[Syrphidae] Re: Syrphidae Digest, Vol 105, Issue 7

Kumar Ghorpade rhinobaccha at yahoo.co.in
Sat Aug 1 10:19:23 BST 2015 

First, Aijaz,that beauty is a Stratiomyidae as Ximo correctly stated and NOT a syrphid !  Basic Dipterology.Second, besides justshooting off photographs for free IDs, some idea of its locality would at leastbe an aid to any ID you (or others) require.Third, Martin Hauserappears most correct with Odontomyia Meigen,of which there are about a dozen so far named and described species from oursubcontinent (subregion) of which the one and only Enrico Brunetti  had included 10 species in his FAUNA volume(1920) with a key to separate these species. Of these there is one O.kashmirensis Brunetti  which could bewhat you have sent if it was taken in your Kashmir where you are located ?  Guessing ! Finally, these ‘Soldier Flies’ are absolutelybeautiful creatures distinctively marked and with an array of morphologicalvariations.  Rudolf Rozkosny may be ableto help.  Your mail made me check my collectionof four schmitt boxes full of pinned and labelled Indian Stratiomyidae  and there I found some specimens with IDlabels.  Very long ago Dr Erwin Lindnerhad  graciously sent me some Europeanflies with labels in order to familiarize me with some genera that are common toEurope and India, when I had asked for such help.  Norm Woodley also had sent IDs of somespecimens I had sent him some 30 years ago after I returned completing mySmithsonian postdoc tenure in 1983, but many of them were apparently new, bothspecies and genera !   Then Maurice James had kindly helped me withmany of his reprints of papers on Oriental Strats he had posted and hisOriental Diptera Catalog section on Stratiomyidae is worth consulting if youare looking for knowledge, besides just a binomen. Especially note the followingcautionary words :“Considerable workneeds to be done on the Oriental fauna before the identities of certain speciesand the relationships between certain genera can be determined.”  Q.E.D. !   Pity that in this one life I may just managea revision of our Syrphidae with help of some current researchers.  So the elegant Stratiomyidae will have towait  for another passionate researcherto emerge here (or elsewhere) because I do not believe in these dreams ofre-birth and such other ‘filmy’ Hindoo beliefs. Hope this helps Aijaz and good luck with more fly collecting in that singularlyPalaearctic portion of our dominantly Oriental subcontinent where I had enjoyedsome great younger days on your houseboats and netting flies in the fantasticMoghul Gardens there. Dr Kumar Ghorpade, Scientist Emeritus, Post-Graduate Teacher & Research Associate in Systematic Entomology, University of Agricultural Sciences, Krishi Nagar, Dharwar 580 005, Karnataka, INDIA. 
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Thank you all the wonderful people for being so nice!! Aijaz A WachkooDepartment of Zoology,
University of Kashmir, Srinagar 


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  1. Re: Identification request (Ruud van der Weele)
  2. Re: Identification request (ximo mengual sanchis)
  3. Re: Identification request (Martin Hauser)
  4. Re: Identification request (ruud van der weele)


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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:17:24 +0200
From: Ruud van der Weele <rvanderweele at gmail.com>
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Looks very Oplodontha-ish to me. No idea what species may occur in India

Ruud van der Weele
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> Op 28 jul. 2015 om 17:07 heeft aijaz wachkoo <aijaz_shoorida at yahoo.co.in> het volgende geschreven:
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From: ximo mengual sanchis <xmengual at gmail.com>
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It is not a syrphid, but a Stratiomyidae.

Ximo

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2015-07-28 17:07 GMT+02:00 aijaz wachkoo <aijaz_shoorida at yahoo.co.in>:

> Please if you could identify the syrphid attached.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:49:10 -0700
From: Martin Hauser <phycus at gmail.com>
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Odontomyia cf. angulata, female.... could be a different species, not sure
about the fauna in India. But the discal cell is too big for Oplodontha,
although this is what I first thought too...
Cheers,
Martin

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:07 AM, aijaz wachkoo <aijaz_shoorida at yahoo.co.in>
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> Please if you could identify the syrphid attached.
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38?29?18.66?N 121?32?40.61?W

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:50:46 +0200
From: ruud van der weele <rvanderweele at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification request
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;-)

2015-07-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Martin Hauser <phycus at gmail.com>:

> Odontomyia cf. angulata, female.... could be a different species, not sure
> about the fauna in India. But the discal cell is too big for Oplodontha,
> although this is what I first thought too...
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:07 AM, aijaz wachkoo <aijaz_shoorida at yahoo.co.in
> > wrote:
>
>> Please if you could identify the syrphid attached.
>> Regards,
>> Aijaz A Wachkoo
>> Department of Zoology,
>> University of Kashmir, Srinagar
>>
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