppress > Philhelius Stephens, 1841:201 in favour of Xanthogramma Schiner, 1860:215 ? > > > Evenhuis 2018, created a new synonym for Xanthogramma based on his > research on Daniel William Coquillett's work but mentions while creating > the synonym that suppression may be warranted in case the synonym would be > a threat to stability. > > In Dipterists Digest 2018 there is a personal comment of Martin Speight > that "replacing the well-established generic name Xanthogramma by > Philhelius Stephens serves no useful scientific purpose and simply > introduces confusion" > > > The confusion has arrived as GBIF which is using Systema Dipterorum as > source, and any website using GBIF data are taking over the synonym. > > > Time for action? > > I am willing to file the case but may need some help in formulating it > correctly. > > > Cheers, > > Bastiaan > > > sources: > Evenhuis, N. L. (2018). Nomenclatural studies toward a world list of > Diptera genus-group names. Part VI: Daniel William Coquillett. Zootaxa, > 4381(1), 1-95. > > EDITOR (2018). Corrections and changes to the Diptera Checklist (39). > Dipterists Digest, series 2: 25 (1): 79?84. > > -- > ---- > Bastiaan Wakkiehttps://www.syrphidae.com > > _______________________________________________ > Syrphidae mailing list > Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > https://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerard_pennards at hotmail.com Tue Mar 5 13:37:27 2024 From: gerard_pennards at hotmail.com (Gerard Pennards) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 13:37:27 +0000 Subject: [Syrphidae] Suppress Philhelius in order to keep using Xanthogramma In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, Ximo, Andre van Eck and me already had a discussion about it. This is what Ximo said: None of us like Philhelius, but you can trust me when I say there is no better option. To keep Xanthogramma, someone has to send a proposal to the Commission, and wait 2-4 years until the Commission takes a decision. I have talked with 2 Commissioners and both think that the proposal to keep Xanthogramma will not be accepted because there is no reason (inestability needs to be proven based on criteria that Xanthogramma does not have). Moreover, we afe trying to avoid another episode like the one in the 90s with Chrysotoxum arcuatum and festivum. Accepting the fact that Philhelius is the valid senior synonym will avoid the confusion of which name to use in the period from the proposal until the decision is published; 2-4 years where one can use either name creating much more confusion and inestability. Keep using Xanthogramma thinking that the problem will be solved in the future is an illusion, and the problem willbecome bigger. Kind regards, Gerard ________________________________ Van: Syrphidae namens Jeroen van Steenis Verzonden: dinsdag 5 maart 2024 12:41 Aan: bwakkie at syrphidae.com CC: hoverfly discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [Syrphidae] Suppress Philhelius in order to keep using Xanthogramma Dear Bastiaan You address several problems. Systema Dipterorum is not a scientific resource in the sense that it is an official publication organ and not peer-reviewed. The status of names on this website has no value for science. The names are not always officially published and should not be used by GBIF or anyone else if there is no publication stating the information on SD is correct. The other thing is that "a useful scientific purpose" is arguable as there are several aspects involved like nomenclature, stability, phylogeny etc. The last problem is that, when a name has not been in use for over 100 years it can be disregarded and thus not used. In the case of Philhelius the name was reintroduced by Evenhuis in 2018 with good arguments that it concerns Xanthogramma. This makes it very hard, if even possible to get Philhelius suppressed. It is best if you write to Neal or any other member of the ICZN to ask if filing this case could be successful or not. Good luck. Best wishes, Jeroen Op di 5 mrt 2024 om 11:54 schreef Bastiaan Wakkie >: Dear all, Has someone (or is interested in) created an IUCN case to suppress Philhelius Stephens, 1841:201 in favour of Xanthogramma Schiner, 1860:215 ? Evenhuis 2018, created a new synonym for Xanthogramma based on his research on Daniel William Coquillett's work but mentions while creating the synonym that suppression may be warranted in case the synonym would be a threat to stability. In Dipterists Digest 2018 there is a personal comment of Martin Speight that "replacing the well-established generic name Xanthogramma by Philhelius Stephens serves no useful scientific purpose and simply introduces confusion" The confusion has arrived as GBIF which is using Systema Dipterorum as source, and any website using GBIF data are taking over the synonym. Time for action? I am willing to file the case but may need some help in formulating it correctly. Cheers, Bastiaan sources: Evenhuis, N. L. (2018). Nomenclatural studies toward a world list of Diptera genus-group names. Part VI: Daniel William Coquillett. Zootaxa, 4381(1), 1-95. EDITOR (2018). Corrections and changes to the Diptera Checklist (39). Dipterists Digest, series 2: 25 (1): 79?84. -- ---- Bastiaan Wakkie https://www.syrphidae.com _______________________________________________ Syrphidae mailing list Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk https://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jose.orengo4 at upr.edu Wed Mar 13 12:30:38 2024 From: jose.orengo4 at upr.edu (Jose J Orengo Green) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:30:38 +0000 Subject: [Syrphidae] Literature request Message-ID: Hello everybody! I hope that all of you are doing well. I'm writing to see if anyone can share the PDF of the following publications: * Bhatia, M.L. & Shafi, M. (1932). Life-history of some Indian Syrphidae * Ninomiya, E. (1959). Further notes on the immature stages of aphydophagous syrphids flies of Japan * Tawfik, M.F.S., Azab, A.K. & Awadallah, K.T. (1974). 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Kuznetzov (1997). > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Tamara > _______________________________________________ > Syrphidae mailing list > Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > https://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamaratot90 at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 10:00:51 2024 From: tamaratot90 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGFtYXJhIFTDs3Ro?=) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:00:51 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Literature request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, We wrote to the Head of the Library of the Zoological Institute to ask for the pdf version of the book. We got the following answer. Once we get it we will share it with you. Dear Dr. Toth, This issue is borrowed by a reader, we will contact him and make a pdf copy for you as soon as he returns the journal. Best regards, Eugenia Labina Head of the Library of the Zoological Institute (subsidiary of the Library of RAS) Best Tamara On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 at 14:41, ximo mengual sanchis wrote: > Hi Francis, > > you only sent the cover pages. Do you have the whole article? > > Thanks! > Ximo > > El lun, 18 mar 2024 a las 13:05, Francis Gilbert (< > Francis.Gilbert at nottingham.ac.uk>) escribi?: > >> Here it is >> >> >> >> Francis >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Syrphidae *On Behalf >> Of *Tamara T?th >> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2024 11:58 AM >> *To:* hoverfly discussion list >> *Subject:* [Syrphidae] Literature request >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> I hope somebody can share with us pdf of: >> >> >> >> Hover flies of Latvia (Diptera, Syrphidae) by S. Kuznetzov (1997). >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot in advance. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Tamara >> _______________________________________________ >> Syrphidae mailing list >> Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> https://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamaratot90 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 14:09:47 2024 From: tamaratot90 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGFtYXJhIFTDs3Ro?=) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:09:47 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Literature request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately not the whole book, for now, only part of it ....... On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 at 14:41, ximo mengual sanchis wrote: > Hi Francis, > > you only sent the cover pages. Do you have the whole article? > > Thanks! > Ximo > > El lun, 18 mar 2024 a las 13:05, Francis Gilbert (< > Francis.Gilbert at nottingham.ac.uk>) escribi?: > >> Here it is >> >> >> >> Francis >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Syrphidae *On Behalf >> Of *Tamara T?th >> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2024 11:58 AM >> *To:* hoverfly discussion list >> *Subject:* [Syrphidae] Literature request >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> I hope somebody can share with us pdf of: >> >> >> >> Hover flies of Latvia (Diptera, Syrphidae) by S. Kuznetzov (1997). >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot in advance. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Tamara >> _______________________________________________ >> Syrphidae mailing list >> Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> https://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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