[Syrphidae] FW: Microdon mutabilis

Francis Gilbert Francis.Gilbert at nottingham.ac.uk
Tue Feb 24 08:18:29 GMT 2015


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Dr Francis Gilbert
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From: Mike Gardner [mailto:michael.gardner at flinders.edu.au]
Sent: 24 February 2015 06:41
To: Schonrogge, Karsten; Hoverfly discussion list
Cc: Simona Bonelli; Witek, Magda
Subject: RE: Microdon mutabilis

Hi all,
Sorry for the lateness of my reply. To answer your question Karsten, my student tried the microsatellite primers on M. myrmicae and they worked for the following loci: MiMut12, MiMut14, MiMut27, MiMut28, MiMut24, MiMut16, Mmut9,CEH52.
Not sure if that is helpful?

Thanks,
Mike

Dr Mike Gardner
Senior Lecturer in Biodiversity
Molecular Ecologist
Flinders University/South Australian Museum
Ph 08 8201 2315 or 8313 5594
michael.gardner at flinders.edu.au<mailto:michael.gardner at flinders.edu.au>




From: Schonrogge, Karsten [mailto:ksc at ceh.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2015 12:22 AM
To: Hoverfly discussion list
Cc: Mike Gardner; Simona Bonelli; Witek, Magda
Subject: RE: Microdon mutabilis

Hi Frank,

We probably looked for them more than most and no we haven't found M. mutabilis in Formica fusca nests before and I think that is also true for our continental colleagues?
If Kurt can genotype specimens easily, I suggest that's the best way. Unfortunately we don't do that kind of analysis routinely here at CEH. In case you haven't seen it and it is useful I also attach a primer note from my colleague Mike Gardner who developed a set of microsats for M. mutabilis.

Mike, did we ever try them on M. myrmicae? I looked at the paper and there is no reference to it?

Cheers

Karsten

From: Jordaens Kurt [mailto:kurt.jordaens at africamuseum.be]
Sent: 21 January 2015 11:32
To: Hoverfly discussion list
Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Microdon mutabilis

Dear Frank,

If helpful, I could characterize these using DNA-sequencing (e.g. COI, 16S and 28S). Part of these data are available in GenBank (from Ximo, Gunilla and others) or can be gathered ourselves. You would then have some indication on how close your 'probable' mutabilis would be to the data already available. So, if you wish, you can send me a single leg of a few specimens (each leg in a separate tube) of each taxon in ethanol to the address below.

Cheers,
kurt

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Royal Museum for Central Africa
Entomology Section
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From: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Frank Van de Meutter
Sent: mercredi 21 janvier 2015 12:21
To: Hoverfly discussion list
Subject: [Syrphidae] Microdon mutabilis


Dear all

a specific question to European entomologists.

As in many mainland European countries, in Belgium we currently do have both Microdon myrmicae

in boggy areas (pupae and larvae have been found), and a much larger sibling species living on hot dry calcereous grasslands that would categorize as

 "probable" M. mutabilis.

However, M. mutabilis has been described in the UK living with the ant Formica lemanii that does not occur at these sites.

A sibling ant species Formica fusca does occur on the chalk grasslands and we suspect it to be the host of the large "M mutabilis" that fly here, but we have been unable to find Microdon larvae in these nests, as yet.

Can anyone comment on how they deal with this in their own country, and if anyone has found the M mutabilis larvae/puparia yet in mainland europe together with F fusca?



best regards



Frank









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