From w.v.steenis at casema.nl Sun Feb 2 18:54:09 2020 From: w.v.steenis at casema.nl (w.v.steenis at casema.nl) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 19:54:09 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Message-ID: <005601d5d9fa$2742fa90$75c8efb0$@casema.nl> Dear all, Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to fulviventris at all. If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know. Best wishes, Wouter van Steenis Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Namens Jeroen van Steenis Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 Aan: Gerard Pennards CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query Dear Gerard They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold of males too. There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. Best wishes, Jeroen Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards >: Dear all, I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian Macro photos website. Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features. Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a species like this was not seen. Thanks in advance, greetings, Gerard This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to > fulviventris at all. > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Namens > Jeroen van Steenis > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > Aan: Gerard Pennards > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold > of males too. > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards gerard_pennards at hotmail.com> >: > > Dear all, > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian > Macro photos website. > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features. > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a > species like this was not seen. > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > Gerard > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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I've been looking a long time for these. regards, Bastiaan On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 21:03 +0000, Francis Gilbert wrote: > hi everyone > > With Martin Hauser's help, I have extracted all the syrphid papers from the volumes of Hana Abu, > the journal of the Japanese Dipterists Club. You can download the zipfile from: > www.nottingham.ac.uk/~plzfg/misc/Hana_Abu_syrphid_papers.zip > > It is about 560 MB ! > > Nearly all of them are OCR'd and so should cut & paste directly into Google Translate. Mostly they > use the Japanese common names for the species, which are hilarious in translation, so beware: > Google Translate is nowhere near as good as for French, German or Russian, for instance. They use > a lot of pictures, and there are some really beautiful species, including several unknown ones. > > Most the information is taxonomic or faunistic, and so should be reasonably easy to make out. > There are some really great papers there. The only one I have not extracted is the multipart > Japanese translation of Mutin & Barkalov's key to Far Eastern species, which we already have in > Russian - much easier to translate using Google! > > Very best wishes > > Francis > > > Professor Francis Gilbert > Room B132 Life Sciences, University Park > University of Nottingham, NG7 2RD, UK > Tel 0115 951 3215 > webpage: www.nottingham.ac.uk/~plzfg/ > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored > where permitted by law. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Syrphidae mailing list > Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae From santos.rojo at ua.es Mon Feb 3 05:37:28 2020 From: santos.rojo at ua.es (Santos ROJO) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 06:37:28 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: papers from Hana Abu In-Reply-To: <30c9a6f98270b63ae1487a2d21a6e4adbafa1930.camel@syrphidae.com> References: <30c9a6f98270b63ae1487a2d21a6e4adbafa1930.camel@syrphidae.com> Message-ID: Yes, I agree with Bastian. A lot of ?hidden? info now organized and available. Thanks a lot Francis. Superb! All the best Santos Rojo Department of Environmental Sciences and Natural Resources University of Alicante ==== El El lun, 3 feb 2020 a las 0:15, Bastiaan escribi?: > This is great Francis! I've been looking a long time for these. > > regards, > Bastiaan > > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 21:03 +0000, Francis Gilbert wrote: > > hi everyone > > > > With Martin Hauser's help, I have extracted all the syrphid papers from > the volumes of Hana Abu, > > the journal of the Japanese Dipterists Club. You can download the > zipfile from: > > www.nottingham.ac.uk/~plzfg/misc/Hana_Abu_syrphid_papers.zip< > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~plzfg/misc/Hana_Abu_syrphid_papers.zip> > > > > It is about 560 MB ! > > > > Nearly all of them are OCR'd and so should cut & paste directly into > Google Translate. Mostly they > > use the Japanese common names for the species, which are hilarious in > translation, so beware: > > Google Translate is nowhere near as good as for French, German or > Russian, for instance. They use > > a lot of pictures, and there are some really beautiful species, > including several unknown ones. > > > > Most the information is taxonomic or faunistic, and so should be > reasonably easy to make out. > > There are some really great papers there. The only one I have not > extracted is the multipart > > Japanese translation of Mutin & Barkalov's key to Far Eastern species, > which we already have in > > Russian - much easier to translate using Google! > > > > Very best wishes > > > > Francis > > > > > > Professor Francis Gilbert > > Room B132 Life Sciences, University Park > > University of Nottingham, NG7 2RD, UK > > Tel 0115 951 3215 > > webpage: www.nottingham.ac.uk/~plzfg/< > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~plzfg/> > > > > > > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > > and may contain confidential information. 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It is a > > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run > to Chalcosyrphus > > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a > synonym of Chalcosyrphus > > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa > (1978) does not refer to > > fulviventris at all. > > > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us > know. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk < > syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> Namens > > Jeroen van Steenis > > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > > Aan: Gerard Pennards > > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The > metafemur is too slender > > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. > > > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. > would be nice to get hold > > of males too. > > > > > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards < > gerard_pennards at hotmail.com > gerard_pennards at hotmail.com> >: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. > > > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and > the other from a Russian > > Macro photos website. > > > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern > Georgia which is called > > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It > is the same species as > > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but > it doesn't look like the > > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in > pilosity, and other features. > > > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had > been in Georgia, but a > > species like this was not seen. > > > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > > > Gerard > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > > attachment. > > > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Stefan Am 03.02.2020 15:08 schrieb "Ante Vuji?" : > Dear Stefan, > > Also festiva, fasciata and nocticula (on Iberian Peninsula) can be with > four spots (mostly females, males rarely). > Pipiza quadrifasciata have differential characters at head and abdomen > clear to be identified (see in the keys). Pipiza festiva have yellow tarsi. > > Best regards, > > Ante > > > > > > On 3.2.2020 14:04, Stefan Pruner wrote: > > Dear fellow syrphidologists! > > Can out of all (European) Pipiza species only Pipiza quadrimaculata have > four spots, or can others also have four spots on the abdomen? > > Thank you > > Stefan > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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We prepare a paper that include a world review of this subject that it is just available with a full-text view-only version using this link => https://rdcu.be/b02KH. The pdf will be downloadable if personal or institutional subscription to journal exist, but the authors will be happy to send it to all people that contact with us :-) Also will be welcomed any info about the subject if do not appear cited in the paper All the best *(*) title was inspired on Dolley (1930) "An entomological sheep in wolf's clothing" based on resemblance of adults with the honey bee... but finally larvae could be considered wolves in some cases...* Santos Rojo Department of Environmental Sciences and Natural Resources University of Alicante (Spain) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Wouter Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Namens Lukasz Mielczarek Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32 Aan: Bastiaan CC: Hoverfly discussion list Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Hi Bastian, You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info. https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7 &thread_id=63044 I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection. Regards, Lukasz pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan > napisa?: Hi Wouter, In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image. regards, Bastiaan On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl wrote: > Dear all, > > > > Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to > fulviventris at all. > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Namens > Jeroen van Steenis > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > Aan: Gerard Pennards > > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold > of males too. > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards gerard_pennards at hotmail.com > >: > > Dear all, > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian > Macro photos website. > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features. > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a > species like this was not seen. > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > Gerard > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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From: Frank Van de Meutter Subject: Re: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 08:04:52 +0000 Size: 15399 URL: From gerard_pennards at hotmail.com Wed Feb 5 15:58:57 2020 From: gerard_pennards at hotmail.com (Gerard Pennards) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:58:57 +0000 Subject: [Syrphidae] Chalcosyrphus fulviventris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, I think the reason Hippa doesn't mention it in his 1978 publication is due to the fact he synonymized it already in his work of 1968! See attachment, it was called Xylota (Xylotomima) fulviventris, but he refers to it as Xylotomima fulviventris (Bigot). He is convinced the animal from Corse is just a dark Chalcosyrphus piger. 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FW: Auto-discard notification (Francis Gilbert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 22:37:43 +0100 From: To: '?ukasz Mielczarek' , "'Bastiaan'" Cc: 'Hoverfly discussion list' Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Message-ID: <002401d5dada$2b667bc0$82337340$@casema.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks Lukasz, This is an interesting picture. The Aat specimen I have here is totally black. The specimen in the picture has partly red sternites. I become more convinced it is a different species. Besides the colour difference I see obvious difference in pollinosity on the tergites (very little in C. piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in ?fulviventris?). Better study might reveal other differences, I only have one female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger. Best wishes, Wouter Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Namens Lukasz Mielczarek Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32 Aan: Bastiaan CC: Hoverfly discussion list Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Hi Bastian, You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info. https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7 &thread_id=63044 I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection. Regards, Lukasz pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan > napisa?: Hi Wouter, In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image. regards, Bastiaan On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl wrote: > Dear all, > > > > Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to > fulviventris at all. > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Namens > Jeroen van Steenis > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > Aan: Gerard Pennards > > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold > of males too. > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards gerard_pennards at hotmail.com > >: > > Dear all, > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian > Macro photos website. > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features. > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a > species like this was not seen. > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > Gerard > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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I'm interested to know ithe results of your investigatin on his specimen ? Lukasz do you ave more information about this data from a Polish collection ? Best wishes, C?dric Le 03/02/2020 ? 22:37, w.v.steenis at casema.nl a ?crit?: > > Thanks Lukasz, > > This is an interesting picture. The Aat specimen I have here is > totally black. The specimen in the picture has partly red sternites. > > I become more convinced it is a different species. Besides the colour > difference I see obvious difference in pollinosity on the tergites > (very little in C. piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in > ?fulviventris?). Better study might reveal other differences, I only > have one female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger. > > Best wishes, > > Wouter > > *Van:* syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > *Namens *Lukasz Mielczarek > *Verzonden:* maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32 > *Aan:* Bastiaan > *CC:* Hoverfly discussion list > *Onderwerp:* [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) > > Hi Bastian, > > You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info. > > https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044 > > I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection. > > Regards, > > Lukasz > > pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan > napisa?: > > Hi Wouter, > > In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image. > > > regards, > Bastiaan > > > On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl > wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in > Corsica (France). It is a > > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you > easily run to Chalcosyrphus > > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this > is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus > > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this > synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to > > fulviventris at all. > > > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, > please let us know. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > Namens > > Jeroen van Steenis > > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > > Aan: Gerard Pennards > > > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > > > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or > zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender > > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the > other one. > > > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from > Serbia. would be nice to get hold > > of males too. > > > > > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige > 2018. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards > > > gerard_pennards at hotmail.com > >: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can > help me. > > > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in > Georgia, and the other from a Russian > > Macro photos website. > > > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from > Northern Georgia which is called > > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > > > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not > identified. It is the same species as > > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus > chrysites, but it doesn't look like the > > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some > differences in pilosity, and other features. > > > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people > who had been in Georgia, but a > > species like this was not seen. > > > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > > > Gerard > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the > addressee > > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > > attachment. > > > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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If a subgenus is declared do we use this form so all species of the genus are still on an equal level? Sorry for my ignorance but I am dealing with the relation of names in my database for the upcoming new syrphidae.com and I want to do this in the currently accepted way. regards, Bastiaan From xmengual at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 09:22:50 2020 From: xmengual at gmail.com (ximo mengual sanchis) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Why repeat a genus name as a subgenus? In-Reply-To: <3e69c3e42897d49f634900f0fb533063@syrphidae.com> References: <3e69c3e42897d49f634900f0fb533063@syrphidae.com> Message-ID: Hi Bastiaan, This is merely a convention. If you have a subgenus name that differs from the genus name, automatically you have a subgenus sensu stricto. If you divide an orange into two pieces of different size, there will be a smaller piece and (by default) a larger one. Thus, as soon as you include some species in the subgenus X, you create automatically the subgenus sensu stricto with the rest of species. The only way to formally write this subgenus sensu stricto is writing two times the same name, i.e., Sphaerophoria (Sphaerophoria) = Sphaerophoria sensu stricto. Cheers, Ximo El vie., 7 feb. 2020 22:24, Bastiaan escribi?: > Hi all, > > Can someone explain to me why we use the following form for subgenus as > if the subgenus is published the same way as published subgenus names. > (If that makes sence?) > > Brachyopa (Brachyopa) ... > Brachyopa (Hammerschmidtia) ... > > Lejops (Lejops) ... > Lejops (Anasimyia) ... > > Are in the above examples Lejops and Brachyopa a valid subgenus of its > own parent? > If a subgenus is declared do we use this form so all species of the > genus are still on an equal level? > > Sorry for my ignorance but I am dealing with the relation of names in my > database for the upcoming new syrphidae.com and I want to do this in the > currently accepted way. > > regards, > > Bastiaan > > > _______________________________________________ > Syrphidae mailing list > Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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For your website I would be cautious to use supposed name changes from the nomeclator and rather use the "old" nomenclature unless you have recent literature to build on. For your examples see the filed guide by Jeff Skevington et al 2019 in which Lejops in the wide sense is again split into its former genera Anasimyia, Arctosyrphus, Lejops, Polydontomyia and even Eurimyia (for lineata). Also Brachyopa and Hammerschmidtia are treated as separate genera. Best wishes, Jeroen Op za 8 feb. 2020 om 10:23 schreef ximo mengual sanchis : > Hi Bastiaan, > > This is merely a convention. If you have a subgenus name that differs from > the genus name, automatically you have a subgenus sensu stricto. > > If you divide an orange into two pieces of different size, there will be a > smaller piece and (by default) a larger one. > > Thus, as soon as you include some species in the subgenus X, you create > automatically the subgenus sensu stricto with the rest of species. The only > way to formally write this subgenus sensu stricto is writing two times the > same name, i.e., Sphaerophoria (Sphaerophoria) = Sphaerophoria sensu > stricto. > > Cheers, > > Ximo > > El vie., 7 feb. 2020 22:24, Bastiaan escribi?: > >> Hi all, >> >> Can someone explain to me why we use the following form for subgenus as >> if the subgenus is published the same way as published subgenus names. >> (If that makes sence?) >> >> Brachyopa (Brachyopa) ... >> Brachyopa (Hammerschmidtia) ... >> >> Lejops (Lejops) ... >> Lejops (Anasimyia) ... >> >> Are in the above examples Lejops and Brachyopa a valid subgenus of its >> own parent? >> If a subgenus is declared do we use this form so all species of the >> genus are still on an equal level? >> >> Sorry for my ignorance but I am dealing with the relation of names in my >> database for the upcoming new syrphidae.com and I want to do this in the >> currently accepted way. >> >> regards, >> >> Bastiaan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Syrphidae mailing list >> Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk >> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae >> >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. 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StN gives one publication: Maza?nek, L., La?ska, P., Bic?i?k, V.& Novotny?, R. (2001) Descriptions with key to the third larval stage and puparia of the genus Epistrophe s.str. (Diptera: Syrphidae). Acta Universitatis Carolinae, Biologica, 45: 115-128 Does anyone have it? Maybe bits of information can be also found in Goeldlin de Tiefenau, P. (1974) Contribution a l'etude systematique et ecologique des Syrphidae (Dipt.) de la Suisse occidentale. Bull.Soc.ent. Suisse, 47: 151 - 252. Thank you for your help! Stefan This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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BioMongol Foundation Tilburg, the Netherlands Stefan Pruner schreef op 18-02-2020 10:58: > Dear fellow-Syrphidologists! > > I search for information on the larva of Epistrophe flava, especially on their feeding habits on gall aphids. > StN gives one publication: > > Maza?nek, L., La?ska, P., Bic?i?k, V.& Novotny?, R. (2001) Descriptions with key to the third larval stage and puparia of the genus Epistrophe s.str. (Diptera: Syrphidae). Acta Universitatis Carolinae, Biologica, 45: 115-128 > > Does anyone have it? > > Maybe bits of information can be also found in > > Goeldlin de Tiefenau, P. (1974) Contribution a l'etude systematique et ecologique des Syrphidae (Dipt.) de la Suisse occidentale. Bull.Soc.ent.Suisse, 47: 151 - 252. > > Thank you for your help! > > Stefan > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. 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(2001) Descriptions with > key to the third larval stage and puparia of the genus Epistrophe s.str. > (Diptera: Syrphidae). Acta Universitatis Carolinae, Biologica, 45: > 115-128 > Does anyone have it? > > Maybe bits of information can be also found in > Goeldlin de Tiefenau, P. (1974) Contribution a l'etude systematique et > ecologique des Syrphidae (Dipt.) de la Suisse occidentale. > Bull.Soc.ent.Suisse, 47: 151 - 252. > > Thank you for your help! > > Stefan > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Monograf?a de los syrphidos de las Islas Canarias. > Memorias de la Real Academia de Ciencias y Artes de Barcelona (tercera > ?poca), 19(1): 1-148, 4 pl. > > I'd be very happy if someone can share those with me as well! > Kind regards, > Gerard > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored > where permitted by law. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Syrphidae mailing list > Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Acta Universitatis Carolinae, Biologica, 45: 115-128 > > Does anyone have it? > > Maybe bits of information can be also found in > > Goeldlin de Tiefenau, P. (1974) Contribution a l'etude systematique et ecologique des Syrphidae (Dipt.) de la Suisse occidentale. Bull.Soc.ent.Suisse, 47: 151 - 252. > > Thank you for your help! > > Stefan > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored > where permitted by law. > > _______________________________________________ > Syrphidae mailing list > Syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Goeldin1974_Suisse occidentale.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 18861456 bytes Desc: not available URL: From w.v.steenis at casema.nl Sat Feb 29 11:15:03 2020 From: w.v.steenis at casema.nl (w.v.steenis at casema.nl) Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:15:03 +0100 Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) In-Reply-To: References: <005601d5d9fa$2742fa90$75c8efb0$@casema.nl> <93a1b96fdb3f55aa446961ce83266dfa9ef5ba71.camel@syrphidae.com> Message-ID: <002201d5eef1$7ddbbf20$79933d60$@casema.nl> Hi all, Could any of you share a pdf of: Br?descu, V. 1993. Orthonevra shusteri sp.n. et deux esp?ces signal?es pour la premi?re fois dans la faune de Roumanie (Diptera : Syrphidae). Trav. Mus. Hist. nat. ? Grigore Antipa ? 22, 7-10. Thanks a lot ! Wouter Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Namens Lukasz Mielczarek Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32 Aan: Bastiaan CC: Hoverfly discussion list Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Hi Bastian, You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info. https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7 &thread_id=63044 I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection. Regards, Lukasz pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan > napisa?: Hi Wouter, In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image. regards, Bastiaan On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl wrote: > Dear all, > > > > Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to > fulviventris at all. > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Namens > Jeroen van Steenis > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > Aan: Gerard Pennards > > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold > of males too. > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards gerard_pennards at hotmail.com > >: > > Dear all, > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian > Macro photos website. > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features. > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a > species like this was not seen. > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > Gerard > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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Greetings, Gerard ________________________________ Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk namens syrphidae-request at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Verzonden: zaterdag 29 februari 2020 13:00 Aan: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Onderwerp: Syrphidae Digest, Vol 158, Issue 17 Send Syrphidae mailing list submissions to syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/syrphidae or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to syrphidae-request at lists.nottingham.ac.uk You can reach the person managing the list at syrphidae-owner at lists.nottingham.ac.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Syrphidae digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) (w.v.steenis at casema.nl) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:15:03 +0100 From: To: "'Hoverfly discussion list'" Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Message-ID: <002201d5eef1$7ddbbf20$79933d60$@casema.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, Could any of you share a pdf of: Br?descu, V. 1993. Orthonevra shusteri sp.n. et deux esp?ces signal?es pour la premi?re fois dans la faune de Roumanie (Diptera : Syrphidae). Trav. Mus. Hist. nat. ? Grigore Antipa ? 22, 7-10. Thanks a lot ! Wouter Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk Namens Lukasz Mielczarek Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32 Aan: Bastiaan CC: Hoverfly discussion list Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) Hi Bastian, You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info. https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7 &thread_id=63044 I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection. Regards, Lukasz pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan > napisa?: Hi Wouter, In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image. regards, Bastiaan On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl wrote: > Dear all, > > > > Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a > Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus > fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus > piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to > fulviventris at all. > > If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Wouter van Steenis > > > > Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Namens > Jeroen van Steenis > Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43 > Aan: Gerard Pennards > > CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk > Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query > > > > Dear Gerard > > > > They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender > for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one. > > I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold > of males too. > > > > There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards gerard_pennards at hotmail.com > >: > > Dear all, > > I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me. > > I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian > Macro photos website. > > Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called > Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: > http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata > > The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as > the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: > http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512 > > My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the > normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features. > > Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a > species like this was not seen. > > Thanks in advance, greetings, > > Gerard > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and > attachment. > > Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not > necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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