[Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)
Cedric Vanappelghem
cedvana at free.fr
Thu Feb 6 06:45:41 GMT 2020
Hi all,
The species is not include in the last french maps StN volume, i assume
i didn't know that the species is considered a valid, but i didn't find
the publication about the synonymy, i continue to looking for it
But it would be great to include the species in a next issue o this
maps. The discoverie of Aat have been done in the "Planete revisitée"
programm of the french natural history museum ? I'm interested to know
ithe results of your investigatin on his specimen 🙂
Lukasz do you ave more information about this data from a Polish
collection ?
Best wishes,
Cédric
Le 03/02/2020 à 22:37, w.v.steenis at casema.nl a écrit :
>
> Thanks Lukasz,
>
> This is an interesting picture. The Aat specimen I have here is
> totally black. The specimen in the picture has partly red sternites.
>
> I become more convinced it is a different species. Besides the colour
> difference I see obvious difference in pollinosity on the tergites
> (very little in C. piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in
> ‘fulviventris’). Better study might reveal other differences, I only
> have one female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Wouter
>
> *Van:* syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> *Namens *Lukasz Mielczarek
> *Verzonden:* maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32
> *Aan:* Bastiaan <bwakkie at syrphidae.com>
> *CC:* Hoverfly discussion list <syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Onderwerp:* [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)
>
> Hi Bastian,
>
> You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info.
>
> https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044
>
> I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lukasz
>
> pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 użytkownik Bastiaan <bwakkie at syrphidae.com
> <mailto:bwakkie at syrphidae.com>> napisał:
>
> Hi Wouter,
>
> In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image.
>
>
> regards,
> Bastiaan
>
>
> On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl
> <mailto:w.v.steenis at casema.nl> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> >
> > Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in
> Corsica (France). It is a
> > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you
> easily run to Chalcosyrphus
> > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this
> is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus
> > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this
> synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to
> > fulviventris at all.
> >
> > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy,
> please let us know.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >
> > Wouter van Steenis
> >
> >
> >
> > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> <syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> Namens
> > Jeroen van Steenis
> > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43
> > Aan: Gerard Pennards <gerard_pennards at hotmail.com
> <mailto:gerard_pennards at hotmail.com>>
> > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Gerard
> >
> >
> >
> > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or
> zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender
> > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the
> other one.
> >
> > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from
> Serbia. would be nice to get hold
> > of males too.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige
> 2018.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeroen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards
> <gerard_pennards at hotmail.com <mailto:gerard_pennards at hotmail.com>
> <mailto:
> > gerard_pennards at hotmail.com <mailto:gerard_pennards at hotmail.com>> >:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can
> help me.
> >
> > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in
> Georgia, and the other from a Russian
> > Macro photos website.
> >
> > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from
> Northern Georgia which is called
> > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link:
> >
> http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata
> >
> > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not
> identified. It is the same species as
> > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link:
> > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512
> >
> > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus
> chrysites, but it doesn't look like the
> > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some
> differences in pilosity, and other features.
> >
> > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people
> who had been in Georgia, but a
> > species like this was not seen.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, greetings,
> >
> > Gerard
> >
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